Boku no Hero Academia Chapter 213 Discussion

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KatsutoSaki said:
While I do get your frustration over this development, I'd recommend you to refrain from taking it out during a discussion, since it is rather meaningless.

Hey, I was trying to be sarcastic. Apparently, it failed big time. What I meant was that Gentle was a weak villain. That's all. Admitted, I was a bit surprised, but I was not frustrated. On the contrary, I am hyped. I am the biggest fan of this show in the entire damn thread.

Jan 21, 2019 8:19 PM

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That's probably the dumbest thing about this. It literally means no previous user actually had the true power of OFA. It's like they existed as the stepping stones for Deku. All of them worked hard their entire life only for Deku to receive the ultimate power.

Yes, no previous user really had any power of OFA, it was just a weak quirk in the beginning. All of the successors worked hard and passed it on to the next generation, it was like this from the beginning. And All Might benefited from this too. My only question/problem is why this "expansion" took place when it only came to Midoriya's turn? Why not All Might? That's the only thing I want to know. The successors were always a stepping stone...

Plus, the villains in this series are too weak seriously. While Midoriya was always supposed to be OP at the end... Even right now I just can't think of any villain that's strong enough to take on Midoriya except All For One or those Nomu. Like Midoriya even defeated Gentle at 20%, which was very stupid according to me. Anyways... there's a long way for Midoriya to reach 100%. Let's see what happens later on like you know about his rivals, etc.

Going by the explanation, the extra powers were never intended to be used. They were a thing that existed but more as a tiny remnant located at the deepest depths of the power unable to be accessed until now in a sort of mutation. Its not that Deku himself unlocked the powers but the timing itself, it has to do with the "Quirk Singularity" that's been mentioned several times, by the original wielder himself and during that time with all the children Bakugo & Todorki babysat. Something is happening with quirks, they are going stronger with every generation, like they are building up to something & it just happened to coincide with Deku's role as the holder.

Plus I think the villains are gonna do fine. With the de-quirk bullets, Nomu research, and AFO's survival they should advance themselves with good time. The fact High End is a Nomu with intelligence means they are perfecting the process of giving a person multiple quirks without driving them insane.

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Jan 22, 2019 1:17 AM

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Its not that Deku himself unlocked the powers but the timing itself, it has to do with the "Quirk Singularity" that's been mentioned several times, by the original wielder himself and during that time with all the children Bakugo & Todorki babysat. Something is happening with quirks, they are going stronger with every generation, like they are building up to something & it just happened to coincide with Deku's role as the holder.

Damn. I didn't remember that. Gotta go back to read the chapter.

Edit: the whole concept of quirk singularity is trippy as hell. no idea wtf it means.

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Plus I think the villains are gonna do fine. With the de-quirk bullets, Nomu research, and AFO's survival they should advance themselves with good time. The fact High End is a Nomu with intelligence means they are perfecting the process of giving a person multiple quirks without driving them insane.

Sometimes I forgot Nomus were actual human. I guess Endeavor killed a person then. What a shame.

Edit: Honestly, after re-reading a few chapters, I hope Deku is not gonna keep these quirks. He will give all six quirks to other people (Mirio?) and use only the superman power of OFA like he has always done.

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Jan 22, 2019 6:11 AM

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This looks like the beginning of the end for the series.
A protagonist that is already overpowered gets 6 new quirks, so now it's impossible for anyone to even try to compete against him anymore.
Hard works means shit now, welcome to Naruto 2.0. SMH.

Jan 22, 2019 8:40 AM

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i like how it kind of links to way back in the sports festival, where 'people' were able to free midoriya from shinso's brainwashing. this has the potential to be a pretty interesting development, though i hope midoriya have to sacrifice something for all these new quirks. otherwise, man's just gon be a mary sue.

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is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps?

Jan 22, 2019 9:26 PM

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Hmm, I've got mixed feelings about this. Granted, how these additional quirks will come into play depends on the execution, it feels very tacked on while not implausible since One for All is technically a quirk that can be passed down, so it makes sense that the quirks of the previous owners if they had any get passed down as well.

There's definitely the chance that this could get to insane levels of power escalation relegating everyone else to the side and I personally would hate for it to come to it so I'll remain hopeful and trust that Horikoshi knows what he's doing.

One of the things I love about Deku is how empathetic of a character he is, his struggles were relatable, heartfelt and personal. Watching him overcome barrier after barrier, trying his very best and staying true to his heroic ideals was so very endearing for me. Deku's humble beginnings were full of heart that made his character someone I could identify with and root for wholeheartedly. My biggest fear to come out of this chapter is not that it'll make Deku OP but that it may just destroy the connection I have with this character by turning him into some LN protagonist who gets everything handed to him or someone with seemingly instant easy solutions to the situation at hand. I know people were talking about these quirks possibly giving Deku strategic advantages and not directly giving him power but I guess my point is, where's the fun in that? If he can just use that one quirk that can solve the scenario where's the craftiness? One of the most enjoyable things about the series is how the majority of the characters have to make the most of what they have. They can only strengthen what they already have, not randomly gain new completely unrelated powers. Deku was in fact the biggest proprietor of that mindset cause he had to figure out ways to make the most of his power that he couldn't control or use to it's full extent. It's what made all his victories so satisfying and so endearing, to see him go so far as to sacrifice his own body to save people, it's that kind of heroism that gives life to this series. To give him additional quirks just feels counter intuitive towards everything that has happened so far to his character, it feels like he's cheated his way to the top because he gets to have something no one else can which is again very counter intuitive to what the show was built on - him having nothing. The opening line of BnHA is "People are not born equal", it feels like the meaning of that line in the beginning was just turned around completely.

I have my reservations about this but I'll remain hopeful, my worries might just be for naught if Horikoshi can find a creative way to make it work but as of now I still don't how. Here's to hoping for the best.

Jan 23, 2019 7:06 AM

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One of the things I love about Deku is how empathetic of a character he is, his struggles were relatable, heartfelt and personal. Watching him overcome barrier after barrier, trying his very best and staying true to his heroic ideals was so very endearing for me. Deku's humble beginnings were full of heart that made his character someone I could identify with and root for wholeheartedly. My biggest fear to come out of this chapter is not that it'll make Deku OP but that it may just destroy the connection I have with this character by turning him into some LN protagonist who gets everything handed to him or someone with seemingly instant easy solutions to the situation at hand. I know people were talking about these quirks possibly giving Deku strategic advantages and not directly giving him power but I guess my point is, where's the fun in that? If he can just use that one quirk that can solve the scenario where's the craftiness? One of the most enjoyable things about the series is how the majority of the characters have to make the most of what they have. They can only strengthen what they already have, not randomly gain new completely unrelated powers. Deku was in fact the biggest proprietor of that mindset cause he had to figure out ways to make the most of his power that he couldn't control or use to it's full extent. It's what made all his victories so satisfying and so endearing, to see him go so far as to sacrifice his own body to save people, it's that kind of heroism that gives life to this series. To give him additional quirks just feels counter intuitive towards everything that has happened so far to his character, it feels like he's cheated his way to the top because he gets to have something no one else can which is again very counter intuitive to what the show was built on - him having nothing. The opening line of BnHA is "People are not born equal", it feels like the meaning of that line in the beginning was just turned around completely.

Best post of the whole thread, summed up the whole problem with this chapter which some fans seem to willfully ignore for whatever reason. Doesn't matter whether it's foreshadowed from chapter 1 or chapter 200, the whole idea seems forced to the ideals of the series so far.

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Jan 23, 2019 7:42 AM

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We don't even know what the other quirks can do.

Wasn't one of them a OFA boosted regeneration quirk?

Jan 23, 2019 11:32 AM

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This whole time I thought One for All was only given to Quirkless individuals. Since the strength of a peak human stacked seven times would clearly equal super-strength. But it makes a lot more sense that he'd be able to use the Quirks that accumulated within One for All. I'm hoping that it takes him time to be able to use each Quirk, as well as time to master it so that Izuku doesn't end up Dragon Ball Super-levels of powerful in a world with X-Men level characters.

Jan 23, 2019 3:13 PM

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This whole time I thought One for All was only given to Quirkless individuals. Since the strength of a peak human stacked seven times would clearly equal super-strength. But it makes a lot more sense that he'd be able to use the Quirks that accumulated within One for All. I'm hoping that it takes him time to be able to use each Quirk, as well as time to master it so that Izuku doesn't end up Dragon Ball Super-levels of powerful in a world with X-Men level characters.

Dragon Ball Super is a bit harsh honestly. Now that is a laughingstock of a power system and character power progression.

Jan 23, 2019 3:16 PM

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Dragon Ball Super is a bit harsh honestly. Now that is a laughingstock of a power system and character power progression.

True. Super got way too out of hand.

Jan 24, 2019 6:44 PM

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Hype for chapter 214, boys?

Jan 25, 2019 9:33 AM

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No doubt the Naruto 2.0 just like the above user mentioned

Jan 26, 2019 5:33 AM

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Just gonna give my two cents and say that I think this was unnecessary. OFA is an already OP quirk. He hasn't even fully mastered OFA yet (Only 20%) and he's already the strongest in his class. And now he'll be getting six other quirks, that are even stronger versions than what the previous users had? That's some major power creep. There won't be anyone in his class that can compete with him, and I see no real reason why villains won't be a cakewalk.

People are seriously spouting this garbage ignoring the fact that Deku still lost even with OfA? Its never really benefited him to make it an instant win button.

Lost to who exactly?

Jan 26, 2019 12:56 PM

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Devil_Food said:

I love how people are just making assumptions based on nothing now as if Deku didn't already get beaten by both of them.

Yea he lost when all for one was far from being at full power, and before he got 6 extra quirks, that's a huge difference.

He passed his test with his first usage of OfA.....

Jan 26, 2019 1:53 PM

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Devil_Food said:

People are seriously spouting this garbage ignoring the fact that Deku still lost even with OfA? Its never really benefited him to make it an instant win button.

Lost to who exactly?

Todoroki and Bakugou

Jan 26, 2019 1:54 PM

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BlossomBurst said:
This whole time I thought One for All was only given to Quirkless individuals. Since the strength of a peak human stacked seven times would clearly equal super-strength. But it makes a lot more sense that he'd be able to use the Quirks that accumulated within One for All. I'm hoping that it takes him time to be able to use each Quirk, as well as time to master it so that Izuku doesn't end up Dragon Ball Super-levels of powerful in a world with X-Men level characters.

They literally state early on that the previous wielders had quirks.

Jan 26, 2019 8:15 PM

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So endgame deku should essentially be a smarter all might with even stronger one for all, and 6 other super charged quirks.

I guess we'll be seeing bakugo cry again.

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Devil_Food said:

BlossomBurst said:
This whole time I thought One for All was only given to Quirkless individuals. Since the strength of a peak human stacked seven times would clearly equal super-strength. But it makes a lot more sense that he'd be able to use the Quirks that accumulated within One for All. I'm hoping that it takes him time to be able to use each Quirk, as well as time to master it so that Izuku doesn't end up Dragon Ball Super-levels of powerful in a world with X-Men level characters.

They literally state early on that the previous wielders had quirks.

Nope, all might just made an off hand comment that his mentor had a quirk around chapter 40. As far as we knew at the time she could've been the only one.

Jan 27, 2019 3:32 AM

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Devil_Food said:

They literally state early on that the previous wielders had quirks.

Nope, all might just made an off hand comment that his mentor had a quirk around chapter 40. As far as we knew at the time she could've been the only one.

The first wielder had a quirk if he didn't OfA wouldn't have came to. There was nothing to even infer that the rest of the users were also quirkless unless you can't read.

Jan 27, 2019 3:34 AM

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Lost to who exactly?

Todoroki and Bakugou

I figured this was what you'd refer to, in which case, my point still stands; Deku, as of now, is the strongest in his class, this isn't up for debate. Your examples are cases where he was still barely getting the hang of his power. Even then Bakugo struggled with just 5% of OFA, image how the fight will go now that Deku can use 20% of OFA + Black Whip, it's a no brainer who'd win.

Jan 27, 2019 4:51 AM

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Devil_Food said:

Todoroki and Bakugou

I figured this was what you'd refer to, in which case, my point still stands; Deku, as of now, is the strongest in his class, this isn't up for debate. Your examples are cases where he was still barely getting the hang of his power. Even then Bakugo struggled with just 5% of OFA, image how the fight will go now that Deku can use 20% of OFA + Black Whip, it's a no brainer who'd win.

He still us barely getting teh hang of his power. He lost to Todoroki at 100%. He can't do 20% that's the limit before breaking his bones but can manage 8% fine to which he still lost against Bakugou. On top the fact he's last in the class for quirk application. You guys are just jumping the gun as usual.

Jan 27, 2019 1:11 PM

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I figured this was what you'd refer to, in which case, my point still stands; Deku, as of now, is the strongest in his class, this isn't up for debate. Your examples are cases where he was still barely getting the hang of his power. Even then Bakugo struggled with just 5% of OFA, image how the fight will go now that Deku can use 20% of OFA + Black Whip, it's a no brainer who'd win.

He still us barely getting teh hang of his power. He lost to Todoroki at 100%. He can't do 20% that's the limit before breaking his bones but can manage 8% fine to which he still lost against Bakugou. On top the fact he's last in the class for quirk application. You guys are just jumping the gun as usual.

He is still getting the hang of his powers, but that's not the point here; Deku as of now is a lot stronger than he was then, so it makes no sense to use the Todoroki/Bakugo fights as examples when Deku is a lot different from then.

20% is his current limit, he can't do passed that but he can use it for a short period of time (As seen against Overhaul). That, and he doesn't always have to bring out 20% (As seen in Gentle).

Jan 27, 2019 2:46 PM

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He still us barely getting teh hang of his power. He lost to Todoroki at 100%. He can't do 20% that's the limit before breaking his bones but can manage 8% fine to which he still lost against Bakugou. On top the fact he's last in the class for quirk application. You guys are just jumping the gun as usual.

He is still getting the hang of his powers, but that's not the point here; Deku as of now is a lot stronger than he was then, so it makes no sense to use the Todoroki/Bakugo fights as examples when Deku is a lot different from then.

Guess what? So are virtually every character in the manga.

20% is his current limit, he can't do passed that but he can use it for a short period of time (As seen against Overhaul).

And he failed meaning its not very reliable

Jan 27, 2019 3:37 PM

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Silver_06 said:

He is still getting the hang of his powers, but that's not the point here; Deku as of now is a lot stronger than he was then, so it makes no sense to use the Todoroki/Bakugo fights as examples when Deku is a lot different from then.

Guess what? So are virtually every character in the manga.

20% is his current limit, he can't do passed that but he can use it for a short period of time (As seen against Overhaul).

And he failed meaning its not very reliable

If you think anyone in his class is going to match Deku with his current strength, I don't know what to tell you.

Not sure what that second point is for, I said he's the strongest in his class, not the whole series.

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Devil_Food said:

Guess what? So are virtually every character in the manga.

And he failed meaning its not very reliable

If you think anyone in his class is going to match Deku with his current strength, I don't know what to tell you.

Not sure what that second point is for, I said he's the strongest in his class, not the whole series.

So all you're doing is jumping the gun I see.

Jan 27, 2019 6:50 PM

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Nope, all might just made an off hand comment that his mentor had a quirk around chapter 40. As far as we knew at the time she could've been the only one.

The first wielder had a quirk if he didn't OfA wouldn't have came to. There was nothing to even infer that the rest of the users were also quirkless unless you can't read.

I was mostly referring to the people after the first guy. By “quirkless,” I meant “Belen without one for all”

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Nope, all might just made an off hand comment that his mentor had a quirk around chapter 40. As far as we knew at the time she could've been the only one.

The first wielder had a quirk if he didn't OfA wouldn't have came to. There was nothing to even infer that the rest of the users were also quirkless unless you can't read.

I was mostly referring to the people after the first guy. By “quirkless,” I meant “born without one for all”

Jan 27, 2019 8:56 PM

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Devil_Food said:

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Nope, all might just made an off hand comment that his mentor had a quirk around chapter 40. As far as we knew at the time she could've been the only one.

The first wielder had a quirk if he didn't OfA wouldn't have came to. There was nothing to even infer that the rest of the users were also quirkless unless you can't read.

I never said there was, you said that it was stated the previous wielders had quirks. The first wielder had a quirk that became one for all, he never had a quirk in addition to it. Work on your reading comprehension I guess.

Jan 28, 2019 2:56 AM

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