Inconscient said: --Sigh. Classic IS something that stands the "test of time" because it set a new standard and/or captures some essential aspect of the human experience. Obviously I didn't state my comment clearly. It is my view that most "mainstream" anime is anything but classic. Most of it tends to be cheap, commercial, unoriginal, and panders to current fads. That is not to say that some "mainstream" shows don't become classics but most of them do not. Lastly, define 'classic'. Series do not have to be 'classic' to be considered mainstream.. Also, when I think about it, I doubt if the "casual anime" viewer gives much thought as to what is classic. Half of them don't know the difference subtle difference between anime and cartoon. Splitter said: --Not really laughing at them but I did try to illustrate that back around comment #78 or so.Too many to list in mainstream, cult, and moe, and of course it will differ between Eastern and Western sensibilities. I'm just gonna laugh at the people saying things like Eva or Bebop. Those have been around for 15-20 years already. They've already stood the test of time on one hemisphere or the other. |
lisnoireMar 4, 2012 10:25 PM
| -animeS - The plural of anime is anime. More than one deer is still deer. There is no damn "s". -epic |ˈepik| noun•a work portraying heroic deeds/adventures covering an long period of time - adjective • heroic/grand in scale or character Active Military, Prior Service, and Veteran's Anime Club http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=25937&time=1299710079 |
| Lisnoire is nice I guess, because I laughed at them. People are lazy (I am too), it's funny. I mentioned it on page 3 btw :P It's a shame how "mindless" people become on internet forums sometimes. They just click the topic, briefly read whatever was in the OP (often missing several things) and give their random opinions without even contributing to any discussion. I myself can be like this sometimes.. although I try not to be. |
| If Naruto, Bleach, and Gintama (and One Piece?) are the anime we're talking about, the name of this thread should be "Anime that won't end in 10 years." |
| What was this topic about again? |
| I'll never understand what's so great about Evangelion. |
JonyJC said: I'll never understand what's so great about Evangelion. Yay? Sorry for your loss? I am sure we can dig up someone that doesn't understand how great Wilt Chamberlain is either but that says more about that person's critical thinking ability than Chamberlain's accomplishments. |
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| Clannad, and One Piece. Maybe Steins;Gate too. |
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lisnoire said: Inconscient said: --Sigh. Classic IS something that stands the "test of time" because it set a new standard and/or captures some essential aspect of the human experience. Obviously I didn't state my comment clearly. It is my view that most "mainstream" anime is anything but classic. Most of it tends to be cheap, commercial, unoriginal, and panders to current fads. That is not to say that some "mainstream" shows don't become classics but most of them do not. Lastly, define 'classic'. Series do not have to be 'classic' to be considered mainstream.. Also, when I think about it, I doubt if the "casual anime" viewer gives much thought as to what is classic. Half of them don't know the difference subtle difference between anime and cartoon. I do know, and have all along known what it means for a series to be 'mainstream', which is apparently what you've been trying exceptionally hard to teach me..  If you'd bother to try and comprehend my point all the way back to my first post, you just might happen to notice "In most people's heads". I'm talking about how opinionated the concept has become to the general anime community.. TL;DR, I'm talking about dogmatism. Also, 'casual anime viewer'? I would really like to know your conception of that, doesn't seem you have to right idea.. jpem said: OriginANIME said: I never thought of Clannad as a mainstream Anime because people where I live generally don't know what it is. (compared to stuff like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece etc.) Though people on here (an Anime forum) generally knows what a lot of Animes are so what Animes would you consider mainstream, and not mainstream? (just wondering by the way, not trying to start anything) lol Well i think there is a difference between what's mainstream and what's mainstream on MAL, some things are really popular around here, yet the casual anime watcher who doesn't frequent sites like this may not have ever heard of them. Don't think that's the case really, in my eyes it's more like what's mainstream in the eyes of a newfag, and what's mainstream in the eyes of a veteran anime fan. As an example, I use different forumboards on daily basis, one of them has an anime section called 'AA' where newfags and such with their obdurateness pop up from time to time. On the contrary, there are also those resident otakus and such who hold the community together, people who would never wander twice on MAL's forumboard. There, and I could name more places, are people who despite MAL, but their ideas and impressions on anime is no different from ours.. |
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| I agree with most of the ones listed throughout, but what about: Great Teacher Onizuka Mars of Destruction Yu Yu Hakusho (I feel this should get more mentions, but I'm biased) Ouran High School Host Club (unless it's just my wishful thinking) Steins;Gate? -I know ^this one is only a year old, too, but it was very popular when it aired. I think it would've gotten more hype were it not for Mahou Shoujo Madoka*Magica, which pretty much stole the spotlight for '11. Over time when Madoka gets less popular (but still probably remembered 10 years), perhaps Steins;Gate will get more hype or be remembered, as well. If AnoHana has potential to be remembered in this sense, the same might be true for S;G. Just a thought... |
Forest-kunMar 5, 2012 7:26 AM
| Haruhi, lazy summer days watching it! Best isolation I've had in a while! |
astronomical said: If Naruto, Bleach, and Gintama (and One Piece?) are the anime we're talking about, the name of this thread should be "Anime that won't end in 10 years." yeah i understand what u mean but thats why they are going to be remembered for being so long i watcehd gintama but naruto and bleach are everywhere in shops and on tv so... |
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Anime_Name said: That's not changing the subject. My point is, random spinoffs does not contribute to the series being remembered unless they themselves are memorable enough. Just look at NGE, all those random manga spinoffs never had a fraction of the impact the original series had, the franchise is remembered because of the main series and the following movie, not all the spinoffs, those are merely frosting on the cake if anything at all.Stop changing the subject. The question is, Will CG be remembered in 10 years time? The spinoffs and crap keeps it from being forgotten and it already is closing in on the 10 year mark while current productions are still ongoing. If we are not talking about fans then who the hell are we talking about? It's the fervent fans that kept NGE's hype high all these years prior to the reboot movies sparking a new interest in the series from anime fans that don't like old graphics. Yea, but again, the spinoffs don't have any weight to them alone to be noticed outside of the fanbase, that's all I've been saying, no sense trying to twist the point around. But NGE itself has been noticed far and wide outside the fanbase, and certainly to a far bigger extent than CG has at this point.So at least if we try to use NGE as a measure for lasting cultural impact, in that it got where it was today from only 26 episodes and a movie (I really can't see how the reboots add anything of value so far), CG hasn't yet done the same with it's two seasons, and I do doubt the further spinoffs will add very much to it, so far being unrelated to the original plot and all. Now sure, NGE is far on top of the popularity pole, so that's not to say CG can't also leave an impact only because it pales compared to it. But the way I see it, it still falls between two chairs, as it's whole story is basically built by mashing up various ideas, all of which either are or will likely be remembered more for their role in other stories, such as Gundam and Death note. |
| Soul Eater, Death Note, Code Geass...and all of the crappy 300+ episode ongoing shows that I hate will be remembered because they're so long x.x |
kiltroutgore said: Soul Eater, Death Note, Code Geass...and all of the crappy 300+ episode ongoing shows that I hate will be remembered because they're so long x.x They won't be remembered because they have 300+ episodes. :) There's a reason why they reached that number after all. If they were crappy they wouldn't even reach 25. Though, apparently it's cool trend nowadays to hate the popular stuff to feel "different". Why people try to compare everything for Japan? Most memorable =/= how well it did in Japan... Each region is different... Stuff that won't be forgotten? One Piece - Anime would still be airing most likely. Naruto Bleach Pokemon FMA Digimon Death Note Code Geass Ghost in the shell Hajime no Ippo Captain Tsubasa Mirai Shounen Conan (I can say it will never be forgotten in the Middle East region :) ) A LOT of anime will be memorable in 10 years... |
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| Other than the long-running Shounen... Death Note, Probably. Although, I want Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood to live eternally. |
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kiltroutgore said: Soul Eater, Death Note, Code Geass...and all of the crappy 300+ episode ongoing shows that I hate will be remembered because they're so long x.x Because every single long show is shit. |
| Clannad/Clannad: After Story for me |
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That's not changing the subject. My point is, random spinoffs does not contribute to the series being remembered unless they themselves are memorable enough. Just look at NGE, all those random manga spinoffs never had a fraction of the impact the original series had, the franchise is remembered because of the main series and the following movie, not all the spinoffs, those are merely frosting on the cake if anything at all. I am not talking about success of the individual spin-offs. Getting spin-offs is one way to indicate that the franchise itself hasn't been forgotten by the fans. Yea, but again, the spinoffs don't have any weight to them alone to be noticed outside of the fanbase, Then the question would be are we talking about the fans forgetting a franchise or non-fans being aware about shows they've never watched in 10 years. The former seems to be a more feasible topic of this forum while the latter would fit into a forum that isn't centered around anime. But NGE itself has been noticed far and wide outside the fanbase, and certainly to a far bigger extent than CG has at this point. And does that mean in people inside the fandom will stop talking about it in 10 years because people outside of the fandom don't know about it? That defeats the point of fans congregating to discussion boards. So at least if we try to use NGE as a measure for lasting cultural impact, in that it got where it was today from only 26 episodes and a movie (I really can't see how the reboots add anything of value so far), CG hasn't yet done the same with it's two seasons, and I do doubt the further spinoffs will add very much to it, so far being unrelated to the original plot and all. NGE was my analogy and I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick for this conversation because that would assume fans only remember shows that had value and impact similar to NGE and mean ignoring other reasons a show could be remember for. People are still talking about Mars of Destruction almost 8 years after the fact. So NGE can't be a standard-bearer when the concept of not forgetting something is so open. Now sure, NGE is far on top of the popularity pole, so that's not to say CG can't also leave an impact only because it pales compared to it. Why don't you start up a topic that discusses impact if you want to talk about it so much. But do keep in mind that the number of separate projects is one way to measure impact just as is whether non-anime fans you happen to know are aware of any particular show. But the way I see it, it still falls between two chairs, as it's whole story is basically built by mashing up various ideas, all of which either are or will likely be remembered more for their role in other stories, such as Gundam and Death note. The I see it is CG is so tightly bound to Death Note because of similar airing dates and main characters that discussion of one inevitably brings in comparisons of the other in anime forums. All that aside, I'd bet you'd still be talking about CG until the day you die. Thus, you'd be one of the prime reasons why CG can't be forgotten around here. |
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| Clannad, Clannad AS, Death Note. |
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| Only looked at the first page, but... No Sailor Moon, DBZ, or Pokemon? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?! Those were my intro to anime when I was a wee 11 year old. NGE will also never be forgotten, for sure. I'm hoping Cowboy Bebop will be the same way. |
| Death Note, Code Geass, One Piece, Nartuo, Bleach, Full metal Alchemist, Gintama, Rurouni Kenshin, Dragon Ball Z, Gundam etc.. most mainstream animes will most likely still be remembered 10 years from now, and probably most of Ghibli's stuff. |
BikageMar 5, 2012 7:52 PM
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| Probably Baccano! Hunter x Hunter and Fairy Tail. They oddly taught me a lot ^.^ |
| Rurouni Kenshin has always had a place in my heart. It was pretty awesome at the time and I could never forget about it. |
| The one thing that I'd love to see is a lesbian yandere. |
| Definitely Evangelion |
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| @Silent_Sword: Older than 10 years. @Ragna92: Older than 10 years. @World: Y u no read topic title? |
| Akira? 1988 and people still talk about it (and lot's more of 80's anime, these are just examples) or hajime no ippo and legend of galactic heroes? alltough i haven't seen these 2 myself. and why oh why was i sure dead note was going to be mentioned... and imo school days (it's hard to forget about that one, be it good or bad) it's kind of a vage title... it can also mean what anime will not be forgotten after 10 years? 10 years from today? from the last 10 years? |
Legendre said: @Silent_Sword: Older than 10 years. @Ragna92: Older than 10 years. @World: Y u no read topic title? eh...how do you interpret the title? Because I think it refers to anime that will still be remembered ten years from now on. |
Legendre said: @Silent_Sword: Older than 10 years. @Ragna92: Older than 10 years. @World: Y u no read topic title? derp |
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| dragon ball series don't really like it but it's nostalgic |
Victlin said: KeiranShikari said: seems like someone haven't heard about RoE...A mash up of terrible characters (Misato Katsuragi was an exception) average battle of the week formula, meaningless religious symbols to make it seem DEEP. It certainly fits in well with Japan's other top selling anime in Bakemonogatari, K-on and Lucky Star. So what? How would Rebuild of Evangelion change Shikari's views on the original Eva? Are the movies so bad that they make it look better? |
Tiago97Mar 7, 2012 6:06 AM
| anything by Key will be remembered. haruhism will reign since it still is. lucky star i believe just for its "seinfeld" style story: there isn't one. i think fairy tail cuz in my opinion its better than bleach and one piece. idk everything thats good will be. i mean does anyone remember kanokon or dual PTA? |
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| rurouni kenshin, gintama, dbz, steins;gate, kiss x sis, and toradora |
Victlin said: i'm not going to argue about something already stated by mostly every official critics made to it. It's your opinion to think something like that about a movie that has been stated a masterpiece worldwide (talking about 2.0, 1.0 is more like a re-make) Except I haven't even watched the goddamn movies. I haven't adressed the quality of the movies at all, ignoring that little question. I'm just stating that they will not change anyone's view on the original Eva. Get it now? Example: I think Asuka is annoying in Neon Genesis Evangelion, the remakes will not change that. I don't know if I'm wording this well, because as you may have noticed, my mother language isn't English, but neither is yours... |
| Because it's considered art, Grave of the Fireflys will ALWAYS be remembered. It even comes on some of the classic movie channels! |
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| Hei's collar bones will go down in history. |
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| One Piece obviously, it's fking legendary. |
KeiranShikari said: A mash up of terrible characters (Misato Katsuragi was an exception) average battle of the week formula, meaningless religious symbols to make it seem DEEP. Coming from someone who likes Utena, I find it funny. |
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Yandy said: KeiranShikari said: A mash up of terrible characters (Misato Katsuragi was an exception) average battle of the week formula, meaningless religious symbols to make it seem DEEP. Coming from someone who likes Utena, I find it funny. I know right? Utena was literally 3/4 monster of the week and it even repeated the same opponents 3x |
| Probably One Piece, Steins;gate, clannad as, and all of the anime that are pretty much legendary right now like yyh, rurouni kenshin, dbz.. |
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| The ones I saw 10 years ago that I still live/love till this day. I'm 20 btw: Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Inuyasha, Dragonball Z, Eureka 7, Trigun, Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Paranoia Agent, Xenosaga, S-Cry-ed, FLCL. The ones that came out more recently that might have that lasting presentation to me: Black Lagoon, Hell Girl, Bakemonogatari, Spice and Wolf, Ergo Proxy, Higurashi, Shiki, Ouran High School Host Club, Bakuman, Death Note. I can/have watch(ed) all of these shows multiple times and not get bored. |
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