Code Geass: Fukkatsu no Lelouch Episode 1 Discussion

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"sequel usually sucks" stereotype confirmed yet again? lol

May 17, 2019 3:37 PM

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I think the movie wasn't trying to create a better ending replacement, but to open things up in an alternate way. From that point of view, then only the future projects will be able to help us confirm or deny if it really was better to do this or if they shouldn't have.

May 17, 2019 3:42 PM

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Madonis said:
I think the movie wasn't trying to create a better ending replacement, but to open things up in an alternate way. From that point of view, then only the future projects will be able to help us confirm or deny if it really was better to do this or if they shouldn't have.

they are milking the cash cow

10 Year Plan for Code Geass Revealed
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1779086

May 17, 2019 7:34 PM

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The only problem with the movie I had was a lack of SoL interactions between Lelouch and some of the cast

Ohgi got his say Suzaku got a lot of say and C.C. got the most but Kallen didnt even have a proper conversation with him and all we got from Shirley was that picture of her being overjoyed in the credits

Time constraints i guess meh

May 19, 2019 6:23 AM

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WTH Shirley alive?
While nice to have a million character cameos, either I'm really tired, or the pacing was breakneck rushing a 1+ season war conflict into this movie, & the weird subs were hard to see & jumped up or off center occasionally. I want to rewatch for all the early part infodump on countries/factions.
Great to see the original characters again. Lloyd & Orange are still so much fun. Somehow always liked the weird Ohgi Villetta ship, nice video with all the wedding fun.
So plot's alright, fast & vague on many points. Shamna & Charlio's country want to use Nunnally to turn back time before 0-requiem, so their mercenary based life can thrive with wars it seems. Wasn't clear what make Nunnally special to enter C's World. Somehow i completely forgot the C's World from the original.
Lots of mixed feelings on broken Lelouch, but headpatting Kallen was too cute. They did ease into showing more of him. Great moment when classic pompous Zero returned, with callbacks to s1 start when CC granted him geass used to kill the soldiers in that manner & the Narita incident.
CC gets lots of outfits, and that wonderful LL end, apparently they know who's best grill. Post credits, is that a black wedding dress? Collecting geass fragments (or just them two camping) sound fine for future sequels.
Other vague details: CC very briefly said how she revived a botched Lelouch from C's world. It sounds like by the rushed temple blockage to prevent gas attack, he deduced Shamna's time travel limit is ~6 hours. But him deducing her geass ability was too rushed as well. Also her geass eventually changed from clairvoyance to consciousness/time travel, but it's unclear if this change is significant to any plot.

May 29, 2019 9:09 AM

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Just watched it earlier at the cinemas and I've been waiting for so long for this movie because I missed Lelouch and other characters so much. :)) It was okay but it was rushed? Especially Shirley though. She was treated as a useless character tbh.

The "L.L." part, a lot laughed about it and the after credits scene was like wtf?? I was hoping for more but wth. :(( It was really rushed for me, I like the animation and the characters but their interaction was idk, unsatisfying. Season 1 and Season 2 was still the best, this could've been better if it was longer and not rushed too. Idk, I suck at explaining. Good to see Lelouch and C.C. together that's the only thing I liked.

C.C. taking care of her //baby// Lelouch without a soul was so cute aajsjdja

6-7/10 :(

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May 29, 2019 4:03 PM

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Shamna's geass was pretty much Bites the Dust they just made a JJBA reference.

Other than Shamna,the tender moments between the four main characters, and the battles this movie was just okayish.

"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD"

Jun 2, 2019 7:25 AM

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I have no strong feeling one way or the other.

Jun 16, 2019 6:13 PM

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Honestly, i felt like the movie was really rushed. You can just see it in the way that it feels like they fast forwarded all of the parts where there's heavy dialogue. If they just slowed everything down and expanded on everything a bit more it could've been a good movie. Not enough setup/screentime for the villains and their backstory, not enough of knightmares fighting knightmares, and not enough scenes/interactions between the characters and a newly revived Lelouch. A lot of good ideas, but not enough time/execution to really make it great.

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Jun 21, 2019 6:35 AM

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Just watched the cam rip. I didn't get the full quality in visuals and music, but it already felt very nice on this side.

As an anime movie, it was great. As a Code Geass sequel, it was worth it in terms of visuals, dialogues and stakes. About the story itself however, I can't sort out my feelings.

- The story is definitely rushed. The stakes are interesting, and the movie tells a lot for less than 2 hours, but it definitely goes too fast on important points of the plot. Also, many scene transitions felt ridiculous. The movie is definitely rushed... and because of that, most of what happens lacks impact. It just happens and doesn't hit you real hard, you know what I mean?

- That said, the movie itself tells a decent story. The battles are full of clever strategies, with bluffs, anticipations, and twists. Everything you would expect from Code Geass.
The links to the original story... some make sense, some don't. For example, I really don't like the characters' reactions to the events of the story. It's like they really don't care.

Finally, I really like the way they handled Lelouch's fate. They basically proved everyone wrong xD! They gave an unpredicted version of the aftermath of Zero Requiem, and took the opportunity to give a bit more explanation about how the Code works.

Now, a word about the end of the series: honestly, I'm really getting sick of this debate. NO ONE, from ANY SIDE, sticks to FACTS and everyone automatically resorts to disrespecting the others' opinions without questioning their own judgement.
As a result, everyone keeps using hoaxes and bad translations, and when they do use actual facts, they make wide interpretations of it.
That's true for both sides.
Stop the bullcrap and learn basic logic before insulting each other.

Lelouch is neither alive nor dead in the end of R2, as both possibilites are MEANT to be possible, that was stated years ago in the official DVD commentaries and that was stated yet again recently (at Sakura-con, I believe?).

Sorry for my grunt, I'm done now xD! About the movie, it's good as an anime movie, it's worthy of Code Geass on everything except the story, which is really debatable on many points.
Overall I didn't feel it was worth the 11 years of waiting.

Dante012Jun 21, 2019 6:38 AM

Everything changes. Even the happy and funny things eventually disappear. How can I still enjoy this place then?
- Furukawa Nagisa (Clannad)

You have to make a choice. Either you give up on your soul for the sake of science, or you give up on science to save your soul. In my case, the soul was already in pieces.
- Lloyd Asplund (Code Geass)

Do you understand the meaning behind Nunnaly's smile? She can't see or walk. So there are things in this world that she knows she can't do alone. Her smile... is her only way to show gratitude.
- Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)

Death is part of Life.
- ... Me.

Jul 15, 2019 6:15 PM

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this honestly is how i think they should have ended the series off in the first place.

also are people really still in denial about Leluach inheriting the code from his dad?

even though the movie out right says it?

while i did enjoy the movie i feel that this would have benefited more as a full 24 episode season rather then a 1 and a half hour movie.

deg said:

Madonis said:
I think the movie wasn't trying to create a better ending replacement, but to open things up in an alternate way. From that point of view, then only the future projects will be able to help us confirm or deny if it really was better to do this or if they shouldn't have.

they are milking the cash cow

10 Year Plan for Code Geass Revealed
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1779086

they've been milking it way before this movie look up nightmare of nunnally which is a spin off series with basically nothing to do with the actual story of code geass.

GrimAtramentJul 15, 2019 6:21 PM

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Jul 19, 2019 11:44 AM

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also are people really still in denial about Leluach inheriting the code from his dad?

You are very out of date, my friend.
Nobody believes that old debunked hoax anymore, code theory was proven beyond doubt to be false.
The show staff officially confirmed that Lelouch is totally dead, no code or immortality
The anime makes it impossible for Lelouch to have a code because that would have violated the established rules.
The show staff have explicitly denied code points of code theory.
The community has shown that the anime itself contradicts all the so-called "clues" for code theory. All of those clues were just deliberate misrepresentations of what actually happened.
It was shown that code theory originated as a [url= https://www.reddit.com/r/CodeGeass/comments/9ne36k/how_the_code_geass_anime_itself_doesnt_support/]4chan joke[/url], i.e. it was just a hoax which got out of control.
All of the information from the show staff (interviews, live commentaries, official guide book, remade epilogue, ...), WITH sources and links and all of the work from the community can be found in the Code Geass Community Information Database.
A MUST read for every fan.

Some examples:

The new epilogue from 2009: C.C. explicitly explain to the audience that Lelouch is truly dead and that she mourns his death

The anniversary tweets about how they made the anime:
- "Before I started writing the story of a person called Lelouch, I confirmed with Taniguchi-director something. That thing was that THE END OF LELOUCH WILL BE DEATH."
- "At least he is aware of his sins and pays for them with HIS DEATH."
- "This man called Lelouch will pay for his sins by HIS DEATH. The story follows him till he finally make this decision."
- "Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't CHOOSE DEATH. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't DIE, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."

hazarddex said:

even though the movie out right says it?

You didn't pay attention, the movie explicitly says code theory is wrong!
1) C.C. literally dismisses the possibility of Lelouch having a code.
2) C.C. explains that Lelouch was not immortal by pointing out that he stayed dead after the Zero requiem and that Shirley (who is still alive in the alternate universe) had to smuggle his corpse to her.
3) C.C. explains that it was SHE who resurrected Lelouch by reconstructing his corpse. When Kallen asks what that means she says it's replacing damaged body parts.
4) C.C. admits to Kallen that she resurrected Lelouch from the dead against his wishes.
5) C.C. tells Suzaku it was her responsibility that Lelouch was resurrected.
6) Lelouch tells C.C. that she never had permission to undo his death.

The movie even shows us that this new power Lelouch has, which has a mark, is not a code at all by showing us it has completely different properties.
1) The mark is not where Charles touched him, Charles grabbed his neck while the mark is on his chest. (not that this matters, but that was one of those code theory fantasies)
2) the mark travels around on his body, which codes NEVER do
3) Lelouch says he doubts he is immortal, if he had had the code he would have known with certainty that he was immortal.
4) Lelouch tells Suzaku he could drop dead any day
5) Shamna who has the same new power/mark as Lelouch got geassed by Lelouch which is IMPOSSIBLE oif you have a code!
6) Lelouch gives his battle plans to C.C. because she IS immune to geass because she DOES have a code
7) Shamna's mark never made her lose her geass as the rules of code strictly dictate.
8) Lelouch never lost his geass either.

So yeah, the movie is extremely explicit that Lelouch does not have a code.
Don't let that 4chan hoax cloud your eyes.
Listen to what the community and the show writers and the anime itself have to say!

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Jul 30, 2019 11:42 AM

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A_Stapler said:

I'm also out of date, though I never looked into Code Theory, I knew the general idea and just assumed it was supported. The information you linked has been very helpful, thank you!

You're welcome!
Feel free to share that information with anyone who might be interested.
Information is made to be shared. :)

A_Stapler said:

I was just wondering if you could explain the post-credit scene, how did he get a code?

In "Lelouch of the Resurrection"?
He didn't get a code. His new power, with a mark, was not a code and it didn't "evolve" into one during the end credits either.
That's just one more misrepresentation some code theorists were trying to push. They claimed that, in that scene, Lelouch was giving geass to new people, thus he must have a code.
But when you look at that scene when it's a bit more zoomed out (screenshot) you see there's nobody there but Lelouch and C.C.
So what does that mean? We don't know. Possibly even nothing (yet). Perhaps setup for future movies, perhaps not. Some have speculated that in future movies he will help C.C. remove geass from unworthy users. We'll have to wait and see.
What we DO know is that he wasn't giving anyone a geass because there's literally nobody there. (except for some corpses just outside that screenshot), so this isn't "proof" that he has a code at all.

Aug 2, 2019 11:54 AM

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Taking some key words directly from the movie itself:

C.C.: It's possible that Lelouch once inherited a Code from Charles.

Kallen: The one that gives him immortality?

C.C.: Yes. But Lelouch used his Geass afterwards as well.

C.C.: What happened without the Code issue being resolved was the Zero Requiem.

This means that one cannot deny Chuck's Code was involved, even if it happened in a strange way, since Lelouch could use Geass afterwards too.

The Code issue "not being resolved" isn't the same as saying Lelouch lacks a Code. It suggests something was incomplete or wrong when he got it.

When C.C. talks about reconstructing the body, she is discussing how immortals like her can regenerate.

C.C: The reason I can't die is because I replace any defective body parts with those constructed in C's World

C.C.: The problem is, Lelouch killed God in C's World. Because of that, I can no longer freely enter C's World.

So they had to use the leftover parts in order to reconstruct Lelouch, but it's the same principle as that which applies to her own regeneration.

As for the end credits scene, nobody knows anything about it right now. No one can make any definitive claims surrounding that sequence today.

Not LelouchviBritMER, not myself or anyone else. We need more information. But if I were a betting man, I'd say he does have a Code. Lelouch is also expressing a variation of the same speech C.C. gave to him at the start of the story, back in episode one, so they are trying to parallel that situation.

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Aug 15, 2019 11:55 AM

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Chaotic_beauty said:
It was a great movie.

Code theory is still valid, even for the original series.They finished the series open ended.

They said he's dead? Yes. They said it, even on twitter. CC confirmed that she had to revive his body? Sure. So theory is remixed by Sunrise and original theory from 4chan is not valid, simple.

And he doesn't even know is he immortal or not. So yes, this original theory from 2008 isn't valid at all.

Aug 17, 2019 5:30 AM

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Madonis said:
Taking some key words directly from the movie itself:

C.C.: It's possible that Lelouch once inherited a Code from Charles.

Kallen: The one that gives him immortality?

C.C.: Yes. But Lelouch used his Geass afterwards as well.

C.C.: What happened without the Code issue being resolved was the Zero Requiem.

This means that one cannot deny Chuck's Code was involved, even if it happened in a strange way, since Lelouch could use Geass afterwards too.

The Code issue "not being resolved" isn't the same as saying Lelouch lacks a Code. It suggests something was incomplete or wrong when he got it.

When C.C. talks about reconstructing the body, she is discussing how immortals like her can regenerate.

C.C: The reason I can't die is because I replace any defective body parts with those constructed in C's World

C.C.: The problem is, Lelouch killed God in C's World. Because of that, I can no longer freely enter C's World.

So they had to use the leftover parts in order to reconstruct Lelouch, but it's the same principle as that which applies to her own regeneration.

As for the end credits scene, nobody knows anything about it right now. No one can make any definitive claims surrounding that sequence today.

Not LelouchviBritMER, not myself or anyone else. We need more information. But if I were a betting man, I'd say he does have a Code. Lelouch is also expressing a variation of the same speech C.C. gave to him at the start of the story, back in episode one, so they are trying to parallel that situation.

I do agree we don't know everything, but we do know more than you'd think.
Lelouch does not have a code in the movie, not in the way that codes were explanined before this movie.
This is made clear by the movie itself which show us that whatever power Lelouch now has, it functions very differetly than what we called codes.
The mark travels across his body.
He doesn't lose his geass.
Shamna didn' lose her geass.
Shamna gets geassed.
Lelouch gives his battle plans to C.C. because she is immune to geass because she has the code.
Lelouch doubts his immortality.
Even C.C. says "BUT he used geass" to contradict the theoretical possibility of Lelouch having a code.
Yes, she added " the code stuff is unclear", but that doesn't imply Lelouch has a code, as listed above the movie shows us that.
Furthermore, the very fact that Shamna has the exact same power as Lelouch tells us it's not the interaction between Lelouch and Charles which caused him to have this power, otherwise Shamna couldn't have had it too.
So what does C.C. mean? Well, that's where i agree that we don't know. maybe God erasing charles means that in the mvoie his code is flying around in limbo and all geass users now have that new power. Maybe killing other geass users will empower this new power, Highlander style, and the last one standing receives a trye code. Who knows?
We don't know eveyrthing, but it's important to not all into theb trap of then concluding we know nothing. We do know that whatever Lelouch has, it's not what we called a code before this movie, and thus we shouldn't call it that now.
As for C.C.'s explanation, she used herself as an example of what reconstruction means, but she was unmistakenly talking about lelouch, since she said she reconstructed his corpse. This, too, proves he doesn't have a code, since he couldn't reconstruct himself, it was an external code user who needed to do that.

Aug 17, 2019 5:45 AM

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Chaotic_beauty said:
They outright say that he took Charle's code. That's it. There's nothing more to discuss.

And you are lying.
how typical of a code conspiracy theorist to remove all context and meaning of what was said.
The movie explicitly denies Lelouch has a code!
C.C. wondered about the possibility of Lelouch having a code and then immediately dismisses that possibility by saying "BUT Lelouch still used his geass afterwards".
The word "But" denotes a cobntradiction with what was said before, i.e. the possibility of him having a code. This is logical since the anime AND the movies made it impossible for anyone to have a code and a geass at the same time. The anime doesn't include a single screenshot or linje of dialogue hwich supports the false idea of people having both. Don't try to deny without posting a screenshot! (yes, EVEN this movie, if you paid attention you'd know, but I'll explain below).
C.C. then continues saying that it was Shirley who smuggled Lelouch's corpse to her. If Lelouch had had a code that woudn't have been needed.
And then C.C. explains that it was her who resurrected Lelouch from the dead by reconstructing his corpse. When Kallen asks what that means she explains it's replacing damaged body parts.
So, in summary, C.C. explained that Lelouch could not have had a code and that he never revived as a code bearer would have. Thus, no code!

But it doesn't end there!
The movie clearly explains to us that even in this movie Lelouch STILL doesn't have a code!
Yes he has a mark, but the movie did a lot of effort to explain to us that this sin't a code mark:
- the mark travels around on his body, code marks don't do that.
- Shamna who has the same new power with a mark still has her geass, which is impossible for people who have the code.
- Lelouch also still has his geass
- Lelouch doubts this new power gives him immortality, something which wouldn't happen if he had had a code
- Shamna DOES die. yes she rewinds time upon death, but that's her geass, and she does need to die for that, so NO immortality.
- Shamna gets geassed!!!! This is impossible for code beareres!!!
- Lelouch gives his battle plans to C.C. because she IS immune to geass because she DOES have a code!

Anyone who still pretends that mark of the new power is a code is being willfully ignorant, the movies stresses that it isn't.

Chaotic_beauty said:

And, by the way, the theory started on reddit.

Liar
Liar
Liar
Seriously, just stop lying.
The code conspiracy theory was a joke on 4chan, it started as a hoax.
If you believe Lelouch has a code you have been fooled by a bunch of pranksters on 4chan!
Just as @RazorBMW said. He's correct. Code conspiracy theory being a 4chan joke is a well known fact by now.

The show staff officially confirmed that Lelouch is totally dead in R2. No code or immortality
For anyone who wants to read the facts, as stated by the show staff, and all the info the community has gathered, check out the Code Geass Community Information Database

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Aug 17, 2019 5:49 AM

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Aug 18, 2019 9:17 PM

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We all know lelouch is alive from how the 2nd season ended. Lol

BUT IT WAS SO AWESOME TO SEE HIM AGAIN KICKIN!!

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Aug 18, 2019 9:20 PM

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TendoShurado343 said:
Just one question. What happened to the Code theory?

It was never correct.
Both the original anime and the new movies didn't allow it because it violated the lore.
The show staff have repeatedly officially confirmed Lelouch is truly dead (read the Code Geass Community Information Database if you want to read it all), they even explicitly denied core points of code theory (for example Nunnally never saw any visions or memories).
So this movie, obviously, contradicts code theory too. They're not going to suddenly change their mind after 10 years of saying he's truly dead.
What the movie does do is include little easter eggs, like the cart driver dress up, but from the context you can see there's no connection with the R2 cart driver.

sorry litte puppy but your source is not that quite reliable.
and even if it -may- contradict, theres a split fiction in the studio during the concession but i can assure you it is open ending (while it has been blatantly displayed that lelouch is alive) but enough of that im lazy to debate, if u believe his dead so be it, continue with what you believe in.

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Aug 18, 2019 9:21 PM

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Madonis said:
I think the movie wasn't trying to create a better ending replacement, but to open things up in an alternate way. From that point of view, then only the future projects will be able to help us confirm or deny if it really was better to do this or if they shouldn't have.

they are milking the cash cow

10 Year Plan for Code Geass Revealed
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1779086

You with your conspiracy theory about cash cow. gtfo? ooof

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Aug 18, 2019 9:29 PM

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ugmon said:

they are milking the cash cow

10 Year Plan for Code Geass Revealed
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1779086

You with your conspiracy theory about cash cow. gtfo? ooof

what do you mean conspiracy theory? anime is a business anwyay right? and the link is an actual news?

Aug 18, 2019 9:32 PM

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ugmon said:

Sebastian333 said:

You with your conspiracy theory about cash cow. gtfo? ooof

what do you mean conspiracy theory? anime is a business anwyay right? and the link is an actual news?

and so you assumed it as a derivation from cash cow? wow one might say you a god for knowing people plan and motive. *claps hand*

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Aug 18, 2019 9:34 PM

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ugmon said:

what do you mean conspiracy theory? anime is a business anwyay right? and the link is an actual news?

and so you assumed it as a derivation from cash cow? wow one might say you a god for knowing people plan and motive. *claps hand*

cash cow is simply a word for making more profit and thats what businesses like anime do lol

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Sebastian333 said:

and so you assumed it as a derivation from cash cow? wow one might say you a god for knowing people plan and motive. *claps hand*

cash cow is simply a word for making more profit and thats what businesses like anime do lol

i hope you realize you are implying them to do sequel due to being driven by money (when its not). Lol

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ugmon said:

cash cow is simply a word for making more profit and thats what businesses like anime do lol

i hope you realize you are implying them to do sequel due to being driven by money (when its not). Lol

so what drives a business like anime to make more sequels then in the first place?

capitalism 101 hello?

you got too much blue pill in you lol get some red pill sometime

Aug 18, 2019 9:54 PM

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Sebastian333 said:
We all know lelouch is alive from how the 2nd season ended. Lol

Except that he was totally dead at the end of R2
The anime made it impossible for him to have the code.
The show staff officially confirmed that he was totally dead. No code or immortality
The community showed that the code conspiracy hoax was just a 4chan joke which was contradicted by the anime itself.
The movies explicitly confirmed he didn't have a code in R2.

Sebastian333 said:

sorry litte puppy but your source is not that quite reliable.

If you're going to pretend that the show staff's own words are not reliable and that you know the anime better than the people who made it, you're beyond hope.

Sebastian333 said:
theres a split fiction in the studio

There is not. We know that for a fact because it was explicitly said that there was consensus about Lelouch's fate, i.e. totally dead.
Or are you trying to say the show staff are a bunch of liars??

Continue: "Was there a dispute among the staff members regarding the ending?"

Okouchi: "No. It was decided fairly naturally. During the "Code Geass" script meetings, there are many cases in which there were a number of disputes, but there were barely any when it came to the scripts for (the previous series's) episode 25 and the final episode. I think everyone felt the same when it came to the end of the character that is Lelouch."

Sebastian333 said:
i can assure you it is open ending

Not in the slightest.
Not only does the anime itself make it completely impossible for Lelouch to have a code because that would have violated the established rules, so a sword through the chest and bleeding out on screen is most definitely not open ended, but the show staff even confirmed he's truly dead in many interviews. In 2009 they even made a brand new epilogue where C.C. herself talks to the audience and confirms Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death. How on earth can any sane person call that "open ended"?

Sebastian333 said:

(while it has been blatantly displayed that lelouch is alive)

The anime literally doesn't have a single indication about that.
ALL of the code conspiracy so-called "clues" have been debunked by the community, since they were all contradicted by the anime. They're just twisted misrepresentations of what was shown. For example, Nunnally never saw any code visions (those visions were even explicitly denied by the show staff!)

Aug 18, 2019 9:55 PM

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