| I'm a person who prefers eng dub, and will always watch eng dub if it's available. and many anime watchers seems to get offended when i tell them i watch dubbed anime. I just think it's a hassle to have to read while watching, and i'm an english speaker, so why would i watch something in japanese, when english is available for me. It's just more pleasant to watch something you can understand, without having to read some subtitles. |
| It's the same kind of thing as when people look down on others for drinking good whisky from the "wrong kind of glass." They feel you're missing out on the full experience and thus assume you have less authority to offer your opinion on it. Who cares what they think? You do you. |
| I'm the same way. If there is an English dub at my fingertips I'm gonna watch it. Some people usually think the sub is better because there are things that are like... left out of the dub or something so they prefer to watch the direct translation because when people make the scripts for dub they can't go off of like the subtitles in sub because they don't always fit, or they aren't the best translation ect ect. I hope this answers your question?? lol |
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| As long as you don't watch Gintama dubbed then we good. |
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| Some dubs remove some content of the source material though it does not apply to all dubs. I also prefer dubs if they are not changed too much. |
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| I could give a response in terms vagueness but I feel posting these 2 YT videos that came to mind would be more productive tbh |
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| elitism. just a way for people to feel like they are better than others, even when it's about something so insignificant. i personally flip flop on whether i watch dubs or subs depending on which i think sounds better. or sometimes i want to do something else while watching a show and it's a hassle to have to stare at the screen so i understand every single dialogue |
| People whining about about how bad the dub is, despite choosing the dub, and then criticizing the anime for it is really annoying. |
| Nothing inherently wrong with liking dubs, it's just kinda weird to watch them when there's a better alternative imo |
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| Obviously people(including me) have their reasons to watch anime subbed,but you do you buddy,watching anime dubbed is no reason to be looked down upon. |
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| Dubs have been getting better over time as the industry gets bigger in the West and gets better VA but usually the original is just better. Anime is a very extreme medium where you get a bunch of emotional scenes where people yell Into microphones and the dubs often fail to reach that extreme . That's why so many people don't like the dubs . Although the times of truly awful dubs are pretty much over |
In short : because it usually reaches the intended extreme while dubs mostly don't More often then not the original of something ends up being better then the imitation of something. It's the same with books that are translated. Many people prefer to read a book in its original form if they are able to I live in Germany and the cinemas here regularly show American movies in English because many people prefer the better version over one that is less of a hassle |
| The Geek Hierarchy is from 2002 and mentions this eternal split. I wish the animosity would end. It used to be we could only see certain series dubbed on TV or official release and that was pretty annoying. Also pre-DVD we had to choose between sub or dub on VHS and it might be a big deal, especially since it was annoying that most companies would charge $5-$10 more for the sub "because the fans will pay it" even though the sub version was cheaper to make, seemingly having sub fans pay for bad dubs. But we're long past those days. Most releases are dual language (get with the times Pokemon) and we can usually find the version we want as long as it exists because of the internet. I personally do watch some dubs but prefer to see anime in the original language 99% of the time. Way back I remember the "subbie" (me!) was the one who got the hate and teased for "reading instead of watching" or something, but it seems the popular opinion has changed. Why should it matter so much? Sure, I dislike some adaptations, but in general people who dislike anime fans will dislike us no matter which version we watch. Let's compare and contrast but not personal attack or look down on either preference. |
prepare4troubleMar 13, 2020 1:18 PM
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| I've watched anime with both and it's more of a preference to be honest. Personally I can't stand how some of the chars sound in dubbed compared to subbed but depends on the VA really for me. Also sometimes translations are an issue and not accurate but is what it is. I prefer subbed to dubbed myself but people will hate on everything and anything, do what you like. |
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| I don't hate people who watch dub but I feel like if you watch dub, you're missing out on a lot. Like in my opinion, English voice actors CANNOT do what the Japanese voice actors do. And Japanese voices just fit much better than English voices. I will never watch dubbed anime because, to me, I just cringe real hard. But if you watch dub, you do whatever floats on your boat |
| OH GOD , WHAT A HERETIC Jokes aside, you can watch it however you want, no one should dictate the way you should anime, and the arguments of not wanting to read while watching and wanting to hear a language that you are familiar with and understand are valid. As for me I believe that watching the original of anything is better because some dubs ruin the original context, and sometimes there are cultural things that can't be translated properly. So my overall conclusion: Subs are superior to dubs People that watches subs are not superior to dub watchers and vice versa ( but idiots exist on both sides) |
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| @evve1234 It doesn't seem like hate for dub watchers is as common as hate for dubs, though. Are you sure you're not just conflating their apprehension/negative response towards dubs with negative responses towards you for watching them? There's a world of differences between hating an audience and hating a product still. If it's about the audience, it can really seep through in their language and word choice and be different than the product. Does anybody insinuate you're lesser in some way? Do they talk to you like you're not a real fan or something that devalues your own validity in enjoying something? Or are they just responding negatively to you saying that you like dubs because they hate dubs? 'Cause like, when you say this: and many anime watchers seems to get offended when i tell them i watch dubbed anime. I just think it's a hassle to have to read while watching, and i'm an english speaker, so why would i watch something in japanese, when english is available for me. It's just more pleasant to watch something you can understand, without having to read some subtitles. Then it kind of sounds less like an issue people are having with you and more just that they dislike the product. Not bringing up any personal attacks or anything that gives credit to people actually hating dub fans for being dub fans, just that a lot of people you talk to tend to hate dubs and then you come here defend their quality. And, if that's the case, there's a difference between somebody telling me that they think ecchi is shit and them telling me that ecchi is made for the lowest common denominator. The former isn't implicitly attacking me as a person, the latter is. The former isn't insulting to me as a member of that audience, but the latter is. The same type of logic would apply to dubs. So, by all means, give more detail before these goddamn Hachiman LARPing AD regulars start trying to immediately make it a matter of how unfair and tribal social dynamics are. And regardless of further detail, there's a large amount of dub fans out there still. And I don't give a shit what you watch either way, personally, and I'm very doubtful that I'm alone in that. Not like it's a business that's at risk of dying, dubs have an audience that exists and enjoy watching anime dubbed. Just find the right people to talk with, ones that meld you with you and can help you achieve what you actually want to talk about more. |
ManabanMar 13, 2020 2:45 PM
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Takuto_Shindou said: It all started when funimation fanboys kept praising their bad porno DBZ dub while calling people who prefered the original source material "weebs" It's a murican vs weebs eternal showdown Don't make excuses for people who hate dubs most of them just hate dubs for no real reason at all. |
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| “You won’t get the full experience wahhh wahh you’re not a true fan” While I’m not a fan of dubs (other than Trigun and bebop, now THATS a dub) some people just like to be pissy because some people don’t like subtitles. Which is stupid. People just care too much. If you enjoy dubs good for you man, you’ll be able to meet the voice actors way easier too. I’ve met maes hughes’ dub actor once...and vic mignogna before....that shit going on with him... |
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| The opposite happens too. Literally multiple people here were like "they are just anime elitists". Basically just being the bad side of the opposite point. Personally I prefer subs. I think watching anything in its original language is how it should be. I also feel the voice acting "market" in Japan is a lot more competitive to how dubbing anime is in the west. But it honestly just comes down to a personal preference of course, but sometimes I see someone complain about the voice acting for a show saying there were no stand out moments, and thought it was hilarious they watched the show dubbed. tldr It is just a personal preference, but both sides of the coin can be toxic towards each other. |
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Calal-Chan said: The opposite happens too. Literally multiple people here were like "they are just anime elitists". Basically just being the bad side of the opposite point. Personally I prefer subs. I think watching anything in its original language is how it should be. I also feel the voice acting "market" in Japan is a lot more competitive to how dubbing anime is in the west. But it honestly just comes down to a personal preference of course, but sometimes I see someone complain about the voice acting for a show saying there were no stand out moments, and thought it was hilarious they watched the show dubbed. tldr It is just a personal preference, but both sides of the coin can be toxic towards each other. Perfectly described... but it's just people being toxic in general. You can't say your opinion in front of people without getting criticized by someone |
guych said: I don't hate people who watch dub but I feel like if you watch dub, you're missing out on a lot. Like in my opinion, English voice actors CANNOT do what the Japanese voice actors do. And Japanese voices just fit much better than English voices. I will never watch dubbed anime because, to me, I just cringe real hard. But if you watch dub, you do whatever floats on your boat Exactly this. Japanese VAs are of the highest quality. English anime VAs never portray the emotions the same way Miyano Mamoru, Kaji Yuki, etc does. Plus many stuff can get lost in translation in dubs. If there's something that needs explaining, the subbers usually include is as a side note in the video. I guess it's mostly a problem for native English speakers, as some of them haven't gotten used to reading subtitles. When you get used to reading subtitles you start to read it subconsciously. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| It's typical elitist gatekeeping behaviour. I don't see any fault in people watching dubbed anime. If that's how you enjoy anime a lot more then go ahead. No one should force someone else to do something they don't want just because it's catering to their preference. I'm already used to reading subs all my life because English isn't my 1st language so when I was a kid I used to read subs watching western films until I got better at it |
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Kurgo said: Hahahaha I saw that Kiryu/Majima dance off gif in one yt video and can't pass that one upI'll definitely be stealing that sign to use it elsewhere mate, that's way too good :3 |
~Spiritual Healing~ |
| Ill always watch something in its original language if its available. Nothing wrong with watching Dubs(whatever floats your boat) but to me its reminiscent of watching old Godzilla or Kung Fu movies it all just seems off |
| It doesn't really matter, as in the end, the writer doesn't really have a voice actor in mind most of the time - the anime studios put people on the characters after the fact. However, a decent argument for sub > dub is that these characters are presented in Japanese culture with Japanese speech patterns and quirks, something often missed in English translations. |
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nanimeanswhat said: guych said: I don't hate people who watch dub but I feel like if you watch dub, you're missing out on a lot. Like in my opinion, English voice actors CANNOT do what the Japanese voice actors do. And Japanese voices just fit much better than English voices. I will never watch dubbed anime because, to me, I just cringe real hard. But if you watch dub, you do whatever floats on your boat Exactly this. Japanese VAs are of the highest quality. English anime VAs never portray the emotions the same way Miyano Mamoru, Kaji Yuki, etc does. Plus many stuff can get lost in translation in dubs. If there's something that needs explaining, the subbers usually include is as a side note in the video. I guess it's mostly a problem for native English speakers, as some of them haven't gotten used to reading subtitles. When you get used to reading subtitles you start to read it subconsciously. I think you are wrong about voice actors expressing emotion english dub voice actors can do it just as well if not better than seiyuu like for example the emotions of the characters that the voice actors play in these dubs MHA especially episode 14 of the 4th season also all of the emotional moments in FMA:B/ and Shield Hero and many more. |
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| Some dubs are great (I.e. Fruits Basket 2019) some are awful. Sub generally seems more “official” because that’s what was originally visioned by the production team. Since subbed is the original vision of the anime a lot of people think dubs are a worse way of viewing anime. It’s a stupid and meaningless debate, it doesn’t matter if you want to watch it dubbed over subbed the only thing that matters is that you’re enjoying what you’re watching. |
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nanimeanswhat said: guych said: I don't hate people who watch dub but I feel like if you watch dub, you're missing out on a lot. Like in my opinion, English voice actors CANNOT do what the Japanese voice actors do. And Japanese voices just fit much better than English voices. I will never watch dubbed anime because, to me, I just cringe real hard. But if you watch dub, you do whatever floats on your boat Exactly this. Japanese VAs are of the highest quality. English anime VAs never portray the emotions the same way Miyano Mamoru, Kaji Yuki, etc does. Plus many stuff can get lost in translation in dubs. If there's something that needs explaining, the subbers usually include is as a side note in the video. I guess it's mostly a problem for native English speakers, as some of them haven't gotten used to reading subtitles. When you get used to reading subtitles you start to read it subconsciously. Exactly, I'm a god at reading subtitles now and if I watch netflix, subtitles are always on even if it's english |
| Only betas watch dubbed animes, subs are sublime gtfo long live japanese |
| This is my signature |
| I hate dubs and think the voice acting is cringy, but if you like it that's fine to me. It's all a matter of perspective. But people who go for dubs because they're bothered by reading subtitles... Those people... |
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| It makes me mad that all my friends refuse to watch anime that has a English Dub in Japanese with English subs. Then they go all cringe when they hear the original Japanese version constantly bitching about it while I'm trying to watch the show. >_> You can enjoy a series both dubbed and subbed if both have good voice acting kinda like with Code Geass for example stellar performances from both sides. I love both Japanese and English dubs sure there are some exceptions on both sides where the voice acting on some characters ARE cringeworthy. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| I honestly watch both but there's definitely some elitism in there, which is beyond silly. I have a couple of japanese friends who occasionally like to watch subbed anime with me, they often say that this actor is bad or that line could have said a little bit better. I can't really tell, since I don't speak the language but I'll take their word for it. Currently watching castlevania on netflix and it has an amazing english voice cast. |
| "It's not like I wanted a signature or anything...BAKA!" - A MAL user. |
| "If you're not watching it the way I watch it, you're doing it wrong." |
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drstonefan said: nanimeanswhat said: Exactly this. Japanese VAs are of the highest quality. English anime VAs never portray the emotions the same way Miyano Mamoru, Kaji Yuki, etc does. Plus many stuff can get lost in translation in dubs. If there's something that needs explaining, the subbers usually include is as a side note in the video. I guess it's mostly a problem for native English speakers, as some of them haven't gotten used to reading subtitles. When you get used to reading subtitles you start to read it subconsciously. I think you are wrong about voice actors expressing emotion english dub voice actors can do it just as well if not better than seiyuu like for example the emotions of the characters that the voice actors play in these dubs MHA especially episode 14 of the 4th season also all of the emotional moments in FMA:B/ and Shield Hero and many more. Yet none of them are on the same level as god-tier VAs like the ones I mentioned (Miyano Mamoru and Kaji Yuki) |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| I mean getting offended how some random person watches anime is retarded but the fact that you're seriously asking why would i watch something in japanese, when english is available for me. without being able to figure out the advantages of watching the original version yourself, justifies making fun of you a little bit tbh :>. Like, everybody should watch how they want but if you don't understand a simple thing like why people would prefer the original version, the authentic experience, with less problematic translations issues and often more believable voice actors, then you can't complain about sub watchers not understanding why you prefer dub. It goes in both directions and it's the old question of convenience vs authenticity and if you don't want people to treat your choice with condesendence and ignorance a good place to start is by understanding the other side. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I don't know why exactly, but what I do know is Dub originated in Jamaica and was pioneered by Osbourne Ruddock, better known as King Tubby. Since the music puts emphasis on the bass, you do need good subs. |
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| People like to find any way possible to feel superior to other people. Even i prefer subs myself and would recommend them over dubs, but i'm not going to get all high and mighty about it like a weirdo lol. |
| I dunno man, I've never understood the hate towards people who prefer dubbed anime. Most of them say that it's got the same VA's but the same thing could be said for the sub VA's as well. They should understand that people have preferences, stop ewwing us :/ |
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