Just the question given in the title like why? |
| I want to hear japanese voice actors, to enjoy their talent. That is why I usually watch anime with subs. No more reasons. If there are no subs, for example, in chinese anime, I watch with dubs. |
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SouthernmostIsle said: Why do people always say that sub is better? And hate dub watchers so often? Neither is better and not sure who you are talking about hating dub watchers. Unless you are watching anime in it's RAW state without the need for subtitles any superiority argument is moot. |
ColourWheelOct 1, 2022 2:35 PM
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| The original version of an anime will always be superior to alternatives. There's more detail and years of training that went into it, so it pays off. One thing that I notice is that several characters are voiced by only one voice actor in English dubs. Since characters have different personalities, it can't be avoided to say that a certain voice has become redundant which leads to degradation of quality. |
SouthernmostIsle said: Memore said: damnnn, i was expecting an answer saying becuse they want to hear sub voice actors and litteraly the first oneI want to hear japanese voice actors, to enjoy their talent. That is why I usually watch anime with subs. No more reasons. If there are no subs, for example, in chinese anime, I watch with dubs. And I exactly answered as you expected. |
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| I don't hate dub watchers. I prefer subs, but I'm watching the Citrus dub for the first time and it's not bad. IMO, English don't put as much emotion into their work as Japanese, that's just what I've noticed. |
| in most cases it's the natural preference for the often superior Japanese voice acting and in other minor cases it's because of anime elitism. |
| The Japanese VAs usually put more effort in and there is more of them so they are better cast usually. Dubs sometimes make bizarre translations, regionalization that changes entire dialogues, or even cuts or edits content. The music in dubs sometimes has to be changed because of copyright or because of lack of access to some of the original audio mixing for older stuff I assume. Only advantage dub has is you don’t have to keep an eye on subtitles so you can watch what is going on easier. Only a small handful of exceptions exist where the dub is better due to dialogue changes. |
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SouthernmostIsle said: traed said: you convinced dub watchers to watch sub, amazingThe Japanese VAs usually put more effort in and there is more of them so they are better cast usually. Dubs sometimes make bizarre translations, regionalization that changes entire dialogues, or even cuts or edits content. The music in dubs sometimes has to be changed because of copyright or because of lack of access to some of the original audio mixing for older stuff I assume. Only advantage dub has is you don’t have to keep an eye on subtitles so you can watch what is going on easier. Only a small handful of exceptions exist where the dub is better due to dialogue changes. I will play devils advocate for a bit here since I am bored. To quickly comment on this is the fact that subs made for Anime are usually just loose translations. Viewers would sometimes be better off watching a dubbed version of a series when it's available then spending even a fraction of the time focused in on reading the subs when they are not accurately conveying what is actually being said in Japanese. For one thing you have up to a quarter of the screen constantly being blocked obstructing the animation. I personally can watch Anime without subtitles because I understand it unless there is an extremely thick dialect being spoken. But to watch it with friends I know I enjoy it more watching it dubbed because western humor is different and it can often be lost when watching Anime with other people who do not understand Japanese. |
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| As a kid of course i watched everything in my native language (which is german), but after watching with japanese dub i can't go back. They are just better, have a bigger selection of VAs and are more fitting in my opinion. The emotions, the "quirkiness", sometimes a bit over the top...It just fits anime. That doesn't mean i think "dub is bad". It's just that everything outside of japanese feels completly wrong. And after watching a little bit with subtitles you don't even realize them anymore. You just read them incidental. Funny enough, because of japanese dub, I started getting better with english because I couldn't find ger sub anywhere. |
| A lot of anime were initially intended for Japanese audience, or at the very least written by someone who was Japanese. For example in "A Silent Voice" there is a scene where someone misinterprests the word for love "suki" with the word for moon "tsuki", something that doesn't work as well on the English dud. On the flip side there are quite a bunch of anime where the dub is far better than the sub, for example Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, Ike Musume, Cowboy Bebop etc. I've seen several anime in both sub and dub, and while I prefer dub, it's really just a manner of individual preference in the end. |
| Weebs obviously demand authenticity from superior Japanese programming. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Because for the most part, it's very hard to beat Japanese voice acting. |
| This is just my take, i dont hate dub watchers,if you decide to watch something in dub thats fine, however im of the thinking that whatever media you are consuming you should consume it in the original language, the way it was intended to be shown. Also, at least to me, i feel like the dub voices doent match the original voices, the tones are so different. For example, in anime just look at luffys (one piece) voice in japanese and in english to me they sound so different, and in spanish is way worse. Then another example that is not anime wise, you imagine watching wolf of wall street with leonardo di caprios voice in spanish?? It sounds so offf, the dub would never match leonardo di caprios acting. Those are my reasons why i would always watch something in sub, mostly from my own experience. Pd: I believe the people who are more reluctant to watch sub are english native speakers since the majority of media they consume is in english. |
| As someone who prefers sub over dub, not that I dislike dub, it's just that I think sub feels more natural, when the characters are speaking in their own native language. If it's a Japanese anime, characters speaking in Japanese just feels more natural, and fitting. Same if it's a Chinese anime, I prefer watching in Chinese dub, or if it's a Korean anime, I prefer to watch it in Korean dub. It just fits the culture better, ex. if a character is supposed to act moe, Japanese voice would feel more natural than an English speaker trying to act cute when it's not something that happens in their culture. There are a few exception like Pokemon and Dragon Ball, but that's because I've watched those in English dub when I first started out. |
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| I don't hate people for having their own preferences. But why do I watch ANYTHING on its native language? Better trained voice actors, native language, didn't get the job because they are part of a union/cult. I enjoying hearing more than 5 different hags that don't sound completely off character. (variety) Also I have no trouble reading subs and if anything it bothers me more when people say "words go by too fast". Illiteracy is rampant in the dub camp. Peace peace. |
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| Because dub of other languages are usually bad, but I don't have anything against its watchers :) |
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SouthernmostIsle said: ColourWheel said: damn @colourwheel has the plan to turn the world around but just so you know i can atleast read 4xfaster than average and look at the screenI will play devils advocate for a bit here since I am bored. To quickly comment on this is the fact that subs made for Anime are usually just loose translations. Viewers would sometimes be better off watching a dubbed version of a series when it's available then spending even a fraction of the time focused in on reading the subs when they are not accurately conveying what is actually being said in Japanese. For one thing you have up to a quarter of the screen constantly being blocked obstructing the animation. I personally can watch Anime without subtitles because I understand it unless there is an extremely thick dialect being spoken. But to watch it with friends I know I enjoy it more watching it dubbed because western humor is different and it can often be lost when watching Anime with other people who do not understand Japanese. It's not really about how fast someone can read something if it's not even accurately being represented. Image for a moment you are watching something in your native language with subtitles on and every time someone says something the subtitles are saying something almost completely different. You can imagine that being quite annoying. That's pretty much how I feel about Anime subtitles. |
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| This is like the most boring and pointless argument that exists in this communitty, which it seems will never end apparently. |
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kycnui said: The original version of an anime will always be superior to alternatives. There's more detail and years of training that went into it, so it pays off. One thing that I notice is that several characters are voiced by only one voice actor in English dubs. Since characters have different personalities, it can't be avoided to say that a certain voice has become redundant which leads to degradation of quality. This is ridiculous because it doesn't factor the audience's understanding as well. If your culture is far removed from Japanese, things like a sense of humour and conversational subtext can be lost easily without good localization. And while subs can be localized to an extent, there are many cases where dubs manage to outclass them by bridging the language gap. Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt is an excellent example of this. Sure you could watch the sub, but why the hell would you as an English-speaker when the dub is so much more fun. To the OP, For me whether I watch sub or dub depends primarily on the setting of the anime as well as the quality of the dub. If the anime is set in anywhere that's not Japan (excluding stuff like isekai) and the dub is of good quality, I'll likely watch the dub. If it's set in a western society and the story is more serious, that's even more likely. I watched Cyberpunk Edgerunners in dubbed for instance because I wanted the various accents and cultural cadences to manifest in the characters' speech. If you don't understand Japanese, everything the Japanese VAs say just comes across as standard moon-rune speak. You can still parse out some individuality between characters mind you, but with nowhere near the clarity of a good dubbed performance. |
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| i just dont get how some dont even realize how fking anoying some of the female voices are in dub. and then theres the cringe ones. but hey, even i prefer the old yugioh in dubs |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| Black Lagoon's English dub is better. It gives me a boner and the original Japanese does not. With "Wanna Be The Strongest In The World" (Sekai de Ichiban Tsuyoku Naritai) it is the opposite. Original Japanese for this one is bonerific. |
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| why do people say the sky is blue? why do people say kittens are cute? why do people say the world is round? why do people say 1 + 1 = 2? why do people |
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| I have watched a bit of dubbed anime, honestly it's not all bad but certainly a lot of it is bad, and even if it isn't outright bad it rarely exceeds the original. It's worse because its one more step removed from the source material, because the dubbers have a varying level of commitment to authentically translating the tone and message of the show, because the Japanese cadence, tone, cultural context cannot be translated naturally and the best the team can do is recreate something similar. There are many reasons, and depending on who you ask they may only care about a few of them. And of course for non-japanese speakers there is a certain amount of inertia to get used to listening to a language you ostensibly can't understand as well as the extra work of reading while watching which may lead you to believe dubs are the superior option. I guess it really depends where your priorities lie. |
| I'm from Brazil and my personal opinion is that english dub suck ass compared to japanese and brazilian dubs, and this is not a biased judgment, the quality is really on a different level. American voice actors/localization staff are not so great imo. They are not able to put personality and emotion into the characters they play, it sounds too "ordinary" and empty to me. |
Rishun_97Oct 1, 2022 9:54 PM
| Well, you gotta look at the history a little bit. Dubbing used to be part of a process called localization, in which licensors like 4kids would take a Japanese anime and try to Americanize it by changing stuff they don't think aligns with their idea of American values or culture. So you get censored versions which possibly change the plot and characters, and do stupid stuff like calling onigiri a jelly donut. Dubs are probably not as bad as they used to be. With people growing up with the internet now, fans are going to get more upset if dubs screw with the plot too much. But still, dubs are still a significant change to the work, so if you want to enjoy it as the original creators intended, sub is going to be more accurate. You still have to deal with translation issues, but at least the translation is free from additional constraints of lip flaps and having to act out something that is unnatural in the target language. |
SouthernmostIsle said: ColourWheel said: so you mean to say when japanse is translated for sub it's inaccurate but dub is even more inaccurate because it is changing the second time from japanse to sub, sub to dubIt's not really about how fast someone can read something if it's not even accurately being represented. Image for a moment you are watching something in your native language with subtitles on and every time someone says something the subtitles are saying something almost completely different. You can imagine that being quite annoying. That's pretty much how I feel about Anime subtitles. Either way if you are relying on subs because you just don't understand Japanese or relying on dubs in your native language, you are still getting an inaccurate representation. The Japanese language is complex and took me two decades to understand it fluently without any formal education. I wasn't purposely trying to learn it at 1st. I have just been around it long enough being married to a Japanese woman for over 20 years and having parents who use to frequently do missionary work from South Korea when I was growing up. The thing about Dubs is more people actually watch them over subs than you would think. In fact western viewers who watch Anime with subs is actually more the minority. It's enough where there is an entire industry that has been created just to specifically license Anime for dubbing. If there was ever a true consensus about the matter and no one really watched dubs then they would have just stop making them decades ago. I would also like to remind users that Anime isn't produced or recorded in real time either. Technically All anime is "dubbed". Voice acting no matter in what language is always added later anyways. |
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| >Why do people always say that sub is better? Being an original languge snob like yours truly means that you always have to prefer the original version no matter how shit it is. >And hate dub watchers so often? Some form of elitism I guess. |
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| I used to be a dub watcher. But after I had often watched sub, I decided to stick with sub. Mostly, original voice actor in anime is much better in performance compared to dub voice actor. That voice quality margin surpasses my extra effort reading the subtitle. Also, from watching in Japanese audio and English subtitle for years I unintentionally learned a little bit of Japanese (not writing). Not just literal translation to English but more like context understanding. Not all translations are perfect, so its important to grasp the true meaning of what the character are trying to tell. So I can imagine that dub alone can't achieve this. I don't hate dub watcher, but more like feeling pity to them for not enjoying the show to the fullest. |
| I prefer sub over dub 9/10, but I have nothing against dub watchers dub just makes anime feel more cartoony and less japanese imo, and I'm not in it for that |
Rishun_97 said: I'm from Brazil and my personal opinion is that english dub suck ass compared to japanese and brazilian dubs, and this is not a biased judgment, the quality is really on a different level. American voice actors/localization staff are not so great imo. They are not able to put personality and emotion into the characters they play, it sounds too "ordinary" and empty to me. That's a good thing. The original Japanese is too exaggerated, it sounds unnatural, I can tell that nobody actually talks like that irl, despite not speaking the language. Of course English voice acting is still just acting, not actual conversation recordings, but grammatical errors missing is not a bad thing. |
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| I'm pretty nuteral when it comes to this. I think it has something to do with earlier days of dubbing (4kids anyone) when there were way to many changes. However imo, shows like dragon ball, fmab, shiki, cowboy bebop, black lagon, hellsing ultimate...are enjoyable either way (sub or dub) |
| I'm on the minority side. I prefer dubs as much as possible. I'll still watch subs since there's more of them, but when there's an option for both, I always pick dub. I feel I can get more engrossed and enjoy the anime more. With subs I feel a bit disconnected when reading and watching, because then I tend to tune out the Japanese voices since I can't understand Japanese anyway and use my own internal voice. I'd be better off reading a book or manga instead in that case. |
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