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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- More memories of Birdy. Wow! she took down that robot pretty good at the age of like 10? |
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| I enjoyed the episode but what was up with the artwork? About halfway threw the episode it looks like they got tired and just started scribbling and forgot to edit before airing it. |
GodsDragon said: I enjoyed the episode but what was up with the artwork? About halfway threw the episode it looks like they got tired and just started scribbling and forgot to edit before airing it. the art truly failed in this one, i liked it anyway tho. |
GodsDragon said: I enjoyed the episode but what was up with the artwork? About halfway threw the episode it looks like they got tired and just started scribbling and forgot to edit before airing it. Indeed it did. It looked like crap. Good episode though. |
| Since it was a prequel episode it was known how it would conclude but I found it very emotional anyway.And I liked that experimental animation. They should do it more often. |
harakiriMar 9, 2009 2:23 AM
| Probably the best episode of the series. The experimental animation scenes were seriously great, even if they were less eye-pleasing than the rest of the series, they allowed to put an incredible number of sequences in the episode (I wonder how many there were in just one episode, it felt almost like episode 15 of Gurren Lagann and its 460 something sequences - I'll have to check that at work ;)) and to build action sequences as it would never have been possible Moreover, it's not ridiculous to have blurry and rough scenes in Birdy's memory of that time that is itself blurry and rough. On top of that, the music was just perfectly chosen in almost every scene of the episode and everything seemed just... right. Great one ! |
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| Damn sucks that the animation went all stylish and artistic when the battle was epic, but it got it's point across very well. They did a great job with the sound and bgm too. Violin raped ass hard, but too bad Birdy's memories of her being motherly were fake. Would have liked it more if the Tsutomu and Birdy renunion was played out longer. |
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| Experimental? I could understand occasional dips in animation but the entire thing went to shit that episode. |
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| Call it experimental - Call it Avante garde - Call it what you will. To me it seemed as if the action scenes would have broke the buget, so they animated the rough-draft story board instead. it gave me a headache. And since I've liked this property all along, I was just plain dissapointed. |
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| i was definitely disappointed with the production value on that "experimental" stuff... i wonder if this show isnt too popular that they didnt have the funding for that? this is one of my favorites this season... hope they dont do more of that anyways. anyways it was still enjoyable and provided very nice background on birdy. only part i didnt like too much was that tstomu didnt really seem to do much to "save" birdy... think they could have made their interaction in the dream world a little longer and meaningful... somehow |
| Birdy's memories is so depressing... Poor Birdy... Next episode..was there even a preview? |
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| @ Kira01 That villain looking guy that took young Nataru away was Balic/Valic who is the leader of the fugitive terrorists from the beginning of the season. |
| whats with the disappointments? Even if its what you call experimental, at least theyre trying to see make animation more fluid than before, and if they have low budget then why could they have CGs and stuff...I think its just clearly experimental to how they will make animation more fluid with good quality. Good backstory, nevertheless. |
| That wasn't experimental as much as it was cutting corners. I feel like it tried to do a lot of what Kaiba did in its first few episodes animation-wise....but it just failed so much and was so different from the character design that it was jarring and forcibly takes the viewer out of the moment. I still liked this arc though. |
| Berserker Killer Birdy, anyone? I don't believe they'll keep that animation in the DVD, presumably they'll fix it once they get some money for the first few volumes but what do I know. Kind of an anticlimactic end though, just Birdy and Tsutomu 'talking' in the Roppongi? ruins. Sad past is sad. I'm mostly interested in what happened with Nataru. Time to wait some more for Nuke... |
| Man...the animation wasn't bad,it was great as harakiri said before,woah the best episode so far..so great. |
| I don't know if that boxy style of animation they used worked effectively (I did enjoy it though), but the scene with the Berserker made up for it. That was gorgeously animated. Great episode though, might be my favourite. |
| Darn it, I knew Mamiko Noto was going to die but still. *sniffles* She was such a strong and caring... marionette... |
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| Ugh, that animation ruined any emotional impact the story should have had. What the hell was that? |
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| Oh my god. I can't bear watching the crappy animation they give us on the second half. Good episode but seriously wth is with that animation?! |
GodsDragon said: I enjoyed the episode but what was up with the artwork? About halfway threw the episode it looks like they got tired and just started scribbling and forgot to edit before airing it. I thought it was supposed to represent the raw emotion of the situation. I thought it worked perfectly showing the chaos of the situation in Birdy's mind and the battle. -__- |
| I think someone once called Birdy a dog, and this seems to prove that it's true. She's been trained to love people who are only carrying out orders to care her for as a weapon for the government's use. The fact that the T-Rex alien genuinely likes her doesn't mean anything. She's being treated as a machine. How can I have any respect for her as a space cop if she never decided to be one and only let others train her into it? Has she ever made any important decision in her whole life? Why should I care about a person like this? I suppose this was supposed to be heartwarming, but it made me feel sick instead. |
FronzelSep 8, 2011 6:46 PM
| The plot of the episode was pretty good, but the artwork... oh my god. I don't know where some of you saw "style" in this pile of rubbish. An awful drop of quality, I hope I won't have to see it again. |
| Violin sure had some powers on her own! And for a reason the young Birdy seems more skilled than the current... well this backstory episode sure was tragic, but well this makes the character only better in my opinion! Good episode I wonder what's next! |
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| I knew people would bitch about the artwork. Obviously they didn't have a huge budget. The effort was admirable though, so much movement and changing camera angles. Great episode |
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| I choose to go with "she was in the midst of a mental break and the artwork reflected that" explanation. It's her memory after all. It's not a hugely popular show so obviously budget limitations play a part somewhere though... The action was STILL really visceral though, so props to them for pulling that off. Great ep, this is what I remembered most from the first time around. |
| It was the quality of the art that dropped, not the animation. Anyway, I thought the use of minimal detail was quite fitting because the fighting in this series is very fast-paced. An outsider watching Birdy and Violin fight is not going to have a crystal-clear view of everyone involved. Rather, they'll see the combatant's basic shapes and, most importantly, their movements. And that's exactly what the animators are focusing on: motion. I applaud them for doing that because, well, combat isn't supposed to be pretty anyway. Also, I suspect the only reason Birdy wears a skin-tight suit is so the animators can easily draw her basic form during action sequences. |
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| I don't understand everyone's complaint about the animation. Sure, it's choppy, but haven't all of the fighting scenes been like that? I didn't really feel like this episode was any different than the rest. The reason it may have looked "low quality" is because A: they were trying to make it look like the camera was moving through 3D space while animating the fights and B: the main characters didn't have any shading on them in that red light for some reason. The animation wasn't particularly bad, they were just very ambitious in their choreography. This show is generally well animated and I'm glad that they experiment with dynamic fight scenes even if the result isn't smooth as butter. |
Yokora said: I don't understand everyone's complaint about the animation. Sure, it's choppy, but haven't all of the fighting scenes been like that? I didn't really feel like this episode was any different than the rest. The reason it may have looked "low quality" is because A: they were trying to make it look like the camera was moving through 3D space while animating the fights and B: the main characters didn't have any shading on them in that red light for some reason. The animation wasn't particularly bad, they were just very ambitious in their choreography. This show is generally well animated and I'm glad that they experiment with dynamic fight scenes even if the result isn't smooth as butter. Did you watch the broadcast version or what was released on DVD? Because they at least cleaned it up some when it came to the home video release. Compare this short bit from the broadcast sample to the DVD release. Neither of them are the pinnacle of animation but one of them is markedly worse. |
| ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
Thanks, I was beginning to wonder if this was the case. I saw the dvd version. Granted, I don't think the broadcast version was THAT bad, but I totally understand the issue now. |
Tien said: It was the quality of the art that dropped, not the animation. Anyway, I thought the use of minimal detail was quite fitting because the fighting in this series is very fast-paced. An outsider watching Birdy and Violin fight is not going to have a crystal-clear view of everyone involved. Rather, they'll see the combatant's basic shapes and, most importantly, their movements. And that's exactly what the animators are focusing on: motion. I applaud them for doing that because, well, combat isn't supposed to be pretty anyway. Also, I suspect the only reason Birdy wears a skin-tight suit is so the animators can easily draw her basic form during action sequences. YES! The art, not the animation. I think the animation is pretty cool. |
| They tried to go Gurren Lagann with the animation this episode, did not work so well. |
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| Amazing episode, more scenes of Birdy's past, that robot really didnt stand a chance against Birdy. They should really hurry up with Tsutomu's new body though, don't want another one of these conciousness losses to happen again. |
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| I wonder what happened to the artstyle when the battle started, looked pretty bad in my opinion even though I liked the animation of the fight. Good to know who Violin was and what happened to her, must be devastating for the young Birdy to witness that. Just a guess but I think the person who saved her is nejula for some reason. |
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| So yeah, the broadcast version was super choppy. I saw the DVD version and it looked pretty amazing tbh, they cleaned it up really nicely and the fight scenes with Violin and Birdy were raw and powerful. Great backstory overall. Looking forward to the rest of the series. |
| one of the strongest episodes I've ever seen in my life, too bad people can't grasp the beauty of this piece of art |
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