Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? Episode 17 Discussion

May 8, 2021 8:57 AM

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Siegfried10 said:
As an advice though, dont skip Shun's part after they arrive in the elf village.

As a WN reader, I didn't hate Shun before then-I just thought "so there are people like this."
(Dangerous Spoiler - novel context)

May 8, 2021 9:01 AM

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Kumoko knows how to get a head in this world She has the demon lord scared. The vestiges certainly are gloomy

May 8, 2021 9:35 AM

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good thing that she has the immortality skill ey? and they should be so grateful that the old guy is guiding them cause otherwise they probably wouldn't come out of the labyrinth alive

May 8, 2021 10:13 AM

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kyled00m said:

Siegfried10 said:
As an advice though, dont skip Shun's part after they arrive in the elf village.

As a WN reader, I didn't hate Shun before then-I just thought "so there are people like this."
(Dangerous Spoiler - novel context)

He reminds me to the three heroes of Tate no Yuusha, like a mix of Ren and Itsuki. He pretty much acts as if he was the main character of an isekai LN, making every bad decision posible to him and never bothers considering his surroundings (like he never bother trying to deal with Hugo until it was too late). I also find his motivation as a hero pretty shitty. He does what he does simply to imitate Julius who he worships, Julius on the other hand was a true hero.

I dont hate Shun, but i dont like him either. He has many flaws and ends up endangering his friends because of his MC complex. And well, he isnt the most charismatic person either, so many people find him dull or boring.

May 8, 2021 11:06 AM

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I really tgink the en media res telling of this show is fucking amazing. Like...I dont think there would have been a better way to tell this story.

May 8, 2021 1:04 PM

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Bruh that One Punch on that Dragon was hilarious. Hopefully this is building up to something cause I could tell something big is gonna happen next episode.

May 8, 2021 1:21 PM

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Xystus said:
What's keeping Fei from transporting the entire team on air instead of venturing inside the highly dangerous dungeon??? She looks fucking capable of doing that. What's stopping them from flying through the air??

Last episode Basgath (the labyrinth guide) said that the ocean is Water Dragons' territory and that they'll sink any ship and shot down anyting flying inside their territory.
Also, Fei doesn't have enough stamina to fly from one continent to the other.

May 8, 2021 1:53 PM

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Siegfried10 said:

kyled00m said:

As a WN reader, I didn't hate Shun before then-I just thought "so there are people like this."
(Dangerous Spoiler - novel context)

He reminds me to the three heroes of Tate no Yuusha, like a mix of Ren and Itsuki. He pretty much acts as if he was the main character of an isekai LN, making every bad decision posible to him and never bothers considering his surroundings (like he never bother trying to deal with Hugo until it was too late). I also find his motivation as a hero pretty shitty. He does what he does simply to imitate Julius who he worships, Julius on the other hand was a true hero.

I dont hate Shun, but i dont like him either. He has many flaws and ends up endangering his friends because of his MC complex. And well, he isnt the most charismatic person either, so many people find him dull or boring.

What people fail to understand is that Shun is Isekai Protagonist #5235. The enjoyment from the human side comes from world building AND see how a real, ruthless world would react to a generic isekai protagonist, and as you can see, things unravel and go down the drain very quickly.

May 8, 2021 4:06 PM

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Overtorn said:
Another 2 to 3 min episode of "So I'm a Spider, So What?"
Was pretty nice, seeing "body" attack Ariel and Kumoko blowing the megalodon without even looking at it, among other things.

Sigh.. wish we'd get an actual full length episode, instead of the Shitstain's party, but at this point it's just luck of the draw for the episode, which I have already accepted, hence why I see that only 3 mins is what we got this week.

The nightmare's vestiges part was interesting, it made me stop my 16x speed of the AD for another anime/filler part of this episode.

I wonder if Shitstain's party is more enjoyable in the LN, since I've heard that that is the best way to experience this story.
Just to be clear, I hate Shitstain and his entire party (including his brother) and all parts where they are (academy included), but I don't hate the humans. The post-attack scene on the castle, the greatest human sorcerer's episode.. they were great and actually did the whole world building for me while being not only tolerable, but enjoyable.
I will miss the now renowned world building, that everyone who tolerates or enjoys Shitstain's party always mentions... And I am ok with that, because if I forced myself to watch it anymore that I have in the first 6 eps, I'd have dropped the anime/story entirely. The story is unique and great, from what I've heard, the human side is just not handled well (LN supposedly being better) and that's just too bad I guess.

I'll finish the anime and then try LN and/or WN. Hopefully that will save the story for me, that the McProtagonist and his party ruins every anime episode.

Want to know how much the anime has been skipping about the worldbuilding?
This is literally taken from the first page of Shun Chapter 2 (Chapter 1 doesn't count 'cuz that happens before the reincarnation)

See, there’s a skill called Appraisal.
With Appraisal, you can see statuses, but few people possess that skill.
In order to acquire it, just like becoming a judge or an appraiser on Earth, you need a thorough education on how to judge the values of things, powers of observation to figure out the composition of substances, and other such high-level skills. No amateur would be able to manage that.
And even if you could get the Appraisal skill, it’s extremely difficult to raise its level, so very few people have it in the first place.
Really, all it actually takes to acquire Appraisal is paying the right amount of skill points.
But even though that’s technically possible, you can’t get any further once you have it.
Raising the skill level of Appraisal only requires using it.
Every time you use Appraisal, your proficiency rises, and if you reach a certain level of proficiency, the level goes up as well.
However, it’s using the skill that’s the real problem.
On the one hand, it doesn’t require any magical power or energy.
I know what you’re thinking: “Couldn’t you just use it whenever you want, then?” It’s not that simple.
The catch is this: Whenever Appraisal is used, the user gets hit with a headache and a drunken feeling.
The degree seems to vary depending on the individual, but in the worst cases, some people will faint after using it only once, and even more talented users can’t Appraise more than two things at once.
Since each use is so rough, using the skill over and over to increase your proficiency would be incredibly punishing.
As a bonus, the Appraisal skill is worthless until it reaches a very high level.
And so, very few people bother acquiring it.
In fact, there are a handful of families that make a living serving as Appraisers, passing the skill down through generations.
So if you’re wondering how anyone checks their status, the answer is with Appraisal Stones.
An Appraisal Stone is a magic tool made through a special process, which allows the holder to temporarily use the skill.
The level of the skill allowed by one of these stones depends on its quality. The number of stones in the world that grant level 10, like the one belonging to the royal family, can be counted on one hand.

Also, some decisions make more sense in the LN.
Here in the anime it feels weird how Shun decided to use the route that goes right throught the Nightmare territory just because Anna wanted this route.
In the novel

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May 8, 2021 6:57 PM

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AiHikari said:

Siegfried10 said:

He reminds me to the three heroes of Tate no Yuusha, like a mix of Ren and Itsuki. He pretty much acts as if he was the main character of an isekai LN, making every bad decision posible to him and never bothers considering his surroundings (like he never bother trying to deal with Hugo until it was too late). I also find his motivation as a hero pretty shitty. He does what he does simply to imitate Julius who he worships, Julius on the other hand was a true hero.

I dont hate Shun, but i dont like him either. He has many flaws and ends up endangering his friends because of his MC complex. And well, he isnt the most charismatic person either, so many people find him dull or boring.

What people fail to understand is that Shun is Isekai Protagonist #5235. The enjoyment from the human side comes from world building AND see how a real, ruthless world would react to a generic isekai protagonist, and as you can see, things unravel and go down the drain very quickly.

I read the LN and im fully aware of this. I never said i didnt like the human side (i actually found it quite interesting), i said Shun isnt a likable character.

May 8, 2021 7:07 PM

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AiHikari said:

..

What people fail to understand is that Shun is Isekai Protagonist #5235. The enjoyment from the human side comes from world building AND see how a real, ruthless world would react to a generic isekai protagonist, and as you can see, things unravel and go down the drain very quickly.

Shun is the far from a generic isekai protagonist.
He may have the archetype's shell but he lacks everything else that makes up the characters themselves-like a soulless puppet.

Generic isekai protagonists all have personality and desires. They act in ways to meet those desires.

Hajime (Arifureta) and his classmates get stuck in another world. They want to go home and when that option is off the table, they take action to survive in the world. Even when they fail to have combat power or courage, they look into other paths like agriculture (teacher).
After Hajime meets his mishap, he changes his actions based on his personality and desires.
Ichirou (Death March) gets sent to another world. He works hard to live there and build an understanding of his situation.
Arisa was also reincarnated and tried her best to improve her family's situation. She even tried using knowledge to better her country.
Saito (Familiar of Zero) gets stuck as a slave and tries his best to run away-even almost succeeding. When things turn south, he reluctantly acts like a slave and still tries to find a way back.
Youji (Gate) and his group explore the other world for their country-but you can damn be sure he'll try to sneak home for manga conventions any chance he can! When his platoon has the chance to sacrifice refugees or avoid helping the princess, they follow through with their own sense of justice despite the risks.
Haruhiro (Grimgar) and the others get reincarnated into a strange place where they have to risk their lives daily. Their personality and desires dictate their choices and actions-even to the point where Ranta and Haruhiro are like 2 walls that face each other, firm in their opposing stances.
Touya (IAW Smartphone) gets killed by Gods slip up and takes it quite well because of his personality. After reincarnating with unrivaled powers, he works to LIVE in the world.
Ernesti (Knights & Magic) reincarnates into a world of robots and goes all out to fight in one. The bastard couldn't even wait-changing the common sense of the world just so he could pilot a knight as soon as possible.
Kazuma (Konosuba) gets reincarnated with an impossible mission. He avoids trying to complete it but doesn't shy away from battle-even after dying multiple times and getting driven into corners by the demon lord's generals. Even when he's lazy, his perversion knows no bounds-visiting inns just to gets succubus dreams.
and countless examples more- (I had 50 series typed out on a notepad and over 40 I could add to it from a quick glance at my WN list and a googled anime top10 lists.)

Edit:
Any one of the countless characters could act like Shun.
There's even a WN where a parasite-like person gets a parasite skill and a free-gold skill. After parasiting others for a while, he eventually starts fighting with his own body.
There's even a WN where a guy who lives to sleep gets reincarnated as a dungeon monster-cum dungeon master. He could sleep forever but he still puts in effort to secure his own dungeon so he can sleep longer, easier, and more comfortably.

Edit2: Fixed Kazuma's name. I wasn't looking at spelling since I was expecting to type out 50 characters before I stopped myself and didn't reread it. -I blame the dub since I remember hearing it like "I am KAZAMA SATOU-", RIP Dubs.

kyled00mMay 9, 2021 7:40 AM

May 8, 2021 9:23 PM

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RainyShadow said:
WTF was this sh!t?!?
After being so hyped for the biggest fight yet, instead we got... this???

I wonder where did you got the idea that Kumoko was going to fight Ariel now?
Kumoko literally got one-shoted last episode, she obviously has no way to fight Ariel in this moment.

May 9, 2021 12:22 AM

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Tourguide's va so great & calming like the wise old man he is, and beat some sense into Shun (even tho this mc not annoying like the usual).
2 interesting dreams Shun. So it suggesting Spooky maybe Kumoko? Wakaba was first implied as her for long, but sounded nothing like Kumoko.
Decent dragon fight for the studio.
Mc body's insane, at least try talking first? but it just goes chomp on anything including a demonlord lol.

May 9, 2021 12:24 AM

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linkhuesitos said:

I wonder where did you got the idea that Kumoko was going to fight Ariel now?
Kumoko literally got one-shoted last episode, she obviously has no way to fight Ariel in this moment.

Umm, from the OP visuals?

May 9, 2021 12:33 AM

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RainyShadow said:
Umm, from the OP visuals?

The OP doesn't show the battle happening next to the beach.
The anime still have 7 episodes more so the battle can happen later.

May 9, 2021 2:25 PM

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Wtf is the deal with the animation?! This late in the game they decide to use censorship

May 9, 2021 3:20 PM

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Looks like bad outsourcing to me, too :( what a pity

May 9, 2021 11:14 PM

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Blue boi MC is dumb af, just right after Basgath told him not to be reckless he went ahead and start messing with the Vestiges lol absolutely deserved that punch, he can kill himself if he wants to but don't involve others. If I'm in Basgath place, he'd get more than a punch ffs

Then that bitchy elf teach had to chime in with her annoying voice "tHaT's GoInG tOO fAr" like bish please, do me a favor and shut that trap. Can't wait for her to get her azz handed to her soon

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May 11, 2021 9:45 AM

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Snaita said:
Wtf is the deal with the animation?! This late in the game they decide to use censorship

It's supposed to be comedic censorship. Also since she's *technically* dismembered...disbodied? it counts as gore and had to be censored.

May 11, 2021 4:34 PM

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LOL @ Kumo's floating censored head in the water... guess her immortality works.

___ ___ ___

Hmm... so basing on all the hints...

The vestiges are basically Kumo's kids?

So... question now is... who's the Dad? LUL

Cause unless Kumo is some sort of asexual thing, or she mated with someone or something in the 15 years adventure until the current time. (human side time)

Tho the other hint is at the end when Kumo is thinking about her parallel minds...

So it could be that her "kids" are literally her clones when she still looks like a Vistage and somehow Kumo now has hundreds of parallel minds? (tho cloned minds I guess, since they're all in sync and kinda low IQ)

So... we going KUMO CLONE WAR?

___ ___ ___

I mean... hay, the MC human dude already has a light saber like skill, LOOOOOL

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May 11, 2021 7:14 PM

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poisonedbite said:
It's supposed to be comedic censorship. Also since she's *technically* dismembered...disbodied? it counts as gore and had to be censored.

I would need to re-read this part but in the novel (and manga) Kumoko has made the "the corpse ended so brutaly mangled that it wouldn't be posible to show it on TV without a censoring box" joke many times.
My guess is that the studio is adapting that joke.

May 12, 2021 11:22 PM

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amlg said:
LOL @ Kumo's floating censored head in the water... guess her immortality works.

___ ___ ___

Hmm... so basing on all the hints...

The vestiges are basically Kumo's kids?

So... question now is... who's the Dad? LUL

It's

it'll be coming up pretty soon, actually.

May 13, 2021 9:03 AM

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Seeing Kumoko's floating head was the best thing I've seen all day. And the censorship part was hilarious for me. XD

I was expecting a fight between Kumoko and the Demon Lord. Guess we'll have to wait.

May 14, 2021 3:40 PM

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Everyone is so hard on Shun, but he is just a regular guy thrown into hero role. Very few of us would really be great at that, he simply is not fit for that but tries anyway, since that is what's forced on him. Remember, D is not the benevolent god that helps everyone, rather she is mischievous and likes to put persons on bad spots. Someone reincarnating as dragon? Someone as opposite sex? Someone as... spider (well.... that... should... you'll see)? I don't blame Shun for failing to fill the shoes of hero, that really was not his life or choice.

May 15, 2021 3:03 AM

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Love it. Keep it coming😻😻

May 20, 2021 9:46 PM

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She became the mythical beast now!! :D

I really enjoy every moment of Kumo-chan. I don't want to comment every episode because all I just say is "I love Kumo-chan and I'm annoyed with human characters lol"

also, I kinda like the animation in this episode hahaha it's CGI but it's good.

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Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

May 31, 2021 9:42 AM

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Ngl they made me interested more into Human side of the story...
Also i think the CGI was improved a little bit, the Dragon looks better than before.

They censored Kumoko Head Floating on the Ocean was hilarious. LMAO 😂

Jun 19, 2021 12:04 AM

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Those nightmare vestiges really were genuinely terrifying. Although I can't blame Shun for being curious after they mentioned reincarnations.

Jun 23, 2021 10:37 PM

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when those spideys started talking i thought they said "hiro" instead of "hero". either way, pretty interesting that they evolved speech. sounds like the hero group is going to run into spider girl soon? idk. not sure that's possible. i was starting to think maybe spider girl had become one of the demon lord's underlings (forced servitude)

that old guy who was their guide, he sure did age a lot in 15 years. went from looking like a teenager to looking like a 50-something year old. yikes

did the body mind get inside the demon lord's head? is it going to eat her mind now? lol wut just happened. i guess we'll find out. the different timelines keep tangling up my theories

i enjoyed spider girl floating head. better than watching all those lame fights she's been having

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Jun 23, 2021 11:30 PM

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Ariel is voiced by Ash Ketshum ;)

Jul 4, 2021 3:58 AM

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Ok that was creepy and cool. So the MC has made these vestiges that remain in the labyrinth. The voices were cool as hell. I just love the idea of the MC being this legendary monster that everyone fears and she even has vestiges.

Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!!

Jul 5, 2021 2:10 PM

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dummy u should be thinking how am i still alive and how to heal not that nonsenses right new

Aug 17, 2021 5:52 PM

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Damn, all the threads are coming back together. Also loved Basgath, did a great job framing Kumoko’s MO and the key to living in this punishing world. I am very interested in seeing how Kumoko is in the most current timeline.

𝘼 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙡 𝙙𝙬𝙚𝙡𝙡𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣 𝙖 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙗𝙤𝙙𝙮

Aug 19, 2021 11:12 AM

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E_Creator said:
Damn, all the threads are coming back together. Also loved Basgath, did a great job framing Kumoko’s MO and the key to living in this punishing world. I am very interested in seeing how Kumoko is in the most current timeline.

i think Spooky is either Aria or D that's why Shun sees her in hes dreams, cause deep inside hes sense tells him that in a cryptic way or maybe spooky is trying to tell him something in a cryptic way

Sep 17, 2021 1:43 PM

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Basgath really lashing out for no reason there, its not like Shun brought Komuko's kids there. Excited to see Kumoko's or should I say the 'Nightmare of the Labytrinth' current time form.

Apr 1, 2022 8:51 PM

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Oh man, can Kumoko become more powerful than the current Demon Lord who is the Origin Teseract.

Jun 24, 2023 9:36 AM

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It's Amazing, also i think it's very underappreciated i mean i suppose people don't think that i would be great cause of the whole spider thing BUT YOUR WRONG its one of my favourite anime out there and I'm really begging for a season 2 which i don't often feel that way when there hasn't been any response on one but for this one im literally going to lose it if they say there's no season 2.

Dec 16, 2023 7:58 AM

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gahhdamn man, those characters really are tsuyoi!

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ansiosa pra ver as duas morando juntas :)

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Why are there humans in my spider isekai? I hate these pedos and bullies and their stupid plotline.

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