| Guys, i am not a guy that cares so much about MAL scores, but people that want to start an anime will most likely come to this site. Compared to IMDb, the ratings are so low, even for Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (not even 9,2 anymore). Some friends of mine wanted to start anime and asked me to show the ratings and they said they're to low even for the top 10 ranked anime, and there aren't even 10 animes with a 9+/10. So, just a suggestion, even if I think this will never be added, I would find critique ratings way better. Don't get mad because of my forum please, this is just a suggestion thread, please don't insult or something :) I wanna hear your opinions |
| What's the problem with mean scores being too low? If scores were normalised (as it should be), mean scores would be even lower. |
Nirinbo said: Im very sure that some underrated animes will go on a 9. This is an anime only site and even here animes doesn t have a 9,3+ rating, and there are lots of bots used here to boost/decrease score over some animesWhat's the problem with mean scores being too low? If scores were normalised (as it should be), mean scores would be even lower. |
Nirinbo said: Im very sure that some underrated animes will go on a 9. This is an anime only site and even here animes doesn t have a 9,3+ rating, and there are lots of bots used here to boost/decrease score over some animesWhat's the problem with mean scores being too low? If scores were normalised (as it should be), mean scores would be even lower. |
KaiserHamuel said: New watcher in almost most cases search for the highest rated onesI think the ratings are too high lol. Very few people arte anime on imbd compared to mal therefore the ratings are higher. It’s not rocket science. I personally don’t give toss what some random French ‘film journalist’ thinks. Plus you shouldn’t let ratings alone decide whether you want to watch something. You’ll never find hidden gems that way. |
| lmao. I think the mal scores are higher than it's supposed to be. Even then, higher scores don't always mean the show is better than one with a relatively lower score. To take an example, SW: The Last Jedi. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 90% when I thought the movie was absolute garbage and a disgrace to the og Star Wars trilogy. Ratings don't really matter. It's all subjective. I'd tell your friends to watch whatever piques their interest or just suggest some starter anime handpicked by yourself. |
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| Shawshank redemption, the highest rated movie on IMDb (great movie btw) is at 9.3, not that much higher than mal's highest rated anime. |
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Theo1899 said: 8,98 (lets say 9) to 9,3 is like 0,3 difference, its kinda big lol:))Shawshank redemption, the highest rated movie on IMDb (great movie btw) is at 9.3, not that much higher than mal's highest rated anime. |
SurplusSugar said: Idk if they re high, anyway, i agree in the rest with u:) great to find a grand blue fan!!lmao. I think the mal scores are higher than it's supposed to be. Even then, higher scores don't always mean the show is better than one with a relatively lower score. To take an example, SW: The Last Jedi. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 90% when I thought the movie was absolute garbage and a disgrace to the og Star Wars trilogy. Ratings don't really matter. It's all subjective. I'd tell your friends to watch whatever piques their interest or just suggest some starter anime handpicked by yourself. |
georgemehh1 said: Theo1899 said: 8,98 (lets say 9) to 9,3 is like 0,3 difference, its kinda big lol:))Shawshank redemption, the highest rated movie on IMDb (great movie btw) is at 9.3, not that much higher than mal's highest rated anime. Where did that 8.98 come from? I thought we were comparing the top ratings of MAL and IMDb. |
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KaiserHamuel said: Tbh after i finished naruto (first anime) i watched 4 more, underrated, then i started to watch high rated shows like hxh fmab steins gate, i think the top is a great suggestion, even if not all of them are the bestgeorgemehh1 said: New watcher in almost most cases search for the highest rated ones Well I’m pretty sure I went for the most popular ones first not highest rated. And then just went by what looked interesting. Anyway how high do ratings need to be for someone what to watch something. If it’s over a six then I’m usually down. If everything over a nine and eight then it would decrease the value and legitimacy of the ones that are there making rating things pointless. Also it’s better to have the majority decide rather than the minority regardless of the outcome. |
KaiserHamuel said: U said highest rated movie not tv show. The highest rated movie is a silent voicegeorgemehh1 said: 8,98 (lets say 9) to 9,3 is like 0,3 difference, its kinda big lol:)) The highest rated is 9.17 though not 8.98 |
KaiserHamuel said: I think the ratings are too high lol. Very few people arte anime on imbd compared to mal therefore the ratings are higher. It’s not rocket science. I personally don’t give toss what some random French ‘film journalist’ thinks. Plus you shouldn’t let ratings alone decide whether you want to watch something. You’ll never find hidden gems that way. This is the core problem. People will give more weight to popularity rather than if the person speaking is really qualified to talk about cinema/music/visual arts/anime. Those without the same ability to directly benefit from the cognitive authority of their blind fanboys have to rely more on novelty to be noticed. I almost want to start a thread on this... georgemehh1 said: Guys, i am not a guy that cares so much about MAL scores, but people that want to start an anime will most likely come to this site. Compared to IMDb, the ratings are so low, even for Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (not even 9,2 anymore). Some friends of mine wanted to start anime and asked me to show the ratings and they said they're to low even for the top 10 ranked anime, and there aren't even 10 animes with a 9+/10. So, just a suggestion, even if I think this will never be added, I would find critique ratings way better. Don't get mad because of my forum please, this is just a suggestion thread, please don't insult or something :) I wanna hear your opinions Score are never really set in stone, popularity can shift... I think that someone who is really interested in discovering anime will watch a little of everything, older and newer shows, to get some sense of the medium... |
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KaiserHamuel said: oh I understand, but the highest rated on imdb is planet earth 2 and has 9,5georgemehh1 said: U said highest rated movie not tv show. The highest rated movie is a silent voice ‘not that much higher than mal's highest rated anime’ Not movie |
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| The lower the scores, the lower will be their expectations and less disappointed those newcomers will be when a show didn't live up to its hype. The ones who will eventually realize how pointless general scores and top anime lists are but want to explore anyway, will become the "true fans" of the medium. The rest would exploit their freedom of speech rights on social media via spamming lame opinions. A mere float number won't stay afloat in front of the sheer dedication and open-mindedness of an avid fan or those who want to become one. Plus you have "top reviews" which more likely have given high scores than not, to most of acclaimed shows out there. That should work as per your suggestion, I'd reckon.~ |
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KaiserHamuel said: DYNASTIA said: This is the core problem. People will give more weight to popularity rather than if the person speaking is really qualified to talk about cinema/music/visual arts/anime. Those without the same ability to directly benefit from the cognitive authority of their blind fanboys have to rely more on novelty to be noticed. I almost want to start a thread on this... It’s art. Anyone is qualified to talk about it. That’s the point. Also these critics basically all agree with each other which makes things boring. Except no, everyone's viewpoints doesn't hold the same importance. And if you say otherwise, you'll have to prove it. I know nothing about sculpture, for example, so I wouldn't have anything of substance to say about the medium. How often do you see morons on the internet confusing modern art and contemporary art? Democracy has created the biggest blow to art, making every proletarian novice think that his opinion is worthy of those who have studied the arts and are able to replace works within their historical context, compare them, ect... |
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| Why would anyone only watch anime (or any other medium) based on scores? IMDB only has 5 films rated 9.0 or higher (Shawshank, Godfather I and II, Dark Knight and 12 Angry Men). Would anyone say those are the only 5 films worth watching? Would anyone even say those are the absolute best films ever? MAL has 9 anime with a 9.0 or higher score (FMAB, AoT S3P2 and S4P1, Steins;Gate, a bunch of Gintama, HxH and LotGH) so, comparatively it's even more generous than IMDB. IMDBs top anime is Sen to Chihiro with a 8.6 score (it's the #1 anime, #22 overall). Here on MAL it has an 8.81 score (#26 overall). So it's not a MAL "problem" (I don't even think it is a problem). Personally I think mean scores are usually too high, but that's up to each user to decide how they want to score. I think a bunch of 8s, 7s and 6s should probably be 7s, 6s and 5s. |
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Scordolo said: “The score is too low, i better watch shows ranked higher like breaking bad”Why don't your friends just watch the highest rated anime? |
zepenedo said: The highest rated anime on imdb is still fmab and has 9,1 and then hxh aot dn and idk if there are moreWhy would anyone only watch anime (or any other medium) based on scores? IMDB only has 5 films rated 9.0 or higher (Shawshank, Godfather I and II, Dark Knight and 12 Angry Men). Would anyone say those are the only 5 films worth watching? Would anyone even say those are the absolute best films ever? MAL has 9 anime with a 9.0 or higher score (FMAB, AoT S3P2 and S4P1, Steins;Gate, a bunch of Gintama, HxH and LotGH) so, comparatively it's even more generous than IMDB. IMDBs top anime is Sen to Chihiro with a 8.6 score (it's the #1 anime, #22 overall). Here on MAL it has an 8.81 score (#26 overall). So it's not a MAL "problem" (I don't even think it is a problem). Personally I think mean scores are usually too high, but that's up to each user to decide how they want to score. I think a bunch of 8s, 7s and 6s should probably be 7s, 6s and 5s. |
georgemehh1 said: zepenedo said: The highest rated anime on imdb is still fmab and has 9,1 and then hxh aot dn and idk if there are moreWhy would anyone only watch anime (or any other medium) based on scores? IMDB only has 5 films rated 9.0 or higher (Shawshank, Godfather I and II, Dark Knight and 12 Angry Men). Would anyone say those are the only 5 films worth watching? Would anyone even say those are the absolute best films ever? MAL has 9 anime with a 9.0 or higher score (FMAB, AoT S3P2 and S4P1, Steins;Gate, a bunch of Gintama, HxH and LotGH) so, comparatively it's even more generous than IMDB. IMDBs top anime is Sen to Chihiro with a 8.6 score (it's the #1 anime, #22 overall). Here on MAL it has an 8.81 score (#26 overall). So it's not a MAL "problem" (I don't even think it is a problem). Personally I think mean scores are usually too high, but that's up to each user to decide how they want to score. I think a bunch of 8s, 7s and 6s should probably be 7s, 6s and 5s. Sorry, you're right, I didn't take IMDBs top tv shows into account, I only looked at the top 250 list, which is only films. Still, IMDB has 27 shows rated 9.0 or higher. Out of those, 14 are documentary shows (which are a whole other category that MAL doesn't have access to, so let's exclude those) and 4 are animated shows. Then there's Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad, Chernobyl, Game of Thrones, The Sopranos, Sherlock and the Twilight Zone. Let's break it down: - Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos seem to have been able to stand the test of time, they were classics as soon as they came out; - Game of Thrones has zero rewatch value after the dumpster fire that was the last season, so its score will eventually drop below 9, especially once the VFX start to age badly; - Chernobyl is a mini-series (amazing by the way), 6 great episodes but that's it; - Twilight Zone is fine, but it's an anthology show (the best episodes are probably 10s or 9s, but the lesser episodes are easily 3s and 4s, people seem to score it based only on the best episodes, which is not fair); - I like Sherlock, but I really doubt it's score will remain above 9 for long. So basically there's only 3 shows who are really solid 9s on IMDB. You can add the 4 animated shows and you still only have 7 overall. Even if you add Chernobyl and the Twilight Zone, you still only have 9. Considering that IMDB has live-action, animation, documentary, student short films and everything everyone has ever shot and MAL only has Japanese animation, I'd say MAL's scores are quite fair in comparison. |
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zepenedo said: hmm, u got a point but if u look up on the top 250 u will se its not updated, there are more than 40 shows with 9+ but i agree with the rest of ur argumentgeorgemehh1 said: The highest rated anime on imdb is still fmab and has 9,1 and then hxh aot dn and idk if there are more Sorry, you're right, I didn't take IMDBs top tv shows into account, I only looked at the top 250 list, which is only films. Still, IMDB has 27 shows rated 9.0 or higher. Out of those, 14 are documentary shows (which are a whole other category that MAL doesn't have access to, so let's exclude those) and 4 are animated shows. Then there's Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad, Chernobyl, Game of Thrones, The Sopranos, Sherlock and the Twilight Zone. Let's break it down: - Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos seem to have been able to stand the test of time, they were classics as soon as they came out; - Game of Thrones has zero rewatch value after the dumpster fire that was the last season, so its score will eventually drop below 9, especially once the VFX start to age badly; - Chernobyl is a mini-series (amazing by the way), 6 great episodes but that's it; - Twilight Zone is fine, but it's an anthology show (the best episodes are probably 10s or 9s, but the lesser episodes are easily 3s and 4s, people seem to score it based only on the best episodes, which is not fair); - I like Sherlock, but I really doubt it's score will remain above 9 for long. So basically there's only 3 shows who are really solid 9s on IMDB. You can add the 4 animated shows and you still only have 7 overall. Even if you add Chernobyl and the Twilight Zone, you still only have 9. Considering that IMDB has live-action, animation, documentary, student short films and everything everyone has ever shot and MAL only has Japanese animation, I'd say MAL's scores are quite fair in comparison. |
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georgemehh1 said: Scordolo said: “The score is too low, i better watch shows ranked higher like breaking bad”Why don't your friends just watch the highest rated anime? Lmao.It literally seems like your friends are just making an excuse to not watch anime. georgemehh1 said: zepenedo said: hmm, u got a point but if u look up on the top 250 u will se its not updated, there are more than 40 shows with 9+ but i agree with the rest of ur argumentSorry, you're right, I didn't take IMDBs top tv shows into account, I only looked at the top 250 list, which is only films. Still, IMDB has 27 shows rated 9.0 or higher. Out of those, 14 are documentary shows (which are a whole other category that MAL doesn't have access to, so let's exclude those) and 4 are animated shows. Then there's Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad, Chernobyl, Game of Thrones, The Sopranos, Sherlock and the Twilight Zone. Let's break it down: - Band of Brothers, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos seem to have been able to stand the test of time, they were classics as soon as they came out; - Game of Thrones has zero rewatch value after the dumpster fire that was the last season, so its score will eventually drop below 9, especially once the VFX start to age badly; - Chernobyl is a mini-series (amazing by the way), 6 great episodes but that's it; - Twilight Zone is fine, but it's an anthology show (the best episodes are probably 10s or 9s, but the lesser episodes are easily 3s and 4s, people seem to score it based only on the best episodes, which is not fair); - I like Sherlock, but I really doubt it's score will remain above 9 for long. So basically there's only 3 shows who are really solid 9s on IMDB. You can add the 4 animated shows and you still only have 7 overall. Even if you add Chernobyl and the Twilight Zone, you still only have 9. Considering that IMDB has live-action, animation, documentary, student short films and everything everyone has ever shot and MAL only has Japanese animation, I'd say MAL's scores are quite fair in comparison. Imdb is not reliable.The rating system is pointless if there are 40+ shows are above 9.I mean,not that the ratings here are reliable either but the ratings here are far better than on Imdb. |
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Scordolo said: Yeah u are right ://// only some of them startedgeorgemehh1 said: “The score is too low, i better watch shows ranked higher like breaking bad” Lmao.It literally seems like your friends are just making an excuse to not watch anime. |
| At the rate it's going, there's gonna be less and less series with a rating of 9+ and it's a bit sad but there's nothing that can be done about it |
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ManWild said: yeah only fmab will have a 9 :))) or fmab and steins gateAt the rate it's going, there's gonna be less and less series with a rating of 9+ and it's a bit sad but there's nothing that can be done about it |
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Chandela said: imdb is a tracking site just like mal where there are animes, cartoons, movies, real tv shows, everything. overall is more used than mal because it has every show, but idk how many votes are ffor the animesIf you're going to compare site scores to each other you need to keep in mind the amount of people actively scoring these shows. I don't know about IMDb but I imagine MAL has had more frequent users for a longer period of time which in turn affects the shows. That versus people who go out of their way to score on IMDb and don't regularly participate there. I am just speculating tho. (Do people hang on IMDb? I have zero clue what that would look like). But anyway, so saying "they're too low even for the top 10 ranked anime" is a relative notion. One where they may not be considering all the variables. |
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