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DeskLamp said: Peaceful_Critic said: Why not? If it is all nonsense then why don't you debunk it? Saying: "you should step away from anime" and leaving it there wouldn't do anything. Because if you lack an argument, no way would he listen to you and actually step away from his passion. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't either. A better argument might be how much other people having opinions on the internet bothers OP. I think most anime is trash but occasionally watch a few series every year. I guess I'm haram. I am a firm believer in keeping the internet the same as the one I grew up with. As an arena of ideas and discussions even if it occasionally gets out of hand. We can go back and forth on this. "You're bothered by my opinion." "No you're the one who's bothered by my opinion." But I suspect that both of us would consider that a waste of effort. I made a thread to bring attention to my own opinion, that's all there is to it. So let's stick with the original arguments. |
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Ryuk9428 said: The difference between CGI and hand-drawn is very very subtle and I think most of the time people complaining about this are just looking for something to complain about rather than CGI actually impacting their viewing experience that much. So unless you want them to wait another 3-6 months to release an anime, stop complaining about CGI. It's not subtle at all in most cases. Even shows that do have instances where the CGI is integrated well there'll be a dozen other scenes where it looks too obvious and ugly. Even Demon Slayer where everyone sucks off the visuals, there were enough times where the CGI was simply ugly. OTOH there are people who think a few moments of sakuga make up for the whole show's visuals, like in AoT. Sorry but the last season looked ass, both the 2D and 3D. However, I've accepted it and won't let it detract from my enjoyment, so I agree that putting a heavy emphasis on it in complaints just comes across as whining for the sake of it. It's just something you'll have to accept, especially in shows with large scale battles with big objects and robots and monsters. Waiting another 3-6 months are also 3-6 months of salaries to be paid, and that's unrealistic. It definitely is ugly and obvious in most anime though. In the end it is a compromise that imo, brings a lot to the table. Just think of the dynamic action scenes in AoT, it looks fucking sick. Ryuk9428 said: 90% of the time I see people complaining about erotic fanservice, its just virtue signallers who seem to be complaining that [gasp] men like seeing girls' legs, butts, and boobs and anime writers dare to cater to that desire. I feel like this is just overreacting to SJW types. They are a minority in the anime community and get quickly shut down. In my experience most ''erotic'' fanservice is just repetitive. People complain about the dumb cliches that come with. A lot of it is more comedic than erotic, and the cliche gags break a lot of people's immersion. It doesn't feel earned and comes off as pandering. No one complains when the sexual side of an anime is actually realized through relationships characters have, or if it fits thematically. Rarely do people say "OMG why does the camera go there and why is it framed like that men are such pigs!''. What I think anime fans should stop complaining about is Netflix... literally the only thing that's understandable to hate is that they don't drop episodes weekly outside of JP. The rest is always incomprehensible misinformed garbage. |
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| No, anime fans need to stop whining about GOOD CGI. Blending it well with 2D or being full CG still get shit when they don't deserve it. |
| all i agree, except CGI anime is made from hand drawing instead of CGI, if the anime is original (not an adaptation of manga or LN) I won't complain about that. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Hokage_Jason said: Why not?Naw I’m not “weeb hating”, and having passion for things is great but anime shouldn’t be your biggest passion as a consumer. I’m telling him he should step away from anime for his own good. The shit he’s saying is mostly nonsense and the few logical parts are blown out of proportion, then you look at his favorites and see shit like kiss x sis. He has a delusional view of Japan created by anime that pander to lonely males. I mean it’s not really my problem/concern I’m just genuinely trying to get him to take a step back and look at himself for his own good. I don’t care if some triggered anime fappers think I’m a dick for being honest with people when they need to step back into reality. If it is all nonsense then why don't you debunk it? Saying: "you should step away from anime" and leaving it there wouldn't do anything. Because if you lack an argument, no way would he listen to you and actually step away from his passion. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't either. Sorry but I couldn’t tell exactly what you were asking with the first “why not?” As for why I’m not debunking his argument, pretty much the same reason I wouldn’t argue with a “flat earther”, people who give absurd arguments typically arnt going to listen to reason and are more concerned with protecting their belief/ideal. It doesn’t matter what I say to him, link him, etc., he’s going to (most likely) keep believing Japan is a big anime playground where all girls talk in a grade school voice and follow you around calling you senpai because that’s what he wants it to be. He made a thread whining about how other people shouldn’t whine about things he likes in anime. He wrote a huge thread on his opinion about how other people shouldn’t voice their opinions No matter how you word it, it’s hypocritical and self centered, and shows how desperately he wants to preserve the ecchi/moe/kawaii beliefs he has of Japan. In short, he’s given me all I need to believe he’s narrow minded and will cling to his view of Japan because it panders to his fetishes/interests, and no amount of debate will change his mind, and even if it could, I don’t care about him enough to invest my time. I informed him of his unhealthy mindset and left it at that, because it’s all I really care to do. If you’re asking, yes, I will provide plenty of information detailing how unlike anime Japan is, how disgusting a LOT of locals view the medium, and how rediculous some of the things he’s trying to say is, but I think you already understand that. Youre asking why I’m being impolite and not approaching the “debate” differently, not why I think Japan isn’t the kawaii fantasy this dude is painting it as, correct? |
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| I agree with most of the points except the fanservice one, keep in mind that a lot of people who complain about it don't come from a place where they think sexual themes are always bad, cause no one thinks that. People complain about how an anime could shove tits and ass up your screen for no goddamn reason other than to excite you, even when it got nothing to do with the show or the scene itself Best example of fanservice done right I can think of is space dandy, where you could have scenes that literally focus on nothing but tits, but it makes sense considering what kind of guy dandy is. And it makes even more sense to have fanservice in the scene considering how necessary it is to convey the theme Basically, if your fanservice can be removed from the scene without changing anything other than making it less awkward, then its the bad kind of fanservice |
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yotamdin said: A bad example of fanservice is Code Geass, where things are getting serious but we have to look at: I agree with most of the points except the fanservice one, keep in mind that a lot of people who complain about it don't come from a place where they think sexual themes are always bad, cause no one thinks that. People complain about how an anime could shove tits and ass up your screen for no goddamn reason other than to excite you, even when it got nothing to do with the show or the scene itself Best example of fanservice done right I can think of is space dandy, where you could have scenes that literally focus on nothing but tits, but it makes sense considering what kind of guy dandy is. And it makes even more sense to have fanservice in the scene considering how necessary it is to convey the theme Basically, if your fanservice can be removed from the scene without changing anything other than making it less awkward, then its the bad kind of fanservice https://external-preview.redd.it/BHyu33ceIUsoSsOH-1fAMDnCMT9Qnoy6jhSrBbCdBw0.png?auto=webp&s=d38e5f821586325f82e03731de5141aa0d25a15d https://www.darkmirage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/06_codegeass_ep01t.jpg https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kallen_dat_ass.jpg lol |
Mayuka said: this is so true I feel like these kind of scenes just break what was supposed to be a serious situation and put this unfitting thing that makes it look like a joke, as good as code Geass is these shots can get annoyingyotamdin said: A bad example of fanservice is Code Geass, where things are getting serious but we have to look at: I agree with most of the points except the fanservice one, keep in mind that a lot of people who complain about it don't come from a place where they think sexual themes are always bad, cause no one thinks that. People complain about how an anime could shove tits and ass up your screen for no goddamn reason other than to excite you, even when it got nothing to do with the show or the scene itself Best example of fanservice done right I can think of is space dandy, where you could have scenes that literally focus on nothing but tits, but it makes sense considering what kind of guy dandy is. And it makes even more sense to have fanservice in the scene considering how necessary it is to convey the theme Basically, if your fanservice can be removed from the scene without changing anything other than making it less awkward, then its the bad kind of fanservice https://external-preview.redd.it/BHyu33ceIUsoSsOH-1fAMDnCMT9Qnoy6jhSrBbCdBw0.png?auto=webp&s=d38e5f821586325f82e03731de5141aa0d25a15d https://www.darkmirage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/06_codegeass_ep01t.jpg https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kallen_dat_ass.jpg lol |
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yotamdin said: honestly like... if people wanna jack off, just go watch porn or hentai or read a doujin. seeing her ass in the middle of a mecha fight isn't gonna make ppl hard lolMayuka said: this is so true I feel like these kind of scenes just break what was supposed to be a serious situation and put this unfitting thing that makes it look like a joke, as good as code Geass is these shots can get annoyingA bad example of fanservice is Code Geass, where things are getting serious but we have to look at: https://external-preview.redd.it/BHyu33ceIUsoSsOH-1fAMDnCMT9Qnoy6jhSrBbCdBw0.png?auto=webp&s=d38e5f821586325f82e03731de5141aa0d25a15d https://www.darkmirage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/06_codegeass_ep01t.jpg https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kallen_dat_ass.jpg lol |
| Nah I would still hate CGI and School Days. I mean if the anime has good CGI like Beastars, I've no problem. But if the anime has Berserk CGI, then I'll certainly have problems. Don't ask about School Days. I don't even wanna talk about that. I still wonder if I should've given it a 1/10 instead of a 2/10. Just everything except the animation was horrible. The mediocre animation just saved it from that 1/10. Missaliensan said: Absolutely agree.It´s insane the amount of people that complain about "wimpy" protagonists,since all they want is a badass mc that never flinches to any dangerous situation.Of course people hate crybabies,but i feel like badass,overpowered mcs are overrated as well in that regard.I´m pretty sure most people would be in a fit of panic if they were thrown into situations like that so give these characters a break,they are reacting like a normal human would. I think that any main character should be a perfect combination of wimpy and badass. Excess of either is just annoying. The original Kirito (not talking about Progressive) is annoying. Yuki from Future Diary is even more annoying. The perfect combination would be Kaneki from the Tokyo Ghoul manga (anime version is even more annoying than Yuki). |
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| stop whining about other peoples opinions and accept them if someone doesnt like fanservice so be it, its distracting when put in a serious scene cgi can be incredibly jarring unless done correctly the whole kawaii thing can get incredibly annoying incredibly quickly people are entitled to their own opinions so why should they stop expressing them? if u dont like it just ignore it |
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| On the CGI thing, I don't know where someone said/typed it, but I remember hearing/reading something along the lines of "you don't notice CG animation unless its bad or out of place". I think that's the issue that you are conveniently ignoring, OP. Folks complain about CG when its quality is poor. Sure, you could argue that they have to cut corners and release an unpolished product, but if you do that then you can't just expect people to ignore it. Doubly so if the CG object or person looks out of place in the context of what is appearing on the screen. A good show sucks the viewer in. Bad art or animation disrupts that sense of immersion. One disruption is bad enough, but if its a recurring theme then I think people are well within their rights to complain about it. Especially if they are paying to watch said show. What I will say, though, is that I think alot of people are sleeping on purely CGI shows. The currently airing Kuutei Dragons is quite a good show. As is Dorohedoro. Kotobuki is also quite good. At the same time, though, I do understand why people don't watch these shows. They're a little weird to look at. As one of my favorite anime, I also agree that all forms of criticism made against School Days are invalid. XD |
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| You guys have to learn how to ignore things and move, why does them complaining about it matter so much? I can see where you are coming from but at the same time people aren't going to stop just because you believe they are whining too much. If it's on some real BS or something that that is definitely wrong then address it with them but if it's the same thing you seen them say before just move on and ignore. "If you don't like, don't watch it" response doesn't mean anything because they are not going to stop especially if they have decided to continue on through to see where the series goes. How many time have people used that response and nothing changed? If you see something dumb they wrote just laugh it off it and move on. There plenty of people who criticize Bleach one of my favorite shows and have some pretty far out opinions about it but I don't argue against them all the time because it's their opinion. They are not going to stop just because people say they are complaining too much. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: Hokage_Jason said: he’s going to (most likely) keep believing Japan is a big anime playground where all girls talk in a grade school voice and follow you around calling you senpai because that’s what he wants it to be. Where did Ryuk ever imply that Japan is just like anime? terminador_2397 said: You guys have to learn how to ignore things and move, why does them complaining about it matter so much? I can see where you are coming from but at the same time people aren't going to stop just because you believe they are whining too much. If it's on some real BS or something that that is definitely wrong then address it with them but if it's the same thing you seen them say before just move on and ignore. "If you don't like, don't watch it" response doesn't mean anything because they are not going to stop especially if they have decided to continue on through to see where the series goes. How many time have people used that response and nothing changed? If you see something dumb they wrote just laugh it off it and move on. There plenty of people who criticize Bleach one of my favorite shows and have some pretty far out opinions about it but I don't argue against them all the time because it's their opinion. They are not going to stop just because people say they are complaining too much. Yet, you posted on this thread: you clearly don't agree with Ryuk, so why post? Why not ignore this thread? Why even click on it? I assume you were aware you wouldn't like what Ryuk was going to say based on the title, since it gives a good idea of what the thread was going to be about. It's perfectly fine to care about what others think: we're human after all. However, I think it's self-contradictory to tell others not to care about what others think, yet you seem to care enough about what Ryuk thinks, to post. I'm not trying to start a fight: I'm just confused. I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding. I don't have a problem with what he said, I said I see where he coming from but at the same time when he sees people raise issue with the issues he addressed in his post, he should there will be those who will always have those types of complaints and rather than raise issue with them whining as he said, he doesn't have to pay that much attention since those are some of the usual things people have problems with. I don't fully disagree with because he's not wrong. How many other times have people made threads like this bringing up the issue but still see those usual complaints in discussion threads? Others have said similar things in this thread about already. |
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Hokage_Jason said: Peaceful_Critic said: Why not? If it is all nonsense then why don't you debunk it? Saying: "you should step away from anime" and leaving it there wouldn't do anything. Because if you lack an argument, no way would he listen to you and actually step away from his passion. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't either. Sorry but I couldn’t tell exactly what you were asking with the first “why not?” As for why I’m not debunking his argument, pretty much the same reason I wouldn’t argue with a “flat earther”, people who give absurd arguments typically arnt going to listen to reason and are more concerned with protecting their belief/ideal. It doesn’t matter what I say to him, link him, etc., he’s going to (most likely) keep believing Japan is a big anime playground where all girls talk in a grade school voice and follow you around calling you senpai because that’s what he wants it to be. He made a thread whining about how other people shouldn’t whine about things he likes in anime. He wrote a huge thread on his opinion about how other people shouldn’t voice their opinions No matter how you word it, it’s hypocritical and self centered, and shows how desperately he wants to preserve the ecchi/moe/kawaii beliefs he has of Japan. In short, he’s given me all I need to believe he’s narrow minded and will cling to his view of Japan because it panders to his fetishes/interests, and no amount of debate will change his mind, and even if it could, I don’t care about him enough to invest my time. I informed him of his unhealthy mindset and left it at that, because it’s all I really care to do. If you’re asking, yes, I will provide plenty of information detailing how unlike anime Japan is, how disgusting a LOT of locals view the medium, and how rediculous some of the things he’s trying to say is, but I think you already understand that. Youre asking why I’m being impolite and not approaching the “debate” differently, not why I think Japan isn’t the kawaii fantasy this dude is painting it as, correct? Lol what do you think my picture of Japan is in my head. Do you think I'm expecting to walk out of the Tokyo airport and see a giant, pink gate with the Hello Kitty logo in the middle of it and be greeted by a group of schoolgirls wearing cat ears and tail handing me stickers and squeaking "welcome to nihon senpai!" to which they will then turn around and their makeshift tail will lift up exposing their panties, which they will pretend to be embarrassed by but are actually kind of turned on?? 😂😂 I mean that is my idea of paradise, but I'm not retarded 😂. Like all countries in the world, most of people's time is spent in boring office jobs. Anime and kawaii culture then being used as a way to escape from the boring mundaneness of daily office life. I'd say its far more ridiculous to act like 75% of the young people in Japan hate and are disgusted by anime. I know you said it was an ass pull but you really don't have much ass to grab here 😏 70% of Japanese women aged 15-24 said they either liked anime or liked anime a lot in this survey. I couldn't find a survey on Japanese men but I assume their opinions are relatively similar in this regard. https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/nearly-70-of-young-japanese-women-self-identify-as-'otaku'-in-survey Only 6.8% they didn't like it at all and the rest said either indifferent or didn't like it much. So the people who are "disgusted by anime" or "think it is trash" are at the very most, 6.8% of the young people, which is a statistically insignificant number. Your rant sounds like the inner paranoia of a 12 year old who thinks if he listens to a certain kind of music or watches certain TV shows that everybody is gonna hate him. When I was 13 something similar came up and my dad just laughed and said "do you ever hear anybody saying, I hate that kid, the music he listens to is weird!" I was like, yeah that pretty much never happens. At most, people tend to be indifferent to your hobbies or think they are kind of weird. Only internet trolls really go around hating on people's hobbies. |
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Ryuk9428 said: So, basically you are one of those fans that enjoys every generic anime and thinks that talking about what you watch is wrong... because thinking by yourself is bad and can hurt someone's else fellings...I find it incredible how much this community likes to whine about the thing it supposedly loves. Half the threads on this forum seem to be variations of "how should anime be changed," "tropes you can't stand," "which genre/anime has the dumbest fans?" So because we are in the mood for whining, let's whine about the people who keep whining. What are things that you think other anime fans need to stop complaining about? For me it would be... - CGI complaints: You have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes of this anime. We all know that CGI is much easier and less time consuming than hand-drawn anime. Watching series like Shirobako, Paranoia Agent, or Golden Boy will take you behind the scenes of anime studios though and show you just how much stress is sometimes involved with trying to make deadlines. Sometimes, to make those deadlines, corners had to be cut. Especially if it is a longer anime series. Quite honestly, I can't even tell when CGI is being used to begin with most of the time. The difference between CGI and hand-drawn is very very subtle and I think most of the time people complaining about this are just looking for something to complain about rather than CGI actually impacting their viewing experience that much. So unless you want them to wait another 3-6 months to release an anime, stop complaining about CGI. - Complaining about erotic fanservice or material in general: Your virtue signalling is not impressing anyone except for other people who are virtue signallers. To the rest of us, virtue signalling is extremely annoying. There are some cases when these complaints have some legitimacy. If erotic fanservice actually broke the tone of the anime or doesn't fit into the world the anime created, then it makes sense. But 90% of the time I see people complaining about erotic fanservice, its just virtue signallers who seem to be complaining that [gasp] men like seeing girls' legs, butts, and boobs and anime writers dare to cater to that desire. - Complaining about Kawaii Culture: This sort of fits into the above "complaining about erotic material" since the people who complain about the former tend to be the same people complaining about this. I cannot tell you how many people who are supposedly anime fans say stuff like "why do all the girls have to have such squeaky voices?" Or "why are all the girls damsels in distress? ItS sO SeXiSt!" Japan's Kawaii culture is loved and appreciated by both genders in Japan. So quit your bellyaching. Anime fans complaining about this are the equivalent of hardcore Muslims who go to Western countries and complain about girls in short skirts or people drinking alcohol. You are choosing to be a part of their culture, they are under no obligation to change things to suit your cultural preferences. - Complaining about "Beta MCs": I will give a little more lenience to this one if the MC's behavior does not fit the world he is in. Also, some harem protagonists specifically really do take the betaness to a whole nother level (looking at you Kouta from Kanokon). But as far as I can tell, this rarely happens. It seems to me more that people are just complaining that the MC is an everyman instead of a heroic person. I actually like that we get a mix of heroic MCs and more normal MCs. Because let's face it, if the majority of people here were placed in situations like Kaneki's from Tokyo Ghoul or Yukki from Mirai Nikki, it would render us into a sobbing mess too. And how many of you would be willing to kill numerous people? I like that anime MCs struggle over this question more of how can you be a good person if you kill people over and over again? If you are looking for a heroic MC who doesn't ask these questions, I'd recommend 20th century actions films, perhaps more specifically from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. - Complaining about anime that subverted tropes/expectations: Most of my previous paragraphs have been criticizing people for attacking all the tropes in anime, but it goes the other way as well. Tropes exist because often times, when tropes are broken, audiences react very negatively. School Days for example broke the trope of "nice harem MC" and people hated it. The thing is though, you have to let writers take risks and subvert things in ways you weren't expecting them to do in order to allow their creativity to come forth. From what I've seen, the more restrictions and boxes you put on writers and the more they are demanded to make things that are "safe," the more the medium suffers from over-saturation. Sometimes those risks don't work out well, but I think we should encourage writers to take risks, and if the anime, TV show, or whatever ends up bombing, then better luck next time instead of demanding that such products not be created in the first place. Dude, Anime is a business, a lot of animes are just some excuse for getting money. So, get you head out of your ass and use your brain. And last, west doesn't matter, so our opinions are useless... deal with it kiddo, grow up! |
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DaCraziGuy said: Ryuk9428 said: So, basically you are one of those fans that enjoys every generic anime and thinks that talking about what you watch is wrong... because thinking by yourself is bad and can hurt someone's else fellings...I find it incredible how much this community likes to whine about the thing it supposedly loves. Half the threads on this forum seem to be variations of "how should anime be changed," "tropes you can't stand," "which genre/anime has the dumbest fans?" So because we are in the mood for whining, let's whine about the people who keep whining. What are things that you think other anime fans need to stop complaining about? For me it would be... - CGI complaints: You have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes of this anime. We all know that CGI is much easier and less time consuming than hand-drawn anime. Watching series like Shirobako, Paranoia Agent, or Golden Boy will take you behind the scenes of anime studios though and show you just how much stress is sometimes involved with trying to make deadlines. Sometimes, to make those deadlines, corners had to be cut. Especially if it is a longer anime series. Quite honestly, I can't even tell when CGI is being used to begin with most of the time. The difference between CGI and hand-drawn is very very subtle and I think most of the time people complaining about this are just looking for something to complain about rather than CGI actually impacting their viewing experience that much. So unless you want them to wait another 3-6 months to release an anime, stop complaining about CGI. - Complaining about erotic fanservice or material in general: Your virtue signalling is not impressing anyone except for other people who are virtue signallers. To the rest of us, virtue signalling is extremely annoying. There are some cases when these complaints have some legitimacy. If erotic fanservice actually broke the tone of the anime or doesn't fit into the world the anime created, then it makes sense. But 90% of the time I see people complaining about erotic fanservice, its just virtue signallers who seem to be complaining that [gasp] men like seeing girls' legs, butts, and boobs and anime writers dare to cater to that desire. - Complaining about Kawaii Culture: This sort of fits into the above "complaining about erotic material" since the people who complain about the former tend to be the same people complaining about this. I cannot tell you how many people who are supposedly anime fans say stuff like "why do all the girls have to have such squeaky voices?" Or "why are all the girls damsels in distress? ItS sO SeXiSt!" Japan's Kawaii culture is loved and appreciated by both genders in Japan. So quit your bellyaching. Anime fans complaining about this are the equivalent of hardcore Muslims who go to Western countries and complain about girls in short skirts or people drinking alcohol. You are choosing to be a part of their culture, they are under no obligation to change things to suit your cultural preferences. - Complaining about "Beta MCs": I will give a little more lenience to this one if the MC's behavior does not fit the world he is in. Also, some harem protagonists specifically really do take the betaness to a whole nother level (looking at you Kouta from Kanokon). But as far as I can tell, this rarely happens. It seems to me more that people are just complaining that the MC is an everyman instead of a heroic person. I actually like that we get a mix of heroic MCs and more normal MCs. Because let's face it, if the majority of people here were placed in situations like Kaneki's from Tokyo Ghoul or Yukki from Mirai Nikki, it would render us into a sobbing mess too. And how many of you would be willing to kill numerous people? I like that anime MCs struggle over this question more of how can you be a good person if you kill people over and over again? If you are looking for a heroic MC who doesn't ask these questions, I'd recommend 20th century actions films, perhaps more specifically from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. - Complaining about anime that subverted tropes/expectations: Most of my previous paragraphs have been criticizing people for attacking all the tropes in anime, but it goes the other way as well. Tropes exist because often times, when tropes are broken, audiences react very negatively. School Days for example broke the trope of "nice harem MC" and people hated it. The thing is though, you have to let writers take risks and subvert things in ways you weren't expecting them to do in order to allow their creativity to come forth. From what I've seen, the more restrictions and boxes you put on writers and the more they are demanded to make things that are "safe," the more the medium suffers from over-saturation. Sometimes those risks don't work out well, but I think we should encourage writers to take risks, and if the anime, TV show, or whatever ends up bombing, then better luck next time instead of demanding that such products not be created in the first place. Dude, Anime is a business, a lot of animes are just some excuse for getting money. So, get you head out of your ass and use your brain. And last, west doesn't matter, so our opinions are useless... deal with it kiddo, grow up! Its true, I like lots of generic animes and can see the merit in just about everything I watch. There has to be some generic shows for us to even know what generic is after-all. One week I might be feeling an epic thriller like Death Note, or a highly psychological anime like Tatami Galaxy, and next week I wanna just watch schoolgirls run around in short skirts, kissing each other, obsessing over a wimpy male character, and saying cute things. That's what makes anime wonderful is that there's just so much to choose from depending on what your mood is at the moment. And there's almost never just one anime that's like what you watched so you can frequently find something that gives you the same feelings as the other one did. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Hokage_Jason said: Sorry but I couldn’t tell exactly what you were asking with the first “why not?” As for why I’m not debunking his argument, pretty much the same reason I wouldn’t argue with a “flat earther”, people who give absurd arguments typically arnt going to listen to reason and are more concerned with protecting their belief/ideal. It doesn’t matter what I say to him, link him, etc., he’s going to (most likely) keep believing Japan is a big anime playground where all girls talk in a grade school voice and follow you around calling you senpai because that’s what he wants it to be. He made a thread whining about how other people shouldn’t whine about things he likes in anime. He wrote a huge thread on his opinion about how other people shouldn’t voice their opinions No matter how you word it, it’s hypocritical and self centered, and shows how desperately he wants to preserve the ecchi/moe/kawaii beliefs he has of Japan. In short, he’s given me all I need to believe he’s narrow minded and will cling to his view of Japan because it panders to his fetishes/interests, and no amount of debate will change his mind, and even if it could, I don’t care about him enough to invest my time. I informed him of his unhealthy mindset and left it at that, because it’s all I really care to do. If you’re asking, yes, I will provide plenty of information detailing how unlike anime Japan is, how disgusting a LOT of locals view the medium, and how rediculous some of the things he’s trying to say is, but I think you already understand that. Youre asking why I’m being impolite and not approaching the “debate” differently, not why I think Japan isn’t the kawaii fantasy this dude is painting it as, correct? Lol what do you think my picture of Japan is in my head. Do you think I'm expecting to walk out of the Tokyo airport and see a giant, pink gate with the Hello Kitty logo in the middle of it and be greeted by a group of schoolgirls wearing cat ears and tail handing me stickers and squeaking "welcome to nihon senpai!" to which they will then turn around and their makeshift tail will lift up exposing their panties, which they will pretend to be embarrassed by but are actually kind of turned on?? 😂😂 I mean that is my idea of paradise, but I'm not retarded 😂. Like all countries in the world, most of people's time is spent in boring office jobs. Anime and kawaii culture then being used as a way to escape from the boring mundaneness of daily office life. I'd say its far more ridiculous to act like 75% of the young people in Japan hate and are disgusted by anime. I know you said it was an ass pull but you really don't have much ass to grab here 😏 70% of Japanese women aged 15-24 said they either liked anime or liked anime a lot in this survey. I couldn't find a survey on Japanese men but I assume their opinions are relatively similar in this regard. https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/nearly-70-of-young-japanese-women-self-identify-as-'otaku'-in-survey Only 6.8% they didn't like it at all and the rest said either indifferent or didn't like it much. So the people who are "disgusted by anime" or "think it is trash" are at the very most, 6.8% of the young people, which is a statistically insignificant number. Your rant sounds like the inner paranoia of a 12 year old who thinks if he listens to a certain kind of music or watches certain TV shows that everybody is gonna hate him. When I was 13 something similar came up and my dad just laughed and said "do you ever hear anybody saying, I hate that kid, the music he listens to is weird!" I was like, yeah that pretty much never happens. At most, people tend to be indifferent to your hobbies or think they are kind of weird. Only internet trolls really go around hating on people's hobbies. Mmm well I will say I misjudged your opinion of Japan and what you meant by “kawaii culture”. My mistake, sort of, though your wording could of been better, I myself have poor wording often so I can understand that. It seemed like what you described was genuinely what you expected Japan to be. So for my assumptions about you as a person, I will say I was (mostly) wrong and apologize, though based on what you describe as paradise and your anime tastes you do still seem a bit ... well, like someone I wouldn’t like, to put it nicely lol. I still think your original post is hypocritical and childish however. Anime isn’t defined by or restricted to any spicific genre/trope/etc. people can express what aspects they like/dislike as they feel free. You’re complaining that other people are giving their opinions about anime while giving your own opinions at the same time? @Peaceful_Critic I just don’t think it’s healthy, and I think when it’s from a purely consumer standpoint it’s more of a hobby or obsession than a passion. I would say a chef is passionate about food, but I would NOT say someone who just loves to eat is passionate about food. I’m not trying to sound like I’m any better, games and anime are two of my biggest hobbies and I think I should spend less time consuming both, it’s not constructive and any source of fiction can detach you from reality if taken in too big a quantity. You’re right though I was definitely making assumptions, although not entirely baseless ones. And to me telling someone to step away from something for their own good is just the same as telling them they have an unhealthy or obsessive mindset. |
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cloudrunner64 said: I will complain about CGI as I think it's lazy and isn't always needed. Hand drawn animation is an art form that cannot be replicated on a computer. We can see that with our EYES. The movements are way off. There is no human like fluidity. Pretty soon there won't be any hand drawn shows. Not because it's no good but because of greed. Studios wanting to push out things faster to make more money. Like most things, CGI does have its benefits and can be used to compliment or help scenes but it doesn't need to be the be all and end all. Ufotable uses a lot of CG for example. They also use camera work from 3d programs. https://twitter.com/crunchyroll/status/1150812519159611394?lang=en |
| Personally, I'm fine with people whining about anime. I'm also fine with people whining about people whining about anime. Now this thread has people whinning about people whining about people whining about anime. It's all gucci to me. If someone whines about this post in some meta ironic fashion, however, I won't be able to take it and will have to whine about that. |
Hokage_Jason said: Ryuk9428 said: Lol what do you think my picture of Japan is in my head. Do you think I'm expecting to walk out of the Tokyo airport and see a giant, pink gate with the Hello Kitty logo in the middle of it and be greeted by a group of schoolgirls wearing cat ears and tail handing me stickers and squeaking "welcome to nihon senpai!" to which they will then turn around and their makeshift tail will lift up exposing their panties, which they will pretend to be embarrassed by but are actually kind of turned on?? 😂😂 I mean that is my idea of paradise, but I'm not retarded 😂. Like all countries in the world, most of people's time is spent in boring office jobs. Anime and kawaii culture then being used as a way to escape from the boring mundaneness of daily office life. I'd say its far more ridiculous to act like 75% of the young people in Japan hate and are disgusted by anime. I know you said it was an ass pull but you really don't have much ass to grab here 😏 70% of Japanese women aged 15-24 said they either liked anime or liked anime a lot in this survey. I couldn't find a survey on Japanese men but I assume their opinions are relatively similar in this regard. https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/nearly-70-of-young-japanese-women-self-identify-as-'otaku'-in-survey Only 6.8% they didn't like it at all and the rest said either indifferent or didn't like it much. So the people who are "disgusted by anime" or "think it is trash" are at the very most, 6.8% of the young people, which is a statistically insignificant number. Your rant sounds like the inner paranoia of a 12 year old who thinks if he listens to a certain kind of music or watches certain TV shows that everybody is gonna hate him. When I was 13 something similar came up and my dad just laughed and said "do you ever hear anybody saying, I hate that kid, the music he listens to is weird!" I was like, yeah that pretty much never happens. At most, people tend to be indifferent to your hobbies or think they are kind of weird. Only internet trolls really go around hating on people's hobbies. Mmm well I will say I misjudged your opinion of Japan and what you meant by “kawaii culture”. My mistake, sort of, though your wording could of been better, I myself have poor wording often so I can understand that. It seemed like what you described was genuinely what you expected Japan to be. So for my assumptions about you as a person, I will say I was (mostly) wrong and apologize, though based on what you describe as paradise and your anime tastes you do still seem a bit ... well, like someone I wouldn’t like, to put it nicely lol. I still think your original post is hypocritical and childish however. Anime isn’t defined by or restricted to any spicific genre/trope/etc. people can express what aspects they like/dislike as they feel free. You’re complaining that other people are giving their opinions about anime while giving your own opinions at the same time? @Peaceful_Critic I just don’t think it’s healthy, and I think when it’s from a purely consumer standpoint it’s more of a hobby or obsession than a passion. I would say a chef is passionate about food, but I would NOT say someone who just loves to eat is passionate about food. I’m not trying to sound like I’m any better, games and anime are two of my biggest hobbies and I think I should spend less time consuming both, it’s not constructive and any source of fiction can detach you from reality if taken in too big a quantity. You’re right though I was definitely making assumptions, although not entirely baseless ones. And to me telling someone to step away from something for their own good is just the same as telling them they have an unhealthy or obsessive mindset. Eh, you're a shonen fan, you're more like my brother. I'm more into the ecchi/moe side of anime. Shonen fans and ecchi/moe fans might both be anime fans, and both sides have their weeb types, but they have very different personalities 😂😂 Truthfully, I'm all bark and no bite. I made this thread because its funny, and the pot needs to be stirred every now and then. I don't genuinely expect anything to change cause I tossed my opinions out into the ethosphere. I would love to write screenplays for an anime studio some day. It will be a long road to actually doing that, but if I had an opportunity I would take it. So I'd say it isn't purely consumer based. But I suck at drawing so I'm not going to do that part 😂😂 @Freshell Probably one of the funniest posts I've seen in awhile. Hats off. |
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| This gotta be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a LONG TIME. People complain about shit because they got an opinion you dum dum. Saying something like STOP ARGUING/COMPLAINING and BE NICE, is the exact same thing as saying “ Don’t have an opinion”. People watch anime for the sense of enjoyment, when people don’t enjoy the time their spending they complain. Wanna know why the rating system exists on MAL, to share OPINIONS on an anime. “think about the hard work creators put into the anime” what?!?! Hard Work does not equal talent, if that were true why don’t YOU rate all your anime a 10/10? Thinking that everybody should not complain about cgi, moe stuff, and tropes makes you look like a to be frank and I put this in the nicest way possible. A COMPLETE IDIOT. |
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| People should stop complaining about something they are signed for. If you are watching ecchi then of course there are sexual content in it. If you are watching harem then of course there are character surrounded by someone with different sex. If you watch slice of life then of course ypu are going to see character going on with their daily life. Don't act surprised when show that you watch presenting the genre they are listed with. You sign for it then you should deal with it. |
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DillonA said: This gotta be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a LONG TIME. People complain about shit because they got an opinion you dum dum. Saying something like STOP ARGUING/COMPLAINING and BE NICE, is the exact same thing as saying “ Don’t have an opinion”. People watch anime for the sense of enjoyment, when people don’t enjoy the time their spending they complain. Wanna know why the rating system exists on MAL, to share OPINIONS on an anime. “think about the hard work creators put into the anime” what?!?! Hard Work does not equal talent, if that were true why don’t YOU rate all your anime a 10/10? Thinking that everybody should not complain about cgi, moe stuff, and tropes makes you look like a to be frank and I put this in the nicest way possible. A COMPLETE IDIOT. Well I don’t give them all 10/10 but I do give almost everything pretty decent ratings. According to malgraph my average rating is 7 followed by 8, followed by 6. Almost everything is pretty good. Some is not my taste but I don’t usually see something that’s legitimately bad. |
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Maneki-Mew said: Missaliensan said: Absolutely agree.It´s insane the amount of people that complain about "wimpy" protagonists,since all they want is a badass mc that never flinches to any dangerous situation.Of course people hate crybabies,but i feel like badass,overpowered mcs are overrated as well in that regard.I´m pretty sure most people would be in a fit of panic if they were thrown into situations like that so give these characters a break,they are reacting like a normal human would. People, who say "Kaneki / Shinji / whoever should stop whining" are just edgy. Tho I understand the term as these hundreds of clones of the average high school boy. All of them look almost the same, have little personality and no backbone, so they neither interfere with the audience's wishfulfillment nor do they intimate them by having more backbone ... while still getting power and girls. The idea is so ridiculous that a complete average guy will get so many girls in first place. That guy in his looks and personality is the embodiement of the "average school boy"-trope. RantingMarauder said: True. I kinda get the complaints a lil bit, but the gatekeeping shit does very little to stop "normies". Whining about them won't change their taste in anime or make them more educated about anime culture. That's is so true. This bothers me so much too. About the CGI: I really liked some CGI so far. Mainly Houseki no Kuni and Beastars, but I also will watch this soon: It looks more like some sort of game, but it doesn't look bad in my books: https://myanimelist.net/anime/37150/Douluo_Dalu Hokage_Jason said: Naw I’m not “weeb hating”, and having passion for things is great but anime shouldn’t be your biggest passion as a consumer. Why tho? When people tell you: "My biggest passion is reading books", they will be respected for it for "oh look, they are readings books in 2020! (Because nobody else that does that nowadays, sure..)" The one passion and favorited medium is some kind of prestige now and the other one isn't. But I don't hear any logical argument, why anime shouldn't be your biggest passion as a consumer. If your consume behavior gets out of hand, every medium could become an addiction. So I don't see why you would single out anime? I wasn't singling out anime, Peaceful_Critic asked the same thing and in my response to her I elaborated slightly but not fully. I think any fictional medium, from a purely consumer standpoint, shouldn't be your top passion/priority in life because it isn't constructive (for the most part, sure you can learn a thing or two about history or morals from entertainment mediums) and can detach you from reality if overly consumed. It should be more of a hobby than a passion imo. I would call a chef who loved his job and was always innovating new ideas passionate about his job. I would NOT call someone who loved eating so much they became obese, despite having good metabolism/genetics, passionate about food, I would call them obsessed with food and lacking restraint. I would call someone who designs games out of a passion for gaming passionate about games. I would NOT call someone who plays MMOs all day living off their parents passionate about games, I would call them obsessed and detached from reality. I would call someone who writes stories or does art work in the anime industry passionate about anime (assuming they genuinely were and were not just there for the money, which usually isn't the case since it isn't a very lucrative industry as far as I know). I would NOT call someone who sits around watching anime all fantasizing of having a harem passionate about anime, I would call them obsessed and detached from reality. Disclaimer 1: Not fat shaming, if people wanna be fat that's cool. Disclaimer 2: Not trying to act better-than-thou, just saying how I feel. I myself invest way to much time into anime and games, and it 100% affects my work/personal lives. |
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| End of the day, and I hate to put it like this because it comes off so... soft, I guess, but it's just about being nice. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion no matter how stupid is, and you are entitled to express it in whatever arrogant, aggressive, asshole way you want. You're also entitled to not thank the person behind the checkout at the store. You're entitled to do a lot of things which you shouldn't if you don't want to be an asshole. If you're going to express a negative opinion how about having some humility and being more careful with your words? "x anime is trash", or "weebs are stupid" are simple examples, but this is not how we as a community should be communicating with each other. I love criticism, when it's carefully worded and deeply considered. I'm very capable of having a conversation with someone I disagree with vehemently on many things when they are pleasant about it. But too many people find that impossible because it isn't just being anti-erotica or anti-moe, there's an implicit hatred for the fans of that content which spills out for everyone to see in everything single thread where it's brought up. It's evident here, and it was evident in my recent "oppression olympics" thread. There are people that come here who love anime and we don't want to see yet another post with nothing but shitting on anime with no indication of respect for anime or the culture. _Ridley_ said: YossaRedMage said: More like "stop being assholes". But you're right, people should be immune from criticism. But not anime. Anime should be shit-talked on a fan forum without anyone saying anything about it. Is that what you want? What sort of person do you need to be to disagree with the general point made by OP here? I can see disagreeing with certain points, but the general message is to stop being so negative. How on Earth can that be anything but a positive message? Unless you feel personally attacked by the thread because you're one of the people Ryuk is talking about? Without criticism, praise is meaningless. Hmm. Now, I'm usually on-board with the whole "no good without bad" concept. But I don't applies that well here. If I gave someone a compliment, it would mean something to them without me saying anything negative to give it extra meaning. I guess, one could argue the only reason receiving niceties means something is because we have negative experiences to compare it to... If someone received nothing but love and praise their whole life (literally nothing but) then it would probably become at least close to meaningless. But, importantly, that doesn't mean we should be ok with unnecessary negativity. So, what, your argument is that it's ok to be negative because you're only doing so that the positive stuff has more impact? Come on bro. But, interesting as all that stuff is, I think you're missing the nuance in what Ryuk is saying here. The title of the post is worded in the absolute "need to stop", but the general message I think is that people should be less negative, especially when it comes to certain stuff. And he goes in to more depth as to why certain criticisms of certain stuff either don't make sense or don't belong in a fan space because it's basically complaining about cheese at a pizza-lovers meet. btw @Ryuk you have the patience of a saint how calmly you reply to some of the comments here lol. I'm very quick to decide who I'm going to bother checking replies from and who I'm going to ignore. |
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| There is a dude in this thread, that, on an anime fan forum, said "anime shouldn't be your biggest passion"... who the fuck thinks they have a right to tell people what their biggest passion should be? And what kind of arrogance do you need to have to tell people not to be passionate about anime on an anime fan forum? I'm genuinely shocked by this. The level of self-hatred among anime fans is literally insane. Like it comes off as a mental illness to me. |
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| I’m actually in a really good mood today. I think imagining those schoolgirls in cat ears doubled my serotonin levels lol. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: YossaRedMage said: Everyone knows who you are talking about. If you are going to pick a fight then you might as well commit to it or not say anything at all.There is a dude in this thread, that, on an anime fan forum, said "anime shouldn't be your biggest passion"... who the fuck thinks they have a right to tell people what their biggest passion should be? And what kind of arrogance do you need to have to tell people not to be passionate about anime on an anime fan forum? I'm genuinely shocked by this. The level of self-hatred among anime fans is literally insane. Like it comes off as a mental illness to me. @Hokage_Jason YossaRedMage has a problem with you That's unfortunate, I feel like I'm a pretty swell person generally speaking. I don't really feel like fighting or discussing anything with them though. I stand by what I said, a persons biggest passion in life shouldn't be consuming a fictional medium because [i]it's unhealthy[i]. To be passionate about it, sure, to let it be what defines your life, no. If people think that's arrogant of me to say, I'm okay letting them think that. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Hokage_Jason said: You don't need to, of course, I was just letting you know. That's unfortunate, I feel like I'm a pretty swell person generally speaking. I don't really feel like fighting or discussing anything with them though. I stand by what I said, a persons biggest passion in life shouldn't be consuming a fictional medium because it's unhealthy. To be passionate about it, sure, to let it be what defines your life, no. If people think that's arrogant of me to say, I'm okay letting them think that. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes in that case and not know. If someone talks bad about me, I have more comfort in knowing what they think. Not sure if you are different in that aspect. Well thanks I appreciate the thought. If it's someone I looked up to or was close to I would definitely want them to voice their distaste/anger to me personally, but generally speaking I'm not overly concerned with what people think/say about me. I mean, if someone was going around telling people I was a murderer or rapist or something like that, yeah I'd want to know and would have some serious issues with that XD but as long as its just an opinion of me I'm pretty okay with people saying/thinking what they want about me. |
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