| No Japanese people are polite and kind |
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| i dunno bro, ikaros-chan is pretty nice aria k-on etc |
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| It worries me that you're asking this question based on what you've seen in cartoons. |
| As someone who has lived in Japan for 12 years: tragedydesu said: Japanese people are polite and kind And yes there are instances of bullying in Japanese schools. Then again, bullying happens in every school... |
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| Japanese people are polite and kind... to their elders or superiors that is, all hell will break loss with Nippon kids that are the same age writing "KYS" in Japanese on the desk of a kid they want to bully- wait what's that? Only in Anime? Oh... |
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Kuraokani said: Lololol love it man! Hahaha! Thx for that sure mate, sounded like you needed some niceness you know edit: quit triple posting lol |
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| Characters in anime (manga, light novels) are usually rude only when it is necessary in order to develop the plot or make something happen. Authors are kinda forcing the situation. Otherwise characters are quite polite and even people from other worlds (say hello to isekai) have better idea how to behave than most of us. As for the bullying, it's hard to say, but it is said that Japanese society is somehow reluctant to intervene in cases of abuse, seeing it as private dispute, and it is source of great shame to call police to solve domestic abuse. I suppose same apply to bullying. |
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| Characters are made rude in anime for plot purposes and to fill the places of the different character archetypes. In the context of a high-school anime, the one opposition of the protagonist that is the easiest to universally understand is a bully. Generally, bullies (in anime) have the strong and "looming" personality, but inside they have other issues, yada yada. If Japan makes anime more realistic then I s2g most of the characters would be extremely polite (the whole "sumimasen, sumimasen" thing) and the popular students would basically be all-rounds, personality-wise and academics-wise. That wouldn't appeal to the audience though, because it is very toned-down. The point of anime is an escape from reality, and under the assumption that the creators' demographic is Japanese students in middle school, or high school, the more entertaining show would be the one more different from reality. Their reality, at least, considering cultural differences. |
| Japanese people that are rude are outcasts, and are looked down upon. However, they tend to get rude when you disregard their traditions and way of living. |
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Kuraokani said: So if you know it's not an accurate representation, why ask? It's obvious Japanese people aren't innately rude.Dendritik said: I already stated that I know anime isn't a accurate representation of Japanese culture. I put that first to avoid comments like yours. I even said why I'm asking these questions. It worries me that you're asking this question based on what you've seen in cartoons. Here is a link to a article though. Just in case you would like to be better informed. If you would like more examples, feel free to let me know. |
Kuraokani said: I want to start by saying that I know the Japan and its culture that you see in anime is not always a accurate representation of real Japanese people and their culture. Things can be over exaggerated in anime just as things can be over exaggerated in Hollywood. The reason I have this question is because I've seen people talk about this same sort of thing. How anime (realistic) has a certain amount of realism to make the situations more relatable. Now that that's out of the way... let's get to it. I ....…….......... Are Japanese people innately rude? As I watch more and more anime, I'm noticing a certain trend. That trend being that the people (characters) have no filter. They say whatever they are thinking regardless of the environment or company their in (especially in school anime). I've also noticed that there's a lot of bulling in anime that takes place in school. Is bullying more common in Japan? Do people not speak out for the weak? Japanese people would rather stay to themselves rather than get involved If you don't mind, remember that I don't actually think this stuff happens. I'd just like to know more about the "culture", if you could call it that. A quick search on bulling in Japan and you'll find that it more or less as common as in other countries, but it's more severe. Here's a link to a starter article https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21720643-evacuees-fukushima-are-latest-suffer-torment-class-why-bullying-japanese-schools Yes, there is even this concept called "Honne" and "Tatemae" in Japanese. "Honne" is literally means Real Sound, as if their real feelings/thoughts. "Tatemae" is what they show outside or what they should show to represent you/your company. It's somewhat of a norm, especially in Japanese business world. That's why there is this "Nomikai" thing where you and your coworker go drinking together after work. It's the only time you can voice your "Honne". I imagine Japs is full of "fake people". There is even a popular place for suicide. Iirc it's called Aoki Gahara??? And yeah, bullying is pretty severe in Japan for what I heard too. So, are they innately rude? Still, it's depend on the individual but I imagine, yeah. Since unlike western culture, they mostly bottled up their feelings and generally avoid any conflict. Like, you act nice in front of the person, but then trash talk them behind their back to other cowoker. I'd work in Japan for three months before and I witnessed back and forth how A actually dislike B, and B actually dislike C and so on. Which is both interesting and baffling. I thought it's just part of their culture. And I learned this term called "Happa Bijin", that means "Fake beautiful person", that means people pleaser, who please people but then who knows what they are actually think inside. They kind of have severe need to be accepted in society. And when you don't, you'll be subject to bullying. |
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| As far as I know, Japan's Education system almost looks like "filtering the weak out" According to Mitsuru Taki of the Ministry of Education, bullying in other countries tends to involve two or three pupils picking on another. In Japan, in contrast, most cases involve a big portion of a class inflicting insistent psychological (and occasionally physical) torment on a single victim. “Bullies in Japan are not rotten apples,” he says. “It is a group phenomenon.” I think the problem lies would due to the hierarchy status of people in Japan, that they want to protect. Like teachers who would probably feel "threaten" if he ever so a bullying that occurs but doesn't have the power to stop it because it involves many people, thus what he can do is just be silent or feign ignorance about it. Now I'm wondering how the parents can just sit still here. No... Both parent's side seems to be just doing nothing if you ask me... There are many reasons for this idiosyncratic form of bullying. “A characteristic of Japan is that you should not stand out,” argues the head teacher of a secondary school in Tokyo. “Pupils have to lead a collective life when they are at school,” adds Koju Matsubayashi, an official in the anti-bullying department at the ministry. Erika, an 18-year-old who left her school in Tokyo after being bullied, agrees. “I was told by teachers to adapt or quit, so I quit.” In Phi, this is true; from our uniform, the fact that we have one classroom and we basically just sit there for like 7 hrs or so. Ohhh well, not that I care since ever since I was a child I didn't really care about the class, I more less care on my own. Thus, they left me behind. I think this where it lies, there are a lot of people who just can't adapt to his/her surroundings, and I think society ought to understand that. I mean, do you want to see a kid who's parents was killed and suddenly burst laughter or the most happiest in class? Fuck I'd call the ambulance. The way Japanese schools are organised adds to the pressure to conform. Children learn in a “homeroom”: teachers of different subjects come to them. School activities, such as cleaning, eating lunch and studying, are organised in groups. Pupils must often adhere to exact rules about their uniforms, hairstyles and grooming. Individuals who do not kuuki wo yomu (roughly translated as “read the vibes”) can be shunned by other members of the class. Ohh well, I myself feels trapped when I was in Phi for that 1 class and sit there for like 7 hrs. I mean come on, who wouldn't? Ohhh well now that you mentioned it, my Chemistry Labs are always done by me, but I have one of the best data... Ohh well, I can do just anything by myself anyway... Japanese students are among the top performers academically I can see why... If you don't want to be weed-out in Japan, you ought to study :/ Teachers rarely help. They are renowned for their pedagogical prowess, especially in maths. But most are not trained to spot bullying. There are few incentives to notice or deal with it, notes Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch (HRW). Teachers who do not achieve harmony, she says, are seen as poor performers. One survey suggests that around 12% of teachers have taken part in bullying. A quarter of high schools allow corporal punishment. Such a great irony. I wonder if teachers in Japan didn't just start off as student but suddenly became a teacher because of God's will. This is just what I feel, but in education, the first who would help a student is the teacher. Quite funny that it seems that teachers in Japan is not human but a mere robot whose job is to just teach. Ohh wait... There are who notices it but then got shackled by society... Good job Japan! You're doing things right! Indeed! I agree! Or gay pupils. A report last year by HRW concluded that bullying of gay children in Japanese schools was “nearly ubiquitous”. It cited a survey by Yasuharu Hidaka of Takarazuka University that found that 44% of gay teenage boys were bullied. One told HRW that teachers said his sexuality broke the harmony of the school. Separate research by Mr Hidaka suggests that roughly one Japanese teacher in three thinks homosexuality is a mental illness. I see... No wonder why.... I can see that happening... I feel bad for them but Japan doesn't think so... :/ “It is painful,” he said through his parents, “but please do not choose to die.” I can see why the last resort of students who are under extreme bullying may choose to just die. Ohh well, I mean why wouldn't they when no one will stop it and it will just escalate? Even sensei don't care... :/ |
| You hear about a case of bullying in Japanese news weekly or bi-weekly these days and a lot of it is from teachers as well. |
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SHOCKJOHNSON said: Shicchi said: I imagine Japs is full of "fake people". Do you mind not using the word "Jap". It's still considered an offensive term. omg I'm so sorry I wasn't aware!!!!!!!!! I just wrote japs because I was lazy to type it in full....... orz Maybe I came off as a japanese people/culture hater but no. I find them interesting. Hell I'm studying it at univ. So no, I wrote japs not as an insult, I wasn't aware it has negative connotation to it |
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| japanese has really strong herd mentality... they will polite as long it fits with their herd or not involved, but as soon you actually goes inside the herd and stand out, you will forced to follow it... you think japan is some kind heaven? think again... this is also apply to most eastern society... we are not individualist free, but socialist judgemental... |
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Kuraokani said: Shicchi said: Ah, so you witnessed this stuff firsthand? Yes, there is even this concept called "Honne" and "Tatemae" in Japanese. "Honne" is literally means Real Sound, as if their real feelings/thoughts. "Tatemae" is what they show outside or what they should show to represent you/your company. It's somewhat of a norm, especially in Japanese business world. That's why there is this "Nomikai" thing where you and your coworker go drinking together after work. It's the only time you can voice your "Honne". I imagine Japs is full of "fake people". There is even a popular place for suicide. Iirc it's called Aoki Gahara??? And yeah, bullying is pretty severe in Japan for what I heard too. So, are they innately rude? Still, it's depend on the individual but I imagine, yeah. Since unlike western culture, they mostly bottled up their feelings and generally avoid any conflict. Like, you act nice in front of the person, but then trash talk them behind their back to other cowoker. I'd work in Japan for three months before and I witnessed back and forth how A actually dislike B, and B actually dislike C and so on. Which is both interesting and baffling. I thought it's just part of their culture. And I learned this term called "Happa Bijin", that means "Fake beautiful person", that means people pleaser, who please people but then who knows what they are actually think inside. They kind of have severe need to be accepted in society. And when you don't, you'll be subject to bullying. I've seen YouTube videos that say the same thing you do. Japan's social structure is very unique and for lack of a better word, cruel. In their society it's normal to act "fake" and ignore someone who's in need of help? That sounds like a really harsh environment to live in. I mean, I don't know if it's just my area or generation, but bulling wasn't really a thing at my school. The only time I can ever remember someone getting bullied, this bigger guy stepped in and told the bully to stop. Pretty rough man lol _Ako_ said: So if you don't fit in with everyone else, you're subject to harassment and bulling by potentially your whole class!? Jeez. Here I thought it was a good thing to be different from everyone else (the good kind of different). As far as I know, Japan's Education system almost looks like "filtering the weak out" I think the problem lies would due to the hierarchy status of people in Japan, that they want to protect. Like teachers who would probably feel "threaten" if he ever so a bullying that occurs but doesn't have the power to stop it because it involves many people, thus what he can do is just be silent or feign ignorance about it. Now I'm wondering how the parents can just sit still here. No... Both parent's side seems to be just doing nothing if you ask me... In Phi, this is true; from our uniform, the fact that we have one classroom and we basically just sit there for like 7 hrs or so. Ohhh well, not that I care since ever since I was a child I didn't really care about the class, I more less care on my own. Thus, they left me behind. I think this where it lies, there are a lot of people who just can't adapt to his/her surroundings, and I think society ought to understand that. I mean, do you want to see a kid who's parents was killed and suddenly burst laughter or the most happiest in class? Fuck I'd call the ambulance. Ohh well, I myself feels trapped when I was in Phi for that 1 class and sit there for like 7 hrs. I mean come on, who wouldn't? Ohhh well now that you mentioned it, my Chemistry Labs are always done by me, but I have one of the best data... Ohh well, I can do just anything by myself anyway... I can see why... If you don't want to be weed-out in Japan, you ought to study :/ Such a great irony. I wonder if teachers in Japan didn't just start off as student but suddenly became a teacher because of God's will. This is just what I feel, but in education, the first who would help a student is the teacher. Quite funny that it seems that teachers in Japan is not human but a mere robot whose job is to just teach. Ohh wait... There are who notices it but then got shackled by society... Good job Japan! You're doing things right! Indeed! I agree! I see... No wonder why.... I can see that happening... I feel bad for them but Japan doesn't think so... :/ I can see why the last resort of students who are under extreme bullying may choose to just die. Ohh well, I mean why wouldn't they when no one will stop it and it will just escalate? Even sensei don't care... :/ It also sounds like Japanese people are even more prejudice than I thought! I already knew that their view on people who are different (i.e not Japanese) was one of unacceptance, but I didn't know they had a issue with gay people! Japan's a pretty wacky place. I like their cartoons though, so I forgive lol I had a feeling that Japan is till not accustomed to gay/homosexual. Yeah, the bad thing is that the whole class will ride in the farce. Which gets things so hard to handle. In Phi, this is true; from our uniform, the fact that we have one classroom and we basically just sit there for like 7 hrs or so. Ohhh well, not that I care since ever since I was a child I didn't really care about the class, I more less care on my own. Thus, they left me behind. I think this where it lies, there are a lot of people who just can't adapt to his/her surroundings, and I think society ought to understand that. I mean, do you want to see a kid who's parents was killed and suddenly burst laughter or the most happiest in class? Fuck I'd call the ambulance. The way Japanese schools are organised adds to the pressure to conform. Children learn in a “homeroom”: teachers of different subjects come to them. School activities, such as cleaning, eating lunch and studying, are organised in groups. Pupils must often adhere to exact rules about their uniforms, hairstyles and grooming. Individuals who do not kuuki wo yomu (roughly translated as “read the vibes”) can be shunned by other members of the class. Ohh well, I myself feels trapped when I was in Phi for that 1 class and sit there for like 7 hrs. I mean come on, who wouldn't? Ohhh well now that you mentioned it, my Chemistry Labs are always done by me, but I have one of the best data... Ohh well, I can do just anything by myself anyway... Japanese students are among the top performers academically I can see why... If you don't want to be weed-out in Japan, you ought to study :/ Teachers rarely help. They are renowned for their pedagogical prowess, especially in maths. But most are not trained to spot bullying. There are few incentives to notice or deal with it, notes Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch (HRW). Teachers who do not achieve harmony, she says, are seen as poor performers. One survey suggests that around 12% of teachers have taken part in bullying. A quarter of high schools allow corporal punishment. Such a great irony. I wonder if teachers in Japan didn't just start off as student but suddenly became a teacher because of God's will. This is just what I feel, but in education, the first who would help a student is the teacher. Quite funny that it seems that teachers in Japan is not human but a mere robot whose job is to just teach. Ohh wait... There are who notices it but then got shackled by society... Good job Japan! You're doing things right! Indeed! I agree! Or gay pupils. A report last year by HRW concluded that bullying of gay children in Japanese schools was “nearly ubiquitous”. It cited a survey by Yasuharu Hidaka of Takarazuka University that found that 44% of gay teenage boys were bullied. One told HRW that teachers said his sexuality broke the harmony of the school. Separate research by Mr Hidaka suggests that roughly one Japanese teacher in three thinks homosexuality is a mental illness. I see... No wonder why.... I can see that happening... I feel bad for them but Japan doesn't think so... :/ “It is painful,” he said through his parents, “but please do not choose to die.” I can see why the last resort of students who are under extreme bullying may choose to just die. Ohh well, I mean why wouldn't they when no one will stop it and it will just escalate? Even sensei don't care... :/ [/quote] SHOCKJOHNSON said: _Ako_ said: As far as I know, Japan's Education system almost looks like "filtering the weak out" I think the problem lies would due to the hierarchy status of people in Japan, that they want to protect. Like teachers who would probably feel "threaten" if he ever so a bullying that occurs but doesn't have the power to stop it because it involves many people, thus what he can do is just be silent or feign ignorance about it. Now I'm wondering how the parents can just sit still here. No... Both parent's side seems to be just doing nothing if you ask me... In Phi, this is true; from our uniform, the fact that we have one classroom and we basically just sit there for like 7 hrs or so. Ohhh well, not that I care since ever since I was a child I didn't really care about the class, I more less care on my own. Thus, they left me behind. I think this where it lies, there are a lot of people who just can't adapt to his/her surroundings, and I think society ought to understand that. I mean, do you want to see a kid who's parents was killed and suddenly burst laughter or the most happiest in class? Fuck I'd call the ambulance. Ohh well, I myself feels trapped when I was in Phi for that 1 class and sit there for like 7 hrs. I mean come on, who wouldn't? Ohhh well now that you mentioned it, my Chemistry Labs are always done by me, but I have one of the best data... Ohh well, I can do just anything by myself anyway... I can see why... If you don't want to be weed-out in Japan, you ought to study :/ Such a great irony. I wonder if teachers in Japan didn't just start off as student but suddenly became a teacher because of God's will. This is just what I feel, but in education, the first who would help a student is the teacher. Quite funny that it seems that teachers in Japan is not human but a mere robot whose job is to just teach. Ohh wait... There are who notices it but then got shackled by society... Good job Japan! You're doing things right! Indeed! I agree! I see... No wonder why.... I can see that happening... I feel bad for them but Japan doesn't think so... :/ I can see why the last resort of students who are under extreme bullying may choose to just die. Ohh well, I mean why wouldn't they when no one will stop it and it will just escalate? Even sensei don't care... :/ Damn. That's so cringey. Psychologically I wouldn't do so well. But physically I'd be able to stand my own, unless they all come at me at once. Ehhh... good for you I think... That you can handle it physically... I hope there's no knife or anything involve though... :/ |
Kuma said: japanese has really strong herd mentality... they will polite as long it fits with their herd or not involved, but as soon you actually goes inside the herd and stand out, you will forced to follow it... you think japan is some kind heaven? think again... this is also apply to most eastern society... we are not individualist free, but socialist judgemental... This is more or less exactly what I hear as well. |
| Here I thought the stereotype was that they're super polite. |
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| I do believe that you have to separate fiction from reality. If you tried to learn about high schoolers from most American shows, you'd think similarly that all the kids were rude, constantly having drama (okay, that's true for some of them), and teachers had no real order/were banging their students. |
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Kuraokani said: Kuma said: I've always dislikes the "pack" mentality. I thought that, as a people, we've gone past that way of thinking. I guess that's just America though. From the statistics and studies I've been reading since starting this thread, Japanese people are pretty horrible lolol. They are one of the most racist countries in the world. On top of that, their laws are pretty strict and their work system is crazy. japanese has really strong herd mentality... they will polite as long it fits with their herd or not involved, but as soon you actually goes inside the herd and stand out, you will forced to follow it... you think japan is some kind heaven? think again... this is also apply to most eastern society... we are not individualist free, but socialist judgemental... asian in fact is realy social comunity... it doesn't mean it's automaticaly bad, it has it's own high and low http://www.dimensionsofculture.com/2010/10/cultural-values-of-asian-patients-and-families/ also, japan is xenophobic, not racist.. racist case mainly found towards minorities (ainu or rukyuan) or other asians ethnicities... http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-xenophobia-and-racism/ |
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| >"No Filter" If anything, the Japanese are more likely to talk behind your back. and no, bullying isn't that big of a thing in Japan. The middle years are too tiresome for it to get big, suicide or dropping out because of pressure is more likely. |
| I believe the Japanese is the kind that is polite in front of you, but "show" their true colors behind your back. Like, you see in a lot of anime the "rudeness" comes from people gossiping and whispering about others. Like those famous "girl bashing in the bathroom" scenes. Rumors seem quite strong and damaging there as well. Having a bad rumor about you could ruin your life, or at least that's what it looks like to me. |
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| I've heard from people who have been to Japan that Japanese people are very kind. |
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this is also part of our value that bugging me for lot of times (i don't know you more closer to mongoloid or western culturally since you are philipines)... acting rude in front of society is something immoral, it's okay as long not directly in their face... kinda funny actually.... however, if the suciety it self doing the judgement, well, your life pretty much end... |
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| Even the american shows contain bullying and some bad words and scenes but that does not mean it happens in america (i am not american so i dont know how the americans are) So i do not think that animes describe how the japaneses are living |
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| No, I seen how they can be. They aren't rude. They use the Code of Honor. |
Kuraokani said: https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21720643-evacuees-fukushima-are-latest-suffer-torment-class-why-bullying-japanese-schools yep as mentioned, Group is very important thing in japan. Japan is a very exclusive society. on the surface, we are kind to outsiders in the beginning. but there is a huge distinction between people who are inside or outside one's group. so if you are not in major local friends network or LINE group etc, maybe you are being bullied. |
| In my experience... No they're polite overly so even, unless they're in a crowd or part of a tour group and then prepare to be pushed, shoved, and generally have your personal space invaded. |
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