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pizza_012 said: That was an intense yet somehow mildly executed episode. I am wondering, Does the source material have the same impact (for those who were able to play) or was it more intensified compared to this adaptation? Just Curious.
Looks like this is now the shitstorm that i was referring to last week. Dat Tears. Dat Touma in Tears. Dat Drama. Didn't expect her to cry like that. Both of them were even crying. I don't understand why Haruki was crying though. It was good but I was expecting a flawless scene however, the good thing is the execution was not horrible to watch. Still, was a good watch. One of the few gems in the romance genre indeed.
Anyways, Looks like Setsuna will be in pain in the next few episodes to come. I really feel bad for her since it's going for a Kasuza route I presume?
Still rooting for Touma though. But I like both of the heroines. Haruki is a total dick sometimes.
It doesn't have the same impact because they interrupted the scene with flashbacks, which didn't happen in the VN. Basically they are making the scene a lot more melodramatic than it already is.
Haruki cries because he's just a whiny little b**** in general. Get used to it haha.
I actually found that weird for him to cry? Lol. I was like. WTF Really Haruki. Instead of comforting Touma, He also cried like a little boy whining 'cause he lost something. He looked really Gay there. No offense.
jawnmewn said: After watching this episode I rewatched the beginning of episode 1 remembering there were a few flash forwards and it looked to me like:
Haruki and Setsuna meet Touma at the airport as she's about to leave for Europe. Haruki runs over and hugs Touma, leaving Setsuna looking devastated. Touma pushes Haruki away, and in the end Setsuna tries to warm up to Haruki as he watches Touma's plane fly away. Sad ending :(
All aboard the feels train. Can't wait for next week's episode!
I'm curious on why they actually spoiled the ending right from the first episode. Which is why I wonder why anyone is even curious on how this ends.
I'm just as curious as to why they showed a spoiler of the ending in the first few minutes of the first episode. We all know the result, but how they get there is still unfolding. Another thing that bugs me is how will Haruki feel at the end of the series.
Basing this from the first episode flashback of Touma being hugged by Haruki and she pushes him away only to be consoled by Setsuna. His true feelings were with Touma, and Setsuna looked devastated.
I think Closing chapter should be animated because I'd like to see what happens afterward if the VN CC gets animated and if possible Coda as well.
Yeah hopefully the main problem is they have to choose an ending to animate for one of those (or just make ova's of the alternate ending). Such is the shame of visual novel adaptions.
hyperknees91 said: Yeah hopefully the main problem is they have to choose an ending to animate for one of those (or just make ova's of the alternate ending). Such is the shame of visual novel adaptions.
Quite the irritating truth about VN's. Every route isn't given any justice to be animated. Sucks Balls.
hyperknees91 said: Yeah hopefully the main problem is they have to choose an ending to animate for one of those (or just make ova's of the alternate ending). Such is the shame of visual novel adaptions.
If CC and Coda are adapted, the obvious choices are Setsuna True Ending or Touma True Ending.
hyperknees91 said: Yeah hopefully the main problem is they have to choose an ending to animate for one of those (or just make ova's of the alternate ending). Such is the shame of visual novel adaptions.
If CC and Coda are adapted, the obvious choices are Setsuna True Ending or Touma True Ending.
(The infamous cheating route would be bold).
Well yeah but that is the question. Which route do they pick out of those two?
Or they could do the normal ending like the guy said above haha.
Joseito1875 said: Even though most of the episode was composed of flashbacks, I loved it. This helps us understand Touma a little more. She has know Haruki for a while before the story started, and finally now she's confessing her feelings.
She couldn't keep up the charade anymore.
Great episode!
People should know to use the word flashback appropriately. Nothing can be considered as "flashback" if they contribute to the story and character development. This episode they show Touma's POV and her past which lead her to meet Haruki. By that we should all know that she was the "first girl", has deeper connections and Setsuna is the third person here.
Oh well, I like Setsuna and rooting for her, but at the same time I have sympathy for Touma as well ;_;. Such a hard feelings to chose between the two.
Anyway, things gonna get worst for Setsuna, no doubt. Damn u Haruki ...
Well that was a rather explosive but needed confrontation for Touma and Haruki. We got to learn more about Touma and Haruki's characters as well by seeing how they interacted with each other in the past. While I feel that Touma and Haruki would have been better together rather than Setsuna, I still feel bad for her since it's her birthday and she's spending it alone instead of with her boyfriend, friend or her family.
1. In the VN we actually get a conversation with Touma-Sama, who (according to Haruki) seems nice and unlike the cold, uncaring person Kazusa described. She also words everything very cryptically, which builds up the mystery / tension that is to follow.
2. Some lines are straight from the VN PC version, some are not...(I am not quite sure if the ps3 version changed any dialogues during this part)
Anime: Kazusa rambles on about how she feels (sort of)
VN: Haruki thought he was barking up the wrong tree, so he thought he'd at least be honest (while inner dialogue implies that while he likes Setsuna it was obvious who he likes more), so he told Kazusa about him and Setsuna first (I imagine that was Haruki's attempt to get any reaction out of Kazusa) - which Kazusa accepted and gave them her blessing. He honestly thought Kazusa did not like him. THEN we have Kazusa saying the lines she say in the anime, how idiot like him shouldn't try and guess her feelings etc. Haruki asks why Kazusa never said anything, Kazusa replies she can't because it will hurt Setsuna. Further lines might be in the next ep, just to be safe
Kazusa then says the two of them have just became friends - and broke off their friendship in an instant. Kazusa tries to run away warning Haruki not to follow, saying that even though she did just say all those things, she's regretting it already. Haruki chases her down anyways....
TL;DR VN gave way more details and more struggles. I can understand the need to save time throughout the rest of the anime, but HERE? one of the most important dialogue that's suppose to hit hard?
3. Angled shots throughout the episode seem off to me...Though honestly same thing happens in VN lol.
4. Bits and pieces of Snow Falls Snow Melts short story (it was a short story that tacked on the end of IC) was cut off. For example in the short story it is revealed that Kazusa keeps a notebook dedicated to Haruki - recording all his despicable (her words) acts, how he allows for a crisis to take place, solve the crisis, and make everyone trust him. It is also shown that Haruki tries to talk to Kazusa every single day - he also correctly guessed that Kazusa threw away her "future career plan survey", iirc, and prepared a new one for her (a detail omitted in anime).
5. Horrible, HORRIBLE choice of spot to cut away for the short story.
WHERE IS THE KISS?!?!?!?! Wouldn't that be the right spot to cut away? It's like getting ready to get hit by a truck and they throw a Prius at me. Yeah i mean it's still a reveal but where is my "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh" moment? Why you gotta stop before the climax?
I mean, if I only watched anime this would be an ok episode...but as a VN player I wish they did it better.
@heiqi1hu I disagree with all that blame on Setsuna. I thought about using VN stuff to make my rebuttal but I'll keep it to anime-only as much as possible....
heiqi1hu said:
You mean she knew Haruki liked touma, but still kissed him and wanted him to go out with her isn't scheming then she's really innocent or just acting innocent. As for guys, they mostly go with the flow. Setsuna is practically throwing herself at him from the start.
Someone's gotta do something. Also, she confronted Kazusa who denied everything.
heiqi1hu said:
Although relationship is never fair, she's not fit to call Touma her best friend. That's cheating. Acting ignorant of both Touma and haruki's feelings for each other, but keep saying wanted 3 of them to be together. How cruel. Just wanted Touma to suffer each time. Touma was right in not going to the party though. Setsuna's interpretation of "best friends" is really different.
She's actually NOT ignorant of Kazusa's feelings. Not a thing in anime, but it is specifically mentioned in VN that Setsuna and Haruki made a deal - they'd suppress ALL public display of affection (holding hands / any physical contact) to 3 seconds or less - iirc they don't even kiss in front of anyone else.
heiqi1hu said:
Also, she lied about the party with others, but just herself and haruki. Lying your way through is the worst way in a relationship.
It's called a surprise. Possible spoiler for future episode
She was prepared to have dinner with Haruki alone and potentiall sex as he had asked for the next step earlier, but wanted to keep it a surprise/not want him to come with the mindset of getting laid
heiqi1hu said:
Or she left early when they were with others, but meeting up Haruki elsewhere alone....Haa...
See my earlier comment on no PDA, she's trying to make it easy on Kazusa as much as possible.
heiqi1hu said:
Setsuna was never honest in this relationship, except the fact that she liked Haruki.
Lets reviewed what you said:
P1 - Selfish, but no lies. (Unless you really want her to tell Haruki "Oh btw I think Kazusa is in love with you even though I confronted her and she denied it. So have a good life since you might forget I ever existed and go after Kazusa based on a hunch I have.")
P2-4 - Like I said she did have good intentions that actually make sense.
I actually found that weird for him to cry? Lol. I was like. WTF Really Haruki. Instead of comforting Touma, He also cried like a little boy whining 'cause he lost something. He looked really Gay there. No offense.
Source had more details (on how they actually feel) and a better "ending" to the scene, I thought it was way more powerful.
Also, he cried because Kazusa made it sound like Kazusa never cared about him from the start, that he spent half an year chasing after someone who doesn't even view him as friends when he believe Kazusa to be one of his closest friend.
Pedot said: Comparison with VN (I suppose minor spoilers)
5. Horrible, HORRIBLE choice of spot to cut away for the short story.
WHERE IS THE KISS?!?!?!?! Wouldn't that be the right spot to cut away? It's like getting ready to get hit by a truck and they throw a Prius at me. Yeah i mean it's still a reveal but where is my "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh" moment? Why you gotta stop before the climax?
LOL nice metaphor you put there.
But I gotta admit, my first impression of this episode was that the animation was way under-budgeted. However, it got better later in the episode, so I suppose they had to decide to rush the animation of "less important" parts. Hope they gonna fix them for the BDs.
Well, the amount of FEELs I got was kinda enough to offset the first impression.
jawnmewn said: After watching this episode I rewatched the beginning of episode 1 remembering there were a few flash forwards and it looked to me like:
Haruki and Setsuna meet Touma at the airport as she's about to leave for Europe. Haruki runs over and hugs Touma, leaving Setsuna looking devastated. Touma pushes Haruki away, and in the end Setsuna tries to warm up to Haruki as he watches Touma's plane fly away. Sad ending :(
All aboard the feels train. Can't wait for next week's episode!
I'm curious on why they actually spoiled the ending right from the first episode. Which is why I wonder why anyone is even curious on how this ends.
I'm just as curious as to why they showed a spoiler of the ending in the first few minutes of the first episode. We all know the result, but how they get there is still unfolding. Another thing that bugs me is how will Haruki feel at the end of the series.
Basing this from the first episode flashback of Touma being hugged by Haruki and she pushes him away only to be consoled by Setsuna. His true feelings were with Touma, and Setsuna looked devastated.
When did they show that on episode 1 ? Someone , please enlighten me ....
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I read a summary of WA2 VN and I really hope they change the ending, it will be such a disappointment if they stick to the VN. If this ending was any indication of the possible future, I can tell were all going to be crushed. Haruki x Touma <3
This anime was done was beautifully which is rare for romance/drama anime, most of them are a bunch of misunderstandings crap and you'll be lucky to get to see a kiss after muddling through 24 episodes garbage.
uyalucky said: I read a summary of WA2 VN and I really hope they change the ending, it will be such a disappointment if they stick to the VN.
Lol which summary did you actually read?
If you read the ending summary for the Introductory Chapter that's like 20% of the whole meat of the story and it was also linear. It'd be more disappointing if they did not stick to the VN which means Changing 80% of the last part of the story.
When did they show that on episode 1 ? Someone , please enlighten me ....
Ep 1, around 1:50 mark right after the on-stage performance.
It's a little different in VN. VN starts with like last 2 minutes / 30 lines of Introductory Chapter, and doesn't tell you who the girl Haruki is speaking to is. Only
a vague sense of "this is not gonna end well" and something something betrayal.
kaimax said: Lol which summary did you actually read?
If you read the ending summary for the Introductory Chapter that's like 20% of the whole meat of the story and it was also linear. It'd be more disappointing if they did not stick to the VN which means Changing 80% of the last part of the story.
Wow I feel like an idiot now lol. You are right I only read the Introductory Chapter. I didn't even realise there was another part n_n
rajurashmi2000 said: she also doesn't shove her relationship in touma's face.
I believe that Setsuna has no intetions to do so.Nonetheless, when she is aware of Touma's feelings, she fails to draw the line between relationship and friendship by setting her priorities straight. I.e. You don't go on an overnight trip with your boyfriend AND best friend, to casually share the same room and some hot springs skinship between the three of you.Unless of course, you a)are aiming for a threesome b)have a ntr fetish or c)are so innocent to still believe in Santa.
About Ep.10 itself, although I enjoyed evey bit of Touma being a fan of hers, I was left unfullfilled since the parts I wanted to see the most were left out (postponed for later episodes?). Some claim that ignorance is bliss, but I personally am trully happy for having already been spoiled. Adds to my enjoyment of the anime.
Here's crossing fingers that the remaining anime episodes will cover "all" of HarukixTouma after the teary confession.
pizza_012 said: I actually found that weird for him to cry? Lol. I was like. WTF Really Haruki. Instead of comforting Touma, He also cried like a little boy whining 'cause he lost something. He looked really Gay there. No offense.
I know right, bro?! It is like, sooooo totally gay for a character to show emotions like an actual human or something. How revolting, eh? Who cares about their world falling apart with them being powerless to stop it when - gasp - their super cool manly image is at stake! My bro Haruki should have manned the fuck up and tapped dat instead of acting like a sissy. You hear me man? AYO #YOLO
Haruki doesn't deserves any of those girls. After what he did in ep10 I hope for an ending without any pairing and were Setsuna drops the friendship to Touma.
Haruki is an idiot and according to this episode he admits so himself. But I don't hate him; he has it tough both Setsuna and Touma are nice and lovable. Plus he's still a kid. Comparing myself during my high school days to him I'd probably be just as stupid in a situation like this (and in a way I was... oh the regrets, the regrets). But c'est la vie, you learn from your mistakes and become a better person.
At this point it seems no matter who he ends up with it will be a bittersweet ending.
I guess i warmed up a bit to the HarukixTouma pairing.
Still its a little sad that this inevitable situation was on the day of Setsuna´s birthday party. I felt really bad for her after Haruki´s call and she was all alone for dinner.
I find it hard to blame any of characters once you take some time to understand their circumstances.Sure,we could be pointing fingers in all directions and be like "but he did this...yes but it was because she wanted that...but that only happened because she didn't do that,etc"(it could go on for ages) but I believe that would take away from the overall enjoyment of this awesome show.The characters's behavior is very human,they have their flaws like every one of us and are portrayed in a very realistic fashion - personally,I'm more than content with that!
Also,while I certainly appreciate a good parental figure in a show,I'm really liking the fact that all 3 of them are going through this blindly,without outside aid from friends or family.There's absolutely no spoon-feeding here which makes it all the more enjoyable to see them try to sort things out on their own.
i agree mgmaster. I mean seriously, they're in high school and their personalities already show that they have 0 experience in love whatsoever. Everyone is equally to blame in this situation and its not just haruki being stupid or w/e. We could probably go circles around this arguing whose at fault but in the end everyone is. Even their own friends were all like... man train wreck waiting ahead... steer clear immediately(probably). Nonetheless, great episode. More touma but i still T.T
touma is is the best character for me, funny that the both touma and Haruki had different point of view about each other, when finaly both were wrong and love each others, really excited for the next episode, the flashback was ok i guess, too long for nothing if i can say
I couldn't decide who I liked better so I guess whatever they decide to do with this series will be okay with me, but I humbly do have to admit that Touma has a lot more depth as a character and definately more backstory, on the other hand I feel bad for Setsuna.
I'll be honest, I hate Kitahara so much, it's severely affecting how much I enjoy this series. That's just me, but I doubt my opinion of him will improve at all, it will probably get worse.
My heart breaks for Setsuna. Stood up on her birthday, which also happens to be Valentines Day (even though the never mention it directly, her birthday is February 14th), after setting up a romantic dinner for the two of them. I like Touma too, but that was too much.
I have mostly positive feelings about this episode. The whole scene on the street was great as was Kazusa finally coming clean about how she really sees the current situation. Most raw emotion we've seen from her all series so far. What I didn't like or I guess I should say what didn't feel as strong was the whole flashback. It's not a bad sequence, I just think it interrupted the flow of the episode up to that point which was really building steam and just didn't add as much to the scenario as I think continuing in the present could have. If anything it kind of just made Kazusa look more typically tsundere whereas the scene on the street had real emotion to it.
4/5, very good, but I feel next week and the week before will prove to have been the better episodes in the long run.
Flashback was nice but, I went ahead and read the omake for it and it really fails to build up Touma warming up to Haruki(was almost there, but I dunno, something was just missing) . It's hard with only 10 minutes to show what happens in that whole extra. The first 10 was brilliant though.
Gotta go with 4/5 on this ep. It was almost there.
RediceRyan said: Fantastic episode. Best confession scene of the season.
Not sure why there needed to be those flashbacks
It's just exposition to fill in the blanks about their relationship not to mention toumas viewpoint and also some of her back story. This helps you empathize with touma doing her best to reach kitahara despite having told to stay away from him. Also, the beginning helps kitahara haters understand that he's not indecisive...he's trying his best to keep someone he loves who rejected him(or thought she did) close to him. And we all know how hard that is after being friendzoned by someone.
RediceRyan said: Fantastic episode. Best confession scene of the season.
Not sure why there needed to be those flashbacks
It's just exposition to fill in the blanks about their relationship not to mention toumas viewpoint and also some of her back story. This helps you empathize with touma doing her best to reach kitahara despite having told to stay away from him. Also, the beginning helps kitahara haters understand that he's not indecisive...he's trying his best to keep someone he loves who rejected him(or thought she did) close to him. And we all know how hard that is after being friendzoned by someone.
He kinda abandoned his girlfriend on her birthday to chase after another girl. I can't imagine anything worse.
Joseito1875 said: Even though most of the episode was composed of flashbacks, I loved it. This helps us understand Touma a little more. She has know Haruki for a while before the story started, and finally now she's confessing her feelings.
She couldn't keep up the charade anymore.
Great episode!
People should know to use the word flashback appropriately. Nothing can be considered as "flashback" if they contribute to the story and character development. This episode they show Touma's POV and her past which lead her to meet Haruki. By that we should all know that she was the "first girl", has deeper connections and Setsuna is the third person here.
Oh well, I like Setsuna and rooting for her, but at the same time I have sympathy for Touma as well ;_;. Such a hard feelings to chose between the two.
Anyway, things gonna get worst for Setsuna, no doubt. Damn u Haruki ...
Totally agree about people using flashback. Plus all of the scenes have been skillfully shown already if you go back and watch it again.
The first time they met...when she taught him guitar...etc. from harukis point of view.
They repeatedly show "From when the snow melts to when it falls again" which can be taken literally as you see the months change or you can take it as toumas cold heart warming up to the point where she loses kitahara and begins to regress into her isolated state once more.
Ahhh~ Beautiful. It's been a long time since I've watch something like this.
Touma flashback is one of the best this season, and Touma is the best female character this season.. At least for me. 3 more episode, and I wish they animate the rest of the chapter and go with Touma True End.
Reading through the posts and all.... and just addressing what I know and am feeling and thinking about... (maybe a long post but let me rant :D)
1.) the first episode showing the ending:
I take it as the production showing us that these (episodes 1 - 13??) is just the prelude of the drama we are loving and raging for - WA2 IC... Which will gut us of our hearts and put a (feels)grenade in its place... urgh...
Nothing more to it than that since IC is linear and thus proves it's a prelude to the drama of CC and coda which has choices to adhere to different endings...
2.) quote and quote "scheming, sly fox" Setsuna
urgh... out of the three of them in IC, SHE'S the one who's the most considerate, the one who always reads the mood... not that I'm with the Setsuna faction... I'm not even in the Kazusa faction... give some thought and reasoning to the character who considers her "best" friend feelings first... she gave Kazusa a lot of chances to admit and with that she'd be at the sidelines who knows her place... she even asked permission to date Haruki and if it was ok, in which Kazusa gave her blessings... she's a crybaby and all but that is the result of her locked emotions flowing right out... imagine a "loner" (sorry for the term) getting a new friend, that is like "OMG, I can finally show my emotions and tell them about stories and stuff"...
Admittedly she lies a bit there and there (more so in CC) but that is just her reading the mood of the people around her or just her bending her words a bit... seriously who doesn't do these things in real life? is that a big factor in which a lot of people don't like her?
3.) Touma "BEST GIRL!!! WOOHOO!!! EAT D*** SETSUNA" people
WHATEVER PEOPLE!!! please... some of you don't know half the story so ST**! nah just joking people... you can love and hate whoever you want, even me ^^... just give credit to the other characters because it's just downright unfair... I mean Kazusa really is a likable character... with this episode alone, you can see the past of Kazusa, where she was alone and how no one understands her, where she was "saved" by Haruki with his meddling personality, she learned of his terrible guitar playing, taught him, and accompanies him because she knows it's him... a history of affection that was held off because she didn't want to admit her feelings... until you know what...
there are a lot of people who are like this in real life as well... and what is not to like...
4.) what end route (just my thoughts about them/short review)
CC heroines ending-
I went through them first before going through Setsuna's CC, and you'll see different sides of Haruki in them. Chiaki, Koharu, and Mari gives Haruki a different approach to love and are meaningful in a lot of ways, though I think the most they can contribute to the anime is giving life experience and (mostly)distractions to Haruki through some episodes and I think they're gone...
Kazusa True End route-
I really like this route... on how people can sacrifice their relationships with others for that "one true love", but realistically speaking on how it was interpreted in the VN... it was all too grand for me and even for a lot of people... I'm a counselor of a college and I hear crazy things people has done in the name of love, but never once I heard this kind of scenario from anyone except in this VN... I mean it's too much... no where to return to, no clear future, a place unknown, settling down and living through life... realistically and rationally speaking, this "true end" is a love that is foolish... enough said
Setsuna True End route-
I also really like this route because it mends all the people and pieces into place into a clear future... this review is short because I can also say one thing about it... it is too perfect for this kind of drama and i think, is a bit of a let-down but also I can think of no other way this route could end...
Uwaki route-
This ending is what I'm pushing for.... OMG please let it be this end!!! Why? because of the conflict on the guy who is thinking of what is best for everyone!!! This is where Haruki becomes the biggest ass but also the in the end becomes a MARTYR for everyone... this route IMHO also has the most dramatic dialogue and scenario in the whole VN... and what is even better is that... IT HAPPENS A LOT IN REAL LIFE... I hear stories like this left and right, and it is just music in my ears and it really is a sight to see what will happen to these people... I enjoy this because it depends on the person really on how things will end, not me who is just guiding them...
RediceRyan said: Fantastic episode. Best confession scene of the season.
Not sure why there needed to be those flashbacks
It's just exposition to fill in the blanks about their relationship not to mention toumas viewpoint and also some of her back story. This helps you empathize with touma doing her best to reach kitahara despite having told to stay away from him. Also, the beginning helps kitahara haters understand that he's not indecisive...he's trying his best to keep someone he loves who rejected him(or thought she did) close to him. And we all know how hard that is after being friendzoned by someone.
He kinda abandoned his girlfriend on her birthday to chase after another girl. I can't imagine anything worse.
Well if you look at it that way then you sir by all means correct.
But when you say "another girl" like toumas just some random chick in his life I fear you missed the entire point of the episode let alone the entire series up to this point. Lol.
hyperknees91 said: People really want the "School Days" route to be the ending? Fudge man that would be friggin hilarious just to see the rage.
it beats the production to side with just one heroine because people will rage whichever they choose... if it is uwaki route it caters to both the factions... it also has that "White Album 1" ending kind of feel... drama nonetheless and out of our hands it may be, it'll be interesting to see people rage...
hyperknees91 said: People really want the "School Days" route to be the ending? Fudge man that would be friggin hilarious just to see the rage.
it beats the production to side with just one heroine because people will rage whichever they choose... if it is uwaki route it caters to both the factions... it also has that "White Album 1" ending kind of feel... drama nonetheless and out of our hands it may be, it'll be interesting to see people rage...
Hey I'm not disagreeing. It probably should go down that route as it would be the most entertaining. I would feel bad for people who take WA2 seriously though haha.
And for most players, they seem to consider that the real ending of the game (Ironically it's labeled as a normal ending, much like Swan Songs normal ending). So yeah...popcorn ahoyyy.