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| Hanyuu's stuff has always been a bit forced, but honestly Higurashi was basically the first story he wrote and I doubt he ever expected it to get this big, so I'm willing to cut him so slacks. Pretty sure it's an extremely old interview. |
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Eragur said: TLDR: The disembowlment wasn't realistic but still well done. Satoko feels like she was manipulated by a higher being into forcing Rika to stay in Hinamizawa. Same with the four culprits before this loop. When you connect this to Umineko it points to Featherine or Lamda trying to force Rika to sumbit. Maybe leading to the creation of Bern. In my opinion a great episode. How to say this...it isnt that the episode is the WORST thing WTC ever did. For me at least was it was the lack.... or even worse, badly executed build up till this moment. Imagine if after we read Umineko EP2, without previously reading EP1, we jump straight to EP8 right when Bern performs "watanagashi" on Clair. That's how it felt to me. Hell, I can tell you that I would have loved this episode(realism aside) if it had been EP1 of Gou, an amazing way to make you hooked on what the hell is going on and why is Rika forced into this, along with Satoko's behaviour. Now it just feels like I am forced on a boring ride that was falsely advertised, and people(other fans and creators) expect me to love it. Now after 16 episodes I must pretend that the first 13 were even relevant. Basically this has the same problem ep15 had. Why did it take so long and why was the execution of the lead up so bad? It wasnt even surprising that Satoko would do something so horrible. I wasnt expecting a bootleg performance of the ritual, but the way the scene was framed I was expecting that Rika had been dismembered to prevent her from escaping. This, for me, shows that they DO know what they are doing in some scenes. But when most of the content is irrelevant or badly done, like the previous episode, I cant really enjoy any of this. Doesnt even look like a murder mystery anymore. This is more like Steins;Gate now. Just nowhere near as great as S;G. |
| Sorry, what is BT? |
Part IV from this interview https://0707toshokan.wordpress.com/2020/11/27/higurashi-no-nakasekata-how-to-make-them-cry-iii/ The translation I post here are from someone translation on twitter. Maybe this can explain whats happening in Gou, if Hannyu/Featherine is the culprit of Rika situation. |
| Welp, Rika had another bad end. Horrifying. It left me gutted… |
Thanos_ said: Part IV from this interview https://0707toshokan.wordpress.com/2020/11/27/higurashi-no-nakasekata-how-to-make-them-cry-iii/ The translation I post here are from someone translation on twitter. Maybe this can explain whats happening in Gou, if Hannyu/Featherine is the culprit of Rika situation. No, it can ADMIT that it is Hannyu/Featherine but this cannot EXPLAIN it. |
random_weirdo said: I always thought "if it really happened" it was the other way around, Keiichi stabbing Rena and she trying to defend with the alarm, hence why the bandages on his head. But honestly, Imo I think Rena died when she hit her head. I think it was the first time an hallucination prevented someone terminal of dying from neck scratch.Lmao, yes, Rika just talking all chill when Akasaka stabbed her neck was pretty ridiculous. But I stopped taking the depictions of the effects of violence in the human body in Gou seriously since I saw that a hit to the head with an alarm clock can cause such a pool of blood. Sure, it may have been a hallucination, but still it's where I stopped taking it seriously. I didn't mind the finger snaps because I thought they were a narrative tool more than anything else, and because, as I mentioned above, I had stopped taking it seriously. But surviving and being conscious while being torn in half? That was a bit too much. Anyways, no matter what happened, everything in that scene after Rena hits her head was awfully performed, the ammount of blood is totally incompatible. I can feel that part of me stopped taking it seriously by that point too. I was still kinda watching for the mystery, eventually losing almost all my interest on it as well because of the 13 episodes of 95% recap. Even the manga takes the alarm as if it was an extremely effective blunt weapon's edge. My father had one of these alarms, they're rarely made of heavy and resistant material. I remember Keiichi batting Teppei in Tatarigoroshi's VN, it took a very long chase beating different places for him to lose consciousness and the bat stick to his skull. Also every scene of neck scratching should have a preparation, as if the person was scratching for a while, it really looks like everyone has adamant claws lol. They want to make things gory for shock value, but they don't even know how it works. The blood splattering on walls and every furniture in every single scene like that is exagerated to the point of becoming ridiculous. random_weirdo said: That's exactly what I was imagining yesterday before going to sleep, every heart pulse would make a squirt. That's why I went full "Stop it! Get some help!". I thought I was resilient as long as it's not worms/decomposition/holes related (hi Tsumihoroboshi anime Rena's neck close up), but I'm not lol. If this scene was 100% realistic it would be horrific.To begin, it's actual jets of blood squirting out, not only pools or drips of blood. In a way, I'm thankful they went for the pools of blood only because this episode didn't need to be gorier than it already is. After that, you will be drained of most of your blood and die in a matter of one minute, which is the amount of time that it takes the aorta and the cava to circulate your blood into your body and back into your heart. Basically, you're completely drained of blood. |
ssjokg said: Eragur said: TLDR: The disembowlment wasn't realistic but still well done. Satoko feels like she was manipulated by a higher being into forcing Rika to stay in Hinamizawa. Same with the four culprits before this loop. When you connect this to Umineko it points to Featherine or Lamda trying to force Rika to sumbit. Maybe leading to the creation of Bern. In my opinion a great episode. How to say this...it isnt that the episode is the WORST thing WTC ever did. For me at least was it was the lack.... or even worse, badly executed build up till this moment. Imagine if after we read Umineko EP2, without previously reading EP1, we jump straight to EP8 right when Bern performs "watanagashi" on Clair. That's how it felt to me. Hell, I can tell you that I would have loved this episode(realism aside) if it had been EP1 of Gou, an amazing way to make you hooked on what the hell is going on and why is Rika forced into this, along with Satoko's behaviour. Now it just feels like I am forced on a boring ride that was falsely advertised, and people(other fans and creators) expect me to love it. Now after 16 episodes I must pretend that the first 13 were even relevant. Basically this has the same problem ep15 had. Why did it take so long and why was the execution of the lead up so bad? It wasnt even surprising that Satoko would do something so horrible. I wasnt expecting a bootleg performance of the ritual, but the way the scene was framed I was expecting that Rika had been dismembered to prevent her from escaping. This, for me, shows that they DO know what they are doing in some scenes. But when most of the content is irrelevant or badly done, like the previous episode, I cant really enjoy any of this. Doesnt even look like a murder mystery anymore. This is more like Steins;Gate now. Just nowhere near as great as S;G. Yeah I can totally see where you are coming from. The Nekodamashi arc actually shows that Gou is able to show an interesting new story and create an exciting mystery. Heck it even got me emotionally invested during some scenes and I am having fun trying to figure everything out. But because of the slow and decieving buildup you are just less invested than you normally would be at this point. The "remake" arcs were only slightly interesting and failed at making you hungry for the next episode. These 13 weeks kinda killed any hype and now that the interesting part starts a lot of people are already so disappointed that they can't imagine this to turn out as a good series. That of course makes it difficult to appreciate good scenes and easy to criticize bad ones. This could have been done so much better. Even if the new mystery turns out to be a great one in the end this series will always feel weird because of the bad decision to make this look like a remake even though it isn't. Old fans are bored and new fans will never be able to experience WTC the right way. The difference in our take on the matter is that I am trying to stay as optimistic for this series as I can be. There are a lot of things is dislike, be it the directing, the pacing, the artstyle, the animations, the sometimes ridiculous blood splatter or even some big decisions like the "remake"-move. But episodes like EP14 or EP16 actually convince me that this series can feel like true Higurashi and that this new mystery can be excitng. When thinking about the possible developments I feel like this really is a R07 work, even if it is hidden under bad directing. That's why I want to give this a chance. I wouldn't want to rewatch the first three arcs anytime soon but I will gladly watch the episodes to come. |
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yet again i feel so bad so rika but hopefully since she realized she shouldnt hate hinamizawa and should love and stay there, she can finally get a good ending. even though she says she doesnt hate it i still kinda sucks that she had to go through the cycle all over again because she just wanted to escape her deadly fate. |
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kibazedd said: Just because you couldn't get at first, it doesn't mean it is vague. All when they cry series are about revisiting what you had watched to get more clues. If you rewatched from the beggining you'll see that the things make sense and even will find more clues. just because you couldn't find a question to answer, it doesn't mean that it was vague and incosistent. Higurashi is an anime for people to talk about, discuss and to find answers. Because there were clues, and not recycled material and gore porn. Any "solution" he gives will be unjustified and out of thin air because there is no mystery or clues anywhere in Gou. |
Devil_Slayer said: Why is it so hard to admit that show you like isn't making sense for once and moving on? We will get laughed at if we bring someone who is remotely knowledgeable about surgery and human body Those two guys are just arguing for the sake of argument. I mean @ssjokg has thousands of low effort post. |
Gar_Logan said: Sorry, what is BT? BT is an ex member of 07thExpansion, he was their site/home page manager. (he died in 2009.) I'm not sure if he's contributed to any of the writing, but it is known that Ryukishi occasionally asks for BT's opinions on his material. |
| Holy mother fucker I screamed as I cRINGEd at the first half that unfolded before me.. Even the gore porn adaptation of an anime that was Corpse Party never went full on satanic human sacrifice levels. Why did we need to see the entire process from beginning to end like that in SUCH DETAIL??? Jesus christ, that was so unbelievably unnecessary.. wtf Who okay'd this? ??? |
| Satoko got revenge for the chair scene lol man I am happy they didn't censor which make the scene more impactful lol at people crying about Redo of Healer being edgy, actually Higurashi the only edgy show and I love both @_@ |
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jTiKey said: Said the person reminding us how bad R07 is after UmiEp5 in every chance they get because that is somehow relevant.Devil_Slayer said: Why is it so hard to admit that show you like isn't making sense for once and moving on? We will get laughed at if we bring someone who is remotely knowledgeable about surgery and human body Those two guys are just arguing for the sake of argument. I mean @ssjokg has thousands of low effort post. |
Monusha said: Gar_Logan said: Sorry, what is BT? BT is an ex member of 07thExpansion, he was their site/home page manager. (he died in 2009.) I'm not sure if he's contributed to any of the writing, but it is known that Ryukishi occasionally asks for BT's opinions on his material. He died circa Umineko EP6, which was the downfall of the series, only proving his role. |
jTiKey said: He died circa Umineko EP6, which was the downfall of the series, only proving his role. Way to give too much credit to someone with a very minor role in R07's works to justify your very personal opinion about his more recent episodes. There was no downfall for Umineko just because you didn't like how it turned out. |
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kibazedd said: And then you come predicting the future. Why is it so hard to wait the show end ti criticize a mystery show? Seriously guys, you must be fans of Mirai Nikki when you guys criticize higurashi like that. Joke's on you, this Higurashi Gou critic hasn't even seen Mirai Nikki.  |
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Lil-Bird said: kibazedd said: And then you come predicting the future. Why is it so hard to wait the show end ti criticize a mystery show? Seriously guys, you must be fans of Mirai Nikki when you guys criticize higurashi like that. Joke's on you, this Higurashi Gou critic hasn't even seen Mirai Nikki. His completed anime list says otherwise. 💁but he doesn't seem to be a fan of it but he scored way higher than Gou and Another which is basically gore scenes is scored way higher too. Joke is on the people that wants to force the idea that this is a bad adaptation only because it was not what you guys have expected ( how lol I watch many reactioners who haven't watched he OG series and they seem to be having fun. |
| It's like with every new episode I have several questions lol. But anyway, I kind of feel conflicted about the gore this episode. On one hand I'm like "Yes! Some gore finally not just a bunch of blood!" But on the other hand, I feel like it went on a bit too long. Also when they made speculation that Watanagashi was about entrails, I feel like leaving it to the imagination seemed better. Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this. Overall I'm glad to see some gore was added, though it may have gone on a bit too long. |
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jaw201 said: ssjokg said: How to say this...it isnt that the episode is the WORST thing WTC ever did. For me at least was it was the lack.... or even worse, badly executed build up till this moment. Imagine if after we read Umineko EP2, without previously reading EP1, we jump straight to EP8 right when Bern performs "watanagashi" on Clair. That's how it felt to me. I mean in episode three of Umineko, we literally have a scene where characters are turned into literal meat paste over and over and over again, which on a gore stand point is significantly more gruesome and brutal than Bern's Disemboweling of Clair. Yes but there was like half of an VN episode leading up to it. And I used EP8's scene because of the extra revelations that happen during the ritual, that I believe wouldn't have the same impact if they were given to us like I mentioned above. Furthermore, EP3's scene is just a character taking out their anger and frustration on others(yes it leads to some other events but for me. I believe Satoko disemboweling Rika is much more significant for Higurashi's story and those two as characters. I just dong like how it was handled. |
Eragur said: jTiKey said: He died circa Umineko EP6, which was the downfall of the series, only proving his role. Way to give too much credit to someone with a very minor role in R07's works to justify your very personal opinion about his more recent episodes. There was no downfall for Umineko just because you didn't like how it turned out. Umineko is fine story-wise, but as for a murder mystery, even as a deconstruction, it's beyond awful at the level of Boku dake ga Inai Machi if not worse. Even the story itself throws away the mystery and answers it was building up for 6 episode, and shames people who were wanting it because, you know, it's a freaking murder mystery. It's more like the author didn't know the answers, so just gave them as vague as possible. Absolute disrespect to the people putting effort into solving an unsolvable mess. |
jTiKey said: Umineko is fine story-wise, but as for a murder mystery, even as a deconstruction, it's beyond awful at the level of Boku dake ga Inai Machi if not worse. Even the story itself throws away the mystery and answers it was building up for 6 episode, and shames people who were wanting it because, you know, it's a freaking murder mystery. It's more like the author didn't know the answers, so just gave them as vague as possible. Absolute disrespect to the people putting effort into solving an unsolvable mess. Yeah, I absolutely agree with Thanos. Umineko isn't a conventional mystery and never tried to be one. It's a R07 mystery which makes it unique in a way. There are a lot of different genres combined and a heavy focus on story and characters. This isn't just about figuring out who the culprit was but about motivations, deceptions, playing with mystery tropes and many other things. While R07 wanted us to try to figure everything out he also wanted the reader to feel and to be shocked. Trying to solve Umineko like a classic murder mystery propably isn't the best way to do it. It's certainly not unsolveable and if you couldn't figure it out that doesn't make it a bad mystery. Umineko is exactly how Ryukishi wanted it to be. And being different from other murder mysteries is exactly what it is loved for. |
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I couldn't agree more. Also, why only the throat? Formication can appear anywhere on the skin. I guess the reason is "convenient gory scratching". :p |
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jTiKey said: Monusha said: BT is an ex member of 07thExpansion, he was their site/home page manager. (he died in 2009.) I'm not sure if he's contributed to any of the writing, but it is known that Ryukishi occasionally asks for BT's opinions on his material. He died circa Umineko EP6, which was the downfall of the series, only proving his role. This whole "BT was the real mind behind 07th Expansion!!" is literally bullshit started by people who didn't like the idea of and were pushing for lol Rosatrice. It's always been unfounded bullshit. Heck, Ep. 8 manga is one of the best things R07 wrote and it was written years after his death. Episode 7 is generally considered one of the best episodes. I wouldn't be surprising that the death of a dear friend certainly impacted impacted his writing and R07 certainly fumbled with the delivery in Chiru, but there is zero proof that it was because BT's was the secret mastermind behind WTC rather than him overreaching and the backslash from the subject (iirc he admitted he had problems starting the writing of Ep. 8, and it was written in a significantly shorter time?). |
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kagmole said: I couldn't agree more. Also, why only the throat? Formication can appear anywhere on the skin. I guess the reason is "convenient gory scratching". :p You cant have weird ass animation if they have to scratch their hands. ;) |
kibazedd said: Joke is on the people that wants to force the idea that this is a bad adaptation only because it was not what you guys have expected ( how lol I watch many reactioners who haven't watched he OG series and they seem to be having fun. Reactioners are the worst measurement when it comes to the actual quality of a show. Most of them force themselves to be positive about everything, cause they are afraid of backlash from the fans which would hurt their channel. I just wanted to put that out there. I am in no way a Gou hater (yet, at least), but that isn't a good way to determine if a show/song/music video/game is good. |
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jaw201 said: So that's why Rena was cutting herself (not the throat) and scratching her wrists.kagmole said: Also, why only the throat? Formication can appear anywhere on the skin. I guess the reason is "convenient gory scratching". :p Why the throat? Because that's just the way it was written in OG Higurashi. Hinamizawa syndrome mainly causes formication in the neck area. Also way to miss the point of the post. |
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random_weirdo said: Hmm I guess I was slightly mistaken with the blood vessels (I tend to mix Blood Vessel with Vein quite often [or did]).Well, I did ask him because I got curious about the details and the medical implications. I'm a nerd just like that. On the Pain killers, I don't think there's anything to argue. Even if you get the substance in your blood, it doesn't go into your spine, into the Cerebrospinal fluid. Which is a reason why on surgeries you get injected the "pain killers" directly. And yeah the blood splurts are surprisingly... "strong". I was doing this school's work introduction thing in hospital and I saw a little splurt flying from throat some 2-3 meters away |
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kibazedd said: The score you give to something isn't directly related to its gender, but rather your enjoyment. Take your example, the mystery, horror(?) aspects of Another are just average. If I'd take it to the core of its concept, it would have a lower score than I gave it. The reason I enjoyed slighty more than expected is because I was laughing so fking hard at some moments.His completed anime list says otherwise. 💁but he doesn't seem to be a fan of it but he scored way higher than Gou and Another which is basically gore scenes is scored way higher too. Joke is on the people that wants to force the idea that this is a bad adaptation only because it was not what you guys have expected ( how lol I watch many reactioners who haven't watched he OG series and they seem to be having fun. The reason original Higurashi had such a high score from me is mainly because of how enjoyable it was to me back in time, ngl it gave me paranoia. If I had watched the vn first, it'd probably be only "ok", since I realize now that it's a very lacking adaptation, and almost every arc was partially butchered from very interesting content, backstory in example. I'm often tempted to nerf the score though. Well, I wrote this while misunderstanding, you were talking about Mirai Nikki. To me it was simply a "battle royale" anime that could be interesting, but failed miserabily. The plot is something I often thought "seriously, I could've done better" to the point of actually having ideas. Also, Gou is a sequel. Sequels can be either whiteknighted or admonished. I mean, you really need to bring a very good reason to continue a story that was finished and sealed, and Gou hasn't brought me that reason so far, mainly because 90% of the question arcs were recaps. It only pretended to be newcomer friendly to advertise the higuracha to as many people as possible. tl;dr you can't judge what aspect the person liked in something by the score alone, it's very vague. |
rafaelfserafim said: higuracha I really hate this new word. Lets try to not use it too much. |
| on a real note, the entire satoko and rika scene has officially out beat as one of the most disturbing scenes i've seen in anime - seriously, i had to cover my eyes a few times lmao this episode really had that true higurashi *feel* 4/5 |
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