| Just want to share this to you all because the topic is so interesting interesting to me (and because i don't understand what he said a little bit XD ) What do you guys think ? Do you agree with his classification or not ? And if you disagree to his classification, Why ? I don't really understand it. but i know what he was trying to say. and i agree with him. that is a great way to classified anime in my opinion. BUT! i have a different way to see types of anime That classification only true to him, only VALID in his case. Edit: If you do not want to watch the Video: What he was talking in the video is; He classified anime into 5 Type of anime 1. Art. It means an anime with a heavy/serious Theme(story). sometimes it isn't really care with the Animation or it tends to has a unique animation. and more focused on the story. His example is : The Tatami Galaxy (Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei). tbh i don't know about that because i haven't watched the anime yet. For my example i guess i would say NHK ni Youkoso. 2. Product. It means the opposite of Art. It is more focused on the art (example : Ecchi or Slice of life or comedy show or romance) rather than the story. His example : To Love-Ru. and for me i would say either Yuru Yuri or Non Non Biyori or Gochuumon wa Usagi desu ka?! 3. Quasi-Art. It means an anime which focused more on the story but the anime try to look like a Product anime. so basically, the anime is still more focused on the story but they put a lot of effort on the visual too. His example is Angel Beats. Some people like the visual animation but Mostly people like/prefer the story. 4. Quasi-Product. Obviously the opposite of Quasi-Art. His Example : AnoHana. For me: One Punch Man. More into the action rather than story but it try to look like Art which it focused on the story. 5. Art-Product. Art-Product is focused on the both side, Art and the Product. Still try to make the story as heavy/deep/serious as possible but still not forgetting about either it is Ecchi, Harem, Slice of Life, or romance. His example is Kill la Kill. For me i would say, Gakkou Gurashi. With slice of life theme, they still pushed or put a lot of effort for the serious story. Tbh, i don't really know if i was summarizing it right or not based on the video, so i recommend you to watch the video. english is not my first language, so sorry for bad english. and btw, this classification is subjective. |
YizelTroMar 29, 2016 9:42 AM
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same with me XD something like slice of life or harem/ecchi type of show. |
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| Some slice of life such as Byousoku 5 Centimeter need an intelligent brain lol. |
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| Inbefore Joey-senpai will comment in this thread xD |
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| I do like the fact that Joey did this video. After all, this division somehow made me felt that anime viewers had different interests/tastes from one another (even if some will closely some other) when it comes to anime they liked. Although I could say that Joey may have not watched a lot of anime to say that the types he said there is not that apparent based on the graph he showed (I had no idea on what he actually tried there). Regardless of this post... Salokannel2 said: Inbefore Joey-senpai will comment in this thread xD |
Frankies_MonsterMar 29, 2016 5:49 AM
_Esper_ said: Some slice of life such as Byousoku 5 Centimeter need an intelligent brain lol. Why does 5 centimeters per second need an intelligent brain? |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Sorry, I cant answer that question. Its a complex things._Esper_ said: Some slice of life such as Byousoku 5 Centimeter need an intelligent brain lol. Why does 5 centimeters per second need an intelligent brain? |
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_Esper_ said: Sorry, I cant answer that question. Its a complex things. Okay. Was that supposed to be a joke? |
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| Not sure I understand the difference between Quasi-art and Quasi-product. Basically he's just saying Heavy Hipster - Light Hipster - Fun Hipster - Heavy Fun - Light Fun that's still too general to be an interesting classification. Also this bell curve is just wrong. If Art-Product is KLK and Monogatari, it's clearly not the majority, Product anime are. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Nope, that is my respond to "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF" because Byousoku 5 Centimeter is not that kind of show. The story is very complex where it wont "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF".Okay. Was that supposed to be a joke? |
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_Esper_ said: Tenshi_Shura said: Nope, that is my respond to "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF" because Byousoku 5 Centimeter is not that kind of show. The story is very complex where it wont "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF".Okay. Was that supposed to be a joke? That's why I asked why it needs an intelligent brain. It's not a show that's hard to comprehend and can easily be understood on first watch. Unless of course if we're talking about symbols that can only be understood if you're Japanese such as trains like what some people say. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Read the review in MAL and you will know that not all people is smart as you LoL_Esper_ said: Nope, that is my respond to "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF" because Byousoku 5 Centimeter is not that kind of show. The story is very complex where it wont "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF". That's why I asked why it needs an intelligent brain. It's not a show that's hard to comprehend and can easily be understood on first watch. Unless of course if we're talking about symbols that can only be understood if you're Japanese such as trains like what some people say. |
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| Oh boy, anime youtubers! They can never be wrong! Seriously, the fandoms that form around these guys are almost as cancer as Leafy, Pewdiepie, and various other blights on the internet, and the fans worship them like housewives watching Oprah. I'd be more inclined to believe this guy if he didn't praise SAO, repeatedly. If you want to preach to the masses, at least agree with what most of the blogosphere is saying in the first place. |
| > Doesn't summarize the video > Forces me to watch a youtube video. Just put a little effort in an opening post, maybe? |
| there are 2 types of guys in front of a camera talking.. ones that do text versions, and ones i don't bother with pretty sure there is at least one anime that doesnt fit those 5 categories |
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| What I think is that TheAnimeMan is poison. He constantly uses the I-see-a-lot-of-anime trumpcard to get away with saying disputable things without justifying them, makes tons of generalisations and has very linear logic even when he does try to explain his interpretations. Where would you place episodic mystery that don't really have a deeper message they're trying to convey, and no fan-service either? If what impresses you about this classification system is its comprehensivity (every anime has to fall somewhere), then I'd likely to propose an alternative system: There's only two types of anime: Anime that aired before 2005, anime that aired in or after 2005. Sounds absurd? (That's the point.) But even if you disregard the question of why anyone would want to classify anime this way, it's still got flaws. The most significant one, in my opinion, being that in order to differentiate between the three types: quasi-art, art-product and quasi-product, you have to interpret what the production team's intentions were. It's like trying to classify what anime is pretentious and what's deep. Nobody cares that Joey thinks that the Monogatari series is deep and Anohana isn't. And if the scale isn't absolute, that again begs the question: what was the fucking point to begin with? Also, bell curves don't belong here. |
ObliviousOkapiMar 30, 2016 2:20 AM
| Or maybe there are lot's of different ways to categorise anime, none of which entirely capture what any particular anime is like. |
| from these thread now i know many people doesn't like joey here on MAL. |
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| Another shitty youtube clown with clickbait titles spreading misinformed and generalized bullshit with people falling for it and throwing money/clicks at him? What else is new? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| On his conditions this is true, but that is only when using his conditions, otherwise this doesn't apply. |
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| I saw this video lol I guess I pretty much agree with it... yall already know #2 is my shit xD |
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| Where is the type that does not care about the art nor the story... |
| Story focus does not translate into Art. At all. Also virtually every anime series is a product that targets its cut of fans. I don't agree at all, that's just self-indulgent There are only five types of music. Pop. Hipster. Quasi-pop. Quasi-hipster. Pop hipster. No. |
LanzMar 29, 2016 9:04 AM
Milk_is_Special said: On his conditions this is true, but that is only when using his conditions, otherwise this doesn't apply. yeah...that is true. that classification are true only to him. that doesn't true to me. yes i agree with him but i have a different way to see types of anime. looks like people misunderstand my question. |
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| He should do types of anime fans next. I thought he only has haters on his youtube comment, but here as well. |
fideldesuMar 29, 2016 9:17 AM
| I really like the thumbnail.Rest Is bullocks. |
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| Bullshit generalizations. Judge each anime based on its objective, how good it is and how well it achieves it. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Bullshit generalizations. Judge each anime based on its objective, how good it is and how well it achieves it. Yeah I agree although I will add that it depends if you value or like the objective that the show tries to accomplish. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I think the main problem here is that it's all messed up. Art and theme end up meaning the same thing. Whether if it's "based on the story" or "based on the theme", is there even a difference there? If something's based on being in space then you would expect the story to be about space, but if it's only about space then that makes it a product anime even though it's also about the story. Is Berserk focused on the action or the story? The dub for Gakkou no Kaidan would change it from an art anime (although a shitty one) to a product anime. Many anime focus on the story without the story being any good, so they would fall into the first category without actually being serious. |
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| SO basically the classification is "deep" or "opposite", and there's levels of them. Let's change "product' to "Sakuga". Basically #2 is One Punch? Not the best looking stuff, with Madhouse involved, but it gets the job done. And change 1 to something else. Story theme could be an Urobochi or Miyazaki when there's a purpose. |
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zombie_pegasus said: I think the main problem here is that it's all messed up. Art and theme end up meaning the same thing. Whether if it's "based on the story" or "based on the theme", is there even a difference there? If something's based on being in space then you would expect the story to be about space, but if it's only about space then that makes it a product anime even though it's also about the story. Is Berserk focused on the action or the story? The dub for Gakkou no Kaidan would change it from an art anime (although a shitty one) to a product anime. Many anime focus on the story without the story being any good, so they would fall into the first category without actually being serious. According to his classification, Art is more focused on the story. story and theme is the same thing right ? "Many anime focus on the story without the story being any good, so they would fall into the first category without actually being serious." wouldn't it fall into the second catergory which is Product ? |
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| I think Joey is getting out of good ideas. No shame if you upload at least once a day but still. His explanation made sense to me though. |
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| So the 2nd group of anime is "Product"" which is the opposite of art because it focuses on the art of the anime. Genius. |
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delija9091 said: So the 2nd group of anime is "Product"" which is the opposite of art because it focuses on the art of the anime. Genius. yeah....i think he made a mistake on that one. at first i thought "wtf? Art is focused more on the story ?! wtf are you talking about?" but i watch his video until the end, and i guess Story and Art is the same thing to him. That's why he said 'Art' is an anime, a show which is focused more on the story. |
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| To his credit, he remained positive till the very end. However, I failed to understand the purpose of the whole classification. Genres do fine with me and, dattebayo, they are more than 10. So, the whole thing kind of starts from a very deficient consumer's POV, which could be easily avoided via Google. Second, bell-curves are statistic measures or representations derived from data. And data I saw none. So, please, use statistics only where is indeed applicable. And third, the major problems are that no real data support a comprehensive theory. For example, every anime - be it bad, mediocre, or good, is (1) a product of (2) art. Forcefully making a dichotomy of something that is integral by default, is kind of ... I don't know? Well, I am not an English native speaker, so I could have missed apprehension and whatnot, but, as noticed above, he uses a lot of terms interchangeably - like 'theme / story', perhaps in the good faith to appear less judgemental (=more objective). |
Tevens said: delija9091 said: So the 2nd group of anime is "Product"" which is the opposite of art because it focuses on the art of the anime. Genius. yeah....i think he made a mistake on that one. at first i thought "wtf? Art is focused more on the story ?! wtf are you talking about?" but i watch his video until the end, and i guess Story and Art is the same thing to him. That's why he said 'Art' is an anime, a show which is focused more on the story. How does the whole categorization that some anime focus on art and some focus on story make sense then if they're the same for him? Seems to me that the video is rather a waste of time. |
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| That is such a pointlessly-divisive attitude to have, and I don't like the implication that art = seriousness/story. |
| >What do you guys think ? Do you agree with his classification or not ? And if you disagree to his classification, Why ? I think this classification is only truly useful for critics, and runs orthogonal to the way I usually choose my anime. |
Pullman said: Another shitty youtube clown with clickbait titles spreading misinformed and generalized bullshit with people falling for it and throwing money/clicks at him? What else is new? Pullman, I think it's time. Time for you to become an E-class youtube celebrity. OT: That's a really weird way to classify things, and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose. All anime are meant to make money (and are therefore products). Whether the original creator was inspired to create them is completely separate, as is their artform-purpose. |
| Well I mean I'm weird with my preferences of art. I think Tatami Galaxy is one of the most beautifully animated shows with an absolute timeless artstyle. Same with ping pong in that regard. For me those shows also have the best kind of art lol. I feel I am in a large minority with that statement though, but I really feel those artstyles allow the creator to showcase large detail and his own touch to his work. |
| Brace yourself. Soon as LotGH 2017 comes out. The anime community is going to become so cancerous you will need to take cover and hide. |
Tenshi_Shura said: _Esper_ said: Nope, that is my respond to "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF" because Byousoku 5 Centimeter is not that kind of show. The story is very complex where it wont "TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF". That's why I asked why it needs an intelligent brain. It's not a show that's hard to comprehend and can easily be understood on first watch. Unless of course if we're talking about symbols that can only be understood if you're Japanese such as trains like what some people say. It doesn't, but it does have a message which is basically "don't linger on the past and get over it" and I've seen some people labelling it as an empty feels movie that tries to make us cry while completely ignoring the point that it's trying to make. So you could say it needs the viewer to not be an absolute idiot. |
| There 5 types of anime: type 1, type 2, type 3, type 4 and type 5... Really, though, I don't see the point. Genres have more nuance (not much more, but at least they're more useful) than just arbitrarily dividing anime in 5 categories. And it was strange to me that the definition of art he uses changed from "experimental, open ended interpretative ideas" to "deep". They're not really the same thing. More nitpicky stuff is how he smugly states that "the thing people don't know is that there are only 5 type of anime" as if the classification system he just came up with is supposed to be common knowledge or was already out there and people just don't bother learning it. Wensbane said: There are a couple of good anime Youtubers, but The Anime Man isn't one of them. His videos aren't really all that informative -- I have personally never learned or gained anything from them -- and this one is no exception... |
on ObliviousOkapi said: What I think is that TheAnimeMan is poison. He constantly uses the I-see-a-lot-of-anime trumpcard to get away with saying disputable things without justifying them, makes tons of generalisations and has very linear logic even he does try to explain his interpretations. Where would you place episodic mystery that don't really have a deeper message they're trying to convey, and no fan-service either? If what impresses you about this classification system is its comprehensivity (every anime has to fall somewhere), then I'd likely to propose an alternative system: There's only two types of anime: Anime that aired before 2005, anime that aired in or after 2005. Sounds absurd? (That's the point.) Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard this guy say something clever or at least not completely obvious. This list is basically "There are 2 types of anime, the good ones and the bad ones". This video is based on a really shitty and narrow minded definition of "art" by someone who thinks he's a genius for liking lain. |
TounioukMar 30, 2016 2:18 AM
| This desire to try and place all anime into distinct groups that are dependant on their balance between art and story is just flat out bizarre. Remind me what the point is? Do you see anyone doing this with Western TV or film? It's just weird. It really reeks of a pathetic need to justify a hobby or to try and elevate it into some super intellectual product. Genres are enough to convey what things are about. Any attempt to try and place something into these categories serve literally zero purpose. |
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black1blade said: TheBrainintheJar said: Bullshit generalizations. Judge each anime based on its objective, how good it is and how well it achieves it. Yeah I agree although I will add that it depends if you value or like the objective that the show tries to accomplish. I said that although perhaps it wasn't clear. You should also consider how worthy the aim is. A show that only wants to be sexy and drags for 25 episodes can hardly be good. |
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| So? You could also say - "There are only 2 types of anime. Anime in which someone wears a blue hat and anime in which nobody wears a blue hat" You can always categorise things if you just make up the categories, but that doesn't really mean anything consequential. |
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