cipheron said: BilboBaggins365 said: I mean that series is hardly a good comparison here plus shojo manga is like that too. Take Say I Love You hot guy who literally has the opportunity to be a model takes an interest in this ordinary girl compared to even his past more romance fashionable interest that in most instances they would go for. This is a really good point. There sheer slew of reverse harems, otome and shoujo. It's always some clumsy girl gets one, two or more super hot rich guys fighting over her affections for no explicable reasons. Occam's razor here. Incels are nothing to do with anime. I murdered the grammar in that statement lol maybe I should just take a break. Though yeah I will add even in some of the cases here like Shield Hero Naofumi is actually a pretty attractive guy so it's not always a generic looking MC to self insert into. If you ever get into YA lit targeted towards girls you tend to hear similar complaints to isekai/harem titles targeted to guys. It's about the same kind of writing really. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 22, 2021 9:52 PM
smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? First off, the protag in bunny girl senpai did not have more depth than co-protag, Mai. Shield bro did not have more depth than co-protag, Raphtalia. Are Shield Bro and Bunny Girl "male power fantasies"? No. Shield Bro is a bitch, his victories are moral and not related to power. Morality cannot be related to power. Those most moral have died the most pyrrhic victories throughout history: Joan of Arc, Socrates, Jesus Christ. LOL, do you know any history at all? You need to watch the movie A Man for All Seasons (1966). Morality is not a fucking power fantasy. An incel bait anime is more like...the Trump administration, or the Bolsinaro administration, or Brexit, or voting for Putin, or voting for Xi Jinping or One Child Policy bros because men are stronger than girls (thus creating a manly paradise of men). Shield Bro and Bunny Girl are not incel bait. To even call them Otaku bait...well, Shield Bro is a little, but if you don't like guys then I guess it will be useless for you. If you don't like normie marriage heterosexual pairings as over 80% of the population does, then I don't know what to say to you. Even SAO's protag does not have more depth than his girlfriend/game wife. Do you think wives are cuckolds? You're taking this extremely far. One person in the pairing is masculine, the other feminine. Let's not confuse power dynamics with natural testosterone vs estrogen biology. Honestly OP, you're having like a twitter crisis right now and talking straight out of misguided feminism. I feel sorry for your miasma of confusion. How is a classic, heterosexual relationship pairing a male power fantasy? In what world is that true? The man takes the woman sexually eventually through consent and the woman gives the man responsibility and stability. The woman gains the same. This is called parenting. What on earth are we talking about? Straightness is inceldom now? A guy likes women so he's an incel? Normies are incels? I don't think you know what incel means, you got your lingo mixed up. These shows are cheered for being harems with balanced power dynamics. I don't know what more you want. 90s harems were like Tenchi, just a shade of beige surrounded by beautiful woman with all the relationship power and acting more like the masculine man. Bunny Girl is a consenting hetero relationship. Same for Shield Bro and SAO. You confused, OP. |
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smallasiangirl said: The equivalent content for female fetish fantasies exists as well, yet given their lower market share less of it. E.g. Diabolik Lovers or Shin Shirayuki-hime Densetsu Prétear and similar reverse harem shows. Why do those shows exist? Because there is a market for them. That simple.I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. |
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| It shouldn't be that hard to understand why a female would lack the required understanding of a male power fantasy. Like how I find reverse harem absolutely unappealing. Stop trying to gaslight incels into giving e-girls their money instead of hard working incel bait productions. They have it hard enough as it is and should buy sex dolls and give me their money instead. |
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| I feel like incel is used so liberally at this point that I kind of just want to start treating it the same as when I start seeing people toss around cuck or SJW as a pejorative label, which is pretty much putting them in the "yeah just shut up and fuck off, you're not worth the thought" mental category Even in cases where the label seems like it's fair, like with Redo of Healer's concept/framing of the rape, it just becomes hard to take seriously anymore whenever you're going to get accused of inceldom in one way or another by some fucking looney if you just like anime tits Just bleh, what's the point? If somebody's first reaction is to start tossing incel around why shouldn't I just bin them by association due to being so eager and willing to toss it around as a pejorative like that? |
ManabanJan 23, 2021 1:49 AM
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cipheron said: Manaban said: I feel like incel is used so liberally at this point that I kind of just want to start treating it the same as when I start seeing people toss around cuck or SJW as a pejorative label, which is pretty much putting them in the "yeah just shut up and fuck off, you're not worth the thought" mental category Even in cases where the label seems like it's fair, like with Redo of Healer's concept/framing of the rape, it just becomes hard to take seriously anymore whenever you're going to get accused of inceldom in one way or another by some fucking looney if you just like anime tits Just bleh, what's the point? If somebody's first reaction is to start tossing incel around why shouldn't I just bin them by association due to being so eager and willing to toss it around as a pejorative like that? I'm not even sure what to think. For a start, the OP has Ishuzoku Reviewers in their frikken favorites. Now, while i couldn't care less what shows people have in their favorites, that becomes a more questionable decision when that same persom is mass-labeling people who saw shows as diverse as SAO and Bunny Senpai as being "incels". I mean OP is literally followed up their thread posts with 4 posts just directly attacking people for liking harems and stuff in pretty nasty ways, so it's kind of obvious they just want to provoke, OP isn't relevant to my weltschmertz here, kind of an obvious troll thread Just outside of OP, it feels so ubiquitous now that I feel like the only way I can avoid being labeled as an incel and getting associated with that type of shit is literally just not like the type of shit I like anymore, which, in turn, makes it feels more like just trying to bully/mock people at a certain point whenever they probably don't have anything to do with incels in the first place, just grouping whoever you can in there so you can justify treating them like shit for no reason Annoying as shit and a cowardly as fuck tactic to use against people you're knowingly catching in the crossfire really |
ManabanJan 23, 2021 2:12 AM
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Manaban said: That's how the owrld is now sadly yes.I feel like incel is used so liberally at this point that I kind of just want to start treating it the same as when I start seeing people toss around cuck or SJW as a pejorative label, which is pretty much putting them in the "yeah just shut up and fuck off, you're not worth the thought" mental category Even in cases where the label seems like it's fair, like with Redo of Healer's concept/framing of the rape, it just becomes hard to take seriously anymore whenever you're going to get accused of inceldom in one way or another by some fucking looney if you just like anime tits Just bleh, what's the point? If somebody's first reaction is to start tossing incel around why shouldn't I just bin them by association due to being so eager and willing to toss it around as a pejorative like that? "ok boomer" "ok incel" "ok simp" "ok nazi" "ok sjw" "ok <insert whatever pejorative label here>" |
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Nefelupitou said: The boy from Bunny Girl isn't an incel, he's the Chad. I mean, Mai is one of the hottest anime girl out there and she's his bitch. Beat me to it. Also this thread is biased. You know what is the counterpart that women flock to instead of smallasiangirl said: take the time to really understand women instead of relying on fantasies. Those are chick flicks, K-dramas, the list goes on. Don't be a misandrist. Everybody is an escapist to varying degrees |
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catefr said: sighhhhhhhh, i guess im an incel now Rather a Incel knowing the difference between fantasy and reality while enjoying something and letting other people enjoy what they want. Than being condescending, combative, simple minded and letting others think for you. |
Manaban said: cipheron said: I'm not even sure what to think. For a start, the OP has Ishuzoku Reviewers in their frikken favorites. Now, while i couldn't care less what shows people have in their favorites, that becomes a more questionable decision when that same persom is mass-labeling people who saw shows as diverse as SAO and Bunny Senpai as being "incels". I mean OP is literally followed up their thread posts with 4 posts just directly attacking people for liking harems and stuff in pretty nasty ways, so it's kind of obvious they just want to provoke, OP isn't relevant to my weltschmertz here, kind of an obvious troll thread Just outside of OP, it feels so ubiquitous now that I feel like the only way I can avoid being labeled as an incel and getting associated with that type of shit is literally just not like the type of shit I like anymore, which, in turn, makes it feels more like just trying to bully/mock people at a certain point whenever they probably don't have anything to do with incels in the first place, just grouping whoever you can in there so you can justify treating them like shit for no reason Annoying as shit and a cowardly as fuck tactic to use against people you're knowingly catching in the crossfire really I would really like see you try finding messages of me being "nasty" :). I'd say I was being very polite with @doshiteKAMISAMA and @Davidh39 |
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danstrummer said: Nefelupitou said: The boy from Bunny Girl isn't an incel, he's the Chad. I mean, Mai is one of the hottest anime girl out there and she's his bitch. You mean the friendless, sex pervert who unironically says cringe and creepy sexual remarks? In all seriousness, I really disliked that anime. The premise of a creepy social reject going around solving problems for a bunch of waifus practically screamed wish-fulfilment power fantasy. wait! hold on a second, ive never seen a guy like sakuta because like hes so diff than other romance drama that i watch like isnt that what u want from mc in romance genre . idk wym by friendless if u watch it he got 2 bf and that enough for him. i mean, thats normal for boy to a pervert but hes not that pervert. |
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smallasiangirl said: I would really like see you try finding messages of me being "nasty" :). I'd say I was being very polite with @doshiteKAMISAMA and @Davidh39 I mean, y'know. smallasiangirl said: That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. smallasiangirl said: I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. smallasiangirl said: Yeah, I can get behind dudes with genuine social anxiety or maybe even depression finding comfort in these kinds of anime. I'm also referring to just Western anime fans since factoring in Japanese culture would probably be another topic entirely. You immediately went in on it being a result of some kind of mental or social deficit. I don't think anybody is tone deaf enough to where they won't see how that's kind of fucking insulting. And you don't even own up to it, you just go "I'm trying to look for a new perspective :)))))" like that's going to change that you basically started off using this thread to be as insulting and demeaning as possible. You can't veil hostile, insulting shit behind nice words and have convince people you have well intentions. But that's not even my biggest issue. I see that and I don't think you put forth the thought or effort in trying to understand the people you're making this thread about, because you immediately ran with insults and pejoratives as soon as this thread got off the ground. Like, you went straight lifestyle and mental health accusations, as if that's the only obvious conclusion there is. And it really isn't if you'd be willing to try to think about this type of thing on your own - it's just a goddamn appeal to a type of fantasy, like pretty much every other form of escapist media. Not everything being different from what you like or understand is a result of a social or mental deficit. That's just having basic social common sense, because when you're met with some kind of difference you don't understand in real life you don't immediately resort to publicly accusing the other party of just having mental or social deficits. I mean, you *can* but I'd like to see you do something like that at a job and see how well your co-workers take it and how long you're welcome in that workspace, or say stuff like that to your friends if you run into problems like this with them and see how long you hold onto their friendship, so on and so forth. And if I'm not convinced that you didn't even put forth any thought or effort on the topic on your own, and I see you immediately dart to these types of accusations and labels, why am I going to believe that you're approaching making this thread with any kind of good faith like you have been claiming you are throughout? Why wouldn't I believe that you just didn't want to have a proxy to put other people down because you think they're weird or don't approve of a show they like? Which, hell, I won't stop you, but I'll sure as fuck get annoyed if you end up targeting a group I fall into a bunch indirectly, i.e. the heavy implication that people like me are incels for liking harem shows. Like it or not, I'm not a fucking incel, I don't hate women, I'm not socially awkward, I'm not sexually frustrated, and I'm not depressed. I do fuckin' have fantasies and I like media that can indulge in said fantasies. And just because I enjoy media that can do that doesn't suddenly mean my perception of reality is so utterly fucking warped that I expect a real relationship to play out like a fucking harem anime, or that I'd demand it to, so on and so forth, because it doesn't need to and *I* don't need it to, for that matter. The fact that I even have to sit here and say that so often - *because* of warped ideas that people like you seem to thoughtlessly bite into rather than anything on my end - is fucking demeaning in of itself. It's dehumanizing as *fuck* because it projects an infantile social understanding onto me over something incredibly trite and superficial, but what do I expect from somebody who's immediate response to shit like this is to assume that the problem has to have some extreme mental/social disorder or be an incel? Why would I expect basic human consideration from *that*? Because that's also incredibly thoughtless and dehumanizing, so it just fits with the general M.O. of people who come onto the forum and say shit like this. And, unlike a character who's objectified, which is an abstract representation of a fucking fantasy in this context, I am a real fucking person. What I *am* is someone who is fucking tired of having that type of accusation implicitly levied at me constantly with no real basis other than I like shit like harem anime. It's goddamn true that fiction can influence somebody's perception of reality, but if your understanding of how humans interact with escapist fiction is so fucking unnuanced, then just go sit in the same corner as with the people who wrote shit like Mazes and Monsters back in the '80s because that's about the level of rationality you're at on the topic. So yeah, I'm going to say that you acted nasty. You seem like a nasty, myopic person. Because that is the type of coy, fake bullshit a nasty, myopic person would pull. Well, more realistically, I'd just say you seem like an outright shitposter wanting to provoke a reaction from someone like me, but w/e, that's on me I guess. I bit the bait. And fuck it anyway, nobody's going to lose sleep over me biting the bait to rant. By the way, I am indeed single and I haven't been in a relationship for years, so 0 bitches and haven't touched a woman in a while. I will cede that, and I probably won't be in one for a few more years, certainly not while I'm still making an entry-level salary. I can say all of that confidently because my entire life doesn't fucking revolve around whether or not I'm getting pussy. I have other shit to worry about that's more important than whether or not I'm dating anyone right now, and also because *I* am more than that. Like, me, the person. Like it or not, a man's world doesn't necessarily revolve around women no more than a woman's world necessarily revolves around men. It's a two way fucking street in that regard, even if people like you never seem to fucking grasp that. |
ManabanJan 23, 2021 5:04 AM
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smallasiangirl said: onceexisted said: I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. Theo1899 said: I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. Have to be dumbest shit I've ever read. How does anime genre you like relates to your real life sexual encounters? Believe me or not but people don't just fit in ''incel'' and ''chad'' categories, hop off the internet and enjoy some real life because now you actually sound/seem like a femcel who don't get any good dick so you project by creating these threads lol |
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| I've honestly never met anyone who watches anime for self-insert and every time I hear about self-inserters I kinda cringe on the inside. I watch Isekai because I have hope in the category despite its bad reputation and for Rent-A-Girlfriend I just love romance anime and also I like to see how well authors can portray people in their work. |
| All these shows are literally the same fucking thing every time >Protagonist is a dude who thinks he's smarter than everyone else >Everyone is mean to him or stupid, especially other male characters >Tiny veiled harem >Started as a Web Novel when the author was in high school >Poorly written revenge porn where the stupid and mean characters learn the protagonist(Aka the author)'s true worth >Bonus: It's a fantasy isekai that operates under game logic for no reason and the author's gamer skills are finally relevant It this was 20 years ago you would probably find them in the Japanese equivalent of fanfiction.net kek they are basically mary sue self insert fanfiction, the quality of the writing is about the same. |
Jin_uzukiJan 23, 2021 7:12 AM
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| OP is just triggering people with her comments and everyone is taking the bait, just ignore her. |
| I'm not an incel though, I literally liked Shied Hero's story For other ones, SAO is shit |
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| out of the shows you listed the only one i enjoy is bunny senpai, only since it's way more focused on the romance rather than the bullshit harem. harems should die out not just because they have bad female characters but because they're butt ass boring |
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manelist1 said: OP is just triggering people with her comments and everyone is taking the bait, just ignore her. I mentioned this earlier in thread, no one seemed to realize it. OP's list is full of some really rough hentai scored with 6's and 7's, too, along with reverse harems. I'm surprised this thread is still open since it's obvious bait. |
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| How are sao, bunny girl senpai, and rent a girl friend incel bait???? And the shield hero stuff is rather cliche but i mean this is what happens when someone is charged under a false charge because of a lie. |
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| its all wish fulfillment bs I'm tired of the cliche of all these girls so easily falling for the same old generic looking MC with generic personality |
Tropisch said: manelist1 said: OP is just triggering people with her comments and everyone is taking the bait, just ignore her. I mentioned this earlier in thread, no one seemed to realize it. OP's list is full of some really rough hentai scored with 6's and 7's, too, along with reverse harems. I'm surprised this thread is still open since it's obvious bait. The way she tries to downgrade the people while at the same time being "polite" gives her away. I have just seen her list. lmao you are right |
smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. How exactly is Shield Hero, SAO, or Bunny Senpai 'incel' bait anime? Rent a Girlfriend can be considered 'incel' but the term is rather meaningless as the vast majority of people watching and even aren't 'incels'. smallasiangirl said: I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. Not everything has to be relatable. One can enjoy an action movie involving gangs and drug lords just fine, or play as the opposite gender in video games without being transgender, etc. smallasiangirl said: If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? Several factors; the plot premise, the soundtracks, the character nuances, how scenes are portrayed for maximum emotional impact, etc. |
OpticflashJan 23, 2021 10:52 AM
| Oh this is the thread where an small asian girl discoreved that among weeb community there are lots of incels who like harem power fantasy. But her mind was still too small to realize that the same incels like shounen, slice of life, terror, comedy as much they like that type, what make the automatic relation pointless. And sure lots of users without relationship issues also like that genre, like myself. Btw, my wife likes that bishounen shoujo genre and i can't call her the female version of a delusional fat incel. After all, has the OC learnt anything? |
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| I didn't know there was a whole genre for incel-bait anime. Mal should get on that then. But on a serious note this makes as much sense as the right leaning dudes who use anime in memes. It's a coincidence that those kinds of people like those shows but that doesn't mean it's specifically made for them. |
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| arent these just harems though? like sure, theyre weird male power fantasy things and probably would appeal to incels in some small degree, but they arent specifically incel bait i would argue. |
| Having watched SAO, RaG and BGS, to varrying degrees of enjoyment, here's why I like all of them: SAO: I don't necessarily like it for the harem, Sinon, Asuna and Alice are cute, but all the others can be deleted, I wouldn't care (ok keep Ronie and Tiese because they're precious). I (and many others can relate to this I think) like it more for the story, the whole concept of being trapped in a virtual world (even if that concept doesn't last) is super interesting, and at the time, it was new. The harem isn't exactly the main focus of the show for me, I don't often let it take over my enjoyment. I don't really see how it's "incel bait", it's a starter anime, so it's bound to have a few tropes. Rental GF: Got into this since a few buddies were talking about it, and I can definitely see how it can be incel bait. However, from what i've seen, most people tend to hate the male MC, and prefer the waifus, most being Chizuru simps, and those guys did indeed get baited, she's literally a rental girlfriend. BGS: I don't see how this one is incel bait at all. It's a more psychological show that has romance elements. |
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smallasiangirl said: 2077 said: they like to self-insert as the mc who has a harem and girls all over him but irl theyre just neckbeards who are 300 pounds and live in their moms basement That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. You don't have to be an incel to watch these shows, for instance, i'm a shredded dude with a girlfriend and a pretty good social life but i still enjoy them. They most certainly are not my favorites by any means but still, sometimes you just wanna watch some good synergy between characters that go further and develops into relationships. But yeah, 2 out of the 4 shows are garbage so i can understand where you're coming from. |
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smallasiangirl said: I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? Edit: Please read my list before making any assumptions. I have stated that this thread is meant to challenge my preconceived notions, big thanks to those who bothered answering the question. I am not reading 5 pages to see if anyone actually bothered to meet you on your level here, and I've only actually seen one of the above shows, but I wonder if you genuinely don't see any other selling points to these series except male wish-fulfillment? I thought Bunny Girl was witty, had fun characters, and loved some of the twists, especially in the movie. It hadn't even occurred to me the series was incel-bait until going on MAL and seeing people have an aneurism. I haven't seen this one, but my ex-girlfriend loved SAO for its world and characters, and its my understanding talking to some other weebs that it's also the series that brought to life the "trapped in a video game" setting for a new generation. There are other selling points to these series, even if they don't sell you specifically, or even if you feel it does those things badly, besides the wish-fulfillment element. And finally, why is wish-fulfillment inherently bad? Yeah, it's unrealistic, but many genres of media are precipitated on that notion of escapism. For decades kids have fallen for series like The Lord of the Rings or Narnia for being fantasy wish-fulfillment, letting us be whisked away into mythical otherworlds rich with beauty, heroics, and adventure. |
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