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Too disturbing even for Higurashi.That scene lasted too long. |
| People still trusting R07 with Gou remind me of Battler in EP6. Totally oblivious to the disaster that is currently happening due to overconfidence in the script. How fitting, Battler was making up bullshit as the story was unfolding and seems that the same goes for R07 in Gou. The difference is that Battler getting wrecked is always fun. Seeing the actual writer mess up this much for no reason is just sad. |
| Great episode, that first half was very unsettling. I think Rika definitely doesn't hate Hinamizawa as a whole, she still loves her friends and such, but her dream was still to leave it. So, Rika being manipulated by whoever is behind all this is unsettling. I am sure the message of this episode was just a red herring. That final scene with Takano was very interesting though, looking forward to the final chapter of Nekodamashi. |
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| It really took 3 episodes of original content for Gou to burn itself to the ground, Jesus Christ. After the dumpster fire of last episode’s bad pointless misery and gore, I’m certainly glad I sat through 10 minutes of more unnecessary torture porn that also contained some of the most unnecessary and terrible gore I’ve ever seen, just to see character motivations that contradict the character progress through an unbelievable character arc that also contradicts the character. I remember when Higurashi was legitimately unsettling instead of cheap theatrics — when it was content with say, simply describing Watanagashi to rattle us. Even the goriest scenes (like showing us Rika’s mauled corpse out of nowhere) set up a lot of questions and mystery. I would still say it struck a tenuous balance with being extra, but this? This lost even the raw shock factor after the first minute or two. I know Gou’s been comical with the excess blood splatters or braining people but COME ON. As for the purpose of this entire episode? It just gets worse. I would at least like to believe there’s something being foreshadowed with Satoko going L5 because last I checked, Hinamizawa Syndrome played off the natural fears/paranoia/distrust/general negative thoughts in characters instead of just making them do random bullshit for the sake of torture porn. Either someone is manipulating her or Satoko became a religious convert when I wasn’t looking. (Or she became Rena — your choice). Regardless, Rika’s arc here is laughable. I’m not convinced of her wanting to leave Hinamizawa in the first place (among other things because it directly contradicts Rei), but if she couldn’t escape a literal century of tortured memories without leaving, fair enough. It doesn’t /really/ click with the whole ‘importance of friends’ thing to just leave them for some private academy, but sure. (Besides, Rika has conveniently been ignoring that whole lesson for all of Gou, so why stop now.) You /then/ ask me to believe Rika got gaslit into going ‘oh actually my time in Hinamizawa was wonderful, I was wrong for ever hating my fate’. By someone who (she thinks, at least) has gone completely insane. In the span of one miserable loop, Seriously, in mere minutes Rika goes from being literally suicidally depressed to ‘I wouldn’t trade my time in Hinamizawa for the world’. The same Rika who has cursed June 1983 throughout every iteration of Higurashi, who has come a hair’s breadth from giving up on this world at least 3 noteworthy times, who has been so broken down by this new hell she wants to end it once and for all. That one. My suspension of belief has gone out the window. Even if we give the benefit of the doubt and say this was some master scheme to manipulate Rika into staying in Hinamizawa... what about any of this sudden 180 makes any sense? Why would she fall for Oyashiro mumbo jumbo of all things? What possible reason did we go through a torture porn miniarc just to say ‘and now she will try again’? It’s almost as brutal of a tone shift as the middle of this episode, which um. Yeah. (Not to mention contrasting Gou’s brevity here to Kai, which spends most of an entire arc — a lengthy one at that — trying to convince Rika to have hope.) If we don’t give that benefit (especially as everything this episode was seemingly played completely straight), we get a thrilling message of ‘actually you were wrong to hate ever being unhappy’. I shouldn’t have to spell out any thrilling subtext there, so I’m just going to hope there’s a puppet master. I have to believe someone is playing Rika for some end because my sanity can’t take the alternative to any of this. It’s still just wasting my time setting up pointless misery drama, but at least there would be a purpose to all this. Maybe if we’re lucky there will even be a purpose to the entire cour of rehash beyond ‘we will get more viewers as a pseudo-reboot’, because Gou sure feels a lot like a pointless cash grab right now. (At the least, it sure better not just be as simple as’ someone was sabotaging the timelines’ and actually have some nuanced mystery a la the original’s question and answer arcs. Otherwise Gou needed one hell of a lot less than 16 episodes to setup everything so far, so I’m just going to hope.) I also don’t even know why they’re bothering to insult the audience’s intelligence talking about how ‘everything is perfect’ in this new timeline when there’s 9 episodes left, but at least the ending promises something to work with towards putting this together. It’s even returning to the classic formula of ‘everything starts off happy’ so I expect it to possibly even try to build to a heart-wrenching climax in this timeline (as opposed to just chucking straight misery and gore at us for a couple episodes without anything to care about beyond ‘being Rika Furude is pain’). |
| The gore in this episode was fucking disgusting, and sexualizing Rika and Satoko, Passione's staffs are a bunch of pedos. Cliffhanger ending. So Takano will finally make her move? |
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Keirik said: They censored the stab wounds in episode 4 but Rika having her guts casually hanging out was just fine to show on TV? I mean, why not right. actually glad they didnt put black holes |
Mistrals_ said: It really took 3 episodes of original content for Gou to burn itself to the ground, Jesus Christ. -snip- I'd give you a trophy if I could.  |
Lil-BirdJan 22, 2021 9:10 AM
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| I'll just put this out here to dilute the weekly "MAL hating on Higurashi GOU negativity" I love what Ryukishi has done with Gou and I believe that it'll have a good conlcusion. The only thing I don't like is the fact that Mion (if it was) got Hinamizawa syndrome back in the second arc of GOU. This has been a much more thrilling watch for me as watching the original deen anime wasn't an enjoyable experience at all for me coming from the VN. Of course unlike when I jumped into the previous anime fresh from the VN, this time there is no source material so my expectations are not sky-high, but they've been well met and most of the fans of Umineko and Higurashi are having a great time with this and trying to understand what exactly is happening |
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| Okay, that was a little too much in the first half there... Satoko, the least expected perpetrator, turned out to be the most brutal. Yikes. Good thing Rika-chan's found an answer to this though but it seems like the next problem is about to begin next week. Swimming thrown into the mix here randomly definitely stuck out but I'm more curious on the answers now honestly. Make or break, pretty much in my records. |
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Jean-Antoine said: FireFistYK said: I'll just put this out here to dilute the weekly "MAL hating on Higurashi GOU negativity" I love what Ryukishi has done with Gou and I believe that it'll have a good conlcusion. The only thing I don't like is the fact that Mion (if it was) got Hinamizawa syndrome back in the second arc of GOU. This has been a much more thrilling watch for me as watching the original deen anime wasn't an enjoyable experience at all for me coming from the VN. Of course unlike when I jumped into the previous anime fresh from the VN, this time there is no source material so my expectations are not sky-high, but they've been well met and most of the fans of Umineko and Higurashi are having a great time with this and trying to understand what exactly is happening Yeh..god save us, you to - fucking wrong. Who's are you talking about? Who are this "most of the fans of Umineko and Higurashi" Any place that isn't MAL LOL, broaden your views. random_weirdo said: Out of all the characters that have gone mad uncharacteristically, the only one you don't like is Mion? I'm geniunely curious, is it because you're a Mion fan and feel it's a disservice to her character? Or is it because she simply shouldn't be getting the syndrome according to pre-established rules? Because if it's the latter, I think you should feel the same way about 4/6 of the characters who have become terminal in Nekodamashi. If it's the former, it's understandable :) There is obviously something very wrong with the whole situation so I wouldn't say anyone has "uncharacteristically" gone mad. I don't know what world Rika has ended up in but something is making people go mad and not the same way as the first series, so those rules don't seem to apply any longer. Regarding Mion, it's honestly just the fact that Rika stated in the VN that Mion was the only one that has never caught the Hinamizawa syndrome during the whole 100 years. So honestly it's not as a critique as much as something I really like and would've liked to stay the same |
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Jean-Antoine said: "Found an answer"? Please, tell me! Well, it’s the closest thing to an answer we’ve got so far and I’ve been wanting to declare that for a while so I just couldn’t help but do so xD. On a more serious note though, we got the hint that the last five deaths in particular if not more has been due to Rika-chan’s wish of leaving the area. |
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| the beginning.. satoko why? so gruesome i had to skip a lot of it T^T good ending? right? right? takano why u here...... |
| To hopefully save this disaster. |
Jean-Antoine said: I will say this one more time: Moral: if your life is suffering and everybody in the world trying to do it even worst - don't you dare trying to escape or ask about help - your friends, family and whole socium will judge you, AND if you try'd to kill yourself and end this suffering - then GOD judges you with MORE suffering...good moral. Is that the answer? Maybe something along those lines, who knows. |
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| [quote=random_weirdo message=61768356][quote=Lil-Bird message=61767047] Jin_uzuki said: Satoko now is such an Oyashiro-sama and Hinamizawa fanatic that it would make Rena look tame. The "curse" can make you act out of character, but not actually change your beliefs. We know that Satoko resented Oyashiro-sama for cursing her in Tatarigoroshi and the villagers for ostracising her. Why would she suddenly do a 180 and start killing the unbelievers? Satoko would never resent Rika for going away. In fact, she would have gone away with her, not only because of the reasons mentioned above, but also because she literally would have to, since there are no higher education schools in Hinamizawa. If that's all paranoia-induced talk, like Rena saying Satoshi was cursed because he wanted to leave the village, that's fine by me. But if it's, like some fans have speculated, the reason for Satoko to be looping Rika/helping the villain, then it's complete BS. Rika hating Hinamizawa so much and wanting to leave ASAP also seems a bit off. To make it clear, I think it's absolutely valid for her to hate the village and she can leave whenever she wants. It's just that this was never represented at all in Higurashi. Sure, Rika could be tired of her life, jaded and cynical, rude when she got fed up. But she cared so much about the village (especially Satoko) that she decided to help with the research instead of robbing a bank and moving to Paris to drink wine. She talked about how much she hated boredom, repeating stuff and her deaths, but never about hating the village. This. You said it better than I could. Satoko and Rika's characters, and Hinamaziwa syndrome itself, were completely changed for this episode. Rika's desire to get away from this "hick of a town" was never once mentioned before. Throughout the entire series Rika's goals were to live peacefully in Hinamizawa with her friends because she loved the village and (most) of the people who lived there. To run away from the village as soon as she perceived that everything was fixed came completely out of left field. And Satoko being a true believer of the deity makes no sense. Her level 5 would more than likely make her hate Oyashiro-sama and their worshippers even more. Also R07 has no idea how the human body works whatsoever. I forgave a few of the first scenes, like Rena stabbing Keiichi in the first arc, as 'hallucinations' that the characters had of the events, but I'm now just starting to believe that R07 truly thinks that multiple stab wounds with blood splattered everywhere and ripping out multiple intestines is about as painful as a punch to the stomach. Even the gore that this show is clearly going for just becomes silly and loses that shock value a few minutes in because of how unrealistic and over the top it is. This season is just copying most elements from the originals and doing them (for the most part) worse and unnecessary and eye-rolling levels of gore. And if R07 really does want his shows to portray taking care of kids, that message gets completely lost when his most popular series has pedophilic jokes and borderline sexualization regarding the characters established as 12 year olds (Kira is the worst with this in terms of the animated versions of this series, though I'm not sure if he had anything to do with that one). It was a problem when the first show came out and it's even more of a problem now. EDIT: I'm a complete boomer when it comes to quote posting on this site |
AlfonseJan 22, 2021 11:02 AM
| Welp. There goes my appetite. Haven't felt this emotionally numb since Rebellion's ending. It'll be fun to see the live reaction of those watching the episode on Discord. Lulz |
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| It was awful - actually got sick cause I was eating lol. |
jaw201 said: Jin_uzuki said: That's not relevant to what I said. They launched a new Higurashi anime and a new gacha at the same time with the same new character design, can you not see the obvious marketing ploy? Not be something completely different. Except it's not something compelled different. The characters are the same, the setting is the same, heck even the same bakeshit unfit character design is doing the art for the show AND the Gacha. Last week Akasaka went insane and guess who made an appearance in the gacha? Who gives a shit if the plot isn't the same? You think they launched a gacha and an anime (and a manga and probably a bunch of extra shit) at the very same time just "By coincidence"? They want to rekindle old fans love for Higurashi and get people into it so they play the gacha and spend 200$ trying to get Pope Rika. If it's a marketing ploy for anything it's probably going to be for some sort of umineko anime. This makes totally sense, make a Higurashi anime just to market another anime that didn't even sell much and was considered a flop in Japan, for a novel that is notoriously controversial there and incredibly difficult to adapt, and do that by having zero characters from said anime (Novel) up to episode 16. You are a genius! |
Jin_uzukiJan 22, 2021 11:00 AM
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Jin_uzuki said: No objections. Opening up a sealed story has a big chance of turning into a shitty sequel.Jean-Antoine said: Stop asking for endless sequels about stories that are finished and done.so, what's moral of the story? ssjokg said: Don't mistake my conjectures as if I'm whiteknighting Gou or anything of the sort. I was just trying to find some sense, but there is none. They really fucked up, and I agree it might be overconfidence on the script. That thing about Himatsubushi, I thought it was confusing because the fragment changed, but no, I didn't realize that the very scene contradicted itself to a point that no change in the past would make sense.People still trusting R07 with Gou remind me of Battler in EP6. Totally oblivious to the disaster that is currently happening due to overconfidence in the script. How fitting, Battler was making up bullshit as the story was unfolding and seems that the same goes for R07 in Gou. The difference is that Battler getting wrecked is always fun. Seeing the actual writer mess up this much for no reason is just sad. random_weirdo said: Not gonna lie, when it was Mion I really thought they weren't exchanged from birth, it was sort of an interesting way to reject that Mion snapped as well. But my first thoughts were that she really snapped, the theory was something I read here.Out of all the characters that have gone mad uncharacteristically, the only one you don't like is Mion? I'm geniunely curious, is it because you're a Mion fan and feel it's a disservice to her character? Or is it because she simply shouldn't be getting the syndrome according to pre-established rules? Because if it's the latter, I think you should feel the same way about 4/6 of the characters who have become terminal in Nekodamashi. If it's the former, it's understandable :) Then Ooishi snaps and goes straight to Rika, considering that if he was delusional on his own, his paranoia would normally grow towards the Sonozakis. After these two, which are quite stable-minded characters, something was really off. Then we have that killing spree which most of them don't really make sense at all. Akane acted like Shion, but her mind is probably cooler than Mion's. Akasaka I'm not gonna even comment. Kimiyoshi was the only one that actually had a little kind of sense. By sense I mean sacrificing to quell the anger of Oyashiro-sama. His mind still needed to me extremely fucked up for him to do any harm to the village's pet. From all of them, Kimiyoshi's probably the only story I wanted to see a full arc, but they decided on this remake/sequel approach instead. Perhaps Satoko, but not much, I'm just wondering by what means she got rid of everyone. She was only able to harm Keiichi in a very specific location, the bridge. She'd have to rely on deadly traps. |
rafaelfserafimJan 22, 2021 11:09 AM
| Gotta say, if Ryukishi was hoping that the success of Gou (more like "Gomi") would mean a remake adaptation of Umineko would be in the works, I no longer have faith in it unless he takes it to another studio with a director whose résumé isn't filled to the brim with nothing but romcoms. |
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| @rafaelfserafim I wasnt aiming that towards you. |
| Whoa.. This damn episode was so fucking hard to watch man, i was with my hands on my stomach the whole time.. So, in the end, it was Satoko to finish off Rika, and in that insanely gruesome way, i wasn't expecting something of this calibre tbh. But... i think the episode, besides being gruesome, it was really weird as well, Rika "finally came to the conclusion that she loves the village and her friends", but damn son, why do i think she is getting brainwashed into thinking like that xd I wouldn't blame her at all for wanting to just scram off from Hinamizawa after all the continuous failed loops and mistreating.. There is still something behind the scenes that we still don't know about, we'll see. Now we seem to be witnessing a perfect world, but that ending... Why Takano now tho? The events seem kinda random at this point xd Waiting for next week |
WaterLordJan 22, 2021 11:37 AM
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| I know you weren't lol, I was just stating |
random_weirdo said: And what's even more funny to me, while 2006 was criticized for the excessive gore, GOU was praised for the lack of it.It's funny to me because the gore in the 2006 adaptation was one of the things criticised the most by VN fans. But after the last three eps of Gou, everything there seems tame by comparison And like we now see, this is how things turned out. Most of the GOU defenders have had no idea what they've been talking about and been most eager to jump into false conclusions. _MushiRock11_ said: Least expected? By who? heh.Satoko, the least expected perpetrator, turned out to be the most brutal. Yikes. |
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ssjokg said: kagmole said: It was one hell of a plot armor. And the "gore" in the OG anime was more subtle for sure... The gore in the og was something you could find in many violent anime. Higurashi is remembered because of the build up to those scenes and the pay off. Now we have to just sit back and enjoy sudden Rika torture. How did it come to this? Yeah, I agree. This is more or less what I meant by "more subtle". It is good if it's just an element for the build up, not only that... well maybe some people enjoyed that scene, but if I wanted to see a girl make mashed potatoes with guts, I would have watch a cooking show. random_weirdo said: It's funny to me because the gore in the 2006 adaptation was one of the things criticised the most by VN fans. But after the last three eps of Gou, everything there seems tame by comparison |
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Hulio said: And like we now see, this is how things turned out. Most of the GOU defenders have had no idea what they've been talking about and been most eager to jump into false conclusions. You don't have to twist the knife. |
jaw201 said: ssjokg said: People still trusting R07 with Gou remind me of Battler in EP6. Totally oblivious to the disaster that is currently happening due to overconfidence in the script. How fitting, Battler was making up bullshit as the story was unfolding and seems that the same goes for R07 in Gou. The difference is that Battler getting wrecked is always fun. Seeing the actual writer mess up this much for no reason is just sad. Cynicism isn't criticism. >Battler was making up bullshit as the story was unfolding and seems that the same goes for R07 in Gou. Holy shit, are you fucking kidding me! LMAO. You don't understand why Battler committed the logic error in episode 6, do you? please tell me that it was an intentional 4D chess 5000 IQ move on his part. |
| I have to read up on Higurashi to remind myself what happened in the original run. I'm more confused then ever on where we are going. But from reading up has this episode does this mean a potential reveal of Again I'm still catching up in my head all events of Gou and previous and other incarnations. |
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jaw201 said: >Cynicism isn't criticism >continues to be more cynical The reason why Battler committed the logic error was because he didn't understand the truth of the game boards but everything he had done, had enabled the solution to occur. The irony is that you don't understand the truth of what is happening in Gou either and you think that there is no meaning behind anything. Acting like a child and claiming that a work sucks when you don't get it is the irony here. *jjjamesonlaugh* I have seen fanboys making shit up but at least they were trying. At this point you must be trolling. |
jaw201 said: ssjokg said: *jjjamesonlaugh* I have seen fanboys making shit up but at least they were trying. At this point you must be trolling. You are pretty much the only one trolling at this point. Said the person that replies to anyone daring to say that this is a bad series. |
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