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Jun 21, 2017 3:47 AM
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Why is it always things that portray women (somewhat) negatively that get censored, yet women's genres that do the exact same thing are ignored.

What's with the double standard by Feminists, your perfectly fine with sexual violence of men, but not women.

Even if some feminists are fine with freedom of Expression, can you not see how by support feminism in general allows this thing to happen.

You're putting your ideals and views ahead at the expense of everyone's.

One could also argue the sexual violence in Ecchi as well.
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Jun 21, 2017 3:52 AM
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I saw the Violence toward women thread and was just waiting for this thread to appear.








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I saw the Violence toward women thread and was just waiting for this thread to appear.



I can't stand hypocrisy, and that is what Feminism is.
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Because there isn't as many people complaining about the way men are portrayed than there are people complaining about how women portrayed. You hear about the double standards against women daily, yet you rarely ever hear about the double standards against men. And it's not because they don't exist because they definitely do, it's just not talked about enough and having enough attention brought to it.

And then there's also the whole thing where some people seem to think men can't be raped or sexually assaulted because "they always want it". Sexual assault of men tends to get blown off or ignored, or men are made to think they shouldn't talk about it because getting raped/sexually assaulted makes them weak if from a woman, or gay if from a man. And because they never talk about it, people don't realize how often it can actually happen.

I don't think it's the support of feminism that's allowing it to happen, it's just not enough people bringing attention to the fact that there are double standards against men.
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Nyu said:
ClavisM said:
I saw the Violence toward women thread and was just waiting for this thread to appear.



I can't stand hypocrisy, and that is what Feminism is.


Tbh I understand what you mean. It is pretty ridiculous to criticise one and not the other, rather than the entire issue of sexual violence as a whole. Although people do criticise the sexual violence in Yaoi, I don't see it nearly as often.







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what does the un has to do with anything lol
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There is no such thing as "sexual violence against men".

That is what society wants you to know.
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eamij said:
Because there isn't as many people complaining about the way men are portrayed than there are people complaining about how women portrayed. You hear about the double standards against women daily, yet you rarely ever hear about the double standards against men. And it's not because they don't exist because they definitely do, it's just not talked about enough and having enough attention brought to it.

And then there's also the whole thing where some people seem to think men can't be raped or sexually assaulted because "they always want it". Sexual assault of men tends to get blown off or ignored, or men are made to think they shouldn't talk about it because getting raped/sexually assaulted makes them weak if from a woman, or gay if from a man.

I don't think it's the support of feminism that's allowing it to happen, it's just not enough people bringing attention to the double standards against men.


Considering Feminists tried to ban Sexual Violence against women in Anime/Media twice, why didn't they include men? They are likely very competent if they're in the UN, and it's common knowledge to know sexual violence of men is also portrayed in Anime. So, why isn't it included in their proposal, because they don't care about it, it doesn't fit their narrative that only women are oppressed.

Also Feminism is known for stopping discussions and movements for men's rights and Issues, so they are a barrier, and Feminism itself, why hasn't the movement moved onto Egalitarianism, they always go around propagating that they are for Gender Equality of men as well.
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Because full-blown yaoi is extremely niche, and there's very few yaoi anime to begin with. Ecchi is way, way more popular and common in anime, not to even mention the amount of hentai ovas - that's why it gets more attention.
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So OP? What's the logic of this thread in the first place anyway?

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fuyuki said:
Because full-blown yaoi is extremely niche, and there's very few yaoi anime to begin with. Ecchi is way, way more popular and common in anime not to even mention the amount of hentai ovas that's why it gets more attention.


Well sexual Violence against men isn't just in Yaoi, but Hentai in general, by female characters.
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Because it's wrong to sexualize (especially young) girls in any way, but not boys... even if it's a cartoon... says many feminists, and what's even worse is many of these women who complain have fantasies similar to those being portrayed in anime
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Are we talking about yaoi anime here? If u find that as sexual violence of men, then what about yuri anime? Sexual violence of women lol? How come yaoi anime is sexual violence of men, theres no hardcore/intense graphic like ur usual straight hentai and only few of them, plus only shounen ai(less graphic) are released rn. Yaoi/sho-ai as example is just wrong, that means you think yuri genre as sexual violence of women too. I think the one who kept complaining/bash about how women are potraying in anime its talking about ecchi/hentai genre in anime bcause theres 'a ton of them', bet they will not complain if only few of that genre are released. Just ignore those ppl.
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Nyu said:
eamij said:
Because there isn't as many people complaining about the way men are portrayed than there are people complaining about how women portrayed. You hear about the double standards against women daily, yet you rarely ever hear about the double standards against men. And it's not because they don't exist because they definitely do, it's just not talked about enough and having enough attention brought to it.

And then there's also the whole thing where some people seem to think men can't be raped or sexually assaulted because "they always want it". Sexual assault of men tends to get blown off or ignored, or men are made to think they shouldn't talk about it because getting raped/sexually assaulted makes them weak if from a woman, or gay if from a man.

I don't think it's the support of feminism that's allowing it to happen, it's just not enough people bringing attention to the double standards against men.


Considering Feminists tried to ban Sexual Violence against women in Anime/Media twice, why didn't they include men? They are likely very competent if they're in the UN, and it's common knowledge to know sexual violence of men is also portrayed in Anime. So, why isn't it included in their proposal, because they don't care about it, it doesn't fit their narrative that only women are oppressed.

Also Feminism is known for stopping discussions and movements for men's rights and Issues, so they are a barrier, and Feminism itself, why hasn't the movement moved onto Egalitarianism, they always go around propagating that they are for Gender Equality of men as well.


I think it's because when it happens to men in media, people tend to not see it as sexual assault because of the dumb idea that "men always want it". And even if it does seem like it could be sexual assault, for some reason, people don't see it as bad when it happens to men. I imagine that is because women are seen as weaker and easier to take advantage of than men are, which again goes back to how men are said to feel about sex, "he's a man, he could have defended himself if he didn't actually want it".

Some modern feminists do tend to not use common sense and insist that straight white men have no problems in life, but I also don't think they're entirely the problem with double standards against men. Yes, they can be a problem at times, but again, I think if more people were speaking out against the double standards men have and made people realize that it does exist, more people would do something about it.
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Because men, in general, are less sensitive and insecure about how their sex is portrayed in works of fiction? I don't know. I have no problem with yaoi existing, but yeah, I also don't see a reason why yuri should be treated any different just because it's females.
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Don't you dare come between me and my gay rape doujins.

When it comes to depicting sexual violence in doujins/manga, Japan has been pretty protective of the artists so far. The UN got btfo hard by some female hentai artist a while ago, when they tried to pressure Japan into limiting artistic freedom because of muh violence. My only fear is that they'll try to "clean up" their image because of the upcoming Olympics.

I think people who are worried about Japan censoring their comics should just show support for the artists and buy as much fucked up material as they can. There's really not much else to do, aside from having fruitless arguments with the feminists.
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You really think feminists care about men? lol.



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eamij said:
Nyu said:


Considering Feminists tried to ban Sexual Violence against women in Anime/Media twice, why didn't they include men? They are likely very competent if they're in the UN, and it's common knowledge to know sexual violence of men is also portrayed in Anime. So, why isn't it included in their proposal, because they don't care about it, it doesn't fit their narrative that only women are oppressed.

Also Feminism is known for stopping discussions and movements for men's rights and Issues, so they are a barrier, and Feminism itself, why hasn't the movement moved onto Egalitarianism, they always go around propagating that they are for Gender Equality of men as well.


I think it's because when it happens to men in media, people tend to not see it as sexual assault because of the dumb idea that "men always want it". And even if it does seem like it could be sexual assault, for some reason, people don't see it as bad when it happens to men. I imagine that is because women are seen as weaker and easier to take advantage of than men are, which again goes back to how men are said to feel about sex, "he's a man, he could have defended himself if he didn't actually want it".

Some modern feminists do tend to not use common sense and insist that straight white men have no problems in life, but I also don't think they're entirely the problem with double standards against men. Yes, they can be a problem at times, but again, I think if more people were speaking out against the double standards men have and made people realize that it does exist, more people would do something about it.


So you're saying because of the general perception of men in this topic, it's justifiable that the UN exclude mentioning men?
That's only makes them hypocrites, and shows how shallow their beliefs are.
Not only that, Feminists are known pushing their views where they're not wanted, they don't just give then, so how's it acceptable for them to just give up on tacking the issue of Sexual Violence against men.

You're right about one thing, men need to start speaking out.
How come you don't address my point about Feminist propaganda, which states that Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men. They are using underhanded tactics to prevent men from speaking out, and instead getting them into their movement that does nothing for men.
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Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?
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My only fear is that they'll try to "clean up" their image because of the upcoming Olympics.


That is my concern as well, hopefully Japan stands up for Freedom of Expression.

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Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?


Well because If we don't point out the shallowness, the blatant hypocrisy of Feminism, more people will only become influenced by it.
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The difference between ecchi/loli and yaoi is that the former is trash while the latter isn't
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Nyu said:
fuyuki said:
Because full-blown yaoi is extremely niche, and there's very few yaoi anime to begin with. Ecchi is way, way more popular and common in anime not to even mention the amount of hentai ovas that's why it gets more attention.


Well sexual Violence against men isn't just in Yaoi, but Hentai in general, by female characters.
But hentai is still aimed at men, isn't it? Even if it contains abuse towards men it's not like it's "women's genre" (like you referred yaoi). I always though it's a form of men's fetishes.
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The difference between ecchi/loli and yaoi is that the former is trash while the latter isn't


And that is why ladies and gentlemens yuri is the best.
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eamij said:


I think it's because when it happens to men in media, people tend to not see it as sexual assault because of the dumb idea that "men always want it". And even if it does seem like it could be sexual assault, for some reason, people don't see it as bad when it happens to men. I imagine that is because women are seen as weaker and easier to take advantage of than men are, which again goes back to how men are said to feel about sex, "he's a man, he could have defended himself if he didn't actually want it".

Some modern feminists do tend to not use common sense and insist that straight white men have no problems in life, but I also don't think they're entirely the problem with double standards against men. Yes, they can be a problem at times, but again, I think if more people were speaking out against the double standards men have and made people realize that it does exist, more people would do something about it.


So you're saying because of the general perception of men in this topic, it's justifiable that the UN exclude mentioning men?
That's only makes them hypocrites, and shows how shallow their beliefs are.
Not only that, Feminists are known pushing their views where they're not wanted, they don't just give then, so how's it acceptable for them to just give up on tacking the issue of Sexual Violence against men.

You're right about one thing, men need to start speaking out.
How come you don't address my point about Feminist propaganda, which states that Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men. They are using underhanded tactics to prevent men from speaking out, and instead getting them into their movement that does nothing for men.


When did I ever imply that it was okay to be hypocritical about it? I was saying that I think that's why it's not seen as more of an issue, but I never said it was okay, because it's not. Which is why I said several times that more people should point out double standards men have.
I don't think they're intentionally excluding men because they don't want men to have the same rights, it's just not seen as being as bad for reasons I've already said.
Every group of people has those who push their beliefs where they're not wanted. Feminists, religious people, liberals, republicans, ect. All are equally as bad as the others.
Again, it's not acceptable and I think the problems is that there isn't enough attention on the topic of sexual violence against men, not that people are giving up on it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men".

I didn't address that part because I personally haven't heard anything about feminists shutting down mens' rights movements or even protests for mens' rights existing. I've seen people talk about mens' rights on the internet, but that's about how far I've seen it go. And usually those groups are just as bad as feminists with how extreme they can be.
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Because it's wrong to sexualize (especially young) girls in any way, but not boys... even if it's a cartoon... says many feminists,

Can you actually find a quote of anyone saying this?
Because I've certainly never heard anyone say anything close to this.
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Actually, I don't see people trying to remove lesbians in Anime at all if that were the equivalent. The so-called feminists you are referring to just wants tits and ass out of games and they're also against underaged lolis.

BL Anime:
- Only a handful depict dubcon (and those ones get lots of backlash from feminists) and more of the recent ones are clean (Doukyuusei and Kono Danshi as examples)
- They're above age of consent (except few series which actually do get roasted by feminists such as "Okane ga Nai")

As a female in the female anime fan community, yes, feminists actually pick on BL stuff and call some problematic if it shows stuff like BDSM or dubcon.
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@AoiNomura This is what I was talking about



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eamij said:
Nyu said:


So you're saying because of the general perception of men in this topic, it's justifiable that the UN exclude mentioning men?
That's only makes them hypocrites, and shows how shallow their beliefs are.
Not only that, Feminists are known pushing their views where they're not wanted, they don't just give then, so how's it acceptable for them to just give up on tacking the issue of Sexual Violence against men.

You're right about one thing, men need to start speaking out.
How come you don't address my point about Feminist propaganda, which states that Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men. They are using underhanded tactics to prevent men from speaking out, and instead getting them into their movement that does nothing for men.


When did I ever imply that it was okay to be hypocritical about it? I was saying that I think that's why it's not seen as more of an issue, but I never said it was okay, because it's not. Which is why I said several times that more people should point out double standards men have.
I don't think they're intentionally excluding men because they don't want men to have the same rights, it's just not seen as being as bad for reasons I've already said.
Every group of people has those who push their beliefs where they're not wanted. Feminists, religious people, liberals, republicans, ect. All are equally as bad as the others.
Again, it's not acceptable and I think the problems is that there isn't enough attention on the topic of sexual violence against men, not that people are giving up on it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men".

I didn't address that part because I personally haven't heard anything about feminists shutting down mens' rights movements or even protests for mens' rights existing. I've seen people talk about mens' rights on the internet, but that's about how far I've seen it go. And usually those groups are just as bad as feminists with how extreme they can be.


I understood your point about double standards, but I didn't know you were applying that to the people at the UN, who obviously know better and purposely excluded men from their campaigns against the portrayal of sexual violence.
While their is a lack of attention on the issue, the UN should know better, and perhaps refocus their efforts to include men's issues, instead of solely focusing on women, cause the UN is supposedly for everyone.

I'm surprised you haven't seen the multitudes of Feminists claim Feminism is for Men's rights (instead of women's only).
Major Organisations do it as well.

Honestly, it's propaganda, to stop men's rights groups from forming.
Cause if they convince people, that Feminism already handles men's rights, there is no need for a Men's rights movement.

It's like how the Nazis were called National Socialists or how North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
The Nazis weren't socialists, they hated Communism, and only had that as part of their name to gain support from Socialists.
Same with North Korea, they aren't Democratic, yet they call themselves that to make people think they're democratic.
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Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?

I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.
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Sexual content isn't usually seen as a problem. Problem they point out is usually the underage sexualisation, regardless of gender

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Actually, I don't see people trying to remove lesbians in Anime at all if that were the equivalent. The so-called feminists you are referring to just wants tits and ass out of games and they're also against underaged lolis.

BL Anime:
- Only a handful depict dubcon (and those ones get lots of backlash from feminists) and more of the recent ones are clean (Doukyuusei and Kono Danshi as examples)
- They're above age of consent (except few series which actually do get roasted by feminists such as "Okane ga Nai")

As a female in the female anime fan community, yes, feminists actually pick on BL stuff and call some problematic if it shows stuff like BDSM or dubcon.
this^agree.
Feminists pick on BL/yaoi community too, they complaining BL/yaoi that've underage(shota), rape, bdsm undertones. Ex: when super lovers come out lmao
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who cares, it's only drawn.........


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Nyu said:
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When did I ever imply that it was okay to be hypocritical about it? I was saying that I think that's why it's not seen as more of an issue, but I never said it was okay, because it's not. Which is why I said several times that more people should point out double standards men have.
I don't think they're intentionally excluding men because they don't want men to have the same rights, it's just not seen as being as bad for reasons I've already said.
Every group of people has those who push their beliefs where they're not wanted. Feminists, religious people, liberals, republicans, ect. All are equally as bad as the others.
Again, it's not acceptable and I think the problems is that there isn't enough attention on the topic of sexual violence against men, not that people are giving up on it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Feminism is for Gender Equality of Men".

I didn't address that part because I personally haven't heard anything about feminists shutting down mens' rights movements or even protests for mens' rights existing. I've seen people talk about mens' rights on the internet, but that's about how far I've seen it go. And usually those groups are just as bad as feminists with how extreme they can be.


I understood your point about double standards, but I didn't know you were applying that to the people at the UN, who obviously know better and purposely excluded men from their campaigns against the portrayal of sexual violence.
While their is a lack of attention on the issue, the UN should know better, and perhaps refocus their efforts to include men's issues, instead of solely focusing on women, cause the UN is supposedly for everyone.

I'm surprised you haven't seen the multitudes of Feminists claim Feminism is for Men's rights (instead of women's only).
Major Organisations do it as well.

Honestly, it's propaganda, to stop men's rights groups from forming.
Cause if they convince people, that Feminism already handles men's rights, there is no need for a Men's rights movement.

It's like how the Nazis were called National Socialists or how North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
The Nazis weren't socialists, they hated Communism, and only had that as part of their name to gain support from Socialists.
Same with North Korea, they aren't Democratic, yet they call themselves that to make people think they're democratic.


It should be common sense for everyone to know better since it seems pretty obvious to me, but society has spent so long telling everyone that "men always want sex and doing anything sexual towards men is always wanted" that most people can't get out of that mindset. You'd be surprised how many people who you think should know better about things don't. Sexual assault in general is awful regardless of who it's against.

I've actually never heard it that. I've obviously heard "feminism is for equality", but that's usually followed by "of women and LGBT". I've always heard from feminists that "men don't need more rights because they already have them, but women don't have all of the same rights".

I do agree that it's not right for them to claim they include mens' rights or equal rights while actually insisting that men have no problems.
That's one of the reasons I don't really consider myself a feminist anymore. It claims to be for equality on the surface, but the deeper you get into it, the more exclusive it gets.
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I think it's because of the sensor ship. Normally yaoi is pretty consensual if you look for the right things and is sold in a specific section of the book store. If it has any rape or non con then it would be marked as mature or 18+. i personally find any form of rape disgusting but their wouldn't be any supply if there was no demand. Plus, must of the yaoi that gets turned into anime are sensored and there's also shonen ai which is a tamer version of yaoi.

I think the problem the UN has with lolis, women violence, etc. is that it appears in regular very popular anime like fairytail and sometimes in Sao and Naruto. You can't really tell it's there at first and it's rare to get a series with no fan service now days. Yaoi and shonen ai aren't that popular( if you're not looking at YOI) in the first place and even within that community there is only a percentage of people who go for that thing.

I honestly think it's disgusting but people have the right to free censorship and if they mark their stuff so people who want to can avoid it I have no real problems. Also things that aren't yaoi glorify it too like certain SM and Hentai, etc.
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Valkyrie said:
Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?

I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.
I am sexually frustrated and a virgin, tis must be something else.

Tho I am nowhere even near being insecure.
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Why is it always things that portray women (somewhat) negatively that get censored, yet women's genres that do the exact same thing are ignored.

What's with the double standard by Feminists, your perfectly fine with sexual violence of men, but not women.

Even if some feminists are fine with freedom of Expression, can you not see how by support feminism in general allows this thing to happen.

You're putting your ideals and views ahead at the expense of everyone's.

One could also argue the sexual violence in Ecchi as well.

Why is there so much constantly whining and uhm... it's near to paranoia about feminism here?

Who said to you that sexual violence against men is perfectly fine? And even if, a single person's dumb opinion doesn't reflect what hundreds of other people think about a topic.

There is a reason why I score Junjou Romantica with 2 and dropped it after 5 episodes. And there are reasons I dislike most of the Yaoi in general.
And other things like Okane ga Nai got critic from all sides.. well, it's just bad. So bad, I'm even too ashamed to put the shit in my list, even if I would love to roast it. XD

Most of the yaoi manga are boring on the one hand. It's like reading a copy of your typical Shoujo manga and on the other hand, there was so much non-con, it really hurts and it's very cringy to read. I put them down in the middle of those situations anyway.
It's even more cringy to find a doujinshi of some characters you like and suddenly there is a (near-)rape-conten and heavy OOC.

Anyway. It's not a matter of feminism or political ideas or anything else.
It's a matter of a basic spark of a good character and a sign of basic humanity in a person to know that "no" means "no", regardless of the gender.

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I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.

Well. This could explain many things. XD
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Because it's wrong to sexualize (especially young) girls in any way, but not boys... even if it's a cartoon... says many feminists,

Can you actually find a quote of anyone saying this?
Because I've certainly never heard anyone say anything close to this.


if you've never heard anyone say anything close to this then you've had your head in a box when it comes to these things, ill find examples after work
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GOD DAMNIT! I'm so tired of your 'gender equality' threads and your constant whining about gender related stuff.

Don't you have anything better to do?
Is that all whats in your head?
Is that what you live for?
Why do you care so much?
Were you greatly unjustified during your life due to your gender?
Even then, do you have to drag your problems to us?
How about you go directly to feminist HQ and yell your issues to them?

*Sigh*, some people are SO obscessed is not even funny.
HyperLJun 21, 2017 8:33 AM
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Because people believe that is the divine punish for what men had done years back... :/


I mean, back then it was the best thing if you were a male...

Anyway, excluding shit from that dude, stop reading yaoi that portrays murder and stuff like that. I know there must be a vanilla somewhere... :/
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zodd0 said:
Valkyrie said:
Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?

I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.


Or because feminists keep trying to ban things because of it.

Azegi said:
Sexual content isn't usually seen as a problem. Problem they point out is usually the underage sexualisation, regardless of gender

Also since we are on the topic, join CA club now for means of better analysis of the problem. Just few minutes after watching each episode can make a difference!


Actually, the UN has attempted to get Japan to ban Anime/Media representing sexual violence against women twice.

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Why is it always things that portray women (somewhat) negatively that get censored, yet women's genres that do the exact same thing are ignored.

What's with the double standard by Feminists, your perfectly fine with sexual violence of men, but not women.

Even if some feminists are fine with freedom of Expression, can you not see how by support feminism in general allows this thing to happen.

You're putting your ideals and views ahead at the expense of everyone's.

One could also argue the sexual violence in Ecchi as well.

Why is there so much constantly whining and uhm... it's near to paranoia about feminism here?

Who said to you that sexual violence against men is perfectly fine? And even if, a single person's dumb opinion doesn't reflect what hundreds of other people think about a topic.

There is a reason why I score Junjou Romantica with 2 and dropped it after 5 episodes. And there are reasons I dislike most of the Yaoi in general.
And other things like Okane ga Nai got critic from all sides.. well, it's just bad. So bad, I'm even too ashamed to put the shit in my list, even if I would love to roast it. XD

Most of the yaoi manga are boring on the one hand. It's like reading a copy of your typical Shoujo manga and on the other hand, there was so much non-con, it really hurts and it's very cringy to read. I put them down in the middle of those situations anyway.
It's even more cringy to find a doujinshi of some characters you like and suddenly there is a (near-)rape-conten and heavy OOC.

Anyway. It's not a matter of feminism or political ideas or anything else.
It's a matter of a basic spark of a good character and a sign of basic humanity in a person to know that "no" means "no", regardless of the gender.

Zodd0 said:
I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.

Well. This could explain many things. XD


So when Feminists are actively trying to get anime censored, that's not whining.
The United Nations & Feminists said it's perfectly fine with their campaigns only take into account.
Such as their attempts to get sexual violence of women banned in Japan, why not men as well.

HyperL said:
GOD DAMNIT! I'm so tired of your 'gender equality' threads and your constant whining about gender related stuff.

Don't you have anything better to do?
Is that all whats in your head?
Is that what you live for?
Why do you care so much?
Were you greatly unjustified during your life due to your gender?
Even then, do you have to drag your problems to us?
How about you go directly to feminist HQ and yell your issues to them?

*Sigh*, some people are SO obscessed is not even funny.


Yeah, how dare people point out that Feminism claims to be for Gender Equality, but everything they do goes against that.

I got bored of gaming, they're all pretty much terrible now. So, forums have my full attention.
Nah, I have many other things I discuss on this site, like the book I'm writing, which takes place in an Alternative history, which Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won.
At the moment, I don't really have any priorities, so nothing to do really. I guess halting the Feminist advance on this site is interesting enough.
Why do I care so much? Cause I'm a White guy, and I get systemically discriminated because of Feminists, ever heard of Affirmative Action?
Why should I stay quiet, while feminists influence people with discriminatory ideas.
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Aquamirror said:
HyperL said:
GOD DAMNIT! I'm so tired of your 'gender equality' threads and your constant whining about gender related stuff.

Don't you have anything better to do?
Is that all whats in your head?
Is that what you live for?
Why do you care so much?
Were you greatly unjustified during your life due to your gender?
Even then, do you have to drag your problems to us?
How about you go directly to feminist HQ and yell your issues to them?

*Sigh*, some people are SO obscessed is not even funny.

Yep, just watch some brainwash TV and stfu, don't think about important stuff hehe


Yeah, let us discuss once again about the important stuff that was already discussed for like the 5th time this week. Most of which was brought to us by the same person and have the main purpose to function as anti-feminist propaganda.
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zodd0 said:
Valkyrie said:
Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone?

I'm pretty sure it's related to sexual frustration and insecurity amongst male virgins.
What about females who are sick of modern feminism? Where do we fit in? All I want from feminism is to focus on issues that actually matter (like women's rights in the Middle East, genital mutilation etc) instead of bullying people because of their taste in 2D porn.
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This is like the second time I see something regarding on feminism threads here buuuut... I don't really know. Because feminists don't care about males? I don't even know.
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There's is no relevant lobby for men's rights/issues but a strong lobby for women's rights/issues. That's just how it is.
I probably regret this post by now.
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Nyu said:

So when Feminists are actively trying to get anime censored, that's not whining.
The United Nations & Feminists said it's perfectly fine with their campaigns only take into account.
Such as their attempts to get sexual violence of women banned in Japan, why not men as well.

It's not just you. I see constantly whining in general tho like "I, the poor man, am so oppressed by that evil spawn of feminists!" The same people laugh about women, who do the same.
And don't get me wrong. I roll my eyes about women like that too. At least in my country. There are dozens of gender-related issues for both, men and women, but they are not life and health (psychological and physical)-threatening and don't hinder someone to live their lives in general.
So, I just hate to see people of first world countries complaining about how bad life is. You can name issues, of course, but don't make a drama of it.
It's like ... it's a big issue for LGBT people here to not have the same rights in marriage, BUT I'm positive about the next years and for now, Austria is one of the safest countries for me / us. So I can't complain THAT much.

And well, I'm not fond of censoring either. I hate that people can enjoy sexualized loli (speak of clearly underaged kids, who are forced into sexual relationships) and non-con in general, but I won't trying to stop them from doing so. I... just despise it in "silence", I guess? Man, I'm too lazy to go on barricades for drawings / fictional work. XD

It's a new and annoying trend to interpret the whole world in fictional works. Of course, I won't deny that fictional work can reflect PARTS of life in general, but even little children can differentiate between reality and fiction. And then there are those annoying people, who think adults couldn't. It's also really dumb and ridiculous, when people think an older teenager or an adult women would be okay with stalker and abusive habits of their boyfriend in reality, because they have enjoyed 50 Shades or Twilight years ago. I didn't hate them, because of the message(TM). It was just bad. XD
For starters, I don't need a message, because I can't stand those holier-than-thou-authors, who try to throw their opinions down your throat.
So, yes, I do know that the minority of people, who are enjoying rape-works are okay with rape in reality. I just hate the fact that they are enjoying it... but the same goes for women, who were so hyped about 50 Shades.

The only thing I ask for are respectable (in personality AND appearance) female characters and not-harem-situations in normal, not-niche anime (not for the sake of feminism, it's because I like it) ... and there are many of them. So I can't complain so much either.
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What about females who are sick of modern feminism? Where do we fit in? All I want from feminism is to focus on issues that actually matter (like women's rights in the Middle East, genital mutilation etc) instead of bullying people because of their taste in 2D porn.

Who here has "bullied" you about 2D porn? I've never to my recollection even heard a feminist mention 2D porn.
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There's is no relevant lobby for men's rights/issues but a strong lobby for women's rights/issues. That's just how it is.


And that needs to be changed.

Here in the west, women have more rights, and men are losing rights. Rights activists have no right to exist in North America in 2017.

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Maneki-Mew said:

It's not just you. I see constantly whining in general tho like "I, the poor man, am so oppressed by that evil spawn of feminists!"


In your country, do you get systemically discriminated because you're a woman? No. Yet, everywhere in the West, this happens to men.
Affirmative Action, supported by feminists, and Governments now.
When men try to go to College, get a job, or promotion, they are discriminated against because they are men, lesser qualified women would take their place, to help achieve a 50% ratio. Though keep in mind this only happens to men, so if work sector is dominated by women, Affirmative Action doesn't apply.
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