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Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit |
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| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| Honestly, I thought the first 3 episodes were horrible. A bunch of boring exposition and confusing fight scenes. This episode however seems to have improved A LOT. It felt much more narrowed down in terms of cast interactions and was a lot easier to keep up with. The ending scene with the transfer of the heart was actually really cool. I hope that the series continues to prove me wrong and actually turn into something enjoyable. I doubt it will be on par with anything from ufotable but still I do see potential in it. |
| I hope him and Jean survive this war and live on as romantic partners (shipper here). |
Hinata-chiJul 23, 2017 8:55 PM
| Nooooo, Siegfred is already gone. He seemed like a really promising character 😔 But his master was annoying though, so hopefully he'll get a lot less screen time from now on. Speaking of screen time, I hope we see more of Atalanta. I love her character design :D That metal-sounding sound effect isn't too bad when it isn't as loud as last episode. Hopefully it doesn't return with another big-scale fight. I'm interested on exactly what role the homunculus will play in the war. |
| Well this is definitely different than the other war and I'm interested in how Fate/Apocrypha will turn out later. |
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| Annnd the absolute dredge of trainwreck starts now. Hold on to your butts. Siegfried deserved better than Higashide can write. Now it's time for LN-MC-Kun to hog spotlight and for overall plot to go to absolute shit. 2/5 |
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| Wait, so did the beginning fight between Siegfried and Mordred not happen? Or is he coming back? EDIT: Nevermind, i should've read the thread first. |
IronLobsterJul 23, 2017 11:10 PM
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| I love the character design of Red's Archer, but I'm team Black for this one. They have lot of compassionate servants. |
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| Massive respect to Saber and Rider of team black. Even if I don't think he was really worth saving. |
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| Nice episode. Cool Servant fights going on. Aka no Berserker taken out. Nice of Kuro no Rider to help the Homunculus get a chance at living. Farewell Siegfried. That was a noble sacrifice. |
Santoryu_XBurnerJul 24, 2017 12:18 AM
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Overall good episode, the fight with Berserker was as short as expected but the second fight was well enough. I just love Archer and Rider of Red, fun characters to have around. And live the climax and how they decided to change things a bit regarding to LN, I see that some didn't like that becasue of certain scene next episode. But I think that scene is going to play regardless as it is one that presents why Jeanne is the best girl. ;) All in all anime is so far so good. And I like how they add new things. After all - Ufotable did the same with UBW anime ( Illya death scene is perfect example ) so why can't A-1 did with Apocrypha as well? They made some scenes from GATE much better than LN and manga ( especially last episode ) so I expect the same here. All in all 9/10 episode, and I cannot wait for one next week. |
| Overall good episode, the fight with Berserker was as short as expected but the second fight was well enough. I just love Archer and Rider of Red, fun characters to have around. And live the climax and how they decided to change things a bit regarding to LN, I see that some didn't like that becasue of certain scene next episode. But I think that scene is going to play regardless as it is one that presents why Jeanne is the best girl. ;) All in all anime is so far so good. And I like how they add new things. After all - Ufotable did the same with UBW anime ( Illya death scene is perfect example ) so why can't A-1 did with Apocrypha as well? They made some scenes from GATE much better than LN and manga ( especially last episode ) so I expect the same here. All in all 9/10 episode, and I cannot wait for one next week. |
| Yey the best ship finally on the scene. And fabulousness of Achilles in full color. |
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uhm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron How can you people enjoy Fate without knowing any mythology. He was his teacher. |
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| Almost every screentime of Astolfo.. makes even better xD |
 "Think about that glowing dust That destroys the night sky's dream of Just being nothing"--  -- |
| Siegfried's sacrifice was a bit unexpected tbh. I didn't think he'd be gone this early in the game. Oh well, lets see where things go from here. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Fight scenes were short but the overall direction we're heading wasn't TOO bad... We got some exposition of how everyone and their uncle think this Holy Grail war is strange as fook compared with previous ones. We got some battles between Fran-chan and Nyanta, as well as with Achilles and Chiron. Then of course we had Vlad literally impaling Spartacus for fun. And finally we have Seig finally meeting Jeanne, which I guess will finally kickstart the story as it should. Lack of Mo-Chan this episode was a bit disappointing though. |
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ErwinJA said: mira-pyon said: This theory, however, is negated by the fact that most spirits have multiple class options. In reality, there's a base formed by the character, and their various stats are either boosted or diminished based on the class. As such, class can make a big difference, everything else being equal.Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. Sabers are considered the "best" because they get the most well rounded class bonuses (that and plot armor). They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Berserkers appear OP because of their excellent physical stats, but they're actually weaker overall than they appear. Well yes, hence the 'tend' in my answer. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. |
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emi1998 said: I'm more familiar with eastern mythology rather than western one.uhm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron How can you people enjoy Fate without knowing any mythology. He was his teacher. Thank for the link anyway. |
ZBlastHistory said: Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit They're not, though. And they don't. |
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| This is starting to feel more and more like a Fate anime where they've traded away the quality for quantity Way too many Servants, way too little reason to care about any of them so far. So hard to feel anything for these fights; too rushed :/ PS: If only heart transplants were that easy to pull off |
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katsu044 said: goodbye siegfried for now?.. he didn't deserve the hate the memes and the cruse of being unlucky with his chosen master. power strengths are hard to make out lol 1 star berserker holding his ground and this rider i've never seen before is able to take on two servants at once good on Astolfo for sticking his own Principles Siegfried(Sumanai-kun)gets the hate memes becase of his shit stats in F/GO. Another reason is that when you summoned a gold saber card in F/GO, you thought that it's going to be a 5* saber then suddenly SUMANAI |
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mira-pyon said: They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Well technically class affects which aspects of heroic spirit materialize so that sort of counts as "bonus" - Sabers are designed to make full use of their stats and close combat, Archers are all around utility and tactical combat, Lancers all about speed and efficient and fast close combat, Riders are about huge damage and speed, Assassins are about targeting masters and one-hit-kills, Casters are weak in combat but have full use of their magic capabilities and Berserkers are basically any servant buffed in stats at cost of their intelligence and sanity. But again yeah that has nothing to do with actual classes and more with heroic spirits themselves since no heroic spirit is all-around perfect and all have their weak points - a heroic spirit can be weaker in one class than in other due to that, but thats not something a class decides and not some class bonus. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. He's also wrong there since FSN berserker would be Stronger in other classes NOT because of some silly "class bonuses", but because he's such a damn powerful heroic spirit and Berserker class madness limits his options Berserkers CAN be self destructive but that is not definition of the class. There's no "Berserker class definition or bonus" - Servants summoned as Berserkers trade their reason and sanity for boost in stats. That's literally only thing that Berserker is. mira-pyon said: fejita said: so any rationalisation for MC not exploding from having a servant core implanted into him? Or should I just do what FGO preaches and forget about consistency for rule of cool? The idea is that he's already an empty shell, with no real personality nor identity. Hence, the heart doesn't clash with an already established being. So like Shirou then.... :^) AKA |
AhenshihaelJul 24, 2017 6:01 AM
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| The Archer class is finally made up of Archers. I like em both... What i don't like however is the fetish-zation of Astolfo. He would've been a much better Character if he wasn't fetishized. And lol the ending. I can already see why people say Sieg destroyed F/A. That was so wtf. |
| Siegfried was awesome. |
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| I'm speachless, my favorite servant! Kuro No Saber, for fucks sake but that was such a good end. Epic! Fantastic episode, I don't know what all the bitching is about! |
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| It's not exactly saying much at this point, but this was probably the best episode of this show so far, not least because it had the guts to kill off Siegfried so soon, which I certainly wasn't expecting. The fights still leave a lot to be desired, but this week was a slight improvement on that front as well. |
| Clearly, A-1 won't be raising any eyebrows with their visuals, except over how underwhelming they are. I consider myself a big TM fan, though, I haven't read apocrypha, and it's pitiful seeing other fans blindly defending some of the poor scenes we've seen so far. I get why trapstolfo and sumanai could have done what they did, being heroes and all but surely there could have been a better way of going around it. I mean, the whole escape plan was nonsensical, rushing out into mission impossible with a cripple. And surely sumanai's passing could have had some impact. It just felt ehhh. Then, others trying to explain some of the power match-ups with fgo rock-paper-scissors mechanics which make no sense outside of a mobage. Berserker got rekt because they ganked the mad-enhanced insane moron. Simple as that. I'm sure most of us will keep watching no matter how bad it gets, and personally, I'm waiting for the appearance of my passionately hated Jack. Hopefully, they can redeem that design somehow with the story, since another, Astolfo, seems irredeemable now. |
Whip1asH said: I consider myself a big TM fan, though, I haven't read apocrypha, and it's pitiful seeing other fans blindly defending some of the poor scenes we've seen so far. I get why trapstolfo and sumanai could have done what they did, being heroes and all but surely there could have been a better way of going around it. I mean, the whole escape plan was nonsensical, rushing out into mission impossible with a cripple. And surely sumanai's passing could have had some impact. It just felt ehhh. Well, that's Astolfo for you. It's to be expected from the one known for "lacking all signs of common sense". He doesn't exactly operate on logic. About the dramatic stakes for the Siegfried scene, You're right, but i don't think that it could've been done any better given the source. Siegfried's motivations coupled with him having few lines all lead to this. I do think that it's alright, though. You don't need a huge investment in him to see how much of a good person he was and how that directly contributed to his death. |
| Grande Siegfried and Astolfo, my fucking heroes! xD I appreciated this episode, watching 2 noble heroes + the new mcs pairing, really helps alot. I liked Atalanta and Achilles bantering too. |
| well, that was pretty fucking stupid. And we're just at episode 4. Wew. |
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| God reading this thread full of people who know a lot about Fate Universe is driving me crazy since I don't really know much about it. I know only the basic things such as Archilles and Chiron relation, pseudo-servant and shit. So I'm gonna do some research about other heroes background. Since I'm only here because I want to see Jeanne and Mordred being animated, I don't really give a damn about anything, you could give me an anime with them as a SoL CGDCT anime MCs I still won't mind (yeah man, bringing sword/lance is a cute thing). But as an anime-only watcher, I found all the fights so far is boring and too fast. Like, it's not memorable. Well, we're still in early episodes so it's not fair to say anything yet. I'll give this episode a 3/5, Siegfried deserves some respect. |
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| This was amazingly bad. I was thinking about watching it for Jeanny and some shit getting destroyed but battles are so terribly bland and uninspired and character motives and actions are so painfully stupid it's almost unwatchable. True is has been a very long time since I saw it but I think FS/N anime was more enjoyable to watch and less cringey despite garbage like "people die if they are killed". |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| Damn, Siegfred's gone.... A saviour till the end. The one who gave it all. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Rider of red was helping a homonclus to escape Saber of red and rider of red got into fight. Saber of red betrayed his own master Saber of red sacrifice himself to the homonclus by transferring his heart to him Ruler appeared and she will be protecting the boy from now on and if i remember in the first episode ruler woke up a dragon ? wtf is going on ? this confused me. but it's a good episode either way. not that impressive but i can say it's at least good. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: And the opening scene where Siegfried and Mordred fight,... it is impossible now, even behind the scenes. Oh boy, it's possible. It's called magic! ;) No srsly....just wait. They will explain / show it later. |
| I'm not enjoying the fights so far, but all the butthurt over Siegfried's actions here makes no sense. He's like Lancer from F/Z, he had nothing he wanted from the Grail, but something he wanted to accomplish on his own. He saw the opportunity there, so what? He had to live on and fight for the Grail just because reasons? Haven't read the novel yet because it's not fully translated, but I guess the fights aren't good there either, as this isn't just a matter of animation or coreography, but how the characters do it. Not anywhere near the strategizing of F/Z and F/SN so far. |
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| From what I've seen in this tread, this episode is getting some hate. Nevertheless I really liked it. Especially Astolfo and Siegfried, but it was nice to actually see new servants too. I agree on the fights, though. They aren't as memorable as I'd hope they would be. But I guess that they'll get better as the story progresses. |
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| Looks like people are hell bent on killing the meaning of word "hate" after the demise of "epic". I doubt there's more than a handful people among everyone who've seen this episode who hate it. You have to very invested and care about something to hate it. It's just a fucking anime, nobody hates it, they just don't like it or point out how crappy it is. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
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