| I wasn't able to read all of that. But Japan in general pervs over women as it is... Like the constant snapping up idol's skirts for example, definitely things you couldn't do in my Country. So it might just be a weird sort-of carry over but I don't really know. |
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| https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210715-hosoda-japanese-anime-has-problem-with-women-and-girls Japantimes is aids written by retards. Don't post that. So that is what he complains about? Not that girls in anime get molested and have giant tits and are half naked? Lmfao |
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| I see he's trying to win a certain segment of anime watchers, it's not yamakan-level of idiocy yet but he can reach there in time |
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lycan_ said: Well you see it's because the person complaining has no idea what he's talking about, but he sounds virtuous doing so. skysurf said: The successful director that recently premiered his latest movie "Belle" in the Cannes film festival, is having a strong opinion regarding the way young women are portrayed in anime. "You only have to watch Japanese animation to see how young women are underestimated and not taken seriously in Japanese society", he says. Source: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210715-hosoda-japanese-anime-has-problem-with-women-and-girls What are your thoughts? I mean princess mononoke is the complete opposite of what he describes though? Same with Omoide no Marnie... there's plenty of Ghibli movies that aren't like Spirited Away (in this movie it kinda makes sense since the main character is a kid lol). What definitely we don't have is any sort of movie with a female character similar to what Wind Rises is from Studio Ghibli though, but he also generalizes anime when there's a decent amount of women as engineers in anime, Winry in Fmab, Mei Hatsume in my hero academia, etc. |
| So many anime directors have a problem with each other, and yet not a single one has challenged another director to a highly publicized boxing match. Japan is so behind. |
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| Shoujo and Josei doesn't exist, apparently. |
deg said: well that new link i read it now but he did not elaborate on what he means lol its vague as fuck and he focuses more on making the internet good and not evil like past movies shows "It really annoys me to see how young women are often seen in Japanese animation -- treated as sacred -- which has nothing to do with the reality of who they are" I don't consider that vague at all. Although it'd be nice to know what actually led him to that conclusion. |
| I read this article a few days ago. Since I have not seen any Ghibli films other than Spirited away, I can only say that he watches mainstream anime. He talks as if black lagoon and FMAB doesn't exist. Just because some decade old Ghibli film does that doesn't mean the entirety of Japanese anime. |
| What are my thoughts on 'Japanese anime has a problem with women and girls' -Mamoru Hosoda? Ok boomer!! Watch more series and find the exceptions for your complaints!! You're judging a whole because of a portion....A trashy one, that is!! |
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DoruCatana said: What are my thoughts on 'Japanese anime has a problem with women and girls' -Mamoru Hosoda? Ok boomer!! Watch more series and find the exceptions for your complaints!! You're judging a whole because of a portion....A trashy one, that is!! Is this the "It gets better after 100 episodes" argument except applied to all of anime? |
| Anime aimed at males will have women catered to what the audience would want. Waifus sell, and stuff like Genshin Impact and Fate Go really show that. I do not think all anime has a "problem" portraying women though as shoujo exists. Hot guys are pretty much the same thing in many anime so I would not even say this treatment is exclusive to females. |
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| If I wanted realism I'd watch documentaries, not cartoons. |
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GreenPlatinum said: DoruCatana said: What are my thoughts on 'Japanese anime has a problem with women and girls' -Mamoru Hosoda? Ok boomer!! Watch more series and find the exceptions for your complaints!! You're judging a whole because of a portion....A trashy one, that is!! Is this the "It gets better after 100 episodes" argument except applied to all of anime? Ha? I find that argument really stupid personally...Same if it's applied to all of anime...While there is some truth to his statements, I think it's up to everyone to avoid that part of the industry that makes what he's saying to be true to some extent even if it might seem to represent the majority. In other words...I think people should just not consume trashy series that are not having well written female characters... This is what I do and this is why I can't say that he is right entirely... since there are a lot of exceptions for his complaints, even though those series might be in a lower number if you count all of anime. And his point of view seems to come from a very general observation of the aspects concerned in his opinions....It's like judging the entire cinema industry just based on Marvel and blockbuster movies... |
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| when you started writing isekai then proceed to think you're the main character so you want literally every women in the world to want to suck your dick. AHEM.... well except MC dont know that because.... Japanese authors cant actually write THAT because.... uhhhh.... idk? well.... ehhh..... I mean.... I'm not a japanese so I couldnt really wrap my brains around it but well... it's alright.... in my rough calculation (of course with no fucking real calculation), HS setting/prologue/scenario is more prevelant and I think that's the sweet spot when you know you're down so much ass slapping by society and reality that you think deluding yourself by being surrounded with multiple women will solve your problems (well ig to some authors/well known mangakas it did). But you've (and I) had been ingrained in this medium that, it is the meta so ehhh, honestly; I dont mind it but it comes to the point that I will ignore certain series if it's harem. Like that's just the reality of it. |
| I cringed hard when I saw who made this thread. Why can’t people let others make their art? There’s always someone trying to trampoline themselves to a higher moral standing by putting others down. At this point only makes you look like an asshole, especially when it’s as unwarranted as in this case. |
L_YNXJul 18, 2021 1:40 PM
Catalano said: I see he's trying to win a certain segment of anime watchers, it's not yamakan-level of idiocy yet but he can reach there in time Hosoda needs to be careful to not go completely woke as there are terrible consequences for being woke. |
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L_YNX said: I cringed hard when i saw who made this thread. Why can’t people let others make their art? There’s always someone trying to trampoline themselves to a higher moral standing by putting others down. At this point only makes you look like an asshole, especially when it’s as unwarranted as in this case. This ☝️ comment is based!! Listen to this comment you ******* ****!! |
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| I mean yeah, he's completely right, though I'm not sure about his digs against Ghibli. There's many other things that anime handles much worse though in terms of its portrayal of women as objects. Hoppy said: Catalano said: I see he's trying to win a certain segment of anime watchers, it's not yamakan-level of idiocy yet but he can reach there in time Hosoda needs to be careful to not go completely woke as there are terrible consequences for being woke. Yeah, terrible consequences like treating women like human beings? Sounds horrible. (sarcasm) |
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Xaeveax said: I mean yeah, he's completely right, though I'm not sure about his digs against Ghibli. There's many other things that anime handles much worse though in terms of its portrayal of women as objects. Hoppy said: Hosoda needs to be careful to not go completely woke as there are terrible consequences for being woke. Yeah, terrible consequences like treating women like human beings? Sounds horrible. (sarcasm) No, like going broke and his career being destroyed. Getting woke is dangerous and has destroyed reputations and even the careers of many, look at comics, there are people who are blacklisted for being too woke and crazy for the companies they worked for or the case with games journalists, who really want to work for say CNN, but end up not getting a chance to, due to being too woke and crazy. |
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| Iunno. I haven't thought about it from that perspective and I won't pretend I have (or care to, honestly, I'm not going to read the article since I just want to springboard this into talking about something annoying within this community) but I do kind of want to point out there's a massive problem going in the opposite direction within the fanbase - people being completely reductive to characters because of the combination that they have a vagina and the type of work they're in. They're in an H&E work or a battle shounen or mecha something like that. They *have* to be vapid and one dimensional in one of the most blanket and general ways possible. It's a rule of thumb. If you try to explain elements of their character or personality that makes them interesting or fun to you, then you're being absurd. That point is not up for discussion or contention. Guess what I'm trying to say is that there's plenty of works where I would outright say they are written as, y'know, people with their own merits. Even in genres people want to treat as universally incapable of doing that. Hell, in H&E anime/manga I find characters like that plentiful, and waifu culture and getting attached to characters within is a massive part of the appeal of shows like that, so you'd figure they'd try to make their characters interesting and distinct to one up each other and get people going to their works as opposed to the competing works. But nah, it's literally all the same how do you even distinguish it lmao. I don't think the leftists on this site are especially guilty of this, or the anti-SJWs, for that matter. Most of the people who get super reductive like this come off as being part of the non-political crowd and mostly hang around AD, instead of going and fighting political battles elsewhere. It's still a tendency this community has that I find super annoying, though, because it feels like such a cheap and insubstantial way to undercut a type of work they personally dislike as well as characters that I do like. So yeah. Iunno. I see this guy going off and wonder if it's just more of that - being reductive towards female characters in anime/manga for superficial reasons. I know that's a massive fucking problem on this board, and it doesn't matter if he's at Cannes because you can make it there and still be a myopic idiot. I just can't take that idea very seriously at this point, at least not when the net is being cast so wide. The issue this fandom has with female characters and giving them any validation has, ironically, made me jaded towards ideas like this director fella's, which seems to be positing itself as pro-fem, at least in how the OP presented in. To me, it just sounds like he's saying shit like this just to say it and get attention to himself as being different and above it all. He probably has more of a reason to take that angle considering his position relative to the average MAL user, too, since distinction is the best part of marketing and, well, he's saying it at a fucking film festival he's participating in. |
ManabanJul 18, 2021 11:13 AM
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| They're cartoon characters FFS. If you want to make films about the complexities of real human beings then go into actual film-making. Imagine attacking Ghibli because they write fairy tales instead of urban drama. |
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| I do not necesseraly agree with him but I can understand where he is coming from. At least it's way more interesting that the usual rant which is very tiring at this point. |
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| Japan's problems with women goes far beyond how they are represented in anime. If you want to go and make a statement about women's condition in Japan why not go all out and actually talk about real life problems such as sexual assault and abuse of power, patriarchy, gropers, and so on and so forth. But OK, the problem with girls in Japan is just that they're underestimated and anime shows this. Sure thing. This reminds me of that japanese rapper that stated not so long ago that anime was spreading pedophilia or something to that extent, when the sus elements pertaining to this in anime are just an extension of a cultural mindset. But sure, anime. |
| Soy gitana, canasteraaa. |
| This thread went about as well as expected. |
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Catalano said: I see he's trying to win a certain segment of anime watchers, it's not yamakan-level of idiocy yet but he can reach there in time I mean, if you compare anything to Yamakan...xD. |
| Soy gitana, canasteraaa. |
| Oh man... the virtue signaling and moral posturing going on is quite suffocating and annoying. Funny how the people that do that almost never create or start anything of their own, they simply want to control what other people do/say/create so that it fits into THEIR sheltered parameters. They're FICTIONAL characters in FICTIONAL stories on FICTIONAL worlds, no matter how closely any of those things might resemble reality. This is why a vast majority of people who watch anime, watch anime. It doesn't conform to the sensitivities of the vocal minority. No, Japanese anime doesn't have a problem with women and girls. Someone else has a problem and is simply trying to place blame on anime because it's an easy target. |
 You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
| daily reminder that the governor of tokyo is a woman, since 2016, and not from LDP, but sure, japan has a problem with girls as stated by a talentless anime director |
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| Good thing Hosoda never made a movie with the shameless heterosexual-male-pandering fantasy of a hot senpai girl inviting you to her Big Fancy House to pretend you're her fiancé for reasons, then you proceed to meet her extended family, then you save her family from danger and maybe get to date/marry her for real. |
Xaeveax said: Yes. Drawings of human beings that don't exist. In real life.I mean yeah, he's completely right, though I'm not sure about his digs against Ghibli. There's many other things that anime handles much worse though in terms of its portrayal of women as objects. Hoppy said: Hosoda needs to be careful to not go completely woke as there are terrible consequences for being woke. Yeah, terrible consequences like treating women like human beings? Sounds horrible. (sarcasm) You are the same people i see who go on twitter calling anime racist for not having enough diversity and sexist for... well you know. |
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| I've been thinking this for a while but if anime/manga goes full woke in the near future will there be any other media where people can be free from the repetitive agenda from the west or will we watch the same repetitive thing over and over again like apes? |
Love48 said: KingCanute said: I've been thinking this for a while but if anime/manga goes full woke in the near future will there be any other media where people can be free from the repetitive agenda from the west or will we watch the same repetitive thing over and over again like apes? I think it is time for you to start reading books and manga. yeah, I've said anime AND manga, and I already read books, but as with videogames, recent books are taking the same path and are obviously following the same agenda. |
KingCanute said: yeah, I've said anime AND manga, and I already read books, but as with videogames, recent books are taking the same path and are obviously following the same agenda. Oh mah gawd! It's almost like peoples' writings are influenced by the era they live in or something! |
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Zelkiiro said: Oh mah gawd! It's almost like peoples' writings are influenced by the era they live in or something! Yeah, I know that, and it's not necessarily a good thing, you are not making a point there. |
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