Latest Han Solo posters removed guns

traed said:
Why are you making a big deal over something that has been done since forever basically? After tragedies things get temporarily self censored out of consideration for people effected by them.

Scud said:
They should get rid of lightsabers for the UK audience. Knife crime and all that eh.

Killaclown said:
this person said it best "Latest Han Solo Posters Lose the Guns - A series of new Solo international posters come in both gun and no gun versions that are sure to please everyone and no one at the same time."because its han motherfuckin solo and his blaster, you really surprised at geeks being geeks?

Milennin said:
Let people buy guns and machine rifles as they please.
Censor entertainment media with pictures of guns.

Logic is hard at work.

traed said:
Why are you making a big deal over something that has been done since forever basically? After tragedies things get temporarily self censored out of consideration for people effected by them.

traed said:
Why are you making a big deal over something that has been done since forever basically? After tragedies things get temporarily self censored out of consideration for people effected by them.

Phendrus said:

Care to give some examples?

Separate question: Should we have taken steps to remove airplanes from media in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

Phendrus said:

Care to give some examples?

Separate question: Should we have taken steps to remove airplanes from media in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

Dildry said:


Dont ask hard questions to Traed his head might explode.

Phendrus said:

Care to give some examples?

Separate question: Should we have taken steps to remove airplanes from media in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

traed said:

NudeBear gave one example.

Here is another. Spiderman had this removed



After the Las Vegas massacre an episode of American Horror Story: Cult was edited because it had a mass shooting scene. It also opened with a warning at the beginning. They told people they have to go online to watch unedited.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/american-horror-story-cult-mass-shooting-episode-1047537

I also see some new episodes of shows don't air at all after a tragedy. They delay it at least a week.

It's not just the US either. In Japan:

149597871 said:
It's just a poster, it's not like they are going for 4Kids levels of censorship and make all the guns in the movie invisible or something. Don't be absurd, think about the people and their families who suffered from the recent tragedies, I'm sure having an edit in the poster is not a big deal compared to that.

Besides people are completely ignoring the fact that Harrison Ford isn't there and complaining about the blaster blaming it on leftist propaganda is more than absurd. I don't know how far up your ass your head must be in order to claim such thing.

traed said:

NudeBear gave one example.

Here is another. Spiderman had this removed



After the Las Vegas massacre an episode of American Horror Story: Cult was edited because it had a mass shooting scene. It also opened with a warning at the beginning. They told people they have to go online to watch unedited.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/american-horror-story-cult-mass-shooting-episode-1047537

I also see some new episodes of shows don't air at all after a tragedy. They delay it at least a week.

It's not just the US either. In Japan:

149597871 said:
@Phendrus

You realize that the gun wasn't removed by people who find it offensive or because they are mad about it? It was removed because there may be such people because the tragedies were very recent.

149597871 said:
Yes, it may be completely unnecessary, something like a precaution, the movie itself hasn't changed honestly getting mad about a poster is far more retarded than getting triggered by a sci-fi gun.

149597871 said:
It's a good idea to listen to your own advice in the first sentence.

Phendrus said:

If the poster included a mass shooting/something similar, I'd sympathize. Since it's just a gun in a completely unrelated context, I maintain that anyone who'd be upset by the gun in the poster is either being ridiculous or in need of professional help. It's like someone freaking out over a picture of an airplane in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.


This isn't about the poster. In my case, it's not even about guns.

Warning: Long explanation follows:




Out of curiosity, why not just say "You're the one who should grow up?" I already went there, so I don't exactly have room to whine at you for throwing it back at me.

Regardless, your indirect insult might actually have some impact if I cared about the poster. As I said, I care nothing for the poster itself. There's nothing I can do to change what has already happened, and I care very little about Star Wars and even less about the rest of Disney's latest works. Heck, I'm not even that "mad" about them advancing the ideas I outlined above.

My main objective is to sway the minds of those who are open to my words... And to drive stubborn progressives batty in the process, because that's always fun to watch.

traed said:
Why are you making a big deal over something that has been done since forever basically? After tragedies things get temporarily self censored out of consideration for people effected by them.

traed said:
@Phendrus
Do you know what PTSD is? Post Traumatic Stress disorder. Okay now do you know what a trigger is? I mean what it REALLY is not that stupid meme? A trigger is something that triggers a response that causes someone to relive a trauma as if it's happening. This may include things like a "flash back" or an anxiety attack. This is how peoples brains are wired to learn from experience. Okay now do you know what a stressor is? A stressor is what causes anxiousness and a sense of discomfort in it's association with a negative experience but not necisarily a trigger. Think about it. It's not just a gun it's a drawn gun pointing toward the viewer as if you're about to be shot ir someone near you is to be shot. Shouldn't it not be hard to see how that would be a trigger or stressor to people with PTSD caused by being in a shooting or losing someone to a shooting or in any other way connected to it somehow? Would this not also effect people with empathy that when they see such things their brain makes them remember a sad event like that ?

Phendrus said:
Should we have taken steps to remove airplanes from media in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

Phendrus said:

Eh. I might disagree with him on a lot of stuff, but he's certainly smarter than a lot of the doofuses in CE.

Actually, speaking of the denizens of this subforum... Why do I bother coming to this place again?

Phendrus said:

I'm fully aware of what PTSD is - after having a sailboat mast dropped on my head, I experienced years where I'd go to pieces just being within sight of a mast while it was being raised. Even today, I get a little bit uncomfortable.

See my long-winded reply to Numbers-san (currently post #28) for why I still think this poster edit is a bad idea.

Also, answer me this question from earlier:

traed said:
So shouldn't you understand the intent? It's not like it's permanent nor is it a law even it's just people doing what they want out of their own will.

traed said:
Well that's not the same thing is different it's a stressor not a trigger. I actually think the wall to wall constant news coverage on nearly all local and news channels was rediculously excessive.

traed said:
An aeroplane isn't same as an aeroplane crashing into a building.

traed said:
Did you know a long list of songs were voluntarily kept off air even? Pretty much anything that vaguely rederences anything that would seem inappropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Clear_Channel_memorandum

traed said:
You and others should be much more concerned about the violations of privacy the gov has been intruding on and the dismantling of a functional internet instead of focusing on a poster change that was voluntary.

Phendrus said:

I understand the intent, I just think it 1) takes things to an unnecessary extreme, and 2) sends a statement that reinforces detrimental ideas.


I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here, but I'll assume you're right about whatever it is.


Precisely. My point, therefore, is that a gun held by a guy like Han Solo is not the same as a gun being used to murder people.


Interesting. I'm WAY too out of touch with the music world to have any certainty to anything I say on this matter, but this seems reasonable enough.


Oh, I'm more than concerned about that, and I don't think this poster is anything close to a catastrophe. However, someone brought this topic up and one of the posts caught my eye, so I weighed in.

You're one of the few people on this subforum who is both interesting to speak with and capable of maintaining a level head. Of course I'm going to take the opportunity for a debate like this - particularly if it's on a topic that I can be rather relaxed about.

traed said:

Well not really sending a huge message. It's up the cinemas which one they use. At least that's what I think it's for rather than personal posters?

I was talking about how a stressor and triggger arent same as in a plane isn't same as a plane crashing and also was saying how the media handled 9/11 was a bit too excessive. I felt like the constant coverage on local channels just raised anxiety about the event rather than provide releif through information.

But the gun is held in a threatening manner not just drawn to his side. Even though it is a fictional weapon really it still looks like a gun pointing at the viewer or someone near them. It doesn't have to be the same gun to evoke the emotions and intent to consider them. As long as scenes aren't cut from the film itself it's not really something to worry about. Anyway I kinda am just repeating myself there isn't really an objective measurement for this sort of thing so this is in a level of precautionary consideration so it wouldn't have been too big a deal if they didn't do this but even a bit less a deal they did since it has good intent and isn't forceful or over the top so.

traed said:
@Phendrus
Do you know what PTSD is? Post Traumatic Stress disorder. Okay now do you know what a trigger is? I mean what it REALLY is not that stupid meme? A trigger is something that triggers a response that causes someone to relive a trauma as if it's happening. This may include things like a "flash back" or an anxiety attack. This is how peoples brains are wired to learn from experience. Okay now do you know what a stressor is? A stressor is what causes anxiousness and a sense of discomfort in it's association with a negative experience but not necisarily a trigger. Think about it. It's not just a gun it's a drawn gun pointing toward the viewer as if you're about to be shot ir someone near you is to be shot. Shouldn't it not be hard to see how that would be a trigger or stressor to people with PTSD caused by being in a shooting or losing someone to a shooting or in any other way connected to it somehow? Would this not also effect people with empathy that when they see such things their brain makes them remember a sad event like that ?

@-Placeholder-
Your problem is you are making up a non existent enemy and aren't considering victims are the target of consideration. It's not about offence but empathy and consideration. In fact in the article itself it specifically said this other poster is just an alternative and it clearly indicated the original one is still available.

Drunk_Samurai said:


"Victims". Tell me how a dead person is going to bitch about something not being censored.

traed said:

Victim doesn't always necisarily mean people that died or wounded but people that were there because it's psychological effects and friends and family of those who were harmed or died. There just isn't a proper word that I am aware of that ads that distinction to be more specific.