| I've been thinking a lot about how animation in general isn't taken seriously outside of Japan. It saddens me because I love and respect animation and I think it deserves to be seen as equal to live-action. Here are some points I think anime/animation has the upper hand to live action: Laws of physics? what's that?? animation can get away with so much when it comes to tough to impossible action scenes. There doesn't have to be a stuntman/woman to perform dangerous scenes. Animated characters are indestructible (unless they want them to get hurt or die). Humans have limits and animated characters don't. Age and death. Actors obviously get old and end up dying or getting sick. Animated characters can live forever (of course unless the character dies for the story) The only thing that changes is their voice actor, which is forgivable. Look how long Mickey mouse has had so many voices! Every character is unique. It would be ridiculous if an anime character played different roles in different anime! you just culdn't take it serious e.g. if Naruto showed up in lets say, Erased? Naruto will ALWAYS be Naruto. And again, you have the same voice actors playing different characters, but at least they can do several different voices! honestly, I had no idea that Izaiya from Durarara!! was Renton Thurston! 0_0 I'm sure theres more but I can't think of any at the moment... What do you think? and please save the (anime byoooobs!!!!!// and waifus!!!) |
| settings and animation that unable to do with live action is what anime has advantage the most. |
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| you can fap to underage anime girls without feeling guilty about it |
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Every character is unique. It would be ridiculous if an anime character played different roles in different anime! you just culdn't take it serious e.g. if Naruto showed up in lets say, Erased? Naruto will ALWAYS be Naruto. And again, you have the same voice actors playing different characters, but at least they can do several different voices! honestly, I had no idea that Izaiya from Durarara!! was Renton Thurston! 0_0 To be fair, this can be said for live action actors. I mean look at Johnny Depp or Robin Williams. The amount of characters they play and they are so different. |
| I would say budget but that rly goes to live action and also depends on the quality. |
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| It's easier to suspend your disbelief in anime rather than in live action because it's only normal for anime to be surreal, that's why anime can pull some endless eight, Shinji's "I am fcked up" or JoJo pose properly while Kristen Stewart can't even smile properly. |
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HaXXspetten said: you can fap to underage anime girls without feeling guilty about it LMAO XD VERY TRUE BRUHHH XD XD joke aside.... i think animation. they can do whatever they want in anime but in live action they can't. for example: i challenge you to make OPM live action. the action must be the same like in the anime. do you think they can make it the same like in the anime ? impossible. |
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| Aside from your points I think art. Anime has more freedom with art/how everything looks than live action. Stuff like Moonoke, Tatami Galaxy and such wouldn't look as good if replicated IRL, and it would be hard to anyway. Rojo said: Every character is unique. It would be ridiculous if an anime character played different roles in different anime! you just culdn't take it serious e.g. if Naruto showed up in lets say, Erased? Naruto will ALWAYS be Naruto. And again, you have the same voice actors playing different characters, but at least they can do several different voices! honestly, I had no idea that Izaiya from Durarara!! was Renton Thurston! 0_0 To be fair, this can be said for live action actors. I mean look at Johnny Depp or Robin Williams. The amount of characters they play and they are so different. Really? Johnny Depp in the last couple of years have been criticized exactly because all his acting and characters are indistinguishable from each other. ''Johnny Depp is playing Johnny Depp'' What's the big difference between his acting of the Mad hatter and Jack Sparrow? not much. Though I agree with your point. Acting can be more versatile than voice acting. |
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| Well one thing that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is the fact that there's a near infinite number of different art styles that can be used, not only to be aesthetically pleasing but can also set the tone of the show. For example, when you see cute moe teenage school girls, you generally expect a light-hearted anime slice of life or romance, but if you had something with the art-style of say the original Ghost in the Shell movie, you don't expect anything like that at all. Unique lighting and background art is also something that animation can do better when live action when it's done right. An interesting example of this would be from Evangelion, I'll just leave a youtube link of a specific scene that portrays what I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0doO3VFjc It's able to portray the obviously broken psyche of Asuka in a way that live action just can't replicate. (INB4 "OMG YUCK ENGLISH DUB") Also fast shots can be made in animation that live action can't replicate. Satoshi Kon is a pretty big master of this, and he'd even explicitly stated that he never directed live action as his editing is too fast for live action. |
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| The fact that it's animated, you can tell any kind of story by using different artstyles and it never looks weird. |
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| Crazy effects, hiding one's gender if needed. |
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| Every Frame a Painting has a great video on Satoshi Kon which talks about the advantages of editing and time in animation. |
| [/quote]To be fair, this can be said for live action actors. I mean look at Johnny Depp or Robin Williams. The amount of characters they play and they are so different.[/quote] Yeah they can portray different personas but in the end, Johnny Depp will ALWAYS be Johnny Depp. I just can't 100% believe actors when they play different roles:/ |
| Explosions are cheaper on anime, making someone fly it's cheaper on anime, stuff like that |
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Reeceiam said: Well one thing that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is the fact that there's a near infinite number of different art styles that can be used I did mention that, above you :( But you put it better anyway. |
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Sorry I didn't see it, but thank you :P |
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| Anime has the ecchi. Live-action shows can't do the ecchi because live-action... |
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| This is something that should be obvious. Anime can have more creative settings/character designs and still look good due to it being animation, and it all fits together. However live action for something like mechs, they'd have to resort to CGI and it wouldn't match everything else as much. That's the simplest I can put it. |
tsudecimo said: Aside from your points I think art. Anime has more freedom with art/how everything looks than live action. Stuff like Moonoke, Tatami Galaxy and such wouldn't look as good if replicated IRL, and it would be hard to anyway. Rojo said: To be fair, this can be said for live action actors. I mean look at Johnny Depp or Robin Williams. The amount of characters they play and they are so different. Really? Johnny Depp in the last couple of years have been criticized exactly because all his acting and characters are indistinguishable from each other. ''Johnny Depp is playing Johnny Depp'' What's the big difference between his acting of the Mad hatter and Jack Sparrow? not much. Though I agree with your point. Acting can be more versatile than voice acting. Yeah, I realised that after I started thinking about it ahah... All his characters are pretty much carbon-copies of each other in some way or another. But yeah you get what I mean.~ |
| Anime (and animation in general)'s best point is how expressive and exaggerated it can be. It gives the creators complete control over the visual style. It's also clearly NOT reality, so you get a lot of freedom to tell odd stories that don't work in live-action setting. It's hard to tell a magical girl story, Future Diary or Attack on Titan in live-action. These stories are fantastical and weird. In live-action, their un-reality is too obvious. Animation can hide the puppet strings behind such stories. |
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| Anime characters also don't need to be paid lol |
Brand said: Every Frame a Painting has a great video on Satoshi Kon which talks about the advantages of editing and time in animation. I'd suggest watching this as well, as well Every Frame A Painting video about lateral tracking shot and how it can work in animation compared to live action. :) |
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HaXXspetten said: you can fap to underage anime girls without feeling guilty about it Thank you for this. It brightened my day. I'm dying. |
ouriel said: Brand said: Every Frame a Painting has a great video on Satoshi Kon which talks about the advantages of editing and time in animation. I'd suggest watching this as well, as well Every Frame A Painting video about lateral tracking shot and how it can work in animation compared to live action. :) Thanks! I'll have to check those out |
SakuraKitsune said: I've been thinking a lot about how animation in general isn't taken seriously outside of Japan. It's also not taken very seriously in Japan. |
Melkaticox said: SakuraKitsune said: I've been thinking a lot about how animation in general isn't taken seriously outside of Japan. It's also not taken very seriously in Japan. But doesn't anime show in theaters at least? That's more than we get... |
| It has something to do with feelings (For me). Example when a character dies in live-action: "pfft ok so whats next?" unlike in anime: "Crap..... I can hold this. Oh wait I think it might rain anytime soon enough." So yea and again this is my own opinion |
Just like western animation. If 2D animation was still popular in the US you'd probably get a lot more anime movies on your theaters. |
They are but Melkaticox is right. You'd be very surprised to know that the average Japanese adult DOES NOT think much about anime. On topic, its much easier to suspend belief with anime or with animation from any other country to be honest. And that can even apply to superhero shows from DC or Marvel or hell, even One Punch Man. |
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| Besides what have already been pointed, anime character's expressions/reactions are priceless, and real people can't imitate that. (Examples: jaw falling, angry vein, sweat drop, blushing, etc...) |
| The writer who penned Clashing Feelings. You can buy the light novel on Amazon. |
Melkaticox said: SakuraKitsune said: I've been thinking a lot about how animation in general isn't taken seriously outside of Japan. It's also not taken very seriously in Japan. I feel sad for these people. They miss out on a lot of great stories. |
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And a lot of some very popular films were inspired by anime. I doubt the majority even knows about the influences our movie directors have:/ |
SakuraKitsune said: And a lot of some very popular films were inspired by anime. I doubt the majority even knows about the influences our movie directors have:/ Even people who watch anime don't know that Perfect Blue, Paprika, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Castle in the Sky were remade for the Western market, Inception was based on Paprika, Matrix drew inspiration from GitS, The Iron Giant drew inspiration for the robot from Castle in the Sky, Requiem for a Dream was somewhat of a remake off of Perfect Blue and etc. I doubt that many know that Departed was a remake from the Korean movie Infernal Affairs aimed for the Western/US market, Zodiac's similar to Memories of Murder, The Secret in Their Eyes(the Argentinian movie) got a remake for the US market, Solaris was a Soviet movie, later remade, again for the Western/US market and etc. Another example is, Oldboy(Korean version) and the manga Oldboy. To stay OT, just as there are advantages there are disadvantages. For one, you're not limited by human physiology, thus you can have anthropomorphic characters; 2. wacky architecture, you're not bound by the laws of physics; 3. various differing effects; 4. as others said, various different expressions; Some downsides. There can't be no spontaneity, sun rising/setting enhancing the scene, wind blowing, raining, small funny accidents; Sometimes hard to associate with a character due to nonhuman characteristics, expressions and body language. |
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| ^Zodiac's based on a true story though OT: They're cartoons so you can do whatever you want and no one is going to question the realism. |
| anime can get away away with a teacher slamming a middle school girl |
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ouriel said: SakuraKitsune said: And a lot of some very popular films were inspired by anime. I doubt the majority even knows about the influences our movie directors have:/ Even people who watch anime don't know that Perfect Blue, Paprika, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Castle in the Sky were remade for the Western market, Inception was based on Paprika, Matrix drew inspiration from GitS, The Iron Giant drew inspiration for the robot from Castle in the Sky, Requiem for a Dream was somewhat of a remake off of Perfect Blue and etc. I doubt that many know that Departed was a remake from the Korean movie Infernal Affairs aimed for the Western/US market, Zodiac's similar to Memories of Murder, The Secret in Their Eyes(the Argentinian movie) got a remake for the US market, Solaris was a Soviet movie, later remade, again for the Western/US market and etc. Another example is, Oldboy(Korean version) and the manga Oldboy. To stay OT, just as there are advantages there are disadvantages. For one, you're not limited by human physiology, thus you can have anthropomorphic characters; 2. wacky architecture, you're not bound by the laws of physics; 3. various differing effects; 4. as others said, various different expressions; Some downsides. There can't be no spontaneity, sun rising/setting enhancing the scene, wind blowing, raining, small funny accidents; Sometimes hard to associate with a character due to nonhuman characteristics, expressions and body language. Requiem for a Dream was based on a novel by Hubert Selby. I don't think Selby watched anime. I also wouldn't call these 'remakes', but yes they're influenced by them. |
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tsudecimo said: Aside from your points I think art. Anime has more freedom with art/how everything looks than live action. Stuff like Moonoke, Tatami Galaxy and such wouldn't look as good if replicated IRL, and it would be hard to anyway. Rojo said: To be fair, this can be said for live action actors. I mean look at Johnny Depp or Robin Williams. The amount of characters they play and they are so different. Really? Johnny Depp in the last couple of years have been criticized exactly because all his acting and characters are indistinguishable from each other. ''Johnny Depp is playing Johnny Depp'' What's the big difference between his acting of the Mad hatter and Jack Sparrow? not much. Though I agree with your point. Acting can be more versatile than voice acting. I don´t really agree with you on that. To my the desgin almost look the same in most animes. It exists rules of how a anime is suppos to look like. This rules exist in all anime styles like moe or realistic anime. The hair style, the clothes or even the way thay are drawn is mostly the same. The only thing that always chance is the eyes. However this is nothing that really bothers me and I really like the way anime is drawn. But I like anime more over live action befor anime is not bonded bay realitys laws. Anything can happens in anime. Things that can never happen in reality not even in a movie. Like Evangelion, Kyoukai no Kanata or any magical girl show. This is something that will look ridiculously if thay even to try makeing a live action movie. For example the attack on titan movie. I also like the way anime show the characters emotions . They are every direct with the ther emotions and some time overdramatic. You know exactly withs emotion they have. In live action is it some time hard to see the difference between sad and broken down. |
TheBrainintheJar said: ouriel said: Even people who watch anime don't know that Perfect Blue, Paprika, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Castle in the Sky were remade for the Western market, Inception was based on Paprika, Matrix drew inspiration from GitS, The Iron Giant drew inspiration for the robot from Castle in the Sky, Requiem for a Dream was somewhat of a remake off of Perfect Blue and etc. I doubt that many know that Departed was a remake from the Korean movie Infernal Affairs aimed for the Western/US market, Zodiac's similar to Memories of Murder, The Secret in Their Eyes(the Argentinian movie) got a remake for the US market, Solaris was a Soviet movie, later remade, again for the Western/US market and etc. Another example is, Oldboy(Korean version) and the manga Oldboy. To stay OT, just as there are advantages there are disadvantages. For one, you're not limited by human physiology, thus you can have anthropomorphic characters; 2. wacky architecture, you're not bound by the laws of physics; 3. various differing effects; 4. as others said, various different expressions; Some downsides. There can't be no spontaneity, sun rising/setting enhancing the scene, wind blowing, raining, small funny accidents; Sometimes hard to associate with a character due to nonhuman characteristics, expressions and body language. Requiem for a Dream was based on a novel by Hubert Selby. I don't think Selby watched anime. I also wouldn't call these 'remakes', but yes they're influenced by them. Yeah, my mistake, it's not a remake, but the bath scenes in Requiem for a Dream are the same as those in Perfect Blue; now that I think about it, Black Swan has more of a resemblance to Perfect Blue, but Aronofsky said that it didn't drew inspiration from Perfect Blue, tho there are similarities. @Eminem I said somewhat similar, because of how both movies are structured; both are based on true events. :) |
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| There's that "magic" that only anime can bring. Because it's fantasy, everything looks better. Whilst in live-action there's that "reality" feeling. |
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| Its possible to create any world and any story with animation, its basically unlimited, unlike live-action, in wich to break those limits people use animation (!). The japanese industry of animation is more diverse than others, like the american animation industry, that seems to focus mainly on kids shows and comedies for adults (like "Family Guy"). The japanese however don't limit themselfs to specific genres, and the anime industry, as we all know, makes movies and tv shows to all ages, every type of audiences and in all type of genres. This is a clear advantage over every animation industry, and of course, over the live-action media. But its also true that sometimes this limitless nature of the anime industry can be a downside. [forgive me for misspellings.] |
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ouriel said: TheBrainintheJar said: Requiem for a Dream was based on a novel by Hubert Selby. I don't think Selby watched anime. I also wouldn't call these 'remakes', but yes they're influenced by them. Yeah, my mistake, it's not a remake, but the bath scenes in Requiem for a Dream are the same as those in Perfect Blue; now that I think about it, Black Swan has more of a resemblance to Perfect Blue, but Aronofsky said that it didn't drew inspiration from Perfect Blue, tho there are similarities. @Eminem I said somewhat similar, because of how both movies are structured; both are based on true events. :) Similar scenes are a coincidence. With so many stories out there, some are bound to be similar. There are definitely live-action films influenced by anime - The Matrix is a perfect example - You just need to go deeper than 'this scene reminds me of this one'. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: ouriel said: Yeah, my mistake, it's not a remake, but the bath scenes in Requiem for a Dream are the same as those in Perfect Blue; now that I think about it, Black Swan has more of a resemblance to Perfect Blue, but Aronofsky said that it didn't drew inspiration from Perfect Blue, tho there are similarities. @Eminem I said somewhat similar, because of how both movies are structured; both are based on true events. :) Similar scenes are a coincidence. With so many stories out there, some are bound to be similar. There are definitely live-action films influenced by anime - The Matrix is a perfect example - You just need to go deeper than 'this scene reminds me of this one'. Aronofsky bought the American filming rights to Satoshi Kon's animated film Perfect Blue so that he could film the bathtub scene in A Requiem For A Dream as an homage to the one in Perfect Blue, and to a less extent also the controversial sex scene as well. Source: http://www.flixist.com/monday-movie-trivia-aronofsky-bought-perfect-blue-rights-205425.phtml Another one: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26075/1/the-cult-japanese-filmmaker-that-inspired-darren-aronofsky Aronofsky bought the right to Perfect Blue, so, with the bath scene he was paying homage to Perfect Blue. The robot design in The Iron Giant was inspired by the robot design in Castle in the Sky. It's not about going deeper, it's about what the directors did. Inception have some many scenes that are exactly the same as those of Paprika, that is not a coincidence. |
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ouriel said: TheBrainintheJar said: Similar scenes are a coincidence. With so many stories out there, some are bound to be similar. There are definitely live-action films influenced by anime - The Matrix is a perfect example - You just need to go deeper than 'this scene reminds me of this one'. Aronofsky bought the American filming rights to Satoshi Kon's animated film Perfect Blue so that he could film the bathtub scene in A Requiem For A Dream as an homage to the one in Perfect Blue, and to a less extent also the controversial sex scene as well. Source: http://www.flixist.com/monday-movie-trivia-aronofsky-bought-perfect-blue-rights-205425.phtml Another one: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26075/1/the-cult-japanese-filmmaker-that-inspired-darren-aronofsky Aronofsky bought the right to Perfect Blue, so, with the bath scene he was paying homage to Perfect Blue. The robot design in The Iron Giant was inspired by the robot design in Castle in the Sky. It's not about going deeper, it's about what the directors did. Inception have some many scenes that are exactly the same as those of Paprika, that is not a coincidence. Well, I can't argue with specific evidence like this. I stand corrected. |
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