| I think it is because even now, the audience is dominated by males. The authors try to appeal to the audience. The audience (males) want a female character which fits their fantasies, which creates tropes and cliches. And also because the authors are mostly males and they don't know females as much as they know males. So they can create more fleshed out male characters than female characters. |
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| the major is basically a man with tits, you don't see that many well developed girls because there are a few anime with main girls compared to male ones. And to be fair, shoujo romance is the same quality as shonen romance, as in the majority is bad. I don't think it's a big problem |
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| I can't help but agree that a lot of anime has a great deal of ridiculous tropes, especially for female characters, but also there are definitely cases of good female characters. Your list of male characters is understandably filled mostly characters from shonen and seinen manga, which is targetted towards men, so often has the tropes that you mentioned for reasons that someone else already mentioned (essentially target audience). However, if you watch shoujo or josei, you will find many more fleshed out female characters. |
| If you want good female characters just read the Umineko visual novel. The story is filled with complex women. |
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Catalano said: the major is basically a man with tits, you don't see that many well developed girls because there are a few anime with main girls compared to male ones. And to be fair, shoujo romance is the same quality as shonen romance, as in the majority is bad. I don't think it's a big problem Yeah, the fact that a large number of shows are written in a way that, put politely, doesn't put much emphasis on side characters does not help with this at all. But as you said, that goes for pretty much eveyrthing, and so isn't really a massive problem. |
| It is because the anime audience is dominated by males. So the writers give more importance to the male characters on the other hand the female characters are just used for fan service because there will be more males who like fanservice. |
DeepRiver said: Furl said: I can't help but agree that a lot of anime has a great deal of ridiculous tropes, especially for female characters, but also there are definitely cases of good female characters. Your list of male characters is understandably filled mostly characters from shonen and seinen manga, which is targetted towards men, so often has the tropes that you mentioned for reasons that someone else already mentioned (essentially target audience). However, if you watch shoujo or josei, you will find many more fleshed out female characters. Problem is, even in Shojo and Josei, with maybe some exceptions here and there, female characters tend to play with a particular formula/tropes. Josei is the better tho. In the majority yes, but you could easily say the same about shonen and male characters. At least in shoujo manga, while stereotypes are often frustrating, they are more just a sign of subpar writing, and not as demeaning as they can often be in shonen anime. |
DeepRiver said: Furl said: In the majority yes, but you could easily say the same about shonen and male characters. At least in shoujo manga, while stereotypes are often frustrating, they are more just a sign of subpar writing, and not as demeaning as they can often be in shonen anime. But even the best written shojo females still might pale by a long shot in terms of quantity and quality to the male stand outs from Seinen and Shonen. Thats mostly the point here. I would disagree, because I think at that point it's just a thing of personal preference, and also because I believe that there are some very well written shoujos, most of which have female mcs. Possibly this is my viewpoint as someone who enjoys shoujos though, as I am aware that not everyone is a fan, and some people prefer shounens. |
| Just because a character falls into an archetype or have big boobs doesn't mean they're bad or uninteresting. At least it's a change from the usual "all male mcs are bland and stupid" topics. |
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| I think @WutIsDis got it down. Even the Black Lagoon ladies are designed to appeal to fantasies. |
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| Because too much weird simps watching anime who cant look at female characters acting normal. The authors try to encourage them to watch a given anime through female characters who are submissive, too cute, fulfill their fantasies and rely on the male protagonist in everything they do. |
| i knew as soon as i saw the title of this thread you were going to be someone who's barely seen any anime THEY DON'T |
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| The "bias" is that anime is catered more towards a male audience, and therefore it's more acceptable to have male characters being cool and badass, and female characters existing to be cute/sexy or desirable to said audience. As a guy, I can't really disagree with that logic, and if a female character is the bad ass one, I would still prefer her to be sexy. I think cliches are a separate issue, they're often lazily used in place of good writing, and this applies to both sexes. |
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| Since most anime is watched, and funded by males; female characters tend to have more gimmicks since the characters are made to cater to the males for the most part. Also, males have a broader scope of what they find attractive than that of females so this allows more variety to be shown for them. |
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| Easy. Because most anime main protagonist are male. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| This is how "I'm not like other girls" Trope is created. I'd take walking boobs over that cancer any day... |
| Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the characters having nothing in association with real human beings' behaviours. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said:  |
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SgtBaitMan said: Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the designed characters that have nothing relating to real human being. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said: He is right. People rather watch idealizations than reality which explains why netorare is so rare in anime/manga outside hentai. Anime as a medium is often an escape of the degeneracy of the real world like with games or other media. |
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SgtBaitMan said: Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the designed character having nothing in association with real human beings. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said: They are exactly the words of that man. anyways he is based asf. |
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rohan121 said: SgtBaitMan said: Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the designed characters that have nothing relating to real human being. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said: He is right. People rather watch idealizations than reality which explains why netorare is so rare in anime/manga outside hentai. Anime as a medium is often an escape of the degeneracy of the real world like with games or other media. Go to r/waifuism. That place is a goldmine for memes. |
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Nubiellee said: Just because a character falls into an archetype or have big boobs doesn't mean they're bad or uninteresting. At least it's a change from the usual "all male mcs are bland and stupid" topics. That’s certainly true, but conventional way for portraying female characters falls into those stereotypes in the narratives. |
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SgtBaitMan said: Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the designed characters having nothing in association with real human beings. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said: I'll be honest. I absolutely hate how people spread this quote around. I know he means the anime culture and not Japanese animation as a concept. It's just such a pretentious thing to say especially considering he made his fame out of anime. I think people in general need to stop stigmatizing anime so much. It's not morally wrong or bad to enjoy it. |
Sonwig said: SgtBaitMan said: Because the industry is filled with otaku that couldn't stand watching others, which results in the designed characters having nothing in association with real human beings. Anyway, they are similar to the words this man said: I'll be honest. I absolutely hate how people spread this quote around. I know he means the anime culture and not Japanese animation as a concept. It's just such a pretentious thing to say especially considering he made his fame out of anime. I think people in general need to stop stigmatizing anime so much. It's not morally wrong or bad to enjoy it. If you are talking about the "Anime was a mistake", that is completely a meme and he never said it. |
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Sonwig said: I'll be honest. I absolutely hate how people spread this quote around. I know he means the anime culture and not Japanese animation as a concept. It's just such a pretentious thing to say especially considering he made his fame out of anime. I think people in general need to stop stigmatizing anime so much. It's not morally wrong or bad to enjoy it. But his characters are at the very least believable, so I don't think there was any pretense. However, I enjoy anime, so that was just an answer to this thread. The picture is rather a meme. |
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WutIsDis said: Sonwig said: I'll be honest. I absolutely hate how people spread this quote around. I know he means the anime culture and not Japanese animation as a concept. It's just such a pretentious thing to say especially considering he made his fame out of anime. I think people in general need to stop stigmatizing anime so much. It's not morally wrong or bad to enjoy it. If you are talking about the "Anime was a mistake", that is completely a meme and he never said it. SgtBaitMan said: Sonwig said: I'll be honest. I absolutely hate how people spread this quote around. I know he means the anime culture and not Japanese animation as a concept. It's just such a pretentious thing to say especially considering he made his fame out of anime. I think people in general need to stop stigmatizing anime so much. It's not morally wrong or bad to enjoy it. But his characters are at the very least believable, so I don't think there was any pretense there. However, I enjoy anime, so that was just an answer to this thread. The picture is rather a meme. Oh shit really? I have literally spent hours writing replies to this image on other websites and I have believed it for years and raged at it for years. Thanks for pointing that out. That's equally embarrassing and amusing. |
Sonwig said: Oh shit really? I have literally spent hours writing replies to this image on other websites and I have believed it for years and raged at it for years. Thanks for pointing that out. That's equally embarrassing and amusing. I mean he still said that he is disappointed at the current state of anime industry. To summarize, he said that the people making anime aren't observing the real world and making their characters realistic and instead, they are only satisfying their fantasies. That was mistranslated as "Anime was a mistake" and thus became a meme. |
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| Because anime is an escape and even females like tropey female characters like most of them as shoujo has good quality tropes as well. |
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Mantron said: It is because the anime audience is dominated by males. So the writers give more importance to the male characters on the other hand the female characters are just used for fan service because there will be more males who like fanservice. Well, there are female characters who are well written and have shown development like, Black clover for instance. (I'm aware there are many other female characters that are well written outside of battle shounen but when I only take battle shounen into consideration, Black clover clearly stands out at least to me.) |
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| Not exactly a groundbreaking answer, but the majority of popular anime are shounen - i.e. directed towards teenage boys and the tropes they enjoy. So pretty much lots of intense action and fan service. |
| not sure really, maybe there are more Male mangakas/LN writers in the industry compared to Female? I’m not sure if any one has taken the time to find out the statistics on something like that |
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| Your version of "good" characterization is not the only way people define 'good' characters. Maybe watch more anime and be less close-minded? The primary reason why shows like Monogatari series/K-On! sell is because of characters, and the intended audience is very much content with them. And wanting every anime to cater to your taste simply come off as pompous. |
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| This is less of an anime issue, and more just a story telling issue. Anime is fucking awful at this, but I hesitate to say I particularly enjoy how Hollywood and TV shows write most of their female characters. Even if one medium is better than the other in this regard, they all still suffer from this issue, I fucking hate Black Widow. It is something every medium tries to correct, but there's only so much you can do when women have been written in really shitty and sexist ways for actual millennia, it'll take more than a handful of decades to correct that shit. |
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