Old anime looks better than new anime?

Zapredon said:
And I bet this thread is baiting too right?

Zapredon said:
Anime then vs anime now. WTF happened.

Bourmegar said:

Why did you have to bring up Berserk here? Why? Why did you have to bring up that huge dissapointment in directing and Animation?

GOD DAM YOU LIDENFILMS AND MILEPENSEE!!!!!

@Jonouchi-Katsuya a good thing is that Toei mostly fixes the animations when it comes to dvd releases....

mizukasa said:
Old hentai definitely looks better than new hentai.

jal90 said:

Dude, this is like one of the most clear attempts at trolling/baiting in existence. In the example of HxH it is comparing an indoors shot with an outdoors night shot, that alone should speak volumes to you about how serious this thread and its comparisons are.

Zapredon said:
See. Another thread to prove old anime is better than new anime. Modern day anime get criticized more often than old anime while old anime rarely got criticized but glorified. I was proven right again and again. Old anime fans always go all their way out to prove old anime is superior, so it's no wonder old anime always being called nostalgiafag and sometimes elitism. It just natural.

-EDIT-
Will anime die on our generation?
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1629071

70s-90s anime better than modern?
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1568028

Why Most Old School Anime is way better than Seasonal Modern Anime?
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1426398

10 Reasons Why ’90s Anime Is Superior To Today’s
http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2013/04/10_reasons_why_90s_anime_is_superior_to_todays.php

How come animes from the 80s and 90s looks10x better than anime today?
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000121-anime-and-manga-other-titles/70201994

Look at all these topics trying desperately to prove old anime is better compare to modern anime. And there's actually still more but I too lazy to find all of them. There's also TAS. On the other hand, you don't see modern day anime fans try to prove modern day anime is better. Glorifying old anime thread is becoming as repeated common as elitist thread.

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:


So do you think Sailor Moon Crystal is better than original Sailor Moon? I am interested. Feel free to defend any one of these titles being brought up.

metadata said:


There is some late 60's and early 70's movies. Mushi productions has ~3 or so hentai, tho Belladonna of Sadness is more artistic in it's sexuality and watercolor artwork.

demonskul777 here by the by, if you still remember me

OT:

Depends on the artist and production values, really. There is no common denominator for either, to define and compare the artwork. Modern animation has become easier and all that, but budgets and time scarce. So in the end, it's mostly extra special effects and brighter colouring.

But no big differences in over-all quality.

urpoutta said:
Just end me.


Why you take this topic so seriously? This website is MAL like over the half of the threads are bait and trolls having their fun. Maybe even you're a troll just taking a step further in this, who knows.

Haven't you considered there are every kind of fans, so if a person has met those "modern" animu fans who shit on retro anime that might be their experience? I have met people who glorify 80's anime and refuse to watch 70's anime 'cuz it looks bad. And also those pre-2000 anime fans who dislike everything that isn't shiny and moe. But who cares. People don't demand a person to watch 80's TV show or currently airing series, if they just aren't interested. Why different attitude when it's about anime? Nerds man smh.


Ya know honestly speaking both suck in different parts. The 90's anime was created to sell toys so they changed the target audience, due to that they changed the plot and some characters and their development. It had it's bad animation moments like in the Sailor moon Super S. Add also slow pacing and generic Toei art style, that are in my book negative things.

Sailor Moon crystal is more faithful to the original story (actually it is really faithful so the quick pacing is on Naoko's, the directors still could have changed it for better) and at least tried to go more towards Naoko Takeuchi's style. CGI is not so good like in the Precure Happiness charge but Toei can still do it better than many other studios so it doesn't make your eyes bleed. Tbh transformations could have been just dropped. Manga doesn't have 'em and they tried to redo the old ones, I see no point in them. It's an ONA so I didn't expect any great animation and the lack of budget shows clearly. I'm not even sure why Toei wanted to do Crystal because I doubt it's a good cashcow.

TL;DR Sailor moon musicals are better than any SM anime

urpoutta said:
Just end me.


Why you take this topic so seriously? This website is MAL like over the half of the threads are bait and trolls having their fun. Maybe even you're a troll just taking a step further in this, who knows.

Haven't you considered there are every kind of fans, so if a person has met those "modern" animu fans who shit on retro anime that might be their experience? I have met people who glorify 80's anime and refuse to watch 70's anime 'cuz it looks bad. And also those pre-2000 anime fans who dislike everything that isn't shiny and moe. But who cares. People don't demand a person to watch 80's TV show or currently airing series, if they just aren't interested. Why different attitude when it's about anime? Nerds man smh.

Zapredon said:
modern day anime fans rarely try to prove how superior modern day anime is.

Seiya said:


Modern day fans don't have to, because about 90% of people who currently frequent Anime forums like all the same stuff they do.

Old school fans like me have a much harder time finding friends who share the same interest in Anime.

Zapredon said:


Perhaps so but regardless of whatever reason they do that, it still doesn't change the fact people who claim old anime is superior outnumber people who claim modern day is superior and I disagree with people who said it's there are more people saying old anime is inferior. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Seiya said:


No, they certainly don't outnumber people who claim modern Anime is superior.

It seems that way to you, because of a certain "vocal minority." There's lots of people who say that they hate old Anime, and only watch newer stuff, but they don't say it so loudly, and people seem to ignore them.

Zapredon said:


No they don't hate old anime. They just ignore old anime. They never make thread or posting youtube videos to prove how superior are modern anime are compare to old anime. Not being vocal or do not say it loudly prove that.

Seiya said:


Yes, many of them DO hate old Anime, not all, but many. You do not speak for all modern Anime fans, and OP doesn't speak for all old school Anime fans.

Zapredon said:


I don't speak for them but that doesn't stop me proving that more people claim old anime is superior than the other way around. I've been here since 2008 but I rarely see anyone said they hate old anime other than just ignore old anime. Who are these imaginary people you talking about? You said that they don't said it loudly and yet, you said there's lots of them? Contradiction?

Seiya said:


Have you ever eyed the "Recommendations" section? I've come across people in there who said "Nothing before 2010, because I don't like old stuff," more times than I can count.

Stop trying to play the victim.

Zapredon said:
See. Another thread to prove old anime is better than new anime. Modern day anime get criticized more often than old anime while old anime rarely got criticized but glorified.

Perhaps so but regardless of whatever reason they do that, it still doesn't change the fact people who claim old anime is superior outnumber people who claim modern day is superior and I disagree with people who said there are more people saying old anime is inferior. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Seiya said:


Modern day fans don't have to, because about 90% of people who currently frequent Anime forums like all the same stuff they do.

Old school fans like me have a much harder time finding friends who share the same interest in Anime.

Zapredon said:


How does that mean they hated it? Like I said, they just ignore it. Some people know in advance they are not use to old animation/artstyle so they tell in advance not to recommend it. I drop LoGH ( one of the most critically acclaim classic anime) after watching 30 episodes and you know why,it because I'm not used to the old artstyle/animation. However, even dropping it, I didn't rate it because I know it will be unfair to old anime since it can't be helped old anime having that old artstyle.

You need to realize that ignore =/= hating.

Fvlminatvs said:
@romagia--Death Note is retro? Then what the hell is Macross to you? Paleolithic cave paintings?


Oh for God's sake, not this again. This is the third time I've seen you spout this.
Give it a rest. Please. Only the OP was actively bashing new anime until you showed up and started spouting this nonsense. Everyone else was being civil. Besides, some people like old animation better. Deal with it.

And stop stereotyping everyone that disagrees with you as an "elitist"--stereotyping is creepy. Stop.

Besides, nearly 60% of responses say "Sometimes." That's a perfectly rational response. Less than 20% said old anime looks better than new. Stop trying to make a federal case out of nothing.

The OP is a troll. Congratulations on feeding him. @urpoutta and @xenovibe pretty much have you pegged, Zap.


In every other thread I see you in, you're trying to make this point.

Well, it has been made. A thousand times over. The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

Besides, like 20% of the responders claim old anime is superior. That's it. 20%.

So this fact you are talking about is unsupported and evidence from this thread alone suggests this so-called fact of yours is more likely fiction.

And of that 20%, only the OP on this thread really actively bashed older anime. Almost everybody else said they preferred one over the other, but that's all.

Give it a rest, please.


Pretty much. Zap seems upset that he isn't in a 100% pure echo-chamber where everyone agrees with him on the "obvious" and "objective" superiority of anime after 2010.

Zapredon said:
Naah, there will always be old anime fan who play the victim card and accuse modern day anime fans actively bashing old anime.

Sorry, it's the other way around and no intention to stop.

Seiya said:


What makes you think that OP "Hates" all modern Anime? He's simply stating that he "Prefers" older Anime, but whenever someone does that, they get attacked. He's simply trying to find friends who share his interest.

When people that say like newer Anime, nothing negative happens. As a matter of fact, on a site with many young people, they simply state that they "like" Anime, and most of the posters just assume that they're referring to modern Anime.

Zapredon said:


Hate or not, it still doesn't change fact old anime fans are actively try to prove old anime>modern anime.

Fvlminatvs said:

Projection. It's actually you playing the victim card.


Then you are a troll and should be treated as such.

Oh for God's sake, not this again. This is the third time I've seen you spout this.
Give it a rest. Please. Only the OP was actively bashing new anime until you showed up and started spouting this nonsense. Everyone else was being civil. Besides, some people like old animation better. Deal with it.

And stop stereotyping everyone that disagrees with you as an "elitist"--stereotyping is creepy. Stop.

Besides, nearly 60% of responses say "Sometimes." That's a perfectly rational response. Less than 20% said old anime looks better than new. Stop trying to make a federal case out of nothing.

The OP is a troll. Congratulations on feeding him. @urpoutta and @xenovibe pretty much have you pegged, Zap.

The stereotypical go-to show for an elitist to praise is that of Legend of the Galactic Heroes which is a long, multi-season space opera that was originally released during the late 80’s to the late 90’s. It oozes what appeals to the modern anime elitist stereotype: multiple interwoven plot-lines, complex characters, well written drama, its age, and a lot of these qualities making the show typically overlooked by the fan population at large. While this should not reflect poorly on a good show, it is always worth recognizing the kinds of people that an anime will attract. While an anime elitist will praise certain kinds of shows, however, it is typical for them to shit on shows that they dislike, either for their quality or depth in writing, popularity, fanbase, release date, and other qualities. To phrase it another way, elitists tend to be much more critical of shows in terms of their technical qualities, and will most likely go out of their way to both critique shows and post their ideas online. They may also find challenging shows in order to be able to put another feather in their cap in regards to “experience” for the sake of it rather than attempting to broaden their horizons.

What exactly breeds this kind of animosity, though? Why would people in what has traditionally been a niche hobby want to alienate others based on their taste? What can really be gained from it? Well “traditionally” is a decent indicator as to why this might be. While the first breed of anime fans grew up with the likes of Astro Boy and Neo Human Casshan, the difficulty in acquiring other anime that had been licensed by companies in the West, let alone translated into English, was slim to none. Anime would receive its first boom in the early 90’s with the likes of films like Akira becoming popular world wide in the late 80’s and Ghost in the Shell releasing in the mid 90’s, which left a heavy influence on much of Western pop culture, with Akira being primarily responsible for the cyberpunk genre that saturated much of anime at the time. While it’s arguable that the most vocal and common anime fans on the internet are those that grew up in the late 90’s/early 00’s with Toonami and Adult Swim, these spaced out groups of people can easily be attributed to this rise in feelings of superiority. Those that have been familiar with anime longer and have experienced more of the trends and changes that the media has gone through may feel distanced from the newer ones coming in on the backs of Attack on Titan or Sword Art Online, shows that someone who grew up with Voltron or Yu Yu Hakusho might consider beneath their own tastes for various reasons, be it style, writing, setting, or even how it’s animated.

With the rise of the internet came anime that was more easily accessible, and in the age of streaming and pirating, there’s little to wonder why the fanbase is so large. Being an outcast or special for enjoying anime is no longer really something that occurs, and older fans might be bitter about this since not too long ago admitting you liked anime to some people translated to you admitting to liking tentacle porn. Although that ignorant mindset still exists, it’s a lot more difficult to come by nowadays, and the amount of anime being released has also increased exponentially in order to take advantage of this boom in fan population. Older fans may feel ostracized by the anime coming out now not holding the same kinds of themes, styles, or influences that the ones they love the most did, it reflects poorly on them when they lash out at those that enjoy what is currently being released. Sure, not all that tote the elitist mindset love old anime necessarily, but they do have a similar mindset towards the newer fans that cosplay as Kirito or the Scouting Regimen soldiers at cons and seem to be noncritical about what they love. On the flip side, casual fans might criticize others on taking anime too seriously and not letting themselves enjoy anything without pointing out flaws and inconsistencies, or being just as narrow-minded as they accuse casuals of being while seeking out things they dislike just to have the ability to make fun of it.

The in-fighting in the community is inevitable, though it’s unfortunate that it misses the point of enjoying a hobby in the first place: people enjoying things in their own way. Their values in regards to that hobby is based on what they personally consider to be the most important aspects of that hobby, and their tastes and decisions will be molded by it. If someone enjoys escapism anime or shows that allow them to be immersed in a big world with lots of characters like One Piece, what’s the problem? If someone else enjoys watching poor quality shows every now and then in order to appreciate their favorites more highly, is there anything wrong with that? Someone loving Love Live! and Code Geass isn’t necessarily going to hate G Gundam or Tenchi Muyo! just because they’re older as long as they’re willing to be open-minded. An older fan’s love for traditional animation and the feeling of older anime shouldn’t be used as an excuse to shut themselves off and berate new-comers; it is an opportunity for them to show what they grew up with and, in time, be willing to watch new shows that they can find appealing for the same reasons the shows they loved growing up did. Anime fans have such a great wealth of shows to choose from and explore, as well as peers that they already have something in common with, that they’re only hurting themselves when they try to categorize some being better or worse than others.

In every other thread I see you in, you're trying to make this point.

Well, it has been made. A thousand times over. The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

Besides, like 20% of the responders claim old anime is superior. That's it. 20%.

So this fact you are talking about is unsupported and evidence from this thread alone suggests this so-called fact of yours is more likely fiction.

And of that 20%, only the OP on this thread really actively bashed older anime. Almost everybody else said they preferred one over the other, but that's all.

Give it a rest, please.

Pretty much. Zap seems upset that he isn't in a 100% pure echo-chamber where everyone agrees with him on the "obvious" and "objective" superiority of anime after 2010.

Seiya said:


Listen buddy, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who is so worried that there's people out there who prefer something that you don't.

Go outside, get some fresh air, and worry about more important matters.

Zapredon said:


In case you haven't realize, you are the one who decided to reply to me first.

Seiya said:


Well, I thought I'd chip in, seeing that you came into this thread complaining that all of us old school fans are apparently "haters" to you.

Go read some Spider-man comics or something.