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| Last time she finger snapped with such gusto we had a chandelier and other traps. Shes done this snap thing before too. Unless they say otherwise I think the insinuation is quite clear. |
Hulio said: There's a strawman waiting in the threads He'd like to come and meet us But he thinks he'd blow our minds I wonder how many honest conversations all school shooters had. If they had 3+ let's forgive their actions. They did nothing wrong. Hmmm yes the Narrative, where have I heard this before. Don't know what point you're making here. Why are you pulling the same strawman as ssj? Please quote a single line from me where I even remotely argue that Satoko should be forgiven. I wonder if ssj's upsetting sass is infectious or something. |
Hulio said: You've been so precise about definitions and whatnot so I'll just say. That's not Empathy. That's Sympathy. Empathy - the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position. Sympathy - the perception, understanding, and reaction to the distress or need of another life form. Understanding that someone's distressed and feeling pity for them (sympathy) =/= being able to put yourself in that person's shoes (empathy) |
ssjokg said: > leaving your friends behind in tragedy as you reset the timeline = psychopath You see, I never made that point.It is that killing them or intentionally causing the tragedies only to then hop to another shard that is the problem. But sure keep strawman your way through this. >That's straight-up what empathizing means: understanding other people's thoughts and feelings. You have to share those feelings. You can understand why Hitler started killing the Jews. But if you say you share those feelings with him then that's a big fucking problem. We understand why Satoko is doing what she is doing. The reasons are so fucked up tho that it doesnt matter. You speak of reading comprehension but seems all you are capable of is having your own "interpretation" of what the series is showing, what we say as, well as the freaking dictionary. > You see, I never made that point "Pretty convenient that everything that she can throw away is deemed temporary. That...isnt normal. What you described isnt really different from a psychopath." - ssjokg > You have to share those feelings No, you don't. Being able to understand someone's perspective =/= emotionally agreeing with them. > You can understand why Hitler started killing the Jews Exactly. You can empathize (i.e. understand their actions from THEIR point of view) with all kinds of villains, fiction or nonfiction. People do it all the time, but I guess empathy is a foreign concept for someone like yourself who's trying to do the exact opposite towards every reply and explanation I've provided for you. > You speak of reading comprehension but seems all you are capable of is having your own "interpretation" of what the series is showing, what we say as, well as the freaking dictionary Ah of course, because every understanding of an anime that differs from yours is merely an "interpretation" and nothing more. Apologies for questioning your holy majesty and omnipotence, good sir. Also, you okay btw? Sounds like your brain's malfunctioning a bit near the end there. |
Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: > leaving your friends behind in tragedy as you reset the timeline = psychopath You see, I never made that point.It is that killing them or intentionally causing the tragedies only to then hop to another shard that is the problem. But sure keep strawman your way through this. >That's straight-up what empathizing means: understanding other people's thoughts and feelings. You have to share those feelings. You can understand why Hitler started killing the Jews. But if you say you share those feelings with him then that's a big fucking problem. We understand why Satoko is doing what she is doing. The reasons are so fucked up tho that it doesnt matter. You speak of reading comprehension but seems all you are capable of is having your own "interpretation" of what the series is showing, what we say as, well as the freaking dictionary. > You see, I never made that point "Pretty convenient that everything that she can throw away is deemed temporary. That...isnt normal. What you described isnt really different from a psychopath." - ssjokg > You have to share those feelings No, you don't. Being able to understand someone's perspective =/= emotionally agreeing with them. > You can understand why Hitler started killing the Jews Exactly. You can empathize (i.e. understand their actions from THEIR point of view) with all kinds of villains, fiction or nonfiction. People do it all the time, but I guess empathy is a foreign concept for someone like yourself who's trying to do the exact opposite towards every reply and explanation I've provided for you. > You speak of reading comprehension but seems all you are capable of is having your own "interpretation" of what the series is showing, what we say as, well as the freaking dictionary Ah of course, because every understanding of an anime that differs from yours is merely an "interpretation" and nothing more. Apologies for questioning your holy majesty and omnipotence, good sir. Also, you okay btw? Sounds like your brain's malfunctioning a bit near the end there. >"She is willing to kill and let them die so I dont see how fucking with them by using their recollections is any different. The goal is to break Rika. It doesnt matter how she gets there." "She doesnt care about the lives of others OR her own. We just saw her kill herself a bunch of times just to win a stupid card game. She bullied Rika and killed herself when that didnt do shit. She manipulated everyone's feelings just to fuck with Rika." "Pretty convenient that everything that she can throw away is deemed temporary. That...isnt normal." -ssjokg How Rinkusan moves the argument: Rika also throws away worlds. Strawman 101 or you are incapable of comprehending what you read. You realize that no matter what you do, if you are a normal person, you cant place your self in Hitler's shoes right? He killed Jews because he needed a scapegoat for his military and political campaign. Understanding his hatred for them tho is impossible unless you share those feelings to an extend. Empathy works with SOME villains, not all. People can empathize with MCU Thanos but not with Ego or Hela. Same for Satoko. Many people here dont share her feelings and hate her character arc because it makes no fucking sense to them. We understand that she wants to be with Rika. We dont understand how this became an endless torture loop porn. Having a different view is fine, many people seem to love the brainless writing of Gou, I dont argue with all of them. Completely changing the meaning of a scene tho, like you do, is just irritating. |
ssjokgMar 16, 2021 7:31 AM
Rinkusan said: Yep, Strawmen everywhere.Why are you pulling the same strawman as ssj? Please quote a single line from me where I even remotely argue that Satoko should be forgiven. Btw, you probably haven't but I'll ask anyway. Have you ever considered that you're the wrong one here? "You insisting on demonizing her from your own perspective rather than understanding her actions from her perspective. I personally recall her having at least 3 honest conversations with Rika, but at this point, I don't think you really care."The first sentence is implying your disagreement with demonization and suggesting seeing things from her perspective. On 2nd sentence you defend the first one further deviating from the negative perspective, hence turning it more into positive. The "3 honest conversations" are the point here, you're raising that into a stance where it makes a difference. "I can say that Satoko values her friends at her core because of the many actions she's taken throughout the earlier episodes of Satokowashi-hen where she tries multiple times to come to an understanding with Rika, even to the point where she straightforwardly gave Rika a choice."Here aswell, you're viewing about the situation, there's really nothing surprising here, and it fits what I analyzed above. However one point which I will have to make now that I've reread this. There is absolutely no proof that Satoko values her friends... Currently. What you're saying is she valued her friends. Rinkusan said: Empathy isn't really about "understanding". You can well understand other people's feelings, position and situation without Empathy. Empathy's main domain is feeling.Empathy - the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position. You feel their feelings, position and situation. You feel Person X's anguish, not "understand" it. Sorry but no, you can't even try to Empathize with Hitler, and saying so is highly elitistic, if not even Narcissistic. All in all, empathizing with murderers, serial killers and psychopaths, you're treading on thin ice. Sympathy - the perception, understanding, and reaction to the distress or need of another life form. Yes and understanding their feelings, positions and situations.Crude way to say it is Empathy = Feeling Sympathy = Understanding Understanding that someone's distressed and feeling pity for them (sympathy) =/= being able to put yourself in that person's shoes (empathy) Empathy isn't something as simple as "putting yourself in someone's shoes" you can do that well enough without empathy.It is more in a sense of putting yourself in their shoes and getting affected by it. But instead of arguing about the difference of Empathy and Sympathy, or just arguing against our opinions. I do have couple questions for you. First of all you make it sound like you're defending Satoko and her actions, not necessarily saying we should forgive her (As you went and thought I said you did), but defending nonetheless. What exactly IS your stance with her. Should she be forgiven? Is her actions bad after all? Are they justified? What makes this looping murder spree acceptable? And secondly, I take it you're able to "Empathize" with Satoko right? How? Of course, I know nothing about you, but I take it you know nothing about killing someone, let alone that being your friend or close one. You're not "100+" years old. You're not even looping in time, repeating the same events over and over. How can you say you can Empathize with a character who is doing something, being something, and being in a situation, you have absolutely no idea about. Or perhaps you only ment you Empathize with her for trying to connect with her friend, only to drift away from her. And the rest is kinda irrelevant. Are you absolutely sure you're Empathizing and not just Sympathizing with her? PS. Don't mind me, just another Strawman here. |
         Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| Lmao that name Eua... So because of Satoko being looper and it's affecting Teppei because he is family member to Satoko... Wow I'm surprised they pulled Teppei Redemption Arc... Who would have thought Teppei gonna changed? Judging from this episode, I'm highly doubt next episode is going to be the finale of Gou... |
davidyodo24Mar 16, 2021 6:27 AM
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Come on man, at some point you gotta stop clinging to what words ssjokg used exactly. You are just trying to avoid the actual topic by being as nitpicky as possible about what others said. It doesn't matter at all if ssjokg said that throwing away your friends makes you a psychopath or not. You might believe that it's a really strong argument against him by calling him a hypocrit but if you have any reading comprehention you should know that it's not. He was simplifying things to keep it short and it's really lame how you reduce the discussion to that fact. It was already clarified a lot that the point being made was about how killing your friends because you view them as temporary makes you a psychopath while abandoning them because you can't save them anyway is not. It's that simple so why do you feel the need to be so nitpicky about how it was worded... And that's what you fail to realise. No matter how often you say "I don't want to justify what Satoko did", if you try so hard to prove to others that they said that both Rika and Satoko threw away their friends it makes it obvious that you really, really want to defend her. You might call this being empathic but that's just an excuse for defending a very controversial character. I can empathize with her all I want, at some point she simply does something so exceptionally bad that there is no room for defending her anymore. Being empathic ends at "I can understand why she would loop a bunch of times to persuade Rika not to leave Hinamizawa.". When she goes "I'm gonna torture her into submission" then there is nothing anymore to be empathic about. She just behaves too irrational to be understood by any sane person. And by behaving as inhumane as she does it's no surprise a lot of people would call her a psychopath. You are talking about how we are somehow narrow minded because we judge her by our morale but that doesn't make sense. Of course morality get's measured by reality and if something is horrible in real life then it can't be "understandable" in fiction. Actually it's more of a problem that people simply give fictional characters the benefit of the doubt because they have never seen it happen in real life. If you'd watch a girl disembowel her best friend to prove a point then you wouldn't argue that we should be more empathic about it. And please for the sake of the argument don't start with the "I never said that, you said that!" conversation again, it's not going anyhwere and it's really frustrating to read the same stuff over and over again. If something is simplified or interpreted for the sake of the discussion then just live with it, and I will do the same. |
EragurMar 16, 2021 3:05 PM
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Hulio said: Yep, Strawmen everywhere. Btw, you probably haven't but I'll ask anyway. Have you ever considered that you're the wrong one here? "You insisting on demonizing her from your own perspective rather than understanding her actions from her perspective. I personally recall her having at least 3 honest conversations with Rika, but at this point, I don't think you really care."The first sentence is implying your disagreement with demonization and suggesting seeing things from her perspective. On 2nd sentence you defend the first one further deviating from the negative perspective, hence turning it more into positive. The "3 honest conversations" are the point here, you're raising that into a stance where it makes a difference. "I can say that Satoko values her friends at her core because of the many actions she's taken throughout the earlier episodes of Satokowashi-hen where she tries multiple times to come to an understanding with Rika, even to the point where she straightforwardly gave Rika a choice."Here aswell, you're viewing about the situation, there's really nothing surprising here, and it fits what I analyzed above. However one point which I will have to make now that I've reread this. There is absolutely no proof that Satoko values her friends... Currently. What you're saying is she valued her friends. Rinkusan said: Empathy isn't really about "understanding". You can well understand other people's feelings, position and situation without Empathy. Empathy's main domain is feeling.Empathy - the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position. You feel their feelings, position and situation. You feel Person X's anguish, not "understand" it. Sorry but no, you can't even try to Empathize with Hitler, and saying so is highly elitistic, if not even Narcissistic. All in all, empathizing with murderers, serial killers and psychopaths, you're treading on thin ice. Sympathy - the perception, understanding, and reaction to the distress or need of another life form. Yes and understanding their feelings, positions and situations.Crude way to say it is Empathy = Feeling Sympathy = Understanding Understanding that someone's distressed and feeling pity for them (sympathy) =/= being able to put yourself in that person's shoes (empathy) Empathy isn't something as simple as "putting yourself in someone's shoes" you can do that well enough without empathy.It is more in a sense of putting yourself in their shoes and getting affected by it. But instead of arguing about the difference of Empathy and Sympathy, or just arguing against our opinions. I do have couple questions for you. First of all you make it sound like you're defending Satoko and her actions, not necessarily saying we should forgive her (As you went and thought I said you did), but defending nonetheless. What exactly IS your stance with her. Should she be forgiven? Is her actions bad after all? Are they justified? What makes this looping murder spree acceptable? And secondly, I take it you're able to "Empathize" with Satoko right? How? Of course, I know nothing about you, but I take it you know nothing about killing someone, let alone that being your friend or close one. You're not "100+" years old. You're not even looping in time, repeating the same events over and over. How can you say you can Empathize with a character who is doing something, being something, and being in a situation, you have absolutely no idea about. Or perhaps you only ment you Empathize with her for trying to connect with her friend, only to drift away from her. And the rest is kinda irrelevant. Are you absolutely sure you're Empathizing and not just Sympathizing with her? PS. Don't mind me, just another Strawman here. I absolutely did consider it; unfortunately, it's pretty clear from the repetitive dishonesty tactics that I've been calling out over and over again that you and ssj are in the wrong. The obsessiveness on making this conversation personal as a way of derailing the original conversation is classic ad hominem deflection. You can make a 2-story haystack with all the strawmen you have at this point. No, the first sentence DOES NOT imply that I disagree with Satoko being a demon of sorts. Rather, I'm calling ssj out for obsessing over his own personal moral views of Satoko's actions rather than understanding her perspective, all for the SOLE PURPOSE of explaining my disagreement with Irie being a better target than Teppei (the original disagreement that ssj is derailing the conversation away from). Saying "murder bad, Satoko go to hell" is not understanding her as a character. I think Satoko's a great villain; ssj thinks she's a bad villain, hence the wildy different interpretation I've been pointing out. Of course I don't think she should currently be forgiven, and I've clarified this multiple times; what were you thinking when I said that "she's becoming more abusive and more similar to her messed-up Uncle" and "when I straight-up said the two aren't morally comparable"? I really want to take the high road and chalk this up to just a simple misinterpretation from you and ssj, but considering the condescending and dishonest assholery the two of you have been pulling here, all I can really say is maybe try reading my replies instead of glossing over them. Or AT THE VERY LEAST, ask me instead of doubling down in bad faith. I'm basically calling out you and him for being narcissistic Twitter-Andys looking for a personal ego-fight rather than an honest conversation about something we disagree on. I don't know why you're disputing the definitions I gave you regarding sympathy and empathy. There's really nothing I can do if you want to deny words that aren't mine. Sympathy often goes hand in hand with empathy, but the former has absolutely nothing to do with understanding another person's perspective. By your logic, not a single person in the entire world is empathizable because no one is physically capable of living the exact same life as that person. Hell, every fictional character in existence must be unempathizable by your standards since they're not real. You can put yourself in someone's shoes without having physically lived their life; that's the whole point of empathy. Just like ssj, you're way too obsessed with the morality of Satoko's actions - a point that I've repeatedly said is completely irrelevant - rather than understanding her perspective and motivation for the terrible things she's done. How in the world is empathy for well-written villains elitist? Or are you projecting your inability to understand other people's interpretations onto me? |
Rinkusan said: Sure thing Mr. Strawman.I absolutely did consider it; unfortunately, it's pretty clear from the repetitive dishonesty tactics that I've been calling out over and over again that you and ssj are in the wrong. The obsessiveness on making this conversation personal as a way of derailing the original conversation is classic ad hominem deflection. You can make a 2-story haystack with all the strawmen you have at this point. No, the first sentence DOES NOT imply that I disagree with Satoko being a demon of sorts. Rather, I'm calling ssj out for obsessing over his own personal moral views of Satoko's actions rather than understanding her perspective, all for the SOLE PURPOSE of explaining my disagreement with Irie being a better target than Teppei (the original disagreement that ssj is derailing the conversation away from). Saying "murder bad, Satoko go to hell" is not understanding her as a character. I think Satoko's a great villain; ssj thinks she's a bad villain, hence the wildy different interpretation I've been pointing out. Of course I don't think she should currently be forgiven, and I've clarified this multiple times; what were you thinking when I said that "she's becoming more abusive and more similar to her messed-up Uncle" and "when I straight-up said the two aren't morally comparable"? I really want to take the high road and chalk this up to just a simple misinterpretation from you and ssj, but considering the condescending and dishonest assholery the two of you have been pulling here, all I can really say is maybe try reading my replies instead of glossing over them. Or AT THE VERY LEAST, ask me instead of doubling down in bad faith. I'm basically calling out you and him for being narcissistic Twitter-Andys looking for a personal ego-fight rather than an honest conversation about something we disagree on. I don't know why you're disputing the definitions I gave you regarding sympathy and empathy. There's really nothing I can do if you want to deny words that aren't mine. Sympathy often goes hand in hand with empathy, but the former has absolutely nothing to do with understanding another person's perspective. By your logic, not a single person in the entire world is empathizable because no one is physically capable of living the exact same life as that person. Hell, every fictional character in existence must be unempathizable by your standards since they're not real. You can put yourself in someone's shoes without having physically lived their life; that's the whole point of empathy. Just like ssj, you're way too obsessed with the morality of Satoko's actions - a point that I've repeatedly said is completely irrelevant - rather than understanding her perspective and motivation for the terrible things she's done. How in the world is empathy for well-written villains elitist? Or are you projecting your inability to understand other people's interpretations onto me? You sure start using fancy words and attacking me when I'm just showing up my opinions while doubting yours. This just makes it clear with what I'm dealing with currently, and it's probably meaningless to delve further. Looking above it kinda seems that it's atleast a 3-1 situation now, but guess that means Eragur is just as dishonet - and whatever you said - as me and ssj are. Can't speak for ssj, but I've been perfectly honest on what I've said so far. I'd recommend you to take a breather and read a bit more about Empathy & Sympathy, but you won't and will just say I'm in the wrong, so I won't as it's in vain. I don't know how you define "understanding" in this context, but the way you use it is too broad. I can understand your situation and plight, I can understand the feelings of being slightly annoyed, but does that mean I'm Empathizing with you? No, that has nothing to do with Empathy. Sorry to say it, but no, simply understanding someone's feelings or "putting yourself into their shoes" doesn't mean you're empathizing with them, it doesn't even mean that you're able to. If that's how it works, then please, do Empathize with me. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Hulio said: Sure thing Mr. Strawman. You sure start using fancy words and attacking me when I'm just showing up my opinions while doubting yours. This just makes it clear with what I'm dealing with currently, and it's probably meaningless to delve further. Looking above it kinda seems that it's atleast a 3-1 situation now, but guess that means Eragur is just as dishonet - and whatever you said - as me and ssj are. Can't speak for ssj, but I've been perfectly honest on what I've said so far. I'd recommend you to take a breather and read a bit more about Empathy & Sympathy, but you won't and will just say I'm in the wrong, so I won't as it's in vain. I don't know how you define "understanding" in this context, but the way you use it is too broad. I can understand your situation and plight, I can understand the feelings of being slightly annoyed, but does that mean I'm Empathizing with you? No, that has nothing to do with Empathy. Sorry to say it, but no, simply understanding someone's feelings or "putting yourself into their shoes" doesn't mean you're empathizing with them, it doesn't even mean that you're able to. If that's how it works, then please, do Empathize with me. Good old "no u" tactic. I mean, I don't see what's so fancy about "ad hominem" other than it being Latin, and I put in the effort to explain it for you. Seems like you're offended by my vocabulary for some reason. Of course it's meaningless when 3 parties are deliberately derailing the conversation AND trying to accuse me of being a psychopath for an argument I didn't make. Ah, of course, because the more people agree with you, the more righteous you are. What a valuable lesson you've taught me; I should steal Satoko's time-traveling powers and go back to the 1960s to let everyone know what I've learned. Jesus Christ, you are shallow. Considering you doubled down on the ad hominem dodge and strawmanning, no, you've been completely dishonest. Sorry that I hurt your ego so much that you have to die on something as stupid as the "dictionary definitions are wrong" hill. Sorry, but that has everything to do with empathy, though of course it's more than just understanding someone's situation and feelings. It's all about understanding someone's situation and feelings from that other person's perspective. It's very hard for me to empathize with you because I don't understand the mindset of being a nefarious Twitter-Andy who cares more about the person they're disagreeing with than what the person is saying, let alone purposefully misrepresenting and doubling down on what that person actually said. I even said multiple times that I "don't understand" why you and ssj are being dishonest. I'd recommend you to take a breather and read a bit more about Empathy & Sympathy, but you won't and will just say I'm in the wrong, so I won't as it's in vain. |
Eragur said: Come on man, at some point you gotta stop clinging to what words ssjokg used exactly. You are just trying to avoid the actual topic by being as nitpicky as possible about what others said. It doesn't matter at all if ssjokg said that throwing away your friends makes you a psychopath or not. You might believe that it's a really strong argument against him by calling him a hypocrit but if you have any reading comprehention you should know that it's not. He was simplifying things to keep it short and it's really lame how you reduce the discussion to that fact. It was already clarified a lot that the point being made was about how killing your friends because you view them as temporary makes you a psychopath while abandoning them because you can't save them anyway is not. It's that simple so why do you feel the need to be so nitpicky about how it was worded... And that's what you fail to realise. No matter how often you say "I don't want to justify what Satoko did", if you try so hard to prove to others that they said that both Rika and Satoko threw away their friends it makes it obvious that you really, really want to defend her. You might call this being empathic but that's just an excuse for defending a very controversial character. I can empathize with her all I want, at some point she simply does something so exceptionally bad that there is no room for defending her anymore. Being empathic ends at "I can understand why she would loop a bunch of times to persuade Rika not to leave Hinamizawa.". When she goes "I'm gonna torture her into submission" then there is nothing anymore to be empathic about. She just behaves too irrational to be understood by any sane person. And by behaving as inhumane as she does it's no surprise a lot of people would call her a psychopath. You are talking about how we are somehow narrow minded because we judge her by our morale but that doesn't make sense. Of course morality get's measured by reality and if something is horrible in real life then it can't be "understandable" in fiction. Actually it's more of a problem that people simply give fictional characters the benefit of the doubt because they have never seen it happen in real life. If you'd watch a girl disembowel her best friend to prove a point then you wouldn't argue that we should be more empathic about it. And please for the sake of the argument don't start with the "I never said that, you said that!" conversation again, it's not going anyhwere and it's really frustrating to read the same stuff over and over again. If something is simplified or interpreted for the sake of the discussion then just live with it, and I will do the same. Not at all; the irony here is that I am and have been calling out ssj for doing exactly that. It's uncanny seeing you accuse me of doing what I've been calling ssj out for doing throughout this whole conversation, especially after I just explained to you how trivial the whole psychopath derailing was and how I'm trying to bring it back full circle (unsuccessfully, mind you). I wonder if you and the other two are trying to gaslight me at this point; I refuse to believe all 3 of you have the same level of reading comprehension. I disagree with the argument that letting friends whom you view as NPCs die makes you a psychopath. She's morally unjustified in my view, but the morality has absolutely nothing to do with the question of psychopathy. And the question of psychopathy has nothing to do with the question of Irie being a better narrative candidate for the Teppei treatment than Teppei. It's not my fault that you incorrectly interpreted my point that "Satoko isn't a psychopath" as me morally defending her, and I'm perfectly fine with putting the entirety of the blame on the three of you because all 3 of you condescendingly doubled down on it after I clarified my position in good faith multiple times. The reason you 3 are narrow-minded isn't because you're "judging her by our morale". The reason you 3 are narrow-minded and nefarious is because you're "judging her by your morals" as a way of derailing my conversation with ssj to something entirely different and misrepresenting my argument, all with the sadism and ego of your typical Twitter stereotypes. Sorry you think that rationalizing a fictional character's actions and motives = morally defending them and self-projecting. The lack of nuance here is uncanny, and the plea for me to not call you out on strawmanning me again is just bizarre. |
ssjokg said: >"She is willing to kill and let them die so I dont see how fucking with them by using their recollections is any different. The goal is to break Rika. It doesnt matter how she gets there." "She doesnt care about the lives of others OR her own. We just saw her kill herself a bunch of times just to win a stupid card game. She bullied Rika and killed herself when that didnt do shit. She manipulated everyone's feelings just to fuck with Rika." "Pretty convenient that everything that she can throw away is deemed temporary. That...isnt normal." -ssjokg How Rinkusan moves the argument: Rika also throws away worlds. Strawman 101 or you are incapable of comprehending what you read. You realize that no matter what you do, if you are a normal person, you cant place your self in Hitler's shoes right? He killed Jews because he needed a scapegoat for his military and political campaign. Understanding his hatred for them tho is impossible unless you share those feelings to an extend. Empathy works with SOME villains, not all. People can empathize with MCU Thanos but not with Ego or Hela. Same for Satoko. Many people here dont share her feelings and hate her character arc because it makes no fucking sense to them. We understand that she wants to be with Rika. We dont understand how this became an endless torture loop porn. Having a different view is fine, many people seem to love the brainless writing of Gou, I dont argue with all of them. Completely changing the meaning of a scene tho, like you do, is just irritating. Hey, thanks for strawmanning me again! But of course, you won't quote a single line from me where I morally justify a single thing Satoko's done, so I'm glad at least we both know what you're doing. Never denied that; hell, I even stated that Satoko's going to keep manipulating people. How ssjokg moves the argument 101: obsessing over a small analogy I dedicated a short sentence to while missing the point of that analogy completely. Fun fact: there's a name for this tactic - the red herring fallacy. Red herring 101 from someone like yourself who likely is comprehending what they're reading but is too upset, offended, and dishonest to acknowledge it. No; you can place yourself in Hitler's shoes and be a normal person no problem. People analyze and empathize with well-written villains all the time; being able to empathize with a villain is a key part of them being "well-written", whether it's the MCU's Thanos, the moleperson from Shinsekai Yori, or Satoko Hojo. Ah, of course, because only Your Majesty has the authority to determine what is or isn't the meaning of a particular anime scene. Forgive me, my liege. |
| Amazing. This is making Rena's delusional ramblings about aliens sound legit. Yes everyone who disagrees with you is an evil narrow minded conspirator, trying to gaslight you for some little anime bitch. Can you show some empathy for us as well? Surely we have a reason to be so mean towards you. Just put yourself in our shoes. Jesus Chirst cant believe this bullshit is going on till now. |
| Comparing hitler to a well written villan. Sure buddy. Strawman out. |
Rinkusan said: Not at all; the irony here is that I am and have been calling out ssj for doing exactly that. It's uncanny seeing you accuse me of doing what I've been calling ssj out for doing throughout this whole conversation, especially after I just explained to you how trivial the whole psychopath derailing was and how I'm trying to bring it back full circle (unsuccessfully, mind you). I wonder if you and the other two are trying to gaslight me at this point; I refuse to believe all 3 of you have the same level of reading comprehension. I disagree with the argument that letting friends whom you view as NPCs die makes you a psychopath. She's morally unjustified in my view, but the morality has absolutely nothing to do with the question of psychopathy. And the question of psychopathy has nothing to do with the question of Irie being a better narrative candidate for the Teppei treatment than Teppei. It's not my fault that you incorrectly interpreted my point that "Satoko isn't a psychopath" as me morally defending her, and I'm perfectly fine with putting the entirety of the blame on the three of you because all 3 of you condescendingly doubled down on it after I clarified my position in good faith multiple times. The reason you 3 are narrow-minded isn't because you're "judging her by our morale". The reason you 3 are narrow-minded and nefarious is because you're "judging her by your morals" as a way of derailing my conversation with ssj to something entirely different and misrepresenting my argument, all with the sadism and ego of your typical Twitter stereotypes. Sorry you think that rationalizing a fictional character's actions and motives = morally defending them and self-projecting. The lack of nuance here is uncanny, and the plea for me to not call you out on strawmanning me again is just bizarre. No that's not what you are doing. You are continuing a pointless discussion about who said what even now. Maybe you should try to keep yourself in check so you don't continue to go in circles. It doesn't matter who started it. So I am wrong to say that a person who disregards her friends as NPCs and thus doesn't show any emotion or remorse while killing them and treats torturing her best friend as a game is a psychopath? And somehow us interpreting your writing of essays about how we should empathize with Satoko as you defending her to a level is condescending? Also I have never said a single word about Irie or Teppei so I don't know why you bring them up in all of your posts. You need to look at yourself when discussing. Other people interpret things you write because even if you don't literally write that you defend her you still come off that way and you aren't doing a good job clarifying that. Blaming everyone else for strawmaning you while you yourself constantly twist around words for your arguments sake is hypocritical. But sure, your arguments are so flawless we simply can't help but strawman you. We are all mean and you aren't defending Satoko at all. Chargecoulomb said: Comparing hitler to a well written villan. Sure buddy. Strawman out. You missed the point. Other than that, saying that a real person with 56 years of biography in a complex world during the most turbulent time of humanities recent history is somehow one dimensional compared to a fictional character who went from "I don't want to study and my best friend neglects me." to "I'm going to torture my best friend into sumbmission by murdering her and her friends." in three episodes is... daring. Unless the only requirement for being well written is to be able to sympathize with them. And mind you I don't feel like Satoko is a bad antagonist of this story. Imo she is a very interesting character and her development is really interesting as well. Actually I do like the way she is now a lot. The only problem I (and others) have is that her development isn't all that realistic, since she hardly has any reason for her evil behavior and she went supervillain too fast. I love Bern and Lamda so it's not that I have a problem with characters being apathetic or even sadistic. But it shoul be in character. |
EragurMar 17, 2021 3:52 AM
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Eragur said: Chargecoulomb said: Comparing hitler to a well written villan. Sure buddy. Strawman out. You missed the point. Other than that, saying that a real person with 56 years of biography in a complex world during the most turbulent time of humanities recent history is somehow one dimensional compared to a fictional character who went from "I don't want to study and my best friend neglects me." to "I'm going to torture my best friend into sumbmission by murdering her and her friends." in three episodes is... daring. I getcha. I have a problems with Satokos character development myself. Which I've posted about before. Its just that using a human and a fictional writing comparsion is dubious at best and asanine at worst. |
Chargecoulomb said: I getcha. I have a problems with Satokos character development myself. Which I've posted about before. Its just that using a human and a fictional writing comparsion is dubious at best and asanine at worst. Yeah I know that you aren't that happy with her development either. Sorry if I misinterpreted your comment. I agree that you can't really compare the two, though it's quite natural to compare fiction and reality in order explain realistic behavior. |
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| There's so many things which could be said, but all considering, I'll just point out one thing. Rinkusan said: I'd love to accuse you of the cardinal sin on this thread, "Strawmanning" me out. But I won't.Hulio said: Looking above it kinda seems that it's atleast a 3-1 situation now, but guess that means Eragur is just as dishonet - and whatever you said - as me and ssj are. Can't speak for ssj, but I've been perfectly honest on what I've said so far. Ah, of course, because the more people agree with you, the more righteous you are. What a valuable lesson you've taught me; I should steal Satoko's time-traveling powers and go back to the 1960s to let everyone know what I've learned. Jesus Christ, you are shallow. Instead, I want you to explain me, how this is not a hypocritical strawman on your part, according to your definition. Which, if you don't mind sharing with us, so that we could point it out to you when you're simply not understanding what we're saying, and when you are actually Strawmanning yourself. |
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Eragur said: No that's not what you are doing. You are continuing a pointless discussion about who said what even now. Maybe you should try to keep yourself in check so you don't continue to go in circles. It doesn't matter who started it. So I am wrong to say that a person who disregards her friends as NPCs and thus doesn't show any emotion or remorse while killing them and treats torturing her best friend as a game is a psychopath? And somehow us interpreting your writing of essays about how we should empathize with Satoko as you defending her to a level is condescending? Also I have never said a single word about Irie or Teppei so I don't know why you bring them up in all of your posts. You need to look at yourself when discussing. Other people interpret things you write because even if you don't literally write that you defend her you still come off that way and you aren't doing a good job clarifying that. Blaming everyone else for strawmaning you while you yourself constantly twist around words for your arguments sake is hypocritical. But sure, your arguments are so flawless we simply can't help but strawman you. We are all mean and you aren't defending Satoko at all. Yes, that is exactly what I'm doing. I was trying to redirect the red herrings ssj pulled back onto the original disagreement, but since you 3 are perfectly fine with playing the ego game, I'm more than happy to play. It absolutely does matter who started it among other things; thanks for revealing to me that you're deliberately ignoring past events to justify putting words in my mouth. Yes, and yes. As I've said before though, I don't think you disagreeing with me on her psychopathy makes you in the wrong. You 3 are in the wrong because, to put it simply, you're nefarious and dishonest assholes who care more about ego than coming to an understanding. Only a small portion of my essays throughout this thread have actually been dedicated to Satoko as an empathetic villain and more dedicated to calling you 3 out for the nefarious tactics you've been pulling. And to be more specific, the condescension comes from the 3 of you being a bunch of Twitter-Andys who rely on ad hominem (going after me personally instead of what I said), red herrings (derailing the conversation), and strawmanning (putting words in my mouth) to defend your stance. I'm bringing "Irie and Teppei" up because that's literally the original topic of disagreement before ssj pulled his trademark red herring. I'm fine with people misinterpreting what I said, and miscommunication happens all the time, especially on the internet. The difference between the 3 of you and someone who merely misinterpreted what I said is that you 3 condescendingly doubled down hard after I clarified my position multiple times, and, rather than admitting to the misinterpretation and trying to come to an understanding in good faith, you'd rather blame me for your misinterpretation. Perhaps you should take your own advice and go through some self-reflection instead of blaming other people for your mistakes. Your words, not mine, my guy. I don't care how "flawless" you 3 think my explanation for Satoko being an empathetic villain is; I'm just calling you out for being nefarious cliches who rely on textbook logical fallacies to defend your egos. |
Hulio said: I'd love to accuse you of the cardinal sin on this thread, "Strawmanning" me out. But I won't. Instead, I want you to explain me, how this is not a hypocritical strawman on your part, according to your definition. Which, if you don't mind sharing with us, so that we could point it out to you when you're simply not understanding what we're saying, and when you are actually Strawmanning yourself. By all means, explain what exactly I'm strawmanning. Or is this a lazy attempt at tu quoque to avoid addressing any of the points I made in the previous reply? Considering dodging me has been a recurring theme throughout this thread, I'm going to guess the latter. I already dedicated paragraphs to explaining my stance on both Satoko as a character and you 3 as narcissistic and easily-offended egomaniacs. How about you actually respond to them instead of avoiding them? |
ssjokg said: Amazing. This is making Rena's delusional ramblings about aliens sound legit. Yes everyone who disagrees with you is an evil narrow minded conspirator, trying to gaslight you for some little anime bitch. Can you show some empathy for us as well? Surely we have a reason to be so mean towards you. Just put yourself in our shoes. Jesus Chirst cant believe this bullshit is going on till now. I agree if "this" is referring to watching you grasping at straws and repeatedly dodging me in order to give me the middle finger, which I suspect is a coping mechanism for cognitive dissonance. No, not everyone is. Just you 3, specifically because you're salty double-downers with nefarious intentions and fragile egos. It's very hard for me personally to empathize with dishonest egomaniacs. I understand that you are a fragile and salty narcissist not unlike your typical Twitter stereotypes; I just don't understand the logical steps it takes to get to that point from any perspective, unless it really is as simple and shallow as "trying to look good at all costs". If it's the latter, then absolutely, I am empathizing with you, all without giving you a shred of sympathy. I agree; can't believe the 3 of you, even right now, are still dodging and/or misinterpreting what I'm saying. I wonder if you've also been avoiding quoting me so that I don't see that you replied in my notifications. |
Nah man, you are making this a personal thing. You aren't the first one to disagree with our stance on Satoko's behavior but you are the first one that interprets anything that is said to him as an offense. What's with all the insults you are throwing around? You get more and more mad about this discussion and talk nonstop about us. You are so stuck up on this you simply can't let go. Your problem isn't that we are all evil "assholes" who pick at you for no reason but that you aren't able to hold up a decent discussion. You can't stay at topic and feel insulted by anything that is said to you. Meanwhile you throw around insults like the hypocrit you are. If you could just let it pass, quit the essays about how evil we are and start to write on topic again then we could continue without ill feelings. But it seems like you enjoy playing the victim for some reason. |
EragurMar 17, 2021 2:58 PM
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Rinkusan said: Yeah that's what I thought, all talk without content.Hulio said: I'd love to accuse you of the cardinal sin on this thread, "Strawmanning" me out. But I won't. Instead, I want you to explain me, how this is not a hypocritical strawman on your part, according to your definition. Which, if you don't mind sharing with us, so that we could point it out to you when you're simply not understanding what we're saying, and when you are actually Strawmanning yourself. By all means, explain what exactly I'm strawmanning. Or is this a lazy attempt at tu quoque to avoid addressing any of the points I made in the previous reply? Considering dodging me has been a recurring theme throughout this thread, I'm going to guess the latter. I already dedicated paragraphs to explaining my stance on both Satoko as a character and you 3 as narcissistic and easily-offended egomaniacs. How about you actually respond to them instead of avoiding them? You keep accusing us of things which you yourself repeat time after time. You can't read our posts, you can't answer questions, you can't even defend yourself. All you want is answers from us, yet offer none yourself. Your last chance to save your face and actually retain some sensibility on your preaching was lost right here and now. You clearly have the worst reading comprehension out of all of us, and the most fragile ego on the side. Next time you engage in a debate, you should stimulate your grey brain cells better and think through what you're reading and saying. I guess this is it for us.. Have a good day! |
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| You read it here folks, some alleged narcissistic asshole on some forum is harder to empathize with than Hitler. Now, this is an actual fallacy I just made, but I am done replying honestly to these bullshit. @Hulio, @Eragur and maybe @Chargecoulomb, I am not one to talk but give it up before it is too late. |
Eragur said: Nah man, you are making this a personal thing. You aren't the first one to disagree with our stance on Satoko's behavior but you are the first one that interprets anything that is said to him as an offense. What's with all the insults you are throwing around? You get more and more mad about this discussion and talk nonstop about us. You are so stuck up on this you simply can't let go. Your problem isn't that we are all evil "assholes" who pick at you for no reason but that you aren't able to hold up a decent discussion. You can't stay at topic and feel insulted by anything that is said to you. Meanwhile you throw around insults like the hypocrit you are. If you could just let it pass, quit the essays about how evil we are and start to write on topic again then we could continue without ill feelings. But it seems like you enjoy playing the victim for some reason. Not at all; ssj turned this simple, benign disagreement about whether Irie should get the Teppei treatment into a derailing mess of a conversation about Satoko's psychopathy and mine by proxy. Thanks for lying and constantly avoiding quoting a single statement from me that validates anything you're saying; makes it super easy for me to expose malintent when the person's too lazy to cite. Those "insults" are me calling out cliche logical fallacies from dishonest folk like yourself. You 3 were the ones who wanted this conversation to get personal after all, so I was and am more than happy to oblige. Seems like my comments hit much closer to home than I thought considering you're just repeating what I'm saying and throwing it back at me (i.e. the "no u" tactic) in the most blatant way possible. If my words trigger you so much, maybe try avoiding personal commentary and bad-faith dodging next time. Thanks for strawmanning me again. I never said you 3 were evil. I said you 3 were narcissistic Twitter-Andys with malintent. Sorry you 3 are incapable of staying on topic, but there's nothing I can do to teach self-centered stereotypes who try to hide their god complex under the veil of passive-aggressive self-righteousness. I'm more than happy to get back to the original topic, but all 4 of us know at this point neither of you don't want to. I love how you're basically paraphrasing my replies at this point, which shows that you at least have the reading comprehension to understand exactly what I'm saying. It's unfortunate that you're not very good at hiding your ego-related insecurity. |
Hulio said: Yeah that's what I thought, all talk without content. You keep accusing us of things which you yourself repeat time after time. You can't read our posts, you can't answer questions, you can't even defend yourself. All you want is answers from us, yet offer none yourself. Your last chance to save your face and actually retain some sensibility on your preaching was lost right here and now. You clearly have the worst reading comprehension out of all of us, and the most fragile ego on the side. Next time you engage in a debate, you should stimulate your grey brain cells better and think through what you're reading and saying. I guess this is it for us.. Have a good day! Yeah, that's what I thought. All talk without content from the egomaniac desperately trying to cover up his salt with vague, passive-aggressive strawmen so he can get away with not having to reply to anything I previously said. Kind of ironic you accuse me of "offering none [of the answers] myself" when one of you went after me earlier for the complete opposite. I love the inconsistency among the 3 of you, especially when they happen right after you pull the "we outnumber you" card like the shallow person you are. Oof, sounds like I struck a nerve there. Thanks for admitting that saving face was what you actually cared about. Careful, my guy; that pseudo-sarcastic facade you've been putting up is cracking. Also, good old "no u" tactic. Next time you engage in a debate, maybe don't double down like a condescending, self-righteous brat when someone calls you out for inaccurately interpreting their replies. See ya around, my snarky associate. |
ssjokg said: You read it here folks, some alleged narcissistic asshole on some forum is harder to empathize with than Hitler. Now, this is an actual fallacy I just made, but I am done replying honestly to these bullshit. @Hulio, @Eragur and maybe @Chargecoulomb, I am not one to talk but give it up before it is too late. By all means, go ahead and quote exactly where I made this argument. I'll wait. Oh would you look at that; the first honest self-reflecting statement you've made this entire conversation. It's unfortunate you're following it up with a lie implying you've been honest at all. Baby steps I suppose. Weird that you're implying that it hasn't already crossed the point of no return. |
| Random Teppei character development in the penultimate episode, but I can already see what they have in store — Satoko will give up her dream of wanting to stay in Hinamizawa with everyone, since Teppei will fill the void that Rika leaving to St. Lucia would make. Ryukishi or whoever storyboarded/screenplayed this Gou adaptation really fucked up hard though! This has to be the worst Higurashi adaptation to date. It not only invalidates a lot of the time and effort that the characters put in the previous Higurashi timelines, it turns characters like Satoko with great character development in previous iterations like Higurashi Kai, into caricatures that are used for gimmicks to increase theatrics/shock value. As well, character introductions at the end of the anime like the overpowered deity that are not only random, but only serve to unnecessarily complicate the plot, really aren’t benefiting the story at all. They made my favourite Higurashi character in Satoko — into a self-absorbed, toxic friend, who can’t bear the thought of her best friend leaving to go to school. After all the progress Satoko made in Higurashis’ past. All I can hope for this last episode (please don’t fk this up) is that they don’t ruin these characters any more than they already have. Gou is literally a write off at this point. |
herricklukMar 18, 2021 4:07 AM
| I agree. If an argument or discussion stars involving straw-man nonsense it's going to derail and turn stale quickly. We're gonna know for certain once so 24 comes out whether Gou will continue for 30+ episodes or not, although it probably will. Maybe we'll get a redemption arc for Rina or something. At least a cameo for Tomoe? |
Chargecoulomb said: I agree. If an argument or discussion stars involving straw-man nonsense it's going to derail and turn stale quickly. We're gonna know for certain once so 24 comes out whether Gou will continue for 30+ episodes or not, although it probably will. Maybe we'll get a redemption arc for Rina or something. At least a cameo for Tomoe? Will we really know for certain after episode 24 though? Imagine if episode 24 doesn't even have a next episode preview and we don't know if there will be an episode 25 until yet one more week? |
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EndlessMaria said: Will we really know for certain after episode 24 though? Imagine if episode 24 doesn't even have a next episode preview and we don't know if there will be an episode 25 until yet one more week? After the remake sequel problem which caused issues. Im hopeful that theyll make it clear in 24 whether Gou is ending or not. Who knows though? Maybe theyll end Gou and then drop a suprise season 2 announcement. I guess itll be up to how they handle the ending. If everything is wrapped up semi cleanly (which I very well doubt) then I probabaly wont be expecting 25 and co. You can never be too sure though when it comes to Ryuukishi. |
Rinkusan said: Not at all; ssj turned this simple, benign disagreement about whether Irie should get the Teppei treatment into a derailing mess of a conversation about Satoko's psychopathy and mine by proxy. Thanks for lying and constantly avoiding quoting a single statement from me that validates anything you're saying; makes it super easy for me to expose malintent when the person's too lazy to cite. Those "insults" are me calling out cliche logical fallacies from dishonest folk like yourself. You 3 were the ones who wanted this conversation to get personal after all, so I was and am more than happy to oblige. Seems like my comments hit much closer to home than I thought considering you're just repeating what I'm saying and throwing it back at me (i.e. the "no u" tactic) in the most blatant way possible. If my words trigger you so much, maybe try avoiding personal commentary and bad-faith dodging next time. Thanks for strawmanning me again. I never said you 3 were evil. I said you 3 were narcissistic Twitter-Andys with malintent. Sorry you 3 are incapable of staying on topic, but there's nothing I can do to teach self-centered stereotypes who try to hide their god complex under the veil of passive-aggressive self-righteousness. I'm more than happy to get back to the original topic, but all 4 of us know at this point neither of you don't want to. I love how you're basically paraphrasing my replies at this point, which shows that you at least have the reading comprehension to understand exactly what I'm saying. It's unfortunate that you're not very good at hiding your ego-related insecurity. I am not citing you anymore because you don't write anything topic related. If I would try to prove every single sentence you write wrong then I wouldn't be any better than you and this conversation would become even more pointless. By throwing arround insults like a little kid who can't find any arguments you already showed everyone in this forum how immature you are. You are unable to converse like an adult and that's why not a single person has taken your side. On the contrary, more and more people are calling out your unpleasant way of arguing. It's not even the points you are arguing for, but the way you are always on defense, calling everything anyone else said a strawman, a red herring, an ad hominem, a "no u", a lie, a facade, condescending, passive agressive and so on. That's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you!". Well whatever. If you didn't realise yet that everyone here sees you as a kid throwing a tantrum then this is a lost case. As long as you feel like you are doing a great job arguing it's all good, right? I'm gonna be the bigger man and head out, but feel free to reply with another essay. Let's hope you cooled down a little until next episode. |
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KirigiriJinJin said: I have been lurking around the forums for a while and I used to think that @ssjokg was annoying for always being there to reply whenever people disagreed with him. But after seeing @Rinkusan I feel in the wrong for thinking that way about him. Discussions are a mutual exchange of opinions that you can agree or disagree with. The fact that you are constantly imposing your own opinions on others and always trying to come out on top screams insecurity of being proven wrong and being misjudged. You are desperately trying to prove your superiority to a bunch of strangers on a forum about some anime. If you had some self-awareness you would realize how pathetic it looks to rush to reply whenever someone makes a comment slightly opposing your ideas. You call people ego-maniacs yet the only person here that seems to be obsessed with themselves is you. The difference between you and the people you are 'antagonizing' in this forum is that they have self-awareness and know when to stop insisting on shoving their 'righteousness' onto others. Of course, I'm in no position to lecture you, however keep in mind that your replies are simply unbearable to look at and do nothing other than straying this discussion further from the main topic. Just seeing you change your opinion of someone so quickly because, from your perspective, someone else is worse tells me everything I need to know about how shallow and unempathetic your thought process is. I 100% agree; discussions ABSOLUTELY are a mutual exchange of opinions that you can agree or disagree with. It's unfortunate that you apparently didn't read my replies where I repeatedly called THEM out on not being able to understand this basic concept. Let me do other people's work for them for the nth time by giving you as short of a synopsis as I can, since, after all, my "replies are simply unbearable to look at" that you won't read them. My issue with these 3 Twitter-Andys has nothing to do with me disagreeing with them on simple things like Irie being a better substitute for Teppei and Satoko being a psychopath or literally anything about Higurashi. My issue with these 3 Twitter-Andys is their constant insistence on derailing the conversation away from the original Irie argument with things like psychopathy and disputing copy-pasted dictionary definitions of empathy so that they don't have to respond to the original topic (red herring), calling me a psychopath as a way of disagreeing with my view that she isn't a psychopath (ad hominem), putting words in my mouth by pretending I'm morally defending Satoko - something Hulio is especially guilty of (straw man), blaming me for their misinterpretations - Eragur being the main guilty party for this tactic, and finally - more pathetic than everything else that these 3 have done: DOUBLING, TRIPLING, and QUADRUPLING DOWN in the most cliche, passive-aggressive way possible after I repeatedly spelled out all of these misinterpretations and logical fallacies to them. My comments being jarringly hostile after the fact is the point: they, especially ssj, made it perfectly clear they were arguing in bad faith, so I'm reciprocating my hostility towards THEM (not their opinion) with as many detailed, hit-home call-outs as they'll expose for me - especially eragur, all without putting on a mask that the 3 of them, especially Hulio, have been wearing. |
Eragur said: I am not citing you anymore because you don't write anything topic related. If I would try to prove every single sentence you write wrong then I wouldn't be any better than you and this conversation would become even more pointless. By throwing arround insults like a little kid who can't find any arguments you already showed everyone in this forum how immature you are. You are unable to converse like an adult and that's why not a single person has taken your side. On the contrary, more and more people are calling out your unpleasant way of arguing. It's not even the points you are arguing for, but the way you are always on defense, calling everything anyone else said a strawman, a red herring, an ad hominem, a "no u", a lie, a facade, condescending, passive agressive and so on. That's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you!". Well whatever. If you didn't realise yet that everyone here sees you as a kid throwing a tantrum then this is a lost case. As long as you feel like you are doing a great job arguing it's all good, right? I'm gonna be the bigger man and head out, but feel free to reply with another essay. Let's hope you cooled down a little until next episode. Neither are you 3. All 4 of us are off-topic in the first place because of ssj's red herrings, and I straight-up told you earlier that my earliest goal was to bring the conversation back to the original topic. But since you 3 made it perfectly clear that you want to obsess over things like my psychopathy and quadruple down after misinterpreting things like the Rika analogy and my "moral defense" of Satoko, I'm more than happy to play your game. Hey, thanks for admitting that the insults you 3, especially ssj, have been lobbying at me are of the "little kid" variety. It's unfortunate that you 3 aren't able to converse in good faith like what one would expect from a fully matured adult, but considering this is the internet after all, where man-children such as yourselves lurk at every corner, especially on places like Twitter, it's to be expected. Also, good old "we outnumber you" card. If I didn't elaborate on WHY the dishonest BS you 3 have pulled throughout this thread are "a strawman, a red herring, an ad hominem, a "no u", a lie, a facade, condescending, passive agressive and so on", your analogy would be 100% accurate. Unfortunately for you, as even you admitted, I've written massive essays explaining just that. I think you mean that this is a lost "cause", in which case, I fully agree from the perspective of one who viewed you 3 as lost causes ever since you doubled down like the petty children you are. But by all means, paint yourself dodging my replies as being the "bigger man"; I was more than ready to come to an emotional understanding and move on from petty name-calling and passive-aggressive jabs. It's unfortunate that the 3 of you weren't. |
Also, thanks for the blatant dodge here. |
| Never thought we'd see the day Teppei gets humanized.... But this is R07 and WTC; he writes stories about humans, not heroes. Still don't think he's worth caring about and he's not even close to the kind of depth the Still, I'm glad his abuse wasn't justified, and they didn't excuse it, or forget about it, or forgive him. That was quite a way to end the episode. Open and hanging. |
jaw201 said: @Rinkusan Good on you for exposing the hypocrisy and constant bad faith arguments morons like @ssjokg make. Goes to show that there are some good posters on this otherwise god forsaken site. Appreciate the compliment my dude, but Jesus Christ, I don't take any pleasure in any of this nonsensical pettiness in the aftermath of ssj's BS. It's just all-around disappointing, especially for a 1-week old newbie like me, to be welcomed to a community of fellow anime fans and connoisseurs with generic gaslighting tactics from a self-righteous forum veteran and his posse of disingenuous egomaniacal scumbags. Sorry for venting there. I hope there aren't many more people like them on these forums. |
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| So wait...is Hinamizawa syndrome an effect of the thousands of loops done by both Satoko and Rika? If that ends up being the case...it makes Satoko ever worse of a villain. |
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WolfWood37 said: No. The syndrome is unrelated to the loops.So wait...is Hinamizawa syndrome an effect of the thousands of loops done by both Satoko and Rika? If that ends up being the case...it makes Satoko ever worse of a villain. |
| Imagine trying to redeem Satoko's abusive uncle one episode before the end. What the hell even is this series anymore? Teppei's a piece of shit. Fuck him. |
| That's certainly an interesting route I didn't expect to see. |
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