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Oct 25, 2021 9:59 AM
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Got some actual mech combat again and it was off to an intense start.

Amou displayed skill but it seems he still needs guidance in operations like this. It also seems he's also having a hard time letting the past go. Hope his mentality wil be ok. I'm also kinda curious how his relationship will affect Gashin and vice versa now.
Oct 25, 2021 10:47 AM
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Damn my heart is aching when then the lady we barely knew got crushed by Ghost.
Oct 25, 2021 10:55 AM
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The Resistance's base camp almost got oblierated, and Amou with his AMAIM Kenbu and Gai is here to save the day against some powerful AMAIM, which Gashin has some feud with it.

The backstory of Gashin and this AMAIM "Ghost" that came out of nowhere to kill his father in his AMAIM Jogan (the one that Gashin is piloting now), personal feelings can only get him so far. Some decent mecha action again with the teamwork of Amou and Gashin against the powerful Ghost that could use spare parts for weapons, and it's not an easy battle to overcome.

At this stage, Amou is still quite clueless about his situation, and I'd expect him to at least get the gist of why he's piloting a mech to save mankind. But with the death of Risa, Amou cannot look back anymore to see more people die, and forsake Kenbu to hiding.

For the military to easily discern and discover the sequence of events, it's a given according to whichever side of the story's focused at (Asian or Oceania military).

Amou, it's either having a spine or be spineless. Accept that this is reality.
Oct 25, 2021 10:56 AM
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If i ever learn anything about a mecha genre .. is that there always must be that one super edgy dark, black mecha robot who killed someone's parents/friend/sibling/hamster lmao.

Regarding the onee-san, you know i kinda was expecting for her to die the next episode. She was like a reason for Shiiba, the main-kun to join the resistance, he had no one else, no family, friends nothing. So she was meant to be like a catalyst for his character. Now he as a reason to fight, to avenge someone .. now, saying all that there is still the rule of not showing the body = not actually dead, so im wondering if they do something with that or it's a definitive. Nevertheless i'm expecting some sacrifices as the show progress.


And i hope this is a 24+ episode series, it seems to me like a big project.
Oct 25, 2021 11:02 AM
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RIP Lucy... This is a pain.
Now, I've wondered what will be the reason that will make Amou backs to fighting. We could know about it in the next episode.
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Oct 25, 2021 11:07 AM
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Damm that suit sure looks sinister. The black only serves to give it a extra chilling effect as well. RIP Risa to the very end she was trying to help others. Given Gashin's past with that suit though can't blame him for wanting to avenge his dad though. By itself Ghost is already powerful bit its ability to wield any attachment and weapon it finds on the field only enhances its power. The battle against Ghost though sure was a close one. Their teamwork was pretty good but Ghost proved to be full of surprises. But the losses that we took sure were harsh. But if anything the ability to deduce what actually happened and produce models of the suits involved with regards to their capabilities sure was impressive. Overall an excellent ep that while featuring some nice combat via the fight with Ghost also showed Amou the brutal realities that war can bring to those that you know. I do hope that Amou is able to discover the motivation that he needs to fight though.
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Oct 25, 2021 11:11 AM
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If Sunrise is gonna play by Gundam's playbook, I'll instantly quit it. New franchise means new start, not a restart.
Oct 25, 2021 12:47 PM
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Great episode! Amou fights quite well for having not much experience and that fight scene at the start was really good. Was some insane plot armour for that enemy AMAIM to take freaking forever to end up not exploding and killing MC though xD. Amou has had to experience a death of that girl who convinced him to join the ‘terrorists’ (forgot her name lol) but it’s kinda hard to feel emotional at that scene as we barely saw her.

Looking forward to the next episode!
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Oct 25, 2021 1:14 PM
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So the girl with the blues hair actually got red flagged last time?

The setting at this point reminds me a bit of Victory Gundam and the fights remind me the first season of Full Metal Panic.

phantomfandom said:
If Sunrise is gonna play by Gundam's playbook,

This is not Sunrise tho.
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Oct 25, 2021 1:34 PM
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Welp, just as we expected Risa became Amou's first casualty. However, I felt like her death was forced in a way to show Amou that people can die on the battlefield as a source of his trauma. As a result, Risa's death had little to no impact on the audience because most of us saw her death coming a mile away. So the Ghost AMAIM is the rouge mech that has been attacking random targets and murdered Gashin's dad. Thankfully, Amou and Gashin manged to beat Ghost and stop it from self-destructing. Risa's death took a toll on Amou mentally and has lost the will to fight and join the Japanese terrorist group.
Oct 25, 2021 2:18 PM
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That military guy must be a genius or a newtype, to be able to visualize what exactly happened just by looking at the debris and remains of a battlefield and mysteriously made data's on all 3 mech frames and tech like it was nothing..

Also not so much scene time with the Onee-san... (TAT)
Oct 25, 2021 3:59 PM

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The Ghost is controlled remotely. Hoping it's the Char clone's machine. Appears to be fighting everyone.

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Oct 25, 2021 4:01 PM
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The plot of this anime is very peculiar, sometimes it changes but it also gets bad, it's average, like the example of this episode that had new things that can lead to the next episodes.
Oct 25, 2021 7:26 PM
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That was so stupid. Hey, lets shoot at the 3 story tall super tank with my shitty assault rifle. I don't understand why the ghost even acknowledged it. Then, ghost gets amou down on the ground and stabs his head like 5 times with his super claw which does absolutely nothing, not even scratch despite this being a claw capable of ripping through a mech. Why is amou even fighting the thing when it clearly can't do anything at all to him?

And I don't understand why they stopped attacking it after destroying it's head. It's controlled by an AI, why would that stop it and the cockpits aren't even in the head.

Gashin the sniper rushing in with a knife was also pretty dumb but i'll chalk it up to temporary insanity or something. How are satellites not able to track ghost? This show doesn't have anything like minovsky particles or whatever. Is that thing also hacking the satellites?

Why did amou just watch ghost not be dead, then run over to him, then jump over his head, then hit him in the back. Like, he reacted visually right away but just watched it happen.

Why a lot of things.

I really want this show to be good but it's just not so far.
Oct 25, 2021 8:13 PM
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There are lots of mysteries that begin to raise in this ep:

- Who made Ghost? From the name, I guess he was one of the armor in the previous war that was left.
- It is autonomous but also can block Gai's access, can learn, can break its own limit. If this doesn't scream he has an AI inside like Amou's and Gashin's, then I don't know what does.
- Who is the sponsor of the Japanese Resistance?

I feel like the reason why 4 other countries conquered Japan isn't that simple like what was stated in ep 1...it may have something to do with the fact that Gai was lost in the forest.

The ep does its job pretty well and I actually surprised at the show mentioning they have therapy for the pilots. This thing is usually ignored in the mecha series (if Evangelion has such a thing Shinji would be healthy lmao). Gashin being reasonable to Amou at the end of the episode is a nice touch and adds depth to his character.

Onee-san died as expected. Hope next ep would flesh her out a little bit more.
Oct 25, 2021 9:47 PM

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I figured that lady was going to die, but didn't expect them to kill her off before the opening. Made me laugh a little.

The plot point of Amou leaving the resistance/AMAIM feels a little cliche and a little too early. We obviously know he's coming back (probably after some character development), but to do this so early in the story feels pointless. Also, the idea of leaving the AMAIM behind a waterfall unattended is kind of reckless. I know Gashin said that they'll send people to recover the AMAIM, but I can't imagine doing something like that with such an important equipment.
Oct 25, 2021 10:41 PM
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Erotaku_ said:


The plot point of Amou leaving the resistance/AMAIM feels a little cliche and a little too early. We obviously know he's coming back (probably after some character development), but to do this so early in the story feels pointless. Also, the idea of leaving the AMAIM behind a waterfall unattended is kind of reckless. I know Gashin said that they'll send people to recover the AMAIM, but I can't imagine doing something like that with such an important equipment.


Not really pointless. I think it's a pretty nice touch on the humanity of Japanese Resistance side. In other series most of time, the higher up wont give the characters choices at all and just "get inside the damn robot". Amou is more like a victim being caught up in this mess, not really by his choice. He is already scared of dying and it makes sense for him to feel even more afraid, rather than feeling hatred. This makes a nice contrast between the way Amou and Gashin handlle their grief.

And yeah Amou is stupid lmao to cover the robot in water. That scene serves as a symbolic one more than logic: it was where onee-san guided him to and made him laughed last episode.
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Oct 25, 2021 11:42 PM

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We expected Risa to die, but they really did it at the very start of the episode, damn.

Some pretty sick mecha action this episode. I like that Amou left the resistance, though we know he's gonna come back eventually. Gonna have to process Risa's death first. That red haired dude has some strong observation skills. I wonder who made Ghost and where it aligns with.
Oct 26, 2021 12:24 AM
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This episode was great! Best mech designs of the season and second best mecha anime of the season (SAKUGAN is first) imo. Also, that fight was great! I like that Amou decided to leave the resistance (for now) and his fear is very realistic. It's gotta be hard seeing someone you've bonded with being crushed like that, and not getting a chance to say goodbye. Also, I'm glad that the show acknowledges the occurrence of 'death' like it's a big deal, talking about therapy and whatnot. I really do like this show.
Oct 26, 2021 4:24 AM
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Things are getting pretty intense now, as expected of best anime of 2021.
Oct 26, 2021 4:43 AM

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This isn't even close to worth it anymore. Waste of a third of a show.

Cheap deaths, slim and moronic plot development, and just as dull as the last few episodes. I'm off at this stop.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Oct 26, 2021 8:42 AM

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It's kind of hard to care about the death of a character when it was completely obvious they were going to die. I was laughing my ass off when Amou was flashing back to all the things she said to him - you know, from all those conversations they had over the three days they knew each other lol.

I don't mind a series having clichés, but it would be nice if it wasn't this paint by numbers.
Oct 26, 2021 11:08 AM

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That Amu scream.. the horrors of war man. This is going to be a turning point in his story you can tell. He truly knows loss now.
Oct 26, 2021 7:15 PM

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4th ep, it's still painful.
that was a lot of fight with a lot of still pictures. we're going flash animation?
this is where I stop until we learn how long the series will be.
it's so goddamn slow I'm expecting at least 24 eps. if so, I'm not watching it to the end.
the mechas are really cool. to the point I want the kits.
the characters are boring, the mc is downright annoying.
the mascots are the opposite of fun.
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Oct 27, 2021 6:33 AM
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4th ep, it's still painful.
that was a lot of fight with a lot of still pictures. we're going flash animation?
this is where I stop until we learn how long the series will be.
it's so goddamn slow I'm expecting at least 24 eps. if so, I'm not watching it to the end.
the mechas are really cool. to the point I want the kits.
the characters are boring, the mc is downright annoying.
the mascots are the opposite of fun.
I recommend watching Gundam Zeta. Haro destiny in that anime is opposite to those mascots.
PS. Mascots are selling targeds for kids, youtubers, and hardcore fans. Characters are boring because they are developing, it's not a Isekai OP character standards.
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I recommend watching Gundam Zeta. Haro destiny in that anime is opposite to those mascots.
PS. Mascots are selling targeds for kids, youtubers, and hardcore fans. Characters are boring because they are developing, it's not a Isekai OP character standards.

we're talking gundam? interestingly it had cap Bright who slapped Amuro and told him to stop being a bitch. that's exactly what this show needs.
kyoukai mascots don't sell anything as of now, because there is no merchandise of them YET.
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powers don't make a character, and it has nothing to do with isekai. the most important thing is to have resolve and a clear goal in mind. it's something most shows lack these days.
you can like this show all you want, there's nothing wrong with that.
I feel it will end up the same way iron blooded orphans did. they present us a very rich world full of storyline opportunities to explore. some amazing mecha designs. then the actual show will focus on the dumb, clueless character and nothing else. never doing anything with all the background it built, nor living up to it's potential. because kyoukai's world would be worth exploring.
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Oct 27, 2021 3:56 PM
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You knew this was coming...this show is ticking off every single box on the list for a generic Mecha plot line.

I figured the poor woman would at least last past the opener.

Oct 28, 2021 3:27 PM

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alshu said:
So the girl with the blues hair actually got red flagged last time?

phantomfandom said:
If Sunrise is gonna play by Gundam's playbook,

This is not Sunrise tho.

you mean 'Sunrise Beyond' and not 'Sunrise'
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Oct 28, 2021 3:28 PM

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Risa got Matilda'd


Got damn this Graham Aker type dude "imagines battle playing and can tell exactly how many robots there were".

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Oct 28, 2021 4:27 PM

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alshu said:
So the girl with the blues hair actually got red flagged last time?


This is not Sunrise tho.

you mean 'Sunrise Beyond' and not 'Sunrise'
?

Well they added "Beyond" for a reason...it's actually the studio previously called Xebec. So they are using the Gundam's playbook...but second hand.
Oct 30, 2021 11:48 AM

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I'm starting to have mixed feelings about this show. On one hand the pace is moving way too fast. From the start of the show, we go from Amou on the run, to helping a farmer, to getting cornered and saved, to the resistance trying to convince him to join, to an ambush from Ghost and Amou’s first real sense of loss, to him going out on his own again. These events need to be rearranged in order, and to be given more time. Because there’s so little time in between these events, we don’t have enough time to fully take in the events to see the development on how things work or characters’ interaction or motivation. And with more time it might have been less obvious that Risa was going to die.

Something else that’s been bugging me is the lack of grit. I was going to bring this up in ep 3, when Gashin showed Amou that picture of the dead people in the street, but there should have been more of that. Without any on screen death, the darker tones feel less impactful, whereas in a show like this, it’s one of those important aspects that makes the conflict seem believable. From the way the show is framed in the opening monologue, Japan was divided and conquered in a territorial war, and there were no casualties to the native population?

I get that this show is made for a younger audience and/or people that don’t like that kind of thing, but I think people of that age range are able to handle at least that level of violence.(On a personal note I was 14 when I first saw Geass, and got through all the brutal moments and the you-know-what scene just fine.) I’m not asking for over the top gore or everyone dying all the time (alah a Tomino anime), but I think more brutality would go a long way in this show’s favor.

On the other hand the action, animation, and mechanical design does not disappoint at all! In a general sense, the Amaims have a good balance of being detailed without being over designed. As well as some being not fully humanoid shaped, and looking more like Battletech robots. I really like the asymmetrical design of Ghost, and the fact that it’s compatible with any Amaim part it finds. I’m looking forward to what’s going to be revealed and how it operates in the coming episodes. The walk cycles in particular are really good. If mundane actions like that are animated this well, then it’s a testament that the people animating them really know what they’re doing. Seeing as this is a Sunrise show and the mechanical designer (Ebikawa Kanetake) worked on Full Metal Panic and Gundam IBO.

The animation stands out even more when compared to the other mecha airing this season. Viewing the other shows of the season thus far has been disappointing. Because even if the CGI isn’t horribly rendered, it still looks out of place and stilted when compared to the 2D images surrounding it. As a result the overall animation quality suffers as a result.
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Sometimes in a mecha anime, tropes can be played straight if they are done very well. For instance, in 3.0 + 1.0, you know Shinji is gonna find a reason to fight because of Rei and the villagers. It's very easy to see. But the execution was done beautifully enough that you accepted it and enjoyed it. Every mecha anime doesn't have Anno telling the writers to redo the story. But Xebec has done great anime in the past. Why is the guy that did the series composition for Build Divers allowed to work here?

I liked the idea of being on the run. The farmer episode was nice and nicely done. They even subverted the tragic death trope I was sure they were going for. Then the show changed to these two episodes. With Ghost being a reskin of the only decent antagonist in Build Divers, this show really should being taking the Persona route and doing their best to make a really solid story to make up for lack of a budget. It's not believable that Amou would convert to the resistance in a week. Or that one death will make him break. And sadly, choosing not to use CGI is not enough to make a show worth watching.

Sunrise Beyond is Xebec, but they are both connected to Sunrise Studios. Sunrise studios did 2 unique shows, Cross Ange and Valvrave the Liberator. They got much higher budgets than this show. But the reason that some mecha fans enjoyed the shows was the different ways that they spun mecha tropes into something different. And that has nothing to do with a budget. I'm not going to say those shows were amazing masterclasses in what mecha anime can be, but they were fun diversions and subversions that had no problem executing basic mecha tropes extremely well.

Honestly, the worst part of this episode was the preview for the next. Who honestly cares about a nobody we spent one episode's time withs family? Do we really need to see atrocity in order for Amou to decide "Terrorism" is his for him? Does he really have to be this pathetic? Is it really too much to ask that the tropes be executed well? Heero going around with a gun begging people to kill him was really dumb. But it was much more interesting that what this show is.

The mecha fights were also lacking. First the MC has named attacks. Then he doesn't. Then he has new weapons that are effective. Until they are not. And the Ghost unit could be well done, if you just choose to explain how overpowered it is over time so we can expect the fight to be tough. Build up is why the Mobile Armor fight from IBO season 2 was so great. It even made that fight in Build Divers with the Ghost replica mecha into a fight worth watching. Not to mention the actual fight here is not that impressive. And made our heroes look like idiots. Before the plot tried to "well actually" the reason that they got their asses handed to them. I'm assuming the Ghost has something to do with the third MC, but that doesn't stop this episode from being poor.

I don't know if I should drop this show or not. You could make the argument that Re:rise made Build Divers retroactively a show worth watching. But I wish I never watched Divers to the end all the same. And we don't even have where's Patrick in this show. I will give this show until the third MC joins to decide if I will drop the show or not. But this show seriously needs to get its shit together.

I never thought I would prefer a mecha anime where the MCs motivation was impressing a girl again, but here we are. Shame shame.
Jan 1, 2022 7:29 AM
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Sure that kind of Ghost AI AMAIM is hardcore especially how it already killed Gashin's father before, but RIP Risa even though she was quite random for us viewer but now Amou is depressed and wants to stop being part of the resistance army :S
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mc and his whims



just ticks me off

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