| I actually didn't watch most of the shows that "everyone watched", so when talking casually about anime someone who may have only watched 1/4 of what i watched, but that 1/4 is comprised of them, would probably have more success than me (Well, i knew what i was getting into when i chose the "seasonal" way of life). I've only watched Code Geass and Death Note in 2016 and Cowboy Bebop in 2018 (Anda prior to that i thought i would never watch such shows). A great part of this i think is because the way other people got into anime and the way i got into anime. Most people here have stories about "Buying dubbed DVD's and watching then over and over" or "Watching Bebop and Trigun on Toonami", but my story can be summarized in: I saw people talking about anime in internet forums, they looked cool to me, in 2012 i got into anime but things would only flow in 2014 where i dove head-first into seasonals and their discussions. That being the case (And the fact that i'm not american) made me realize some behavior patterns some communities had (Mainly here and r/anime) that were alien to me and never understood. That being: Why do y'all praise "american style" stuff so much? All of them i either didn't like or liked less than the medium afghan (That's a term in my country that means "the average person"). Well, without further ado, lets name the oxen (Which in my country means "to name the ones i'm referring to"): Cowboy Bebop AKIRA Samurai Champloo The Big O The 90's JoJo's OVAs etc I'll admit that i'm partially being partially pedantic because i have't watched half of what i named here, but i'm basing myself on the other half that i watched. I just didn't get the appeal of them, do people watch those shows just to make crappy threads that the current season sucks? Do they watched just to force "manime"? Do they do it just to complain about japanese cliches in anime while praising american cliches in anime? Do they do it just to look "cool" and make others think that they have good taste? OK, sorry, i may have gone a little bit overboard here, my experience with suchs fanbases wasn't the best... But getting straight to the point: What is the appeal of such shows? What makes people think that "Tank" and the Samurai Champloo OP's are some of the best? I really wanna know the opinion of people that comsider themselves fans of these shows. |
| because this place mainly has western fanbase? how is this even a question? |
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Kuma said: because this place mainly has western fanbase? how is this even a question? We are a western society yet a lot of what we buy and use has "Made in Chine" written on it, so i don't see your logic. ...coming to think of it, we are a western society yet we're watching japanese stuff, so i don't see your logic twice. |
thewiru said: Kuma said: because this place mainly has western fanbase? how is this even a question? We are a western society yet a lot of what we buy and use has "Made in Chine" written on it, so i don't see your logic. ...coming to think of it, we are a western society yet we're watching japanese stuff, so i don't see your logic twice. why lupin is very popular in italy? why kung fu panda also very popular in china? there is a thing called culture, understand it... art is product of culture... people will easier to relate something they understand, at least culturally... sure, they pick japanese entertainment, but doesn't block their cultural preference filter complitely... maybe because their personal taste is different, but their cultural bias still there... do you expect random western to magically understand japan manzai comedy style out of nothing? that's stupid... |
KumaAug 8, 2018 10:20 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| We just like it, it's called an opinion. It's not rocket science buddy. |
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Kuma said: why lupin is very popular in italy? why kung fu panda also very popular in china? there is a thing called culture, understand it... art is product of culture... people will easier to relate something they understand, at least culturally... sure, they pick japanese entertainment, but doesn't block their cultural preference filter complitely... maybe because their personal taste is different, but their cultural bias still there... do you expect random western to magically understand japan manzai comedy style out of nothing? that's stupid... In anime's case for me is like travelling somewhere and then just eating McDonalds instead of trying the local cuisine. But you have a nice point though, yet it doesn't answer 100% of my question. |
thewiruAug 8, 2018 10:32 PM
thewiru said: Kuma said: why lupin is very popular in italy? why kung fu panda also very popular in china? there is a thing called culture, understand it... art is product of culture... people will easier to relate something they understand, at least culturally... sure, they pick japanese entertainment, but doesn't block their cultural preference filter complitely... maybe because their personal taste is different, but their cultural bias still there... do you expect random western to magically understand japan manzai comedy style out of nothing? that's stupid... In anime's case for me is like travelling someone and then just eating McDonalds instead of trying the local cuisine. But you have a nice point though, yet it doesn't answer 100% of my question. well, do you try natto the first time you try local japanese cuisine? no right? you pick the most mainstream, easier to understand and easier to access... like sushi or ramen which already heavily adjusted to common taste... |
KumaAug 8, 2018 10:32 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: thewiru said: We are a western society yet a lot of what we buy and use has "Made in Chine" written on it, so i don't see your logic. ...coming to think of it, we are a western society yet we're watching japanese stuff, so i don't see your logic twice. why lupin is very popular in italy? why kung fu panda also very popular in china? there is a thing called culture, understand it... art is product of culture... people will easier to relate something they understand, at least culturally... sure, they pick japanese entertainment, but doesn't block their cultural preference filter complitely... maybe because their personal taste is different, but their cultural bias still there... do you expect random western to magically understand japan manzai comedy style out of nothing? that's stupid... At least I can say Arslan Senki and Otoyomegatari and other things that related to Iran (Mobile Suit Gundam 00 I guess and etc.) aren't really more popular in Iran at all |
Kuma said: well, do you try natto the first time you try local japanese cuisine? no right? you pick the most mainstream, easier to understand and easier to access... like sushi or ramen which already heavily adjusted to common taste... That would answer my question if we were talking about average Joes, but that's something i see a lot in the community. ...unless every case i have seen was about average Joes, then that does answer the question. |
mhkr said: At least I can say Arslan Senki and Otoyomegatari and other things that related to Iran (Mobile Suit Gundam 00 I guess and etc.) aren't really more popular in Iran at all I can sign up to that saying that Michiko to Hatchin is literally about my country yet it is as underground here as it is anywhere else. |
mhkr said: Kuma said: why lupin is very popular in italy? why kung fu panda also very popular in china? there is a thing called culture, understand it... art is product of culture... people will easier to relate something they understand, at least culturally... sure, they pick japanese entertainment, but doesn't block their cultural preference filter complitely... maybe because their personal taste is different, but their cultural bias still there... do you expect random western to magically understand japan manzai comedy style out of nothing? that's stupid... At least I can say Arslan Senki and Otoyomegatari and other things that related to Iran (Mobile Suit Gundam 00 I guess and etc.) aren't really more popular in Iran at all then what average iran seek in anime is not something like otoyomegatari or arslan senki... you know the best what kind of series popular in your country... thewiru said: Kuma said: well, do you try natto the first time you try local japanese cuisine? no right? you pick the most mainstream, easier to understand and easier to access... like sushi or ramen which already heavily adjusted to common taste... That would answer my question if we were talking about average Joes, but that's something i see a lot in the community. ...unless every case i have seen was about average Joes, then that does answer the question. then the series it self doesn't only satisfy your average joes needs... why made it too complex? for example, cowboy bebop is WAY more popular in Japan that people underestimate, it one of most sold anime in history, rivaled with evangelion... in fact, in win more award than eva... akira also adapted from a popular manga series, tho it seems the anime doesn't that big... more to do with movie taken too many cost to made iirc... jojo was also very big even in japan.... your own example doesn't support your argument that much tbh... better example would be something way popular oversea (western specially) than japan like trigun, redline, etc... which different from case to case... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| i like jojo bizzare adventure. Dislike evengelion Cowboy Bebop was good AKIRA good, but MANGA WAS BETTER. Samurai Champloo haven't fully seen big O. sorry the only big O i can think of is from gundam. really its a matter of preferences. |
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_Ako_ said: So which clothes are you really referring not? I see no thicc thigh loli here fam. "Emperor's new clothes" is a reference to a fairy tale. In the tale, a bunch of swindlers manage to sell a set of "clothes" to a head of the state (king, emperor or whatever, depending on the translation). The "clothes" supposedly had a property of being invisible to people who are dumb or not in their place in society. In truth, the clothes just didn't exist, which is why nobody could see them. but the swindlers managed to get everybody to pretend they see the clothes and even praise them. It culminated with the Emperor parading naked in front of all the people. And the charade was broken only when a small child went against the current. Hence the topicstarter asks if the shows are actually liked, or is it just a meme / public pressure? I think a good example of that feeling would be when an anime character that looks the same as everybody else is claimed to be beautiful or ugly. mhkr said: At least I can say Arslan Senki and Otoyomegatari and other things that related to Iran (Mobile Suit Gundam 00 I guess and etc.) aren't really more popular in Iran at all Well, First Squad is more popular in Russia than elsewhere. In fact, I suppose that it just doesn't make sense for somebody who isn't from ex-USSR. I think it depends on how much the people love their country, and how much the show likes that country. Personally, I'm happy when anime mentions my country (even when I get to laugh at how hilariously wrong they got it), but that might depend on the person. People who love their country too much may get offended instead. thewiru said: That being: Why do y'all praise "american style" stuff so much? All of them i either didn't like or liked less than the medium afghan (That's a term in my country that means "the average person"). I just didn't get the appeal of them, do people watch those shows just to make crappy threads that the current season sucks? Do they watched just to force "manime"? Do they do it just to complain about japanese cliches in anime while praising american cliches in anime? Do they do it just to look "cool" and make others think that they have good taste? When I read people praising those shows a lot, I assume these people are just the American portion of the MAL population. Those anime have some good parts from both their country's entertainment and anime, which can be quite good if done right. Personally, I did not see much of those anime, but Trigun was one of the best, and Gunsmith Cats were fun. |
flannanAug 8, 2018 11:37 PM
| Only retarded weebs don't like them. |
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| Well if they want to proselytize their own culture, then let them be. Samurai Shampoo OP was good enough for me to listen over and over even though I didn't watch it. |
| I'm not sure why is this question even asked here, where these shows are watched and liked as much as inherently Japanese shows. The Western style and themes have a familiarity to them, but any average MAL user expanded that comfort zone long ago, they may just like returning to that familiarity from time to time, or enjoy these shows the same way they enjoy any other in their lists. If you talk about people who are not into anime at all, then of course Cowboy Bebop resonates more. There is less of a cultural clash. |
| Because it can be good or bad anime unrelated to whether it is Western influenced, hey, I'm an Asian dude and one of the biggest Jojo fanboy around here, don't think I need to have a more adequate and complicated reason as it is other than the shows aspect in it ownself. |
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| Someone please write me a summary of what the heck is OP talking about. If he is talking about quality of new anime, he should first remove Franxx from his favorites. |
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NickDen said: We just like it, it's called an opinion. It's not rocket science buddy. yea thats just so simple, I don't get why people try so hard to understand others people when, in cases like this it's so simple and is only realy explained by culture, past experiences etc |
Swagernator said: Someone please write me a summary of what the heck is OP talking about. If he is talking about quality of new anime, he should first remove Franxx from his favorites. Silly one, what goes in my favorites has to do with the subjective part of it (i.e. what it meant to me, etc). There are anime i gave higher ratings and they aren't in my favorites list. Zehennagel said: NickDen said: We just like it, it's called an opinion. It's not rocket science buddy. yea thats just so simple, I don't get why people try so hard to understand others people when, in cases like this it's so simple and is only realy explained by culture, past experiences etc Well, even if it was just an individual case i would still be curious of what the reasons of such person were. I personally like when people ask me why my favorites are my favorites. But it isn't an individual case, far from that, it is lots of cases ttogheter that i don't think are a coincidence, therefore there is a reason for it that i'm curious to know. "It's just my opinion" shouldn't be the end of a discussion, but the start of one. |
| It's easier to get into works that don't feel so distinct or foreign, it's more comfortable and accessible. That's the simplest reason, I'd imagine. There's also that the importance of a lot of these elements that make anime "anime" are kind of skewed and can vary pretty drastically. I like things like harems and cute girls and moe, I very much appreciate how it approaches sexualization with little regards for tastefulness or maturity and can focus more on being a good time with these things rather than making a statement with them. I like the aesthetic, I like the Jap stuff too and that backdrops, ranging from traditional to modern, especially when used with these elements that are far less widespread in other mediums like harem/ecchi and CGDCT. I like all of these things and I have a vested interest in preserving them to some extent. Other people might appreciate how it's shown flashes of being able to provide more mature animation aimed squarely at adults, which is more common in anime than most other areas in the west in terms of accessibility and quantity (afaik, I've been out of the western animation loop for a few years now admittedly) other people might just be more concerned with animation in general and less involved with the more anime aspects to it, and neither of those things are mutually inclusive with how western or Jap it is. Things like that. There's more lanes of appeal than just the Jap aspect or the more anime-exclusive aspects and American style or not is kind of irrelevant to a certain extent for most, I believe. |
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| I mean, it's really not that complicated. Most people just like the anime you're mentioning because they just happen to be very good and well-made. If something is high-quality, people are bound to like it; it's that simple. Just because an anime has a Western/American setting doesn't mean it's inherently good. For example, Mad Bull 34 and Angel Cop both take place in America, yet almost everyone can agree that they're both pretty garbage anime and, at most, only serve as guilty pleasures for those that like trashy fun. |
thewiru said: Well, even if it was just an individual case i would still be curious of what the reasons of such person were. I personally like when people ask me why my favorites are my favorites. But it isn't an individual case, far from that, it is lots of cases ttogheter that i don't think are a coincidence, therefore there is a reason for it that i'm curious to know. "It's just my opinion" shouldn't be the end of a discussion, but the start of one. yea you're right, we're too used to be on the defensive on the internet that we even forget sometimes it's about discussion. well most people(in fact I don't now if it realy is most people but at least a good amount of people) don't care to try to explain why they like a show, other than the main lines "I love the comedy" "it's pretty" "great characters developement" |
| nobody actually likes those anime; it's just an elaborate ruse to get other people to rate them high |
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