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| Lolicons are scum. BABYMETAL is more metal than Metallica. Naruto is objectively the best anime ever. HxH 99' is decent. HxH 11' is bad. |
| Just keep feeding them good accessible normie shit until they are able to find more on their own |
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| Full Metal Alchemist 2003 and SAO are great gateway anime for newbies. |
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| The great responsibility of creating new fans A) doesn't exist and B) is fucking creepy. You should only encourage it if they express some kind of interest in the first place. Jesus fucking christ, it's not a religion. ------- Anyway, since they have expressed interest, just don't fucking bother guiding them towards anything. They are not babies in your care. They have the capabilities to make their own fucking choices. Don't worry about them. If you actually want to help, point them to MAL or AniList or wherever. Show them the Database and maybe help them learn navigate it to find shit they're interested in. Let them make their own choices. Unless they specifically ask you for recs, they can handle this shit themselves. If they do ask you for recs, make sure you know what they're interested in and tailor a rec around them as individuals rather than throwing some fucking "gateway" bullshit at the wall. If you don't know what they're interested in, ask "Well golly, what are you interested in?" and work your way from there. It's so much easier than you're making it out to be. |
ManabanMar 25, 2020 1:28 PM
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| trial by fire. Rec them them siscon and loli anime |
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rohan121 said: Full Metal Alchemist 2003 and SAO are great gateway anime for newbies. SAO, maybe but FMA 2003 definitely not. If anything, the best gateway anime is "Death Note" - Simple to follow, not too many tropes thrown in your face and just an addicting story to follow. |
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| ask them what genres/categories they might be interested in, & suggest some from there. if they don't know at all, summarize a few shows you like & what genres they fall into- see if they like any of those. Doing those two helped a lot getting some of my friends into anime. |
epidemia78 said: trial by fire. Rec them them siscon and loli anime This. I like this. I fully support this idea. QuantumNekomancy said: Manaban said: The great responsibility of creating new fans is fucking creepy and you should only encourage it if they express some kind of interest in the first place. Jesus fucking christ, it's not a religion. They asked what to watch and I jokingly said "anime". Then they watched some anime and now they want more and think that I probably know what is good and what isn't. And that part is the responsibility. Not the converting itself. Read the rest of my post that I edited in later. There's a very easy, sensible solution to this without being a fucking creep about it. |
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| When I started out watching anime my friends thought it was just childish shit and porn. They still think so, or most of them. But I did get a few to start watching a few shows. I had a friend that loved MMA and so on, so I got him watching Ippo. I got another friend that are into games like Tibia and WoW so it was easy to get him watching a few fantasy shows. A good way to get friends to watch anime is to go after their hobbies if they have any :) |
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QuantumNekomancy said: If you know they are in the mood to watch anime AND they don't know what to watch and ask you for recs, then...So I might have accidentaly made two of my friends anime fans, and now I don't really know what next. Should I just aimlessly suggest my own favourites or guide them to Evangelion ect.? What about manga and long running shows and all weird stuff? Is this even safe? I don't even know myself, if I'm joking right now or not. I just got some reason to start my first thread. If you know their tastes, then suggest them something that fits what they want to see. If you don't know their tastes, but are okay with you talking about yours, then "aimlessly suggesting your own favorites" is better than trying to tell them there's some sort of Official List Of Anime Everyone Should Watch. Because, first, there is no such official list, and second, it's much nicer to hear someone talking about something they genuinely like, than to have them try to tell me how to be a proper fan of something. The latter is annoying. QuantumNekomancy said: Ask them, casually, what they liked about what they saw, or what they are interested in seeing more of. Recommend them something based on that.They asked what to watch and I jokingly said "anime". Then they watched some anime and now they want more and think that I probably know what is good and what isn't. And that part is the responsibility. Not the converting itself. If for some reason they can't say what they enjoyed about what they watched, then just recommend them your faves. Less boring than following some fan-declared canon anyway. |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 25, 2020 1:38 PM
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GlennMagusHarvey said: QuantumNekomancy said: If you know they are in the mood to watch anime AND they don't know what to watch and ask you for recs, then...So I might have accidentaly made two of my friends anime fans, and now I don't really know what next. Should I just aimlessly suggest my own favourites or guide them to Evangelion ect.? What about manga and long running shows and all weird stuff? Is this even safe? I don't even know myself, if I'm joking right now or not. I just got some reason to start my first thread. If you know their tastes, then suggest them something that fits what they want to see. If you don't know their tastes, but are okay with you talking about yours, then "aimlessly suggesting your own favorites" is better than trying to tell them there's some sort of Official List Of Anime Everyone Should Watch. Because, first, there is no such official list, and second, it's much nicer to hear someone talking about something they genuinely like, than to have them try to tell me how to be a proper fan of something. The latter is annoying. operationvalkyri said: I agree with these entirely.Let them watch what they want to watch and figure it out themselves unless they ask you for recs. https://prnt.sc/rms0t6 gimme an explanation glenn,, what's got your knickers in a twist this time |
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Manaban said: I originally quoted operationvalkyri and you (specifically "The great responsibility of creating new fans A) doesn't exist and B) is fucking creepy. You should only encourage it if they express some kind of interest in the first place.").gimme an explanation glenn,, what's got your knickers in a twist this time Then I read further into the thread and realized that OP had further clarified their situation, so I erased both quotes and replaced that with a reply to their later message. Reanot said: I also agree with telling them to ignore YouTubers...but only if they bring it up in front of OP. Otherwise OP should just not even mention YouTubers at all.Make sure they stay away from the YouTube community besides Glass Reflection and early Gigguk. One Mother's Basement or Digibro video is enough to scare away anyone. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Manaban said: I originally quoted operationvalkyri and you (specifically "The great responsibility of creating new fans A) doesn't exist and B) is fucking creepy. You should only encourage it if they express some kind of interest in the first place.").gimme an explanation glenn,, what's got your knickers in a twist this time Then I read further into the thread and realized that OP had further clarified their situation, so I erased both quotes and replaced that with a reply to their later message. Damn, I wanted to start a pointless flame war but now you swept the rug out from under me Now I'm annoyed |
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| I thought you were asking for your friends, but then you mentioned Evangelion, so are they your enemies or? I'm asking because understanding Evangelion demands the highest level of otaku enlightment, only the chosen few will ever be able to appreciate the perfection and deep symbolism of the great message of this piece of post-modern post-truth positive proto-depression. This means, recommending it to someone that's not ready for it will throw them in a state of life contemplation that may lead them to becoming socially apathetic, or, in good and simple english, an useless couch potato that daily indulges in LSD. This is your great responsability: don't continue spreading the Evangelion virus, stay at home and let that rec die by flattening the curve. Anyways, just show them the top 50 of MAL, they're totally representative of the good anime out there, no doubt about it. |
KosmonautMar 25, 2020 1:50 PM
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| @Manaban - lol, sorry about that Kosmonaut said: ehh not really; Evangelion was one of the first few anime series I watched, and was responsible for convincing me that the anime medium was capable of serious dramatic storytelling.I'm asking because understanding Evangelion demands the highest level of otaku enlightment, only the chosen few will ever be able to appreciate the perfection and deep symbolism of the great message of this piece of post-modern post-truth positive proto-depression. This means, recommending it to someone that's not ready for it will throw them in a state of life contemplation that may lead them to becoming apathetic, or, in good and simple english, an useless potato. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Did you manage to wrap your head around such complex storytelling? I guess my church's priest was right when he said there are the ones that are chosen by God to be destined to great things. I was under the impression it was just a means to justify why the rich get richer and the poor have to accept their suffering for a promise of eternal life if they're good bois. Trust me, my knowledge of the judeo-christian mythos is as deep as Hideaki Anno's, so I can't possibly be wrong.Kosmonaut said: ehh not really; Evangelion was one of the first few anime series I watched, and was responsible for convincing me that the anime medium was capable of serious dramatic storytelling.I'm asking because understanding Evangelion demands the highest level of otaku enlightment, only the chosen few will ever be able to appreciate the perfection and deep symbolism of the great message of this piece of post-modern post-truth positive proto-depression. This means, recommending it to someone that's not ready for it will throw them in a state of life contemplation that may lead them to becoming apathetic, or, in good and simple english, an useless potato. |
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Kosmonaut said: ...I'm not sure it was all that complex?GlennMagusHarvey said: Did you manage to wrap your head around such complex storytelling? I guess my church's priest was right when he said there are the ones that are chosen by God to be destined to great things. I was under the impression it was just a means to justify why the rich get richer and the poor have to accept their suffering for a promise of eternal life if they're good bois. Trust me, my knowledge of the judeo-christian mythos is as deep as Hideaki Anno's, so I can't possibly be wrong.ehh not really; Evangelion was one of the first few anime series I watched, and was responsible for convincing me that the anime medium was capable of serious dramatic storytelling. I mean, the main theme of the story is basically that Shinji is being forced/manipulated/socially-compelled by the people and circumstances around him to do things and take risks that he really has no good reason to do otherwise and this can be seen as a metaphor for basically forcing him to mature, in ways that arguably aren't healthy for him. The story is the emotional journey of the increasingly desperate situations he's forced into, and how he reacts to these circumstances. The Angels and the other Abrahamic/eschatological symbolism essentially implies that these situations are the weight of destiny (the will of God, and not necessarily a friendly one) bearing on him. The rest of the cast is populated by the characters surrounding him, and among them the most sympathetic is Asuka, who may seem unfriendly at first but is deeply a victim of destiny herself. |
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epidemia78 said: So that's why we only get weirdo's and freaks for the most part.trial by fire. Rec them them siscon and loli anime PrOxAnto said: I'm deeply insulted .rohan121 said: Full Metal Alchemist 2003 and SAO are great gateway anime for newbies. SAO, maybe but FMA 2003 definitely not. If anything, the best gateway anime is "Death Note" - Simple to follow, not too many tropes thrown in your face and just an addicting story to follow. |
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Preferable than having the community flooded with Death Note normies or worse, people who spell weirdos with an apostrophe. |
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epidemia78 said: Death Note normies are already among us, they're just a decade older now!Preferable than having the community flooded with Death Note normies or worse, people who spell weirdos with an apostrophe. Also, yes, that's how I came to join MAL. I spelled weirdo's with an apostrophe and now I'm eternally bound to this forum to suffer. |
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QuantumNekomancy said: So I might have accidentaly made two of my friends anime fans, and now I don't really know what next. Should I just aimlessly suggest my own favourites or guide them to Evangelion ect.? What about manga and long running shows and all weird stuff? Is this even safe? I don't even know myself, if I'm joking right now or not. I just got some reason to start my first thread. Three easy steps: 1.) Ask what genres they like. 2.) Ask what settings they want. 3.) Give them your best (in your opinion) anime that fits those things. The worst thing they can say is "I don't know". In that case you are free to suggest what you want. |
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| Recommend them naruto, sao, one piece, boku no pico...etc. Once they've seen the worst anime has to offer you can then guide them to the right path of good cute girls doing cute things and slice of life shows. |
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Manaban said: The great responsibility of creating new fans A) doesn't exist and B) is fucking creepy. You should only encourage it if they express some kind of interest in the first place. Jesus fucking christ, it's not a religion. ------- Anyway, since they have expressed interest, just don't fucking bother guiding them towards anything. They are not babies in your care. They have the capabilities to make their own fucking choices. Don't worry about them. If you actually want to help, point them to MAL or AniList or wherever. Show them the Database and maybe help them learn navigate it to find shit they're interested in. Let them make their own choices. Unless they specifically ask you for recs, they can handle this shit themselves. If they do ask you for recs, make sure you know what they're interested in and tailor a rec around them as individuals rather than throwing some fucking "gateway" bullshit at the wall. If you don't know what they're interested in, ask "Well golly, what are you interested in?" and work your way from there. It's so much easier than you're making it out to be. Okay, but why are you so angry, though? You want me to get the doll, so you can show me if OP touched you in the bad place? Otherwise, your shitty, confrontational attitude is completely uncalled for. |
| What I do is just show people what I like. Recommending super safe stuff is lame sauce. Gotta convert people into freaks. |
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Stygian_Prisoner said: Okay, but why are you so angry, though? You want me to get the doll, so you can show me if OP touched you in the bad place? Otherwise, your shitty, confrontational attitude is completely uncalled for. Ah, sorry. The judgement and lecturing coming from some guy I've never seen before on an anime forum is overwhelming me. I'll never do it again. I pwomise! Who the fuck are you and why are you bothering me? |
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Tylaen said: You know I'm right though :)epidemia78 said: So that's why we only get weirdo's and freaks for the most part.trial by fire. Rec them them siscon and loli anime PrOxAnto said: I'm deeply insulted .SAO, maybe but FMA 2003 definitely not. If anything, the best gateway anime is "Death Note" - Simple to follow, not too many tropes thrown in your face and just an addicting story to follow. |
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| Hmm... I’m the first in my whole family including relatives to watch anime, and I introduced anime to many of my cousins, and it ends there, because after all, they have their own taste of anime. With or without my recommendations, they will end up watching anime I like and dislike. |
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Manaban said: Ah, sorry. The judgement and lecturing coming from some guy I've never seen before on an anime forum is overwhelming me. I'll never do it again. I pwomise! Who the fuck are you and why are you bothering me?* Why does it matter who i am or whether you know me or not? This is a public forum, is it not? That means i can address whoever i want about whatever they say. I would think that you'd be familiar with this simple concept since, judging by your post count, you're clearly much more active in these forums than i am. Or, do you expect me to believe that you always ask this* same insipid question everytime somebody responds to you in a discussion? |
Stygian_PrisonerMar 25, 2020 8:44 PM
Because you're trying to lecture me about my attitude. Full stop right there. Spare me your long winded bullshit about how it's a public forum. It's not at all, it's a privately-owned website, but whatever, you can say or think whatever you want for all I care. But again - who the fuck are you, and why should I care about whether or not you think I'm acting like an asshole? |
ManabanMar 25, 2020 8:44 PM
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| Is... is this a cult now? X'D But in all seriousness, you can't really recommend them stuff to watch if you don't know their preferences. Ask them what genres they tend to gravitate towards, and from there you can suggest a couple. Maybe start with more mainstream ones that a lot of people who get into anime for the first time tend to like. Stuff like Death Note (which I can vouch is very good) or Boku no Hero Academia, which a lot of people like, or my personal rec - Kimetsu no Yaiba. But really, being an anime fan is very, very broad, because there are just so many different genres that vary wildly from each other. Slice-of-life, for example, is VERY different from psychological. So maybe look through the genres here, find one or two that you'd think is a good gateway to that specific genre, and then if they tell you what they prefer you have something ready. |
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gwendal738 said: Is... is this a cult now? X'D It's always been one. Look at how many threads we get about gateway anime and trying to whittle down the best possible recs to create new converts as we can, and how many supportive responses those tend to receive. "Why do people hate weebs? It has to be because of the tits and fanservice and shit. The stuff that's everywhere in media. It's not all because we act overbearing and weird about our hobby." |
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Manaban said: Because you're trying to lecture me about my attitude. Full stop right there. Spare me your long winded bullshit about how it's a public forum. It's not at all, it's a privately-owned website, but whatever, you can say or think whatever you want for all I care. But again - who the fuck are you, and why should I care about whether or not you think I'm acting like an asshole? You don't have to care (assholes are rarely self-aware enough to do so) or listen to me, of course; i'm not your dad. But that won't stop me from calling you out on your toxic behavior because, while OP's idea of "recommendation responsibility" is admittedly silly, i truly fail to see how it would be offensive enough to warrant such an aggressive, profanity-fueled response from you. But anyway, if acting like a prick is what helps you get your rocks off then, by all means, you don't have to stop on my account (you obviously won't). Do carry on with your pitiable self. |
Nefelupitou said: Yes, you should guide them to Evangelion. Every person on earth should watch Evangelion, you may not enjoy in the end, but it's one of the must watch anime. "may not enjoy in the end" So basically DitF |
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| The responsibility to convert new anime fans is indeed great. It's so great that you should be asking your nearest Japanese consulate about it, not random kids on an internet forum. In recommending anime with the intention to convert fans, you are essentially behaving as an ambassador to Japan, nay, all Japanese people. This sacred duty is not one to be taken lightly. Succeed and you've done the world a service. Fail and you've done incalculable damage. Without going into specifics, I can say this. Your recommendations, weighty a choice as they are, must fall lightly like sakura blossoms. Anime recommendation do yes, or anime recommendation do no. Anime recommendation do "Should I just aimlessly suggest my own favourites?" get squish like grape.  Just an inspirational image to remind you of the gravity of your commitment to converting anime fans. |
You're absolutely right. So I don't think I will. Nice discussion. I'm glad we came to an understanding. |
ManabanMar 26, 2020 6:30 AM
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AquaMailman said: I'm proud to say I got that reference. Thank you for your funny post.The responsibility to convert new anime fans is indeed great. It's so great that you should be asking your nearest Japanese consulate about it, not random kids on an internet forum. In recommending anime with the intention to convert fans, you are essentially behaving as an ambassador to Japan, nay, all Japanese people. This sacred duty is not one to be taken lightly. Succeed and you've done the world a service. Fail and you've done incalculable damage. Without going into specifics, I can say this. Your recommendations, weighty a choice as they are, must fall lightly like sakura blossoms. Anime recommendation do yes, or anime recommendation do no. Anime recommendation do "Should I just aimlessly suggest my own favourites?" get squish like grape. Just an inspirational image to remind you of the gravity of your commitment to converting anime fans. |
Eyyy, look at that. Someone even likes my posts, so now I have more of an incentive to keep doing what I've been doing. Isn't that just great? KatekyoGirl76 said: Manaban said: You're absolutely right. So I don't think I will. Nice discussion. I'm glad we came to an understanding. Your dry sense of humor is incredibly amazing. Please keep posting silliness. Thanks! |
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