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| We need to stop Reverse McCarthyism before it's too late. |
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| Lolis are superior hence the entire focus of the anime should be on them.(Applies to all genres) |
| Less cheap harem/isekai shows. Keep adapting shonen jump shows 1-2 cours at a time, it really gives these series the best treatment. And I hope that seasons won't be oversaturated with second seasons of shows. The current season has been good with that, but previous seasons (especially in 2018) were just filled with sequels to shows that I personally didn't care about (besides bnha). I hope we can keep a good new show/new season balance in the 2020s (so far 2019 has made me optimistic for me) oh and can companies stop hogging the licences to shows and then releasing them on their platforms months later/putting them on expensive platforms (*cough netflix and amazon prime cough*) |
| No more angry females exercising their dominance over beta male who is put on a capped brain capacity to showcase female empowerment. |
I think the main takeaway isn't going to be in the content of shows - that will go through phases and fashions like it always has and always will - but in the medium. More and more people are watching anime via streaming services like Netflix or Amazon Prime, and I think studios are going to continue to have to capitalise on that if they want to keep with the times. Likewise, those services will have to think carefully about which shows they want to promote for their various audiences and how they present them - ideally I'd like to see Netflix relax its rule on waiting until whole seasons are out before putting them on, but I totally understand why they've chosen to do it the way they have. Going forward, they'll need to think about it, for sure. The new ease of pirating is also something streaming services and channels need to take a look at. It's not that people necessarily want to pirate - usually, if there's an easy way of legally getting the same product, people are happy to pay. Spotify's done it with music, or near enough, but there's a bit of a way to go with anime. To increase their market share, it will be in the interest of everyone to provide a viable alternative to piracy. |
Maurice_5 said: That joke comrade, OOOOOOF!I think the main takeaway isn't going to be in the content of shows - that will go through phases and fashions like it always has and always will - but in the medium. More and more people are watching anime via streaming services like Netflix or Amazon Prime, and I think studios are going to continue to have to capitalise on that if they want to keep with the times. Likewise, those services will have to think carefully about which shows they want to promote for their various audiences and how they present them - ideally I'd like to see Netflix relax its rule on waiting until whole seasons are out before putting them on, but I totally understand why they've chosen to do it the way they have. Going forward, they'll need to think about it, for sure. The new ease of pirating is also something streaming services and channels need to take a look at. It's not that people necessarily want to pirate - usually, if there's an easy way of legally getting the same product, people are happy to pay. Spotify's done it with music, or near enough, but there's a bit of a way to go with anime. To increase their market share, it will be in the interest of everyone to provide a viable alternative to piracy. Anyways, we should try to avoid bad CGI, and not follow the same formula for new series & franchises, please don't adapt more visual novels, they sssssuuuuuuuuuuccccccc, GULAG worthy, that's all comrades. |
 Decide once every certain number of years which members of the ruling class will oppress and crush the people in parliament: this is the true essence of bourgeois parliamentarism, not only in the constitutional parliamentary monarchies but in the most democratic republics - The State and Revolution (September 1917), Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov "Lenin". |
Nick-Knight said: fREE!, Yurine!!! On Ice and anything remotelly similar to it should be avoided at all costs. They're just as bad as ecchi/harem and the characters (with the exception of Kisumi and Yurio) are nothing but fujoshibait created to be paired up with each other. Shimai Maou no Testament is easily one of the worst franchises ever made. I want to kill myself 100 times everytime I hear Mio speak and exist. Basara is cool tho. People should stop doing over-the-top fanservice with little to no plot. thEy'Re NoThing bUt fUjOshIbAit Did we watch the same series or were you too up in your ass hating any anime that doesn't pander to your dick? Because of all the "fujobait" anime out there, you had to list those three that were actually good lmao. |
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Nick-Knight said: Tohsaka_Rukia said: thEy'Re NoThing bUt fUjOshIbAit Did we watch the same series or were you too up in your ass hating any anime that doesn't pander to your dick? Because of all the "fujobait" anime out there, you had to list those three that were actually good lmao. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/Free https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/YuriOnIce I don't mind the male fanservice from Fairy Tail, Nanatsu no Taizai, Shokugeki no Souma and many others. I also cited an ecchi/harem series, which means that if something 'panders' to me or not it's irrelevant (mostly because I have a strong dislike towards both genres.) I have Seven Days, Koimonogatari and Hidamari ga Kikoeru tagged as 'Masterpiece's, I have No.6 on my favorites and have NezuShi and MadoHomu as some of my favorite pairings meaning that I don't mind homosexuality. I have a list of Quasi-Husbandos on my profile, which are the guys I would consider marrying if I were a girl and have Gray Fullbuster as my Gar, meaning that I'm not insecure (and yes I know that you didn't call me that). Just because you think that they're good doesn't mean that I have to abide to your opinion. I disliked the stories because they were boring and disliked the characters because they were annoying. And check on the links I've sent you to further prove by the absurd ammount of homoetorization that these characters had that they're, indeed, nothing but fujoshibait 'characters' created to be paired up with each other. Also my penis has nothing to do with that. Show some class. Yikes..... you really linked TV Tropes lmfao. I can't take you seriously now. The most homoerotic subtext you could find in Free is a CPR scene that didn't even happen lmao. Don't quote me again if you're gonna cite your reasoning from TV Tropes. Form your own opinions next time lol. Of all the anime to list, you really put Free when it's probably one of the most tame "fujobait" anime out there. "Found the story boring" It's literally the same as most anime out there about chasing your dreams and shit and it's actually executed well lol. Oh my god... I actually tried reading the TV Tropes links and I can't help but shake my head at these examples lmfao. |
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| That you shouldn't base your system just on makes the most money at the time, that's how you end up with three million isekai adaptations that are all exactly the same. Since they're adaptations I guess this probably applies to the light novel market as well. Oh and pay pay animators properly. If they have to animate a ton of shite, they should at least be able to live off it. |
| Classic anime are not dead, 2000s anime were the classics for the 2010s and the series from the 2010s will become the classics for the 2020s. Sequels, prequels and series to be readapted, just like "Jigoku Shoujo, Saiyuuki reload, Basilisk" received their final seasons". "Kino no Tabi, Boogiepop" and others got readapted. New classics are born, "Shingeki no Kyoujin, Tokyo Ghoul and Steins;Gate to name a few. |
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| I learned that we need more isekai, harem and moe. Yeah boi! |
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| what exactly did the 2010s do that wasn't being done before? |
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| Nothing really, I’m perfectly content with how anime is now. Maybe more good psychological and Yuri shows would be nice? |
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Nick-Knight said: Just because you think that they're good doesn't mean that I have to abide to your opinion. I disliked the stories because they were boring and disliked the characters because they were annoying. And check on the links I've sent you to further prove by the absurd ammount of homoetorization that these characters had that they're, indeed, nothing but fujoshibait 'characters' created to be paired up with each other. Also my penis has nothing to do with that. Show some class. Your links don't prove shit, holy crap. Yuri on ice is a spokon with a clear spokon structure where the MC goes to tournaments all the time and Free! is a spokon + school club narrative, you are the one holding the homoerotic tones of these shows like they are the only thing they have to offer when both are about characters facing, preparing for and getting into competitions, with YoI having a clear romantic undertone and Free! having an overall friendship theme with a focus on childhood drama. |
| I have learned that we're not learning anything, and that for every one person that says something that's at least thoughtful and relevant here, there will be ten people who use it to superficially bitch about whatever they think is a trend currently. This makes it imperative for the industry to simply disregard our opinions and hopes entirely and let us fester amongst ourselves. No more people like the Shield Hero director going onto fucking reddit and saying "Ah yes we wanted to appeal to the west with shield hero blah blah blah." As much isolation from any audience as feasibly possible should be maintained. Otherwise, everything would be terrible and we'll soon find ourselves in a post-apocalyptic universe. The end is nigh. The lizard people will take over, and national socialism will rise again. |
ManabanJul 20, 2019 5:42 PM
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carseatheadrest said: Keep adapting shonen jump shows 1-2 cours at a time And I hope that seasons won't be oversaturated with second seasons of shows. lmao you are just asking for sequels if you adapt long shounens in 12/24 chapters |
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| Stop publishing dumb light novels and adapting them into shitty anime. There are so many great manga that still remain unadapted yet it's baffling that something like eromanga-sensei got adapted. Also the trigger patreon is such a genius idea, more anime studios need to start following their example. |
MisconceptionJul 21, 2019 2:55 PM
| Isekais all look the same and authors fail to explore to idea to its full potential and continue to write the same crap over and over. We need more horror shows and piracy will continue to grow if companies keep exclusive shows to themselves lol |
| That most LN's are terrible yet they keep adapting them. Stop making crappy harem and isekai anime, put some thought into it at least. |
zieek said: Tokyo ghoul later became a tragedy itself.Classic anime are not dead, 2000s anime were the classics for the 2010s and the series from the 2010s will become the classics for the 2020s. Sequels, prequels and series to be readapted, just like "Jigoku Shoujo, Saiyuuki reload, Basilisk" received their final seasons". "Kino no Tabi, Boogiepop" and others got readapted. New classics are born, "Shingeki no Kyoujin, Tokyo Ghoul and Steins;Gate to name a few. |
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
| Well something I learned in the last 10 years is to look at staff. The Evangelion rebuilds actually did have a purpose. Every time I see one of their names working on the CGI of an anime, I know it will look nice. I am actually hoping for more stuff like that that trans up staff to do better work For 2020's, I guess my big hope is that there will be other ambitious projects focused on animation just to train staff on. Not just these shorts. |
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| More isekai. Naah, just kidding. Either less isekai or more creative isekai. Don't delay sequels otherwise hype gone which can affect sales for anime industry. More complete adaptations. Improvement on CGI. More horror genre shows will be great. MORE IMPORTANTLY, anime community need to stop pirating and realize no amount of whining and complain in forum can make the industry pander to pirate's taste. As long as we don't support anime legally, we will keep getting anime that selling well in Japan. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-06-19/top-selling-animation-in-japan-on-blu-ray-disc-dvd-by-series-2019/.148043 We will keep getting idol anime like IdolMaster, Zombieland Saga(I do like Zombieland Saga though) and isekai like SAO because they sell well in Japan. After what happen to KyoAni, anime studios need to make sure they have proper fire prevention system in their office. |
Papa_ScorchJul 20, 2019 10:49 PM
| The 2010s have been fine so far, I like many newer anime and have no major complaints actually. but what could be better in my c o m p l e t e l y subjective opinion: - as one person already said, there should be a balance of new shows and sequels each season. Having Aot or Bnha sequels airing doesnt really make a season strong if the newcomer anime are meh. And from an industry standpoint... while sequels are great if they continue a story, I hope they dont try to milk too many shows for cash and only rely on popular sequels. Making new high quality series would be great. - A bit related to the last thing... while its inevitable, they should try to tone trends down. this especially goes for the medieval rpg trend atm.... but the battle harem and idol trends were also a bit annoying. Its fine to have 1-2 shows like that each season, but if we get 5 shows with basically the same premise its just annoying. - yeah more horror, mystery and drama would be nice - I kind of miss KEY - style sob story VN adaptations. - I dont think pandering to the west is necessary; its cool if anime can make profits from western fans, but I hope they dont change the content too much. most of us watch anime cuz its different from western tv shows. |
| Honestly, if CGI gets improved then it would really be awesome, it would be cheaper than hiring animators |
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| solve the animator shortage crisis - higher or decent pay for animators (or give royalties to their drawings) - less working hours but that will make anime more expensive and quantity of them will lessen though so another solution is 3DCG lol - 3D animators only need few staff so higher pay - no need overtime because of more computer automation |
HopefulNihilist said: -Less CGI -Less hours for animators, because they guys are literally working themselves to death. Honestly only one can be fullfilled from these two |
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Fine let's replace it with "Shokugeki no Souma" then, is that better. |
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| -Less CGI, or at least improve it if they want to use it. Current CGI looks terrible -Less isekai, kinda tired of this genre -less anime and anime studios. Animators are already rare, yet they keep making new anime and new anime studios. The product quality drops, it's pretty obvious lately. Maybe they could make better anime with strong team and better planning. -Choose material or idea for anime carefully to ensure profit. Producers complained people don't want to buy BD anymore but they keep making isekai that has 10% rate of success or other materials that have really low chance to sell (ex: Fairy gone, egao no daika, mahou shoujo asuka, revisions, girly airforce). Even I could tell those anime got very little chance of success just by watching the PV and synopsis. |
jejehartadi said: -Choose material or idea for anime carefully to ensure profit. Producers complained people don't want to buy BD anymore but they keep making isekai that has 10% rate of success or other materials that have really low chance to sell (ex: Fairy gone, egao no daika, mahou shoujo asuka, revisions, girly airforce). Even I could tell those anime got very little chance of success just by watching the PV and synopsis. you have to at least read the following https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-04-06/.129695 https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/02/what-is-an-animes-production-committee/ |
deg said: Yea I'm aware what production committee is. My words are meant for them. Why would they throw their funds on minor or no name manga or LN with absurd or boring synopsis to get anime adaptation anyway. They should do market research before deciding what anime should be made.jejehartadi said: -Choose material or idea for anime carefully to ensure profit. Producers complained people don't want to buy BD anymore but they keep making isekai that has 10% rate of success or other materials that have really low chance to sell (ex: Fairy gone, egao no daika, mahou shoujo asuka, revisions, girly airforce). Even I could tell those anime got very little chance of success just by watching the PV and synopsis. you have to at least read the following https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-04-06/.129695 https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/02/what-is-an-animes-production-committee/ |
jejehartadi said: deg said: Yea I'm aware what production committee is. My words are meant for them. Why would they throw their funds on minor or no name manga or LN with absurd or boring synopsis to get anime adaptation anyway. They should do market research before deciding what anime should be made.you have to at least read the following https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-04-06/.129695 https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/02/what-is-an-animes-production-committee/ when it comes to anime adaptations (which is majority of anime) the source material publsihers/owners are a big part of the production committee though and they want to promote what you call bad story but they think are good to market |
| Definitely CGI character models. At best, it's a substitute for artistic style and at worst, it's simply grotesque. Even Attack on Titan does it and it looks entirely out of place. At least with generic moe anime, the art style is true to the show. CGI is just a bunch of generic rubber blowup dolls that kill immersion 100% of the time. And please, don't "improve" it by trying to imitate Disney. I don't want anime to look like Frozen. |
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Bayek said: Definitely CGI character models. At best, it's a substitute for artistic style and at worst, it's simply grotesque. Even Attack on Titan does it and it looks entirely out of place. At least with generic moe anime, the art style is true to the show. CGI is just a bunch of generic rubber blowup dolls that kill immersion 100% of the time. And please, don't "improve" it by trying to imitate Disney. I don't want anime to look like Frozen. none photorealistic models are great to prevent the "uncanny valley" though and im sure its much more easier to render (less time to produce by the computer) too because of less polygon but ye i can understand the hate just because of being "too much" or overuse already |
zieek said: I had not watched shougeki no souma. You can still say tokyo ghoul manga from ch. 1 to somewhere about tg.re ch. 100 is a classic , so does 1st season, season 2 upto some point but it is an incomplete scenario as manga had got rushed because of author's health and anime got destroyed by studio pierrot.puneetsingh said: Tokyo ghoul later became a tragedy itself. Fine let's replace it with "Shokugeki no Souma" then, is that better. |
puneetsinghJul 23, 2019 8:07 AM
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
deg said: Example of simple case. An anime where committee consist of manga publisher, company that sell BD/DVD, and music related company. The manga publisher chose 'wrong' material to promote (animate). jejehartadi said: Yea I'm aware what production committee is. My words are meant for them. Why would they throw their funds on minor or no name manga or LN with absurd or boring synopsis to get anime adaptation anyway. They should do market research before deciding what anime should be made. when it comes to anime adaptations (which is majority of anime) the source material publsihers/owners are a big part of the production committee though and they want to promote what you call bad story but they think are good to market People don't like it, small number of audience>manga doesn't get a boost>BDs sell poorly>OPED, character songs sell poorly>loss. What I mean is choosing what material to animate is very important. They should be more careful and do more research on the market instead of throwing everything to become anime. Promoting through anime doesn't mean auto boost. Some recent mobages even end service immediately after their anime ends. If an inexperienced guy like me or some japanese anime forum could guess (just by synopsis) how an anime could likely go bad then they really need to do more work. This, of course, would be a pointless idea/argument if international streaming provides enough revenue even though sales inside Japan's itself is bad. They could be free to make any anime they want. Streaming revenue hasn't been made clear so I don't know the truth. Some said Netflix are willing to invest a full cour, some said crunchyroll only paid pennies, some said China streaming is saving anime, etc. |
| @jejehartadi >Promoting through anime doesn't mean auto boost. i never said it did but that was their intention since they believe their product will sell anyway this is like saying you know better than this source material publishers/owners what will sell or there is even like a good formula for success in entertainment so i rest my case because that is a big topic on its own |
| -I want Gundam to go back to its roots. -Less Isekai's -Less Yaoi/Yuri -Less "Power of Friendship" b*** crap |
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| 1. Ignore most people and let Artists keep doing whatever they want to. As that gives us variety of all sorts. And there are plenty Anime to choose. Thus something for everyone. |
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puneetsingh said: What is the meaning of that dot in our conversation now?I had not watched shougeki no souma. You can still say tokyo ghoul manga from ch. 1 to somewhere about tg.re ch. 100 is a classic , so does 1st season, season 2 upto some point but it is an incomplete scenario as manga had got rushed because of author's health and anime got destroyed by studio pierrot. |
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
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