Captiaanuniverse said: I'd an analysis of the different behaviours between noobs and vets would be better, I mean, what counts as bullying? I would say 'going out of your way to make someone feel bad' would count as bullying. Not saying something like "I've seen more anime than you...so my opinion is stronger." But...some people get offended by everything. |
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| I'm a veteran weeb. Any reason for bullying is pathetic. |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| Given the shows that I hold on a pedestal, me talkin' shit about when younger fans are into would be pretty fuckin' retarded, because my taste is shit. #AnimeIsTrashAndSoAmI |
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Bread_lover_666 said: Veteran weebs that bully new ones are so egotistic and annoying. Leave them alone! Someone needs to start SOMEWHERE. This is why some people avoid our community so much. You say that last part like it's a bad thing whenever I'm pretty sure plenty of people who are into this want to encourage exactly that, lmao Maneki-Mew said: Kuro_Neko04 said: lmao the funny thing is that in r/Animemes everyone is basically a normie which like to be called weeb. They are all "Huh git gud n00b" but then if you mention a "classic" like Suzumiya Haruhi they don't know a shit since they just follow recent seasonal and popular anime. How does that even matter? If I watch something for enjoyment as a hobby, why should anyone care about that? As an individual it's pretty dumb to watch something just to get to know more classics, because others expect that of you. Others could demand you easily to do something, but they will never give you back the time you wasted to get acknowledged by them. Which are some strangers you would never care about otherwise and at the end they don't care if you did it either, so it becomes even funnier. If you want to watch only the latest and most topical seasonals and nothing else, that'd be your prerogative. But if you only do that and refuse to look at things on a more holistic level outside of that one realm you're interested in, then walk into discussions and posture at being an authority on the topic or a certain genre or whatever, then by all means, people can tell you to fuck off. Because, unfortunately, it's not so black and white to where DURRR PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE INTERESTS OF OTHERS WHY DO THEY CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO GOTDAMN WEEBS and to try to treat it like such is completely disingenuous. Nobody is going to give a fuck if little Hans only watches seasonals. When he walks into a discussion and expects to be seen as having the same breadth of perspective and knowledge of the medium as somebody who's been watching anime for a decade, though, then he's simply out of his depth. I do think things like this tend to be more on that side of things. You're free to do as you please, but there's always going to be a degree of having to earn your stripes before you present yourself in a certain way to others in things like discussion or else you'll just come off as ignorant and posturing. Pure individuality and self-determination doesn't suddenly win your opinions respect, and having your opinion respected certainly isn't a pre-determined outcome. You need credibility. And this does happen frequently enough to where it's totally fair grounds to dismiss somebody on - but, pray tell, how is somebody most likely to react to the idea that you have to actually have experience and knowledge with something to...well, speak of it as if you have experience and knowledge of it? With the elitism bullshit, apparently. Not surprising considering it tends to be the case whenever an idea that you can't just have your opinion respected as soon as you shit it out onto a discussion board is brought into the equation, this time it's only new and revolutionary because nowadays that basic concept is treated as if you're trying to bully people into not liking something anymore, whenever the two things aren't linked whatsoever. |
ManabanOct 26, 2019 12:07 AM
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Maneki-Mew said: How does that even matter? If I watch something for enjoyment as a hobby, why should anyone care about that? As an individual it's pretty dumb to watch something just to get to know more classics, because others expect that of you. Others could demand you easily to do something, but they will never give you back the time you wasted to get acknowledged by them. Which are some strangers you would never care about otherwise and at the end they don't care if you did it either, so it becomes even funnier. Mb mb I think that I didn't explain well my point The problem here is that r/Animemes users make fun of "normies" I left Animemes for this exact reason. Everyone was making fun of ppl who watched few anime, but then, they are too normies. Because watching few "unpopular" seasonal doesn't make you a veteran ahem... Weeb. They love to be called weeb tho, probably because it make them feel special and different from the others. That's the thing I hate. What' the point of making fun of a guy who watched SAO and Bleach if you too watched few things? If you want to make fun of a normie, at least watch other things except "unpopular" seasonals, which are basically popular since they are discussed every season and it's hard to not know about them if you are an anime fan. The Haruhi thing was just an example. So I don't give a fuck if they know what's Haruhi. Just don't insult other people if you are basically one of them. Thanks. |
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| Not a big fan of the word "weeb" but I'm guessing you mean anime fans who have seen a lot of shit for a long period of time bullying those who haven't done that. Well, no shit it's that way and it doesn't just happen in the anime community. Whatever community you're in, a portion of the veterans will bully the newbies. This is nothing new. |
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| I rarely see older anime fans bashing on young ones because of their taste. Usually, conflicts happen because your fav anime is criticized, so in that way, a chain of random insults starts. I never bullied someone because of their taste, only as a joke, but I didn't take it too far. People should just watch anime, have a good time and go to mal episode discussion. |
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| The only thing for me comes close to that is hearing "show x is da best" even tho the person saying it watched like 10 anime in general. What even is a "veteran" someone who fought in a waifu war? Someone who watched countless shows? Someone that watched every popular show? Someone with more knowledge than the average about the medium? |
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| Sometimes it does pop up as an obviously exaggerated meme, but it's ironic and done for fun. I haven't seen actual bullying cases in this forum. There may be a couple of toxic users who'll attack you for liking a particular show or genre, but they can be ignored. So far I've argued only once, against someone who was against lolicon hentai. I understood that the fight would've brought us nowhere, cut the discussion and we went our ways without any consequence. |
simon443Oct 26, 2019 8:53 AM
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| I don't see the difference between a 'veteran' weeb and a 'newbie' weeb tbvvh |
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FlowersInTheRain said: some people in the anime community who may tell me that I am not enjoying anime the correct way But you see, there are a genuine situations like that, but it happens once in a blue moon or so. Like I tried to watch Gundam: G no Reconguista in 2015 without actual experience from other Tomino shows (other Gundam shows yes, but not the Tomino ones...except Turn A which I also dropped early). It was practically unwatchable... Years latter I went through the whole Universal Century (a bit forcing myself with Zeta and Victory) and returned to Reconguista...and liked it pretty well...and I actually think that it's the best Tomino show. Currently watching Overman King Gainer which is very similar to Reconguista and I am enjoying it too. This guy writes his characters and dialogues in very absurd ways also has a weird sense of humour. Once when you get used to it those show become pretty interesting. Same thing happened with Mamoru Oshii - I really disliked Ghost In The Shell 1995 and The Patlabor Movie 2 (watched them out of context..because people told me to do so...). Much later started the Patlabor franchise from the beginning (which is pretty weir by the way), got used to Oshii's style and now The Patlabor Movie 2 is one of my favourites...still not that impressed by GITS 1995 (only be the rest of the franchise including Oshii's Innocence). Very similar thing with Lupin III. Got hooked only after watching the crossover special with Detective Conan...now I can enjoy even the weakest titles from the franchise. What I mean is that sometimes you need some context or using to certain style to be able to appreciate something. Not that this happens all the time, just in some cases. FlowersInTheRain said: Oh yeah I just remembered that I really hated NGE. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Okay I didn't hate it. Hate is a strong word. I really disliked it. Big waste of time. Yeah, I dislike Eva too. Choco-Latte said: I don't see the difference between a 'veteran' weeb and a 'newbie' weeb tbvvh Hint - longer waifu list for the veteran... |
| for gods sake can we go back to using 'weeb' for its true meaning of someone irrationally glorifying japanese culture and hating on every other culture? Why not just say anime fan, anime nerd or even Otaku instead? That would actually be accurate. I'm definitely not a weeb, veteran or newbie. If actual weebs bully each other, I don't care because weebs are toxic. As for anime fans? The issue is not really taste, it's just newbies often being disrespectful and talking bullshit and it's not bullying if someone with more experience who knows better tries to tell them why what they said is stupid, arrogant or utterly misinformed. When I was new, I'd soak up all the information I could gather from older fans and I would never even thought that I knew just as much or more about anime history, the industry or specific genres than people who had seen 10x the amount I had and spent many more years in this community. But there is a lot of arrogance and disrespect from some younger fans who think that years of experience and accumulated knowledge don't make your opinions more informed, thorough and well-rounded. They watch 2 shows from a genre and think they know all that is to know about that genre and when someone who's seen 200 shows from that genre tells them they're wrong and their generalization is biased, they play the victim or just start throwing insults. It's very annoying, and it's just one example of how they completely disrespect and devalue experience and knowledge while making baseless generalizations or statements about stuff they barely know anything about. So I don't care what people watch, I just care about experience and knowledge being respected and acknowledged, like in literally any other area of human life. Knowing what you don't know is a very nice personality attribute and it's thatz kind of self-awareness that I miss from a lot of new fans. I mean I'm sure there are assholes who just randomly say shit about people because they like some popular shows. Just like there are some assholes who randomly say shit about people because they like some obscure or niche shows. Anime fans in general can insult each other over basically everything. 99% of their lists could be identical, but they would find that one title where they disagree and insult each other over it. Personally I never really saw that as being related to newbie/veteran relationships tho. It's mostly people with similar-ish list sizes that insult each other over taste, I rarely see anyone with a list of my size engaging in such trite activities. Because we are usually prioritizing watching anime over bickering about taste, that's how our lists got so long. But maybe I'm just having too high of a standard for what makes a veteran anime fan because of how much I've seen and researched myself over the years. Like, you can have 1000 completed anime but if you don't know who Tezuka is, I'd still consider you a hatchling anime fan in some ways :>. To me being a veteran fan means a mixture of experience (amount of anime watched + variety of genres and decades they're from) and knowledge (knowing at least some of the basics about the history, industry and some people like directors, voice actors or animators). |
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| Not that common thing really. I remember only few times someone ranting back in the day, like middle 2000's, on one animanga forum site I visited how easy it was for newbies/weebs to get their daily dose of 2D ass and tits compared to them who needed to order vhs from Japan when they started. Taste tho? Everyone shits on everyone's taste. Personally I'm more annoyed with, you know, actual weebs. Who often happen to be teenagers who think anime is the shit and try to get everyone even near them to see how "cool" it is compared to those cartoons or what ever while naruto running and talking about waifus/husbandos. Basically being idiot who tries to show either how nerdy they are or so different from others, but admittedly those moments hold their own entertainment. I'm more disappointed when young fans show no interest to learn mediums history and background, but what can you do. FlowersInTheRain said: Meh, I have watched it two...three times(?) and still don't think it is amazing story or peak of tv-animation nor anime. I don't see it as outlandish opinion to hold.Edit: Oh yeah I just remembered that I really hated NGE. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Okay I didn't hate it. Hate is a strong word. I really disliked it. Big waste of time. |
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Chiibi said: There's no such thing as a "veteran weeb". Everyone who fits the description of "weeb" is between 11-17 years of age, cosplays in public, and speaks Japanese...poorly. Veteran anime fans are too mature to do those things. Precisely. Those awkward years... Then you grow up and be like "oh, I understand this now" and "why I acted that way?". Most mature anime fans either give tips to young ones or just watch things happen. |
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Pullman said: for gods sake can we go back to using 'weeb' for its true meaning of someone irrationally glorifying japanese culture and hating on every other culture? Why not just say anime fan, anime nerd or even Otaku instead? That would actually be accurate. I'm definitely not a weeb, veteran or newbie. If actual weebs bully each other, I don't care because weebs are toxic. YES. THIS. ALL OF THIS. ....I wish there were 'like' buttons on this forum lol |
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| After thinking about this topic for a couple years, I've settled on that if you only watch a select amount of shows on repeat and almost refuse to watch anything else, you're not a fan. Simple as that. You don't 'love' anime. I will 'bully' people like this (ง'̀-'́)ง (people who call themselves fans of anime or say that they love anime when they don't/aren't) However, I see no real reason to bully newbies otherwise. Enjoy what you want and go at your own pace. Just remember, newbies: A fan is 'a person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular person or thing.' ~If you can't wait to watch your next anime and want to keep exploring and expanding your library/preferences, you might be an anime fan. (there are plenty of other signs as well, this is the most important imo) ~If you have 10-30 you like, but are not interested in exploring the medium too much, you like anime. ~If you really like Boku no Hero Academia, Naruto, Tokyo Ghoul, and Attack on Titan, for example, you are a fan of a few anime. You may like anime. ~If you are specifially into Dragon Ball and Naruto, for example, you are a Dragon Ball and Naruto fan. Love - a great interest and pleasure in something. Like - find agreeable, enjoyable, or satisfactory. Not saying that every newbie is completely ignorant, this is just a love letter to all those ignorant people I've met/seen on the internet and in real life. If you happen to enjoy those few anime you watched on Crunchyroll and Netflix, and have no plans to watch anything else, that's ok. I just really dislike know-it-alls and people who claim to be the ultimate fan when they will probably never escape the mainstream in their lifetime. |
EhtaOct 26, 2019 9:29 PM
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Yeah...that's taking it a BIT too far....as is naming your children after Japanese anime characters. xD I'd probably have my favorite anime love song play at my wedding though (instrumental) |
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SillySlySy said: Chiibi said: I've heard lots of lies too. Separate the online joking from reality before you become one of those opinionated internet people detached from reality.yes, I've heard people actually do that. Given all the stories I've heard about the world, nothing really surprises me anymore. You could tell me the president of Iran was secretly a furry at this point and I'd probably just say "Really? Didn't know that." |
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| Come on man, please don't troll like this. Let's just be all friends in here. |
| The group you're referring to isn't veteran weebs. It's the elitists. Plenty of veteran weebs are mature enough to not make fun of new weebs even if they're obnoxious. |
ramdit said: Probably most of them are like that, but there some oldies in that bunch... I had those arguments with people that is older than me... and I'm 28 yo, I still find it hard to believe but I've seen people irl acting like that.DaCraziGuy said: new weebs are normally teenagers that are easily exaggerated and gets really defensive when someone nitpicking their favorite anime. do you agree with that?I hate when new weebs say things like "Wow, this is the best anime ever made in the history of humankind" - Anime watched: 32 shows of 12 episodes length... that is triggering imo. It's like considering yourself a doctor because you did 1 year in the university... dumb af. (And yes, I know it's a extreme comparison) |
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aditya47 said: You are right, I've see people with few animes watching all the shows that are considered good by 98% of the community. DaCraziGuy said: I hate when new weebs say things like "Wow, this is the best anime ever made in the history of humankind" - Anime watched: 32 shows of 12 episodes length... that is triggering imo. It's like considering yourself a doctor because you did 1 year in the university... dumb af. (And yes, I know it's a extreme comparison) i agree with you but there could be exceptions like he had a good senpai to guide him towards only the good stuff. |
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| I'm into to anime now over a decade. and I must say, I only go to conventions to buy merch, and maybe meet a friend or too. I dont do cosplay anymore, because the scene got so toxic. And I feel highly uncomfortable actually to talk to people, cause the way you get treated is really rude. Especially if you have another point of few. These are all my experiences. Maybe it is my own fault for having bad ones. Online its different. I started to do some photos with my anime figures and posted them on Instagram. I was so happy that I slide in such a wonderful group of nice ppl. They are very kind and helpful, I really enjoy my time talking to them. |
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Maneki-Mew said: It's funny, because it has been the opposite online, from some cases of people. In real I met few of these too, but their number isn't too high. Or I surround myself with another type of people. My friends (and some people I know) aren't that penetrant and don't trash talk stuff I liked constantly. Of course you could start a discussion, but they don't desperately try to change your mind and actually listen to your reasonings why you like stuff. In the end you could only say "okay, I see, you (don't) like it, maybe let's try something else" and call it a day. I found great people to talk online too, but to me it's more likely to find them iR (even if they were weird / creepy people too). Also because they are not so overly obsessed. That's interesting. I am not really the type to trash talk or behave over hyped in public, like some people tent to, for example trying to be kawaii or something like that. But every person I get in touch with ruen out to be a creep or total nutcase. Not all of them to be fair, but the majority, which makes me think is it me or do I just have bad luck. I meet total strangers at convention who told me how they get abused by ther parents, or random suicide thoughts. I'm avoiding people kinde to prevent such conversation. online I barely had to deal with it. We respect each other state and rl issues. But IR it's hard, its eat or get eaten. And I'm so done with how crappy I cosplayed and that I was to fat or wore to less make up. That's just toxic community. I miss to cosplay tbh, but I don't want to deal with rude ppl anymore. |
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Chiibi said: There's no such thing as a "veteran weeb". Everyone who fits the description of "weeb" is between 11-17 years of age, cosplays in public, and speaks Japanese...poorly. Veteran anime fans are too mature to do those things. I think he said everything that needs to be said. |
DarkrusChannel said: You haven't lived until you've watched a few dozens SOLs from the 2000s. There's a category of not just veterean weebs, but hardcore veteran weebs. They watch only animes that at least 10-15 years old or more. This shit is actually terrifying |
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| Just let people enjoy what they like, theres no reason someone should bully someone over something little as anime taste. -J |
| From my experience, I have not seen any here. But then again I am barely getting into being around the forums here on MAL. So, it can happen. And I have been a member of MAL for 5 years. Well, I don't consider myself a veteran weeb because I have seen a lot of anime. I am a person who just loves to watch anime regardless of how many shows or episodes I have seen. Just don't be one of those new weebs and say, "OMG, this is the best anime in the whole world", but you only saw like 20 anime haha. That is the only thing that gets kind of annoying. Everyone has their taste of anime. So, I don't think anyone has a superior taste of anime to anyone else. You have your taste and they have theirs. Then if you both have the same taste whether you are a new weeb or a veteran weeb then great :D! |
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| wait so.. when is the line drawn to consider yourself one or another? |
RMOtaku said: when is the line drawn to consider yourself one or another? When you start telling to yourself "Wow, those newbs have horrible taste indeed! We were so better and definitely more sophisticated than that.". |
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