| Anime is here only to introduce original sources like manga/novel/V. Novel to the JAPANESE people, to boost sales nothing more. Also money. |
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| Because production companies like to adapt manga and novels to boost sales. |
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| Anime is expensive to produce and carries considerable risks to produce from a financial standpoint. Meanwhile printed mediums (manga & light novels) are considerably cheaper to produce. As such... 1. Most people with "original" story ideas in Japan will turn to manga or light novels as the ideal medium to utilize. 2. Anime typically isn't produced unless there's an alternate cause for income (effectively a financial safety net), which typically means adapting an already successful work such as a manga, light novel, game, et cetera. Unless anime somehow becomes seen as a less risky + more profitable venture than the cheaper-to-produce mediums, expect this cycle to continue. |
| Because adaptations would already guarantee an audience. And the sources benefit as well. Business as usual, money talks and merit walks. |
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| who knows man but I have this weird association with Watanabe Shinichiro and Urobuchi Gen when it comes to that so there not being a lot of original stuff isn't really a problem for me at least |
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| Because nobody really cared. This is serious cause nowadays people watch anime without thinking the originality, as long it's wacky, or they gain a satisfaction within, no one will really care if Oniai is Oreimo's copy or something. |
| but there are always a handful per season.. too bad kids nowadays rather watch the latest moe ecchi than masterpiece like Princess Principal |
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j0x said: yej seems i slightly misinterpreted the op,, but i still think it's important to acknowledge the 10-20% of fully original anime per season (this season is 8/50)well ye like 3-5 anime originals out of the total 40-50 anime shows per season so ye that kinda touch the "lack of" phrase lol |
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| 1) Apparently, it's hard to profit from making anime - too many risks, too much competition, not that much disposable income to buy all the ridiculously-priced disks. When adapting a manga or a novel, the manga/novel publisher pays for that (and expects more sales of their main product in return), and so the anime doesn't need to be as profitable. Of course, a well-made original anime can be more profitable (because it's better), but there is always a risk of making a sucky original anime like Glasslip. 2) For a single author or a small team (of 2-5 people) it is easier to make a novel, manga, or a visual novel. Which can be independently published or published by a major brand. By the time they make a name for themselves, they're good at making novels/manga/VNs, and they just keep doing what they're good at, leaving anime to the professionals. The people likely to make original anime are only people regularly involved in making anime in high-ranking positions, such as directors, scriptwriters or main artists. They know the medium inside and out, and they can push the most out of it, actually making an original anime that is meaningfully different from an adaptation. They are few in number, and they're often busy making anime for manga/novels/games. romagia said: but there are always a handful per season.. too bad kids nowadays rather watch the latest moe ecchi than masterpiece like Princess Principal You mean Princess Principal isn't the latest moe ecchi? |
flannanJul 12, 2017 2:45 AM
| Because studios are not obligated to make sequels. After all, a LOT of us watches anime in an illegal sites. |
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| Well cuz anime studios have to get them money and so they try the most tried and tested methods.It's not like very original anime is gonna be a breakthrough!! |
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| There are actually a good number of original shows every season. Also, original works are more expensive since you're creating something from nothing. You won't have the fanbase of the source material supporting the anime too, it's kinda risky. |
I have watched the first episode. It has a weird contrast of cute moe schoolgirls being superspies and outspying more classically looking men in a more classically looking setting. It doesn't count as ecchi, at least not the first episode, but its potential for moe is great. |
| I was gonna reply, but are people calling Princess Principal trash? Fight me. I liked it! |
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Zenzaga said: TKB928 said: So like if anime was much harder to pirate and had to be purchased?Anime is expensive to produce and carries considerable risks to produce from a financial standpoint. Meanwhile printed mediums (manga & light novels) are considerably cheaper to produce. As such... 1. Most people with "original" story ideas in Japan will turn to manga or light novels as the ideal medium to utilize. 2. Anime typically isn't produced unless there's an alternate cause for income (effectively a financial safety net), which typically means adapting an already successful work such as a manga, light novel, game, et cetera. Unless anime somehow becomes seen as a less risky + more profitable venture than the cheaper-to-produce mediums, expect this cycle to continue. If for some magical reason anime suddenly became far harder to pirate than any other medium you might expect that outcome (all mediums are subject to piracy after all). Considering that all it takes is for one person in Japan to have a suitable TV recording device and an Internet connection I doubt that such will ever be the case, but sure. j0x said: Tsukihiko said: Also, original works are more expensive since you're creating something from nothing. You won't have the fanbase of the source material supporting the anime too, it's kinda risky. there is actually no news or evidence that says anime originals are more expensive to make anime production of a 1-cour (11-13 episodes) show cost 2 million USA dollars and 2-cour (24-26 episodes) show cost around 4 million USA dollars so the lack of funding is the primary reason there is not much original anime I'm pretty sure Tsukihiko was talking about the lack of a pre-existing fanbase to expect as a source of revenue rather than production costs. Zenzaga said: you would think that if anime is so expensive, they'd focus on making it good and not just pander to- actually thats probably exactly why they pander so much. also if there was a way to enforce watching anime legally, money issues wouldnt be such a huge deal. prices of dvd's and such would go down since theyre no longer the lifeline and only source of money. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm at least i think so I'd actually expect the opposite, considering there would be fewer alternatives. Not that I claim to be an expert on trade regulations but I'm pretty sure import/export taxes and licensing costs have more to do with media prices than demand considering that the expected response for a lack of demand is to reduce the price since the market doesn't consider the product to represent its current price/value. |
TK8878Jul 12, 2017 3:26 AM
| I think this video explains it very well. By original anime, I assume you mean GOOD original anime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AHo-_XEV6E |
| Wow OP, you're really pumping out the Forum posts today! |
| No built-in fanbase. (If someone already mentioned this I apologize) |
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Zenzaga said: how would an anime that panders so little be like?you would think that if anime is so expensive, they'd focus on making it good and not just pander to- actually thats probably exactly why they pander so much. also if there was a way to enforce watching anime legally, money issues wouldnt be such a huge deal. prices of dvd's and such would go down since theyre no longer the lifeline and only source of money. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm at least i think so i'd say all anime pander to a certain audience |
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j0x said: do you also happen to have some stats on legal streaming in japan?Zenzaga said: you would think that if anime is so expensive, they'd focus on making it good and not just pander to- actually thats probably exactly why they pander so much. also if there was a way to enforce watching anime legally, money issues wouldnt be such a huge deal. prices of dvd's and such would go down since theyre no longer the lifeline and only source of money. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm at least i think so you should lurk more on the anime news section of MAL, they post news like this there http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-02-09/japanese-bd-dvd-sales-down-6.1-percent-from-2015/.112040 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-21/japanese-bd-dvd-sales-down-5.1-percent-from-2014-anime-bd-dvd-sales-down-6.9-percent/.100044 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-03-20/anime-video-market-in-japan-sees-15.8-percent-decrease-in-2016/.113637 so ye disc sales continues to decline there in japan while legal streaming profit are going up, the anime industry main profit source is slowly changing i see on this chart it still wasnt that much percent of total profit in 2015 (if that's what Internet Distribution means) http://i.imgur.com/7MozGFo.jpg |
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Zenzaga said: you would think the financial risk would entice you to not make a sack of trash for a show. talking about Glasslip 1) Making an original anime is a creative process. You don't really know what you will get until you're done. 2) More importantly, creators have their own ideas about what they want to make. It isn't always "I'm gonna show these LN noobs how to make a perfect isekai story!" (Dog Days), it can just as easily be "I'm gonna write a new page in the history of anime!" or "I'm going to make mecha great again!" (TTGL). Of course, not every idea is in demand, and not every time does the author have the skill to actually do it right. Kagami said: I was gonna reply, but are people calling Princess Principal trash? Fight me. I liked it! Disclaimer: I actually liked it too, but I'm suspicious: is the story going to change its tone, or is it going to stay the same, or what? Zenzaga said: you would think that if anime is so expensive, they'd focus on making it good and not just pander to- actually thats probably exactly why they pander so much. also if there was a way to enforce watching anime legally, money issues wouldnt be such a huge deal. prices of dvd's and such would go down since theyre no longer the lifeline and only source of money. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm at least i think so The trick is, if you want somebody to pay that much for disks, that someone has to be pretty much in love with the series. Which means you have to make shows that pander to specific people very much, instead of "fun for the whole family, but nobody really likes it all that much" philosophy of the Western visual media. |
| Anime with a source material has a built-in fanbase and so it's easier to pitch to executives. Already you have people interested in it. Plus, it demands less work of writing a whole new story. Anime, unlike a book, takes a lot of work and money from a lot of people. The makers have to be on the safe side most of the time. |
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| We finally have an anime that has a true harem, i.e. actual polygamy, etc... unlike 99% of all other anime with "harem" tag. -> everyone proceeds to call it "generic" and somethingsomething rip-off. |
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Grey-Zone said: We finally have an anime that has a true harem, i.e. actual polygamy, etc... unlike 99% of all other anime with "harem" tag. -> everyone proceeds to call it "generic" and somethingsomething rip-off. Which anime is this? Also, to answer the question. I believe the main reason is a lack of a pre-existing fanbase, as others have said. |
refael9190 said: Grey-Zone said: We finally have an anime that has a true harem, i.e. actual polygamy, etc... unlike 99% of all other anime with "harem" tag. -> everyone proceeds to call it "generic" and somethingsomething rip-off. Which anime is this? Also, to answer the question. I believe the main reason is a lack of a pre-existing fanbase, as others have said. Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni, of which episode 1 just aired. Frankly it's one of the weaker "isekai" genre on the WN/LN side of things, but when it comes to anime (adaption) side at least, it's cerainly not "generic". Well it's not really been revealed in the story yet that this is a true harem (only EP1 aired), but this is more about the genre, i.e. the harem tag does not mean what people usually think it means compared to other anime with the same tag. The usual case for other anime with that tag is "dense protagonist" or "hesistant protagonist", in both cases monogamous, who either takes until the very end to "choose his girl" or otherwise the monogamous protagonist doesn't make a choice until the very end and his (future) relationships are forever left unknown. Those other cases that happen all over would qualify as "generic", but this one anime certainly not. So I think people evaluate "originality" too much based on the setting and first impression. And that is unfortunate. I mean even a game of chess always starts with the exact same position and even the first moves tend to be very similar to each other in most cases. Yet I don't think anyone has ever called a chess game "generic". Because once it branches out to an individual game, it becomes "original". But that usually only happen after the first few "moves". Similar concept applies to anime. |
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Grey-Zone said: We finally have an anime that has a true harem, i.e. actual polygamy, etc... unlike 99% of all other anime with "harem" tag. -> everyone proceeds to call it "generic" and somethingsomething rip-off. Which anime are you talking about? I remember Tears to Tiara being such a true harem - the MC has been described as a demon lord of accidental marriage for all the times he gets suddenly married. But it's not an anime original, which means there must be some true harem I'm missing. Edit: Oh, I see. I've yet to see that anime, but I'm definitely going to see it! |
| I suppose they can't compete with the succesful original franchises that already exist, or don't want to in case it's their own flagship title to begin with (such as Gundam). |
flannan said: Grey-Zone said: We finally have an anime that has a true harem, i.e. actual polygamy, etc... unlike 99% of all other anime with "harem" tag. -> everyone proceeds to call it "generic" and somethingsomething rip-off. Which anime are you talking about? I remember Tears to Tiara being such a true harem - the MC has been described as a demon lord of accidental marriage for all the times he gets suddenly married. But it's not an anime original, which means there must be some true harem I'm missing. Edit: Oh, I see. I've yet to see that anime, but I'm definitely going to see it! Tears to Tiara is like that because it was originally based on a SRPG harem eroge. In later instances, which the anime was then based on it became a simple SRPG game with better graphics than the eroge version, but the story was mostly still the same, so the harem part was still in it. As for the isekai smartphone web novel, the now airing anime is based on, in terms of general quality of the writing, story and enjoyment factor it is actually on the weaker side compared to many other "transported/summoned/reincarnated into fantasy world with or without game elements" (i.e. "isekai") kind of stories, but even among the isekai webnovels it was still one of the most straightforward ones when it comes to being a "true harem", so I think that aspect alone suffices to consider it "original" at least. |
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| It happens with everything, from games to movies and with anime as well. Companies turn to brands, to pre-existing properties that already have some recognition, which translates into sales. |
Grey-Zone said: flannan said: Which anime are you talking about? I remember Tears to Tiara being such a true harem - the MC has been described as a demon lord of accidental marriage for all the times he gets suddenly married. But it's not an anime original, which means there must be some true harem I'm missing. Edit: Oh, I see. I've yet to see that anime, but I'm definitely going to see it! Tears to Tiara is like that because it was originally based on a SRPG harem eroge. In later instances, which the anime was then based on it became a simple SRPG game with better graphics than the eroge version, but the story was mostly still the same, so the harem part was still in it. Indeed - I have played the original game (and enjoyed it). But compared to the authors' previous work, Utawarerumono (which had Hakuoro sleep with most women in his palace), Tears to Tiara had harem as an actual relationship recognized by all the people involved and some uninvolved people too. Grey-Zone said: As for the isekai smartphone web novel, the now airing anime is based on, in terms of general quality of the writing, story and enjoyment factor it is actually on the weaker side compared to many other "transported/summoned/reincarnated into fantasy world with or without game elements" (i.e. "isekai") kind of stories, but even among the isekai webnovels it was still one of the most straightforward ones when it comes to being a "true harem", so I think that aspect alone suffices to consider it "original" at least. Actually, this thread is about shows that start off as anime, instead of being adapted from anything. But I agree that originality is not recognized enough on MAL. Not even remotely enough. |
flannan said: Actually, this thread is about shows that start off as anime, instead of being adapted from anything. But I agree that originality is not recognized enough on MAL. Not even remotely enough. Yes, I got confused by that. But I don't see any "original" anime series that made me interested enough to watch it. Recently I am also not even interested in anime adaptions of mangas anymore. There just are no interesting series anymore. Almost everything interesting lately is based on games/LNs/VNs. Even the one manga->anime adaption, UQ holder next season is no good. I used to read the manga but it just got too boring at some point and the comedy only feels like it worsened over time. I don't feel at all motivated to watch it. Also original anime tend to either be too short (12 episodes make it hard to write a good story in most cases) or too long (with 100+ episodes it becomes episodic and runs out of good ideas fast, unless the writer is a genius). |
Grey-ZoneJul 13, 2017 6:06 AM
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Grey-Zone said: But I don't see any "original" anime series that made me interested enough to watch it. Recently I am also not even interested in anime adaptions of mangas anymore. There just are no interesting series anymore. Almost everything interesting lately is based on games/LNs/VNs. Even the one manga->anime adaption, UQ holder next season is no good. I used to read the manga but it just got too boring at some point and the comedy only feels like it worsened over time. I don't feel at all motivated to watch it. Also original anime tend to either be too short (12 episodes make it hard to write a good story in most cases) or too long (with 100+ episodes it becomes episodic and runs out of good ideas fast, unless the writer is a genius). My favorite original anime is Dog Days, a cute isekai fantasy. And I have a good opinion of original anime in general, but that might be a matter of taste. Flip Flappers surely were not to everybody's taste, even if I enjoyed them. |
flannan said: Grey-Zone said: But I don't see any "original" anime series that made me interested enough to watch it. Recently I am also not even interested in anime adaptions of mangas anymore. There just are no interesting series anymore. Almost everything interesting lately is based on games/LNs/VNs. Even the one manga->anime adaption, UQ holder next season is no good. I used to read the manga but it just got too boring at some point and the comedy only feels like it worsened over time. I don't feel at all motivated to watch it. Also original anime tend to either be too short (12 episodes make it hard to write a good story in most cases) or too long (with 100+ episodes it becomes episodic and runs out of good ideas fast, unless the writer is a genius). My favorite original anime is Dog Days, a cute isekai fantasy. And I have a good opinion of original anime in general, but that might be a matter of taste. Flip Flappers surely were not to everybody's taste, even if I enjoyed them. Actually I watched the first season and parts of the second season of Dog Days, but totally forgot to add it to my anime list, thanks for the reminder! It's definitly one of the better ones among originals. |
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It can be isekai or yet another high school cute girls doing cute thing, as long as its good. |
| There is no lack of original anime. The only solution here is to wait for new shows like every season. |
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Swagernator said: Anime is here only to introduce original sources like manga/novel/V. Novel to the JAPANESE people, to boost sales nothing more. Also money. Unless if its an animated film that exists to be nominated at a film fest each year I highly doubt that they would make a show that's not based on a manga/visual novel sadly anytime soon. |
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