| https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-poll-cbs-news-poll-finds-majority-of-americans-and-democrats-approve/ https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/new-polls-show-growing-support-for-impeachment-proceedings-70214213737 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/30/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-ukraine/index.html Right Wing Chuds: “tHe PoLlS aRe FaKe NeWs!!!!” ๐๐๐ For everyone else and my fellow libs...this is important because it shows that people are tired of Trump’s nonsense....his criminal behavior can’t be tolerated and at the very least history will show that at least a good amount of Americans wanted him ousted. Unfortunately...Trump’s cult members will NOT be moved...there is nothing Trump can do that will make them change their minds. |
--ALEX--Sep 30, 2019 10:35 PM
| Well now you can't always take the polls to heart. If congress pushes this back then that means Dems have to take Trump more seriously, so watch out. |
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| The Trump and Russian collusion conspiracy theory, the bogus rape accusations and other nonsense the democrats tried to accuse Trump of doing didn't work. So what makes loony leftists think they can impeach and remove Trump from office this time? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. IN other words people aren't going to fall for the same shit two, three or four times. The polls conducted by liberal bias news sights are as credible as a study on race by the KluKluxKlan or a study on 9-11 by Alex Jones. Which is zilch, zero, nada. Of course poll respondents to MSNBC,CBS and CNN are going to poll in favor of impeaching Trump because loony leftists watch those networks. |
ezikialrage said: The Trump and Russian collusion conspiracy theory, the bogus rape accusations and other nonsense the democrats tried to accuse Trump of doing didn't work. So what makes loony leftists think they can impeach and remove Trump from office this time? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. IN other words people aren't going to fall for the same shit two, three or four times. The polls conducted by liberal bias news sights are as credible as a study on race by the KluKluxKlan or a study on 9-11 by Alex Jones. Which is zilch, zero, nada. Of course poll respondents to MSNBC,CBS and CNN are going to poll in favor of impeaching Trump because loony leftists watch those networks. ๐๐๐ God, I love your post sooo much! |
| even Fox News viewers are worried too about what Trump and the republicans are doing Fox News Poll: Voters are frustrated with government, nervous about economy https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voters-are-frustrated-with-government-nervous-about-economy |
| Remember when all the polls showed Trump losing the election? The liberals have been slayed. What we're hearing right now are their death moans. |
Trump Russia collusion didn't work to remove Trump from office.Trying to use Trump paying his mistress pornstar to keep quiet about an affair didn't work to remove Trump from office. The bogus rape allegations didn't work to remove Trump from office. What makes you think the accusation of Trump withholding aide to get dirt on Biden's son is going to work? Right now it just looks like another desperate attempt by loony leftists to get rid of Trump . |
ezikialrage said: Trump Russia collusion didn't work to remove Trump from office.Trying to use Trump paying his mistress pornstar to keep quiet about an affair didn't work to remove Trump from office. The bogus rape allegations didn't work to remove Trump from office. What makes you think the accusation of Trump withholding aide to get dirt on Biden's son is going to work? Right now it just looks like another desperate attempt by loony leftists to get rid of Trump . I mean if you want the most concise answer it's because this accusation is simple. While collusion was really muddy because although they identified over 100 communications they couldn't pin point whether any of the information clearly could be defined as coordinating or conspiracy and they couldn't define the value of the information being exchanged. (They could have also used Obstruction of Justice but Pelosi was really against it and Congress in general just didn't act on it in a timely manner due to Barr literally lying in his summary). The affair he could just blame on his lawyer who made the payments so even though Trump is paying he had an easy scapegoat. Any allegation that came down to a He said She said just wouldn't be a strong enough case to justify impeachment. But the difference this time is this case is simple and to the point and all the extra details do is make it worse. Because it can be boiled down to 1 hard point, Trump personally asked a foreign power in his position as President for dirt on a political opponent and even released the transcript proving that he did that. It's the first time they can directly tie Trump to a verifiable action and none of his staff can cover for him. The problem is going to be Mitch McConnell could just never hold a trial in the Senate because there's no requirements for the Senate majority leader to do so except potential political suicide. But since McConnell literally has 0 shame political suicide is hardly a concern since it seems like Kentucky is so red it will keep electing him no matter what. |
GamerDLMOct 1, 2019 1:40 PM
| Nice polls. Here's what I think of your polls. |
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GamerDLM said: ezikialrage said: Trump Russia collusion didn't work to remove Trump from office.Trying to use Trump paying his mistress pornstar to keep quiet about an affair didn't work to remove Trump from office. The bogus rape allegations didn't work to remove Trump from office. What makes you think the accusation of Trump withholding aide to get dirt on Biden's son is going to work? Right now it just looks like another desperate attempt by loony leftists to get rid of Trump . I mean if you want the most concise answer it's because this accusation is simple. While collusion was really muddy because although they identified over 100 communications they couldn't pin point whether any of the information clearly could be defined as coordinating or conspiracy and they couldn't define the value of the information being exchanged. (They could have also used Obstruction of Justice but Pelosi was really against it and Congress in general just didn't act on it in a timely manner due to Barr literally lying in his summary). The affair he could just blame on his lawyer who made the payments so even though Trump is paying he had an easy scapegoat. Any allegation that came down to a He said She said just wouldn't be a strong enough case to justify impeachment. But the difference this time is this case is simple and to the point and all the extra details do is make it worse. Because it can be boiled down to 1 hard point, Trump personally asked a foreign power in his position as President for dirt on a political opponent and even released the transcript proving that he did that. It's the first time they can directly tie Trump to a verifiable action and none of his staff can cover for him. The problem is going to be Mitch McConnell could just never hold a trial in the Senate because there's no requirements for the Senate majority leader to do so except potential political suicide. But since McConnell literally has 0 shame political suicide is hardly a concern since it seems like Kentucky is so red it will keep electing him no matter what. Considering that you are gullible to believe that nonsense I got some ocean front property in Arizona and the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you. |
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ezikialrage said: GamerDLM said: I mean if you want the most concise answer it's because this accusation is simple. While collusion was really muddy because although they identified over 100 communications they couldn't pin point whether any of the information clearly could be defined as coordinating or conspiracy and they couldn't define the value of the information being exchanged. (They could have also used Obstruction of Justice but Pelosi was really against it and Congress in general just didn't act on it in a timely manner due to Barr literally lying in his summary). The affair he could just blame on his lawyer who made the payments so even though Trump is paying he had an easy scapegoat. Any allegation that came down to a He said She said just wouldn't be a strong enough case to justify impeachment. But the difference this time is this case is simple and to the point and all the extra details do is make it worse. Because it can be boiled down to 1 hard point, Trump personally asked a foreign power in his position as President for dirt on a political opponent and even released the transcript proving that he did that. It's the first time they can directly tie Trump to a verifiable action and none of his staff can cover for him. The problem is going to be Mitch McConnell could just never hold a trial in the Senate because there's no requirements for the Senate majority leader to do so except potential political suicide. But since McConnell literally has 0 shame political suicide is hardly a concern since it seems like Kentucky is so red it will keep electing him no matter what. Considering that you are gullible to believe that nonsense I got some ocean front property in Arizona and the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you. Do I believe that the accusation exists and the only document the white house released literally confirmed it? Yes. You'd have to be a moron or a shill not to given the thing they were actually accused of is transcribed in print and they just gave it out. |
GamerDLMOct 1, 2019 4:35 PM
| Day 2. The second American Civil war is already in full swing. Already I see my fellow confederate soldiers manning the line. I admit I'm nervous to fight the yanks, but at least i has enough macaroni and cheeses. The dems shoulda never impeached Trump, boy howdy! |
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--ALEX-- said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-poll-cbs-news-poll-finds-majority-of-americans-and-democrats-approve/ https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/new-polls-show-growing-support-for-impeachment-proceedings-70214213737 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/30/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-ukraine/index.html Right Wing Chuds: “tHe PoLlS aRe FaKe NeWs!!!!” ๐๐๐ For everyone else and my fellow libs...this is important because it shows that people are tired of Trump’s nonsense....his criminal behavior can’t be tolerated and at the very least history will show that at least a good amount of Americans wanted him ousted. Unfortunately...Trump’s cult members will NOT be moved...there is nothing Trump can do that will make them change their minds. I personally hope he gets impeached. I've been waiting to see the US collapsing into a civil war since I was 14. (or at the very least crumbling into a shithole) The democratic party, and especially lunatic morons like AOC, for us Europeans from across the ocean, look like mental clinic patients. And we're frankly speaking tired of the US poking its nose into our affairs all the time. So the faster the US, its economy, its borders, and its government is sent into a spiraling motion of self-destructive shitfest galore, the better. |
soigneerin said: Some other country country will take on its role once USA flops.--ALEX-- said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-poll-cbs-news-poll-finds-majority-of-americans-and-democrats-approve/ https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/new-polls-show-growing-support-for-impeachment-proceedings-70214213737 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/30/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-ukraine/index.html Right Wing Chuds: “tHe PoLlS aRe FaKe NeWs!!!!” ๐๐๐ For everyone else and my fellow libs...this is important because it shows that people are tired of Trump’s nonsense....his criminal behavior can’t be tolerated and at the very least history will show that at least a good amount of Americans wanted him ousted. Unfortunately...Trump’s cult members will NOT be moved...there is nothing Trump can do that will make them change their minds. I personally hope he gets impeached. I've been waiting to see the US collapsing into a civil war since I was 14. (or at the very least crumbling into a shithole) The democratic party, and especially lunatic morons like AOC, for us Europeans from across the ocean, look like mental clinic patients. And we're frankly speaking tired of the US poking its nose into our affairs all the time. So the faster the US, its economy, its borders, and its government is sent into a spiraling motion of self-destructive shitfest galore, the better. |
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Luchse said: soigneerin said: Some other country country will take on its role once USA flops.I personally hope he gets impeached. I've been waiting to see the US collapsing into a civil war since I was 14. (or at the very least crumbling into a shithole) The democratic party, and especially lunatic morons like AOC, for us Europeans from across the ocean, look like mental clinic patients. And we're frankly speaking tired of the US poking its nose into our affairs all the time. So the faster the US, its economy, its borders, and its government is sent into a spiraling motion of self-destructive shitfest galore, the better. Perfect. The transitioning period will provide for enough time to make all the necessary changes to the international system and finally get rid of the 20th century way of doing politics. |
deg said: even Fox News viewers are worried too about what Trump and the republicans are doing Fox News Poll: Voters are frustrated with government, nervous about economy https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voters-are-frustrated-with-government-nervous-about-economy this doesn't necessarily correlate that fox news viewers are worried about trump. you need to remember that fox news show hosts do an incredibly good job at freaking out their viewers that liberals are going to destroy the world. if anything that probably affirms their loyalty to trump since they're so scared of libearls stealing their guns and meat or whatever. but nonetheless, there are a handful of conservatives that are quite frankly done with trump, too. just i wouldn't think that fox news viewers are gonna be disapproving of trump anytime soon. |
Gan_water said: Day 2. The second American Civil war is already in full swing. don't get your hopes up, most trump supporters would never shoot or fight against cops or any other authoritative people powered by the state since they vehemently support said institutions so much. also he will never get removed from office anyways, unless something actually worthy of removal comes up. |
carseatheadrest said: Gan_water said: Day 2. The second American Civil war is already in full swing. don't get your hopes up, most trump supporters would never shoot or fight against cops or any other authoritative people powered by the state since they vehemently support said institutions so much. also he will never get removed from office anyways, unless something actually worthy of removal comes up. I agree that there's really no case against him, I'm pretty much having a laugh about it. |
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carseatheadrest said: Gan_water said: Day 2. The second American Civil war is already in full swing. don't get your hopes up, most trump supporters would never shoot or fight against cops or any other authoritative people powered by the state since they vehemently support said institutions so much. also he will never get removed from office anyways, unless something actually worthy of removal comes up. you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. |
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hazarddex said: carseatheadrest said: don't get your hopes up, most trump supporters would never shoot or fight against cops or any other authoritative people powered by the state since they vehemently support said institutions so much. also he will never get removed from office anyways, unless something actually worthy of removal comes up. you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. Andrew Jackson was impeached for treason and it doesn't even seem to matter for history, he's on the 20 for christ's sake But that's just it I don't think this will get that far on Trump |
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Gan_water said: hazarddex said: you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. Andrew Jackson was impeached for treason and it doesn't even seem to matter for history, he's on the 20 for christ's sake But that's just it I don't think this will get that far on Trump Nobody really knows why Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill though like it's actually a mystery. Originally Grover Cleveland was on the 20, but in 1928 the Treasury Department decided to put Jackson on it. The Department then kept no record of why it was changed which has also prompted people recently to try and put someone else on the bill. Like it's entirely possible they just put him on the bill to mock him because he was adamantly against paper money. |
GamerDLM said: Gan_water said: Andrew Jackson was impeached for treason and it doesn't even seem to matter for history, he's on the 20 for christ's sake But that's just it I don't think this will get that far on Trump Nobody really knows why Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill though like it's actually a mystery. Originally Grover Cleveland was on the 20, but in 1928 the Treasury Department decided to put Jackson on it. The Department then kept no record of why it was changed which has also prompted people recently to try and put someone else on the bill. Like it's entirely possible they just put him on the bill to mock him because he was adamantly against paper money. Could be but it is an honor nonetheless. Anyhow I sure hope they don't start putting Nixon on money hahah. |
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hazarddex said: carseatheadrest said: don't get your hopes up, most trump supporters would never shoot or fight against cops or any other authoritative people powered by the state since they vehemently support said institutions so much. also he will never get removed from office anyways, unless something actually worthy of removal comes up. you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. clinton wasn't removed, he just got impeached. he got acquitted at the senate. which is prob what will happen with trump if the house decides to go through with impeachment proceedings. |
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carseatheadrest said: hazarddex said: you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. clinton wasn't removed, he just got impeached. he got acquitted at the senate. which is prob what will happen with trump if the house decides to go through with impeachment proceedings. regardless point still stands people have been impeached for less. Gan_water said: hazarddex said: you say that as if presidents haven't been removed for less. please remember we had a president who had been removed over his sex life. Andrew Jackson was impeached for treason and it doesn't even seem to matter for history, he's on the 20 for christ's sake But that's just it I don't think this will get that far on Trump huh? i was talking about bill who was impeached for lying about his sex life of all things. |
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hazarddex said: huh? i was talking about bill who was impeached for lying about his sex life of all things. I realize that Dex I was just contrasting another example to show that actually impeachment isn't always such a huge slight on a politician's record. |
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| I don't think it's going to happen, however I have noticed that unlike Nixon or Clinton (yes they were both impeached, Nixon resigned before it could go through and Bill talked his way out of it), Trump fucking knows he's guilty. He's lashing out like an angry teenager at EVERYONE. Nixon did this too and was guilty but was smart enough to resign, Bill had his wife telling him what to say to get out of it. It's a really, really bad look for you when you get indicted, there's talk of impeachment, and you start saying things like "IT'S ALL BULLSHIT" and "ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?" when asked what the "favor" was. |
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Vorpality said: I don't think it's going to happen, however I have noticed that unlike Nixon or Clinton (yes they were both impeached, Nixon resigned before it could go through and Bill talked his way out of it), Trump fucking knows he's guilty. He's lashing out like an angry teenager at EVERYONE. Nixon did this too and was guilty but was smart enough to resign, Bill had his wife telling him what to say to get out of it. It's a really, really bad look for you when you get indicted, there's talk of impeachment, and you start saying things like "IT'S ALL BULLSHIT" and "ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?" when asked what the "favor" was. Considering that you spend your entire presidency being witch-hunted for bullshit reasons, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to call out bullshit when it is bullshit. But hey, orange man bad no matter what he says or does, so who cares? |
Vorpality said: I don't think it's going to happen, however I have noticed that unlike Nixon or Clinton (yes they were both impeached, Nixon resigned before it could go through and Bill talked his way out of it), Trump fucking knows he's guilty. He's lashing out like an angry teenager at EVERYONE. Nixon did this too and was guilty but was smart enough to resign, Bill had his wife telling him what to say to get out of it. It's a really, really bad look for you when you get indicted, there's talk of impeachment, and you start saying things like "IT'S ALL BULLSHIT" and "ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?" when asked what the "favor" was. It also doesn't help that he literally went on camera and did the thing he was being accused of again yesterday. Like maybe he thought asking for dirt on a political opponent in public was somehow less corrupt than over the phone because he did it during his campaign. But he really shot himself in the foot there. |
soigneerin said: Vorpality said: I don't think it's going to happen, however I have noticed that unlike Nixon or Clinton (yes they were both impeached, Nixon resigned before it could go through and Bill talked his way out of it), Trump fucking knows he's guilty. He's lashing out like an angry teenager at EVERYONE. Nixon did this too and was guilty but was smart enough to resign, Bill had his wife telling him what to say to get out of it. It's a really, really bad look for you when you get indicted, there's talk of impeachment, and you start saying things like "IT'S ALL BULLSHIT" and "ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?" when asked what the "favor" was. Considering that you spend your entire presidency being witch-hunted for bullshit reasons, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to call out bullshit when it is bullshit. But hey, orange man bad no matter what he says or does, so who cares? The problem with that is whatever may or may not have been true in the past, he's proven guilty now. Like @GamerDLM said, there's video and audio of it. Personally as much as I can't stand the man, I don't want him impeached because Pence would be so, so, sooooooooo much worse. |
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Vorpality said: The problem with that is whatever may or may not have been true in the past, he's proven guilty now. Like @GamerDLM said, there's video and audio of it. lmao Well then, I suppose "knee-jerk" is the new "smart" in the US society. Good to hear, the faster that country will collapse, I guess. |
soigneerin said: Vorpality said: The problem with that is whatever may or may not have been true in the past, he's proven guilty now. Like @GamerDLM said, there's video and audio of it. lmao Well then, I suppose "knee-jerk" is the new "smart" in the US society. Good to hear, the faster that country will collapse, I guess. I don't think you know what "knee-jerk" means. |
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| @Kyotosomo Your first paragraph only has 1 factual statement, everything else about it is wrong. While Impeachment polling has had a notable spike in favor amongst Democrats even Independents and Republicans also had a notable increase after the scandal broke. His approval ratings have also not hit an all time high, that is just a flat out lie, they're hovering around the low 40s right now which is the same exact position they were in back in February. Major polls also haven't had a notable update since September 20th so it's possible that the fact they were unchanged is because the scandal wasn't accounted for yet. Bill Clinton had a much more controversial impeachment because, as discussed in this thread, an affair with an employee is hardly comparable to say Nixon or Andrew Jackson's impeachments. Abuse of power is considered a high crime which is the thing he's being accused of as the primary focus of the impeachment inquiry and has frankly done a terrible job circumventing. Again he literally went up to reporters and did the thing he was being accused of on camera. Which is telling Ukraine to open an investigation into Joe Biden except he also decided to add China because why not? The ironic thing about your fourth paragraph is he's literally being accused of working with foreign governments to dig up dirt on a political opponent (again) so they used the Impeachment Inquiry in response to that. Like it's a hell of a double standard if you think they should just ignore his abuse of power. |
GamerDLMOct 4, 2019 6:12 PM
| I'm against all the impeachment advocacy because it only supports what his campaign is built on, which will aid him, and I don't like trump. Seriously, it's so obvious it makes me think these people are actually on his side, actually support corporatism, and this political democracy is just a stage show. hmm |
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Kyotosomo said: @GamerDLM Lol I'm amazed at the amount of bullshit you just spit out in that post. Clearly some big long post isn't going to change your mind so I'll just quickly reiterate the fact that all the smart Democratic politicians at the top have been against impeachment. I'm pretty sure they know more about what they're doing than some random dude on the internet whose delusional thoughts on the matter are driven purely by emotion and a deep rooted anger for Trump rather than actual rationality or what the best move politically would be for the Democratic party. This is why we need actual adults like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to keep the children in check otherwise the whole party will crumble. But you're actively praising Nancy Pelosi when she made the call to start the inquiry as a result of this scandal. Which all that really implies to me is you have no interest in the current scandal and just wanted to rant with easily disprovable claims. Which would literally be the epitome of leading with a big long emotional post that contains no substance showing your mind can't be changed by context or facts. Even in this post "I'm pretty sure they know more about what they're doing than some random dude on the internet" you literally just wrote 4 paragraphs as some random dude on the internet telling them how to do their job. |
GamerDLMOct 4, 2019 6:32 PM
| @Kyotosomo That's a huge leap to assume that's her motivation and not that it's directly in response to the whistleblower scandal. Based on the way you praise her you should know first hand she's not one to throw around anything relating to Impeachment without careful consideration and this scandal clearly warranted it. For the last half you see that's the issue with your claim, the very first thing you did in your prior post was reference polls to describe people's feelings about the current impeachment issue. I pointed out how that is factually wrong and in particular impeachment support from Independents has almost risen back to the highest point since he took office (with the highest point being 43.4% in September 2018 and the current measure being as high as 42.8% with more elements of the scandal being added daily). I would also argue just the opposite result. The fastest thing that kills a Republican candidacy is voter turnout. If the house does move on with the Impeachment proceedings and McConnell say chooses not to hold a trial or if Republicans stick to their guns instead of defecting, that just means the Democratic base has more fuel to make sure he's voted out of office in 2020. Especially if Pelosi believes they have enough hard evidence that even the most aggressive Republican mental gymnasts can't overturn every piece of evidence. |
Kyotosomo said: I mean there'd at least be some chance if he actually committed some sort of major crime but he hasn't even committed ANY crime (that can be proven in a court of law at least). ....asking another country's government to spy on your own is literal Treason. Also; https://www.needtoimpeach.com/impeachable-offenses/profiting-from-presidency/ |
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Vorpality said: Kyotosomo said: I mean there'd at least be some chance if he actually committed some sort of major crime but he hasn't even committed ANY crime (that can be proven in a court of law at least). ....asking another country's government to spy on your own is literal Treason. For as far as libtards are concerned, Trump breathing air is literal treason. I see nothing worthy of impeachment in that act. It doesn't threaten the security of the country, the nation, or its citizens. The only thing it threatens is the career of fatcats aligned with the democratic party. But if you were a true liberal, you'd actually be welcoming of the idea of making fatcats' lives harder. |
soigneerin said: For as far as libtards are concerned, Trump breathing air is literal treason. I see nothing worthy of impeachment in that act. It doesn't threaten the security of the country, the nation, or its citizens. The only thing it threatens is the career of fatcats aligned with the democratic party. But if you were a true liberal, you'd actually be welcoming of the idea of making fatcats' lives harder. TIL asking another country to investigate a citizen doesn't effect the citizens. That's some next level mental gymnastics. |
GamerDLM said: soigneerin said: For as far as libtards are concerned, Trump breathing air is literal treason. I see nothing worthy of impeachment in that act. It doesn't threaten the security of the country, the nation, or its citizens. The only thing it threatens is the career of fatcats aligned with the democratic party. But if you were a true liberal, you'd actually be welcoming of the idea of making fatcats' lives harder. TIL asking another country to investigate a citizen doesn't effect the citizens. That's some next level mental gymnastics. I'm happy that you know acronyms like TIL but don't know how to spell "affect" correctly. Asking to investigate your citizen is not treason. Intelligence agencies and police do this all the time and exchange information between various states, i.e. Interpol or direct peer-to-peer FSB/FBI exchange of Intel happens, happened, and will continue happening. |
soigneerin said: GamerDLM said: TIL asking another country to investigate a citizen doesn't effect the citizens. That's some next level mental gymnastics. I'm happy that you know acronyms like TIL but don't know how to spell "affect" correctly. Asking to investigate your citizen is not treason. Intelligence agencies and police do this all the time and exchange information between various states, i.e. Interpol or direct peer-to-peer FSB/FBI exchange of Intel happens, happened, and will continue happening. Yes except there are particular protocols that they have to follow. In particular in the case of Ukraine as part of our treaty with them the Attorney General is the central figurehead in organizing investigations and he has to be extremely specific in exactly what he is requesting of them, or they have to be extremely specific in what information they want. The fact that Trump is the one initiating the investigation is already a power overreach and it's only made worse by the fact that he was working with his personal lawyer as a liaison. Because at that point he's clearly using the office for personal gain in regards to his campaign. If people wanted to argue he's just a patriot tackling corruption then Rudy Giuliani should have never been involved and Barr should be the figurehead in all of this. To go back to the central point whether it's treason depends on how the investigation would be carried out. If the Ukraine bypassed the attorney general or tried to obtain information through illegitimate means then it could be treason because the president encouraged a breach in the security of the citizens. As it stands now it's just an abuse of power and potential misuse of public funds both of which are equally as impeachable. |
GamerDLMOct 7, 2019 11:00 AM
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