| There I said it. It's distracting and ruins the art. |
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| Can't say I agree with that, at all really. |
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| It's the secret ingredient to WOWs the new anime watcher. |
| The blur is called depth of field. Is not something that needs to be done in anime, but that's how both our eyes and cameras work, so replicating that effect in anime is normal, either if you're trying for a realistic/film look or if you simply want the scene to focus on something. About the "filters" i think you're mistaken with how they use light in this show. Just like with depth of field, they're replicating how a camera works. In the second example it's very obvious because of the way the windows "shine" and the washed out look that kind of lighting gives. You might like it or not, but it's not filters and blur just because, it has a reason behind it it's an artistic direction and it's used properly. |
| Yeah, the video looks like it was ran through a lot of Instagram filters. The contrast is low, blending the dark tones with the medium tones. Theoretically, this softer look is supposed to elicit more feels. I generally prefer slightly punchier contrast like this. |
| I agree with this effect, i suppose everyone has their taste!! |
| The problem isnt the blur themselves, its the fact that its so overdone and washed out it really takes away from the visuals by a considerable margin. Depth of field has been done in tons of shows but to less gross looking outcomes. They really just need to tone it down to a point where the lines on the drawings dont become so washed out, cause thats taking it to an absurd. Some people have been removing the filters to showcase what we could of gotten, Yeah the show looks so much better without it https://i.imgur.com/UOl1IqY.jpg I think the offensive part too is, the bloom effect in the fixed images looks so much more natural too. but whilst on the topic, this picture kind of sums it up  |
JizzyHitlerJan 11, 2018 8:14 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I guess you have to start setting the mood for the show, and get you involved in the feelings involved in the context. I think that's just their strategy to acomplish that. I would like more contrast on the photography, as was stated above, and with that maybe more definition on the lines, taken by this blur and filters. Otherwise, I really liked this first episode. |
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 Got this pic from the show's twitter account, they aren't even trying to deny it lol. |
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Grim1952 said: The blur is called depth of field. Is not something that needs to be done in anime, but that's how both our eyes and cameras work, so replicating that effect in anime is normal, either if you're trying for a realistic/film look or if you simply want the scene to focus on something. About the "filters" i think you're mistaken with how they use light in this show. Just like with depth of field, they're replicating how a camera works. In the second example it's very obvious because of the way the windows "shine" and the washed out look that kind of lighting gives. You might like it or not, but it's not filters and blur just because, it has a reason behind it it's an artistic direction and it's used properly. ^truth KyoAni switching up their usual lack of filters and going for something cinematic doesn't mean it's terrible. |
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| how is it distracting if anything it looks great quite frankly bringing attention to art is only an upside |
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| I dont like it either. When I see blurred parts its just a lazy way to disregard backgrounds it seems to me. But the girls look good so hey, who cares? |
BaneofKermit said: Grim1952 said: The blur is called depth of field. Is not something that needs to be done in anime, but that's how both our eyes and cameras work, so replicating that effect in anime is normal, either if you're trying for a realistic/film look or if you simply want the scene to focus on something. About the "filters" i think you're mistaken with how they use light in this show. Just like with depth of field, they're replicating how a camera works. In the second example it's very obvious because of the way the windows "shine" and the washed out look that kind of lighting gives. You might like it or not, but it's not filters and blur just because, it has a reason behind it it's an artistic direction and it's used properly. ^truth KyoAni switching up their usual lack of filters and going for something cinematic doesn't mean it's terrible. Just cause its an intentional decision doesn't make it any better. Maybe even because they did it intentionally actually gives me even more reason to complain about it. |
| It's the director's decision I think. You are free to like it or dislike it. Personally, I feel a that they overdid it a bit, but it doesn't really ruin the watching experiences for me. |
| Completly agree. In some scenes it worked well but most of the time it was just unnecessary. |
FP_SagaS said: BaneofKermit said: ^truth KyoAni switching up their usual lack of filters and going for something cinematic doesn't mean it's terrible. Just cause its an intentional decision doesn't make it any better. Maybe even because they did it intentionally actually gives me even more reason to complain about it. The problem is that is your personal view, which is again subject to bias. People will like it, dislike it or has neutral opinion on it. You can complain all you want, but it won't change anything, since the director has that kind of personal preferences, just look at Kyoukai no Kanata. And the director also probably aware that this kind complain he would get, but despise of knowing it, he still chose to use this kind of approach. |
| The blurs are annoying in presenting the background clearly, which is what many viewers want to see aside from the characters or the focus of the scene. |
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TriZen said: FP_SagaS said: Just cause its an intentional decision doesn't make it any better. Maybe even because they did it intentionally actually gives me even more reason to complain about it. The problem is that is your personal view, which is again subject to bias. People will like it, dislike it or has neutral opinion on it. You can complain all you want, but it won't change anything, since the director has that kind of personal preferences, just look at Kyoukai no Kanata. And the director also probably aware that this kind complain he would get, but despise of knowing it, he still chose to use this kind of approach. Dude this whole forum is to discuss things, "dont complain about anything anymore because it isn't going to change anything". |
ichii_1 said: There I said it. It's distracting and ruins the art. If anything it make you to focus on the characters and not on what happens around them, they did it in a silent voice too and i dont have any problems with that. |
The problem isn't the DoF effect, but the so called 'hipster' look the show has, it crushes the blacks and effectively reduces the dynamic range of every shot, making it appear dull even though the colors of the backgrounds are very vibrant I get that they were trying to give the show a 'Victorian-era' look, but I don't think they did a good job at that, the color grading is honestly very lazily done.  |
| Wow you really aren't used to KyoAni's magnificence |
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| I agree that they went crazy with the diffusion on certain scenes, It almost negates the crisp feeling if your watching it in HD. Don't know if they want to opt for that old film quality, or just want to blend some of those banding that occurs when using gradient effects. Either way compositing is only just one aspect of production, its still looks fucking gorgeous on every other aspect |
| that's kyoto animation for you |
Edward Elric > your waifu  |
| Uh let me ask. What is it that viewers prefer to focus on the characters or the background.I'm so confused right now. Well to each their own |
| 20 years old! And lost on the internet! |
| I think it is done right where all that matters on the screen is a character. take this for example:  |
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Grim1952 said: The blur is called depth of field. Is not something that needs to be done in anime, but that's how both our eyes and cameras work, so replicating that effect in anime is normal, either if you're trying for a realistic/film look or if you simply want the scene to focus on something. About the "filters" i think you're mistaken with how they use light in this show. Just like with depth of field, they're replicating how a camera works. In the second example it's very obvious because of the way the windows "shine" and the washed out look that kind of lighting gives. You might like it or not, but it's not filters and blur just because, it has a reason behind it it's an artistic direction and it's used properly. No it isn’t. You can tell it’s aimed after fake photo filters because the bokah surrounds the character and it’s not all in focus at the same depth like a camera would be.  |
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nicethings said: I don’t think you have any ground to “judge” kyoani’s magnificent art, Mr. Cowtits. I love this so much |
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nicethings said: Tell us more about anime, Mr. 225 Anime watchedI don’t think you have any ground to “judge” kyoani’s magnificent art, Mr. Cowtits. |
| I personally like it. It gives a much more natural, realistic feel, that is more suitable to this type of shows. Never liked sharp contrasts in shows that take themselves seriously (for example, in Fate/Zero, now those contrasts were distracting) |
SoldierDreamJan 20, 2018 12:31 AM
krautnuck said: nicethings said: I don’t think you have any ground to “judge” kyoani’s magnificent art, Mr. Cowtits. You don't need to be a chef to know when food tastes like shit. Cinematography is not food so sorry your point is invalid |
krautnuck said: nicethings said: I don’t think you have any ground to “judge” kyoani’s magnificent art, Mr. Cowtits. You don't need to be a chef to know when food tastes like shit. Google why food analogies are shit way to compare things. |
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| I agree. Don't remove it completely but reduce its occurrences |
| It's actually not any filter/effect. Kyoani just made the mistake of encoding their anime in limited range colours (16-235), while most people have displays that support the full range of colours (0-255). They did this because it's a TV release, and most old tvs have limited range. You can fix this by using a 16-235 -> 0-255 shader in your video player. Like this:  |
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