| opm already surpass 9+ line. i already see storm comming. |
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billybobotaku said: Historys strongest disciple kenichi is the most underrated manga I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Sure it has the cliché weak kid becomes strong, but you see him grow and develop and see him train, fight, and overcome trials to become the strongest disciple. And the anime adaptation is one of the worst I have seen. Didn't the manga turn into an ecchi fest? |
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billybobotaku said: Historys strongest disciple kenichi is the most underrated manga I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Sure it has the cliché weak kid becomes strong, but you see him grow and develop and see him train, fight, and overcome trials to become the strongest disciple. And the anime adaptation is one of the worst I have seen. The anime was great, what were your issues with it? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| 7.82 and keep rising. This is the kind of rating I projected for Cavalry close to the manga counterpart. Right now it's 7.84 for manga but I'm optimist it will reach that point soon. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| 7.82 is a great score. |
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| the whole working series is Underrated/overlooked IMHO. |
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Kuma said: the whole working series is Underrated/overlooked IMHO. Overlooked, sure. The scores are pretty high for what it is. I'd even say the first two seasons are slightly overrated. 3rd season development was a pleasant surprise. billybobotaku said: Historys strongest disciple kenichi is the most underrated manga I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Sure it has the cliché weak kid becomes strong, but you see him grow and develop and see him train, fight, and overcome trials to become the strongest disciple. And the anime adaptation is one of the worst I have seen. What were the differences? Haven't read the manga, but a friend who did didn't have anything negative to say about the adaptation. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
| somebody's gonna have to explain to me how hacka doll is rated so low |
fst said: somebody's gonna have to explain to me how hacka doll is rated so low shorts always have low scores for some reason |
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fst said: somebody's gonna have to explain to me how hacka doll is rated so low it wasn't anything special? 6-ish score seems pretty accurate to me. |
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Pullman said: fst said: somebody's gonna have to explain to me how hacka doll is rated so low it wasn't anything special? 6-ish score seems pretty accurate to me. if it wasn't anything special it should be low to mid 7 |
fst said: Pullman said: it wasn't anything special? 6-ish score seems pretty accurate to me. if it wasn't anything special it should be low to mid 7 No that's just MAL making you think 7 is an average score. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| or maybe we have different conceptions of what constitutes "nothing special" |
Pullman said: MAL average is 7.16. Yeah 7 is average by MAL standard.fst said: if it wasn't anything special it should be low to mid 7 No that's just MAL making you think 7 is an average score. |
| Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
fst said: or maybe we have different conceptions of what constitutes "nothing special" 7 is literally good, how can that be the same as 'nothing special'? NeoAnkara said: Pullman said: MAL average is 7.16. Yeah 7 is average by MAL standard.No that's just MAL making you think 7 is an average score. 7 = good, it's written right next to it. I can't account for the rest of MAL overrating stuff, but that's what the score means. If you let the rest of the userbase dictate what the scores mean for you, than THEY are winning. |
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Pullman said: Theoretically you are right.7 = good, it's written right next to it. I can't account for the rest of MAL overrating stuff, but that's what the score means. If you let the rest of the userbase dictate what the scores mean for you, than THEY are winning. But really, you are not. MAL isn't overrating anything. It is a simple case of people not wanting to watch things they'd consider shit. Would you be willing to watch a S2 of Shigatsu for example? Or not a S2, but a show that has the exact same things you despise about Shigatsu? Yeah, other MAL users don't want that either. |
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Botato said: Pullman said: Theoretically you are right.7 = good, it's written right next to it. I can't account for the rest of MAL overrating stuff, but that's what the score means. If you let the rest of the userbase dictate what the scores mean for you, than THEY are winning. But really, you are not. MAL isn't overrating anything. It is a simple case of people not wanting to watch things they'd consider shit. Would you be willing to watch a S2 of Shigatsu for example? Or not a S2, but a show that has the exact same things you despise about Shigatsu? Yeah, other MAL users don't want that either. That has literally nothing to do with using scores as they are intended, but okay.... Unless you're implying that everyone knows for every show they pick up how much they will enjoy it in advance to the same degree I know that I won't like the SEQUEL of my MOST HATED show. Which would be a very dubious statement. If you use 7/10 for an average or meh show, that has nothing to do with preferences and knowing your taste, it's just plain overrating based on what the scores actually mean. It's not about picking shows you're likely to enjoy, which is natural, but about mis-rating them afterwards so their score doesn't represent your actual feelings towards the show (unless you know the meanings of their personalized 7-10 rating scale). |
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| If you take the numbers as a quantitative value rather than as a 'ranking' score, then I think it makes sense why you might start out with 7/10 as a satisfied 'decent good' score rather than 'good' as in 'excellent good.' I think it's when people start wanting to differentiate their upper levels that they might start to push things down and stretch out the difference in each number's value. Everyone uses the numbers as they will - MAL's 'official' version obviously isn't all that definitive - you could easily use MAL straight from your list and never notice the number definitions. Wanting everyone to rigidly go by MAL's 'official' labels would be much the same as "letting the rest of the userbase dictate what the scores mean for you," don't you think? I mean, obviously you seem to agree with MAL's intended meanings, Higashi, but it obviously doesn't align with everyone's interpretation of an 'out of 10' score. |
CkanDec 28, 2015 3:02 PM
| Goddamnit don't pull that "7=good cause it says so in the drop down menu" shit, that only matters when you're rating shit yourself. It doesn't mean jack shit for the actual ratings shown on the anime's page which is the average of all ratings people have given that show, because in practice, those numbers pretty much all fall between about 6 and 9, so you have to adapt your scale to that range. There are a few shows over 9, but only like 10 or so. And there are shows less than 6 but they're pretty much universally unremarkable garbage. For the most part, we only care about shows rates between 6 and 9. In practice, most shows between 6-7 are pretty shit but at least have something that some people will watch it for, ie. Not completely unredeemable. 7-8 are the "average" or "meh" shows, 8 and up is mostly good shit. That's just how it is. It's nothing to do with losing to the user base, its just a matter of attaching a meaningful and representative interpretation to statistical data. |
| I rate on mostly an enjoyment scale (not entirely though), and 7 is basically the equivalent of an "average" score for things I actually like. I still consider 5 to be a straight up middle of the road average, but a 7 means: "Hey, I liked this. Not a ton, but not only a little either. Right smack dab in the middle." I feel like this is the case for a lot of people, and that's why 7 is such a common average score for many. |
Ckan said: If you take the numbers as a quantitative value rather than as a 'ranking' score, then I think it makes sense why you might start out with 7/10 as a satisfied 'decent good' score rather than 'good' as in 'excellent good.' I think it's when people start wanting to differentiate their upper levels that they might start to push things down and stretch out the difference in each number's value. Everyone uses the numbers as they will - MAL's 'official' version obviously isn't all that definitive - you could easily use MAL straight from your list and never notice the number definitions. Wanting everyone to rigidly go by MAL's 'official' labels would be much the same as "letting the rest of the userbase dictate what the scores mean for you," don't you think? I mean, obviously you seem to agree with MAL's intended meanings, Higashi, but it obviously doesn't align with everyone's interpretation of an 'out of 10' score. what you said doesn't really contradict me. What 'good' means can vary from person to person after all, be it 'decent good' or 'excellent good'. But it shouldn't mean bad or barely okay. I just don't get why people would use a site and then completely ignore the intended meanings of the score. Might as well not rate at all then. I personally have 6-7 as the 'expectations' for shows I pick up as well so a 5 is already a disappointment for me, but still 5 doesn't mean it's a bad show. I just don't see why it is so hard to just rate reasonably. And it's totally fine for MAL to dictate what the scores mean, they created this scoring system after all and we're using their site. There has to be some sort of universally agreed meaning to a rating scale or it is completely useless. Following the simple descriptions of the scores is the easiest way to achieve that and much more reasonable than to reverse-engineer a meaning for scores based on how much people ignore their actual intended meaning. I mean sure, if I'm just looking at shows for my personal interest I interpret them taking MAL's biases and overrating into account, but that doesn't change the fact that this overrating is happening, otherwise I wouldn't have to do all that interpreting and could just read scores to represent their intended meanings. Being aware that MAL is overrating is one thing, but concluding that because of that awareness it's suddenly not overrating anymore and becomes the new objective scale to judge shows just seems weird to me. No need to accept the faulty logic of the userbase and call a show overrated not based on their actual score, but based on what you think this score means for the shitload of people that rated it. That seems a bit questionable to me since at the end of the day you're mostly guessing anyway. |
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Pullman said: That's not what I'm saying.If you use 7/10 for an average or meh show People are more likely to watch things they consider, at minimum, to be worth their time. That of course varies from person to person, but let's say that a score of 5/10 is what every person on MAL considers to be not a waste of time. That means they are more likely to watch shows they'd rate at least 5 or more, which results in the 7.XX average rating across the DB. I know I probably won't like School Days, so I don't watch it. There goes a potential 1 to 4/10 rating. Conversely, I know I probably will like Cowboy Bebop, so I will (eventually anyway) watch it and rate it 6-10. fst summed it up pretty well |
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| I will probably hate School Days too yet I'm going to watch it anyways. |
SuperRed said: There are special cases sometimes :pI will probably hate School Days too yet I'm going to watch it anyways. I knew MoD is bad but I watched it anyway too liars told me it was funny; it wasn't. |
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Botato said: Pullman said: That's not what I'm saying.If you use 7/10 for an average or meh show People are more likely to watch things they consider, at minimum, to be worth their time. That of course varies from person to person, but let's say that a score of 5/10 is what every person on MAL considers to be not a waste of time. That means they are more likely to watch shows they'd rate at least 5 or more, which results in the 7.XX average rating across the DB. I know I probably won't like School Days, so I don't watch it. There goes a potential 1 to 4/10 rating. Conversely, I know I probably will like Cowboy Bebop, so I will (eventually anyway) watch it and rate it 6-10. fst summed it up pretty well sure even if people actually used the scores as intended that would still be the case to some degree, but again this shouldn't mean that an average rating of 6 means the show is borderline bad, it should be seen as a perfectly fine show, unless you admit that a large amount of users does in fact not use the scores as intended and overrates shows compared to their actual opinion of them. |
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Botato said: SuperRed said: There are special cases sometimes :pI will probably hate School Days too yet I'm going to watch it anyways. I knew MoD is bad but I watched it anyway too liars told me it was funny; it wasn't. what are you talking about, it was hilarious s for the first 3 minutes. Also I think I'll like School Days. All the salt I've witnessed over the years will surely make it taste exquisite. |
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Pullman said: That's when looking at personal scores.this shouldn't mean that an average rating of 6 means the show is borderline bad, it should be seen as a perfectly fine show On average scores from multiple users, the lower the score the higher the chances that I won't like the show. I might like it, but I generally won't be willing to give it a shot unless people I know (for example this club) talk about it and I get a better idea of whether I'd enjoy it or not. MAL scores are indeed skewed, but that's not because people intentionally overrate things. Unless you want to argue that me not watching School Days and giving it a 4/10 is considered intentionally overrating it, in which case we'd have opened a whole new can of worms. |
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| Damn I missed the score discussion. I think that 7 being the average score in MAL is not really because people overate shows. It's a combination of people watching stuff that they will potentially like and the average anime being actually good. I mean, honestly I think that the average anime is not "average", it's at least fine to good, so MAL ratings aren't really that wrong imo. jretzios said: Bleach is overrated yet underrated at the same time. I agree. I'm hoping for a remake that will really make it what it can be. |
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Zergneedsfood said: I think that Josei anime Shouwa or whatever will probably get tossed under the rug for various different reasons. Also, since we're on Josei, I think that genre in general is underepresented in anime. Someone did a look on the MAL database on Reddit and there are a total of like 36 Josei anime or something bizarre like that. I think there's more Josei manga but the category seems lacking, especially when there are a lot of strong titles that come from that space. I've always assumed that it's due to them lending themselves to live-action adaptations. In fact, it seems as if all the popular anime ones have a corresponding J-drama or even Korean one. |
| I mean, that's been my impression but I've really no idea how much / what exactly is out there for Josei manga. Maybe it come back to their being a stigma to anime and that the anime producers are more familiar with younger audience works - so then their manga-side business contacts are only with shojo publishers? |
| I believe Ckan is likely right with this. At the end of the day, manga must sell in order to make a profit. I imagine that young girls would be more likely in Japan to be purchasing the latest editions of their favorite shoujo manga as opposed to grown women purchasing copies of josei. Perhaps I am making sweeping generalizations, but it seems to me that the market size would be much less than the market for shoujo manga. In addition, the reason why josei manga can still succeed is likely because of this exact same concept. As a result of shoujo manga being incredibly popular, that particular space is incredibly saturated, which is why there are a ton of big shoujo manga titles that we can probably name. However, josei manga can succeed because the market is likely to be less saturated, and there is less manga variants to choose from, relative to shoujo manga. This is stipulation, but it makes sense in my mind. |
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| Not sure if Haruchika is underrated or I'm enjoying this show way more than I should be I would have thought it would be in the 6.8-7.4 range but its sitting at a measly 6.46 I know it's basically a lesser mish-mash of a bunch of different shows, but I wouldn't exactly call it bad. Mediocre, sure, but not bad. |
fst said: MAL is pretty homophobic so that's why its rated so low, well that and the fact that its pretty underwhelming, its not terrible but its not particularly interesting either. 6.46 is practically unwatchable garbage by MAL's standards so I'd say its a tad underrated.Not sure if Haruchika is underrated or I'm enjoying this show way more than I should be I would have thought it would be in the 6.8-7.4 range but its sitting at a measly 6.46 I know it's basically a lesser mish-mash of a bunch of different shows, but I wouldn't exactly call it bad. Mediocre, sure, but not bad. |
| Same score as Sekkou Boys tho lol |
| Humanity Has Declined has dropped below 8.xx Some serious blasphemy is going on here. |
| I thought this was gonna be a boku dake post You disappoint me |
rly mal pls |
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Okashi said: BOKE DAKE IS UNDERRATED!!! IT'S THE BEST ANIMU EVUR!!! Still disappointed |
| The name of the show just fits so well here, I'm disappointed in you. What a missed opportunity smh. |
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| Clannad AS is underrated. It should be at least 9.16 smh |
| tfw logh isn't number uno XD |
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| Nah let's be real here. NGNL is underrated, what is with its current shit ranking. |
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| Damn this thread is so ded. It makes me sad. |
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| These things are the way they are meant to be. And Ip Man is so overrated. @Xykko Come fite me. |
| just let this thread die |
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