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yuliyana29 said: My parents age gap is 9-10 years and I have an aunt that married at 17. Is that supposed to be a big deal? Personally, I think that age gap becomes less important with time, at least after 20s, but Nina's a kid, she is young, naive and easily falls for appearances, and Charioce is an adult, pretty mature and very problematic. And Nina does fall for him mostly because of his looks. I do enjoy romance in Virgin Soul, especially since it probably won't lead to any long-term commitment, but realistically it is a bit icky. ...and we-ell there's also imprisonment. As for big deal - I think that I am one of the least dramatic people on this subforum, lmao. (So I am not going into discussing any family-related personal things.) Mormegil said: So does this episode confirm that Charioce had no idea Nina was a dragon? Why would he ask her about it all the time then? It looks like he also has some lie-detecting skills, and he was happy after he saw Nina's reaction during the trial as he usually is when he applies them. My guess is that he didn't know details, like how she transforms exactly, and it probably is a new sight even for him. |
deadoptimistJul 1, 2017 6:28 AM
next thing you know Charioce is going to become Riphal Edea if he keeps using that weapon |
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| Whelp was nice having Favaro around in the series for maybe half an episode of air time at most in 13 episodes. Now looks like we won't be seeing him again for awhile as he flew away to somewhere no one knows as we go on a Nina arc once again starting next episode. |
| ritaritaritaritaritaritaritaritaritarita. Can't say i'm not comfortable with these Angels get btfo and ritaritaritaritaritaritarita Kaisar lol Good ep 10/10 Cheerios the punished kings everyone deserve |
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| just went from a 7 to an 8. These animations where flawless! Also it seems charioce is actually concerned about nina. But do you loose eyesight just by getting hit? Or was that some sort of negative side effect of the weapon? Noticed the strains on his arm where his magic wrist band is? |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| One thing I don't understand, how did Charioce cancel Nina's transformation when he touched her head? Why did he take off his gloves before doing so? He has some weird hidden power? :O |
| What an episode. Wasn't expecting the whole giant structure/battleship battle to be any good, cause most of the times it feels like the studios have no idea how to handle CGI, but since MAPPA knows what they're doing everything looked amazing. Also Charioce was the man of the episode |
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deadoptimist said: And Nina does fall for him mostly because of his looks. Surpuppa said: I still dont understand how rita can be in love with the king To be fair, he is kinda nice to her, and saved her arse multiple times now. He might be a douche to everyone else, but to her he is nice. Also, he actually seems to favour Kaisar quite a bit, sparing the latters life on various occassions and putting up with his, from a royal perspective, quite subversive behaviour for a long time. |
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Laionidas said: To be fair, he is kinda nice to her, and saved her arse multiple times now. He might be a douche to everyone else, but to her he is nice. Also, he actually seems to favour Kaisar quite a bit, sparing the latters life on various occassions and putting up with his, from a royal perspective, quite subversive behaviour for a long time. He sort of causes that danger too though (slavers are his doing, the device too). Can't really say that she loves him for his personality - Nina obviously disagrees with his view on duty. They haven't interacted all that much and Nina thought him to be another person when they did, also it's not been long since she was even able to see him as a human being, not an advert picture surrounded by pink bubbles (seriosuly, any other love interest would've hurt her too, people are not glitter). And narrative-wise Charioce is falling behind on proper characterization compared to the rest of the cast (backstory - when?!). I see their love as based mostly on chemistry and wishful thinking - they're very attracted to each other, obviously, but it's more about what it could've been, but never will. I agree though that he is very chivalrous and respectful towards her and he seems to care (he was sad to see her exhauseted after the transformation that had wrecked his plans), all of these things are valuable and attractive. Not everyone has it in themsleves to respect a flustered enamoured girl many years younger. I am very interested in what's with him being so patient with Kaisar and Kaisar's own attitude - he showed to others that he would fight the king, but then he didn't - guess the vow is important to him after all. What drives me nuts is now dots don't connect in Charioce's personality sometimes - like, he should care more about his troops, be more proactive in capturing people, get mad sometimes, if he's human, if he's an authority, if he's a successful leader. Btw, Animesuki speculates that he may have had backing from that very ancient civilization. And it reminded me about the strange shot when he was pressing Kaisar - it was as if something else looked from behind and above his throne. But I agree that he is extremely chivalrous and respectful towards her, which is valuable and attractive. Daniel_Naumov said: Charioce used his eye to activate the doomsday device, and the bracelet on his wrist is imbued with the same impure energy, slowly eating at him. It will be elaborated later one. I wonder if he will have to give his second eye if he activates it again. |
deadoptimistJul 1, 2017 4:30 PM
| I love Charioce <3 |
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| BUT WHERE IS FAVARO!?!?!?! I enjoyed this episode a whole lot, BUT WHERE IS FAVARO!?!?!?!?!? Look forward to seeing how things play out from here now. |
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| Good episode and all with how the new apocalyptic threat was revealed, but did they really have to go and get rid of Favaro again while they were at it? It's furstrating cos I was really hoping to see him and Nina interact more, not to mention Favaro just being awesome as always. |
deadoptimist said: He sort of causes that danger too though (slavers are his doing, the device too). (...) Nina obviously disagrees with his view on duty. Policy and personal relations are two different things. That's the reality of politics. Maybe it shouldn't be in an ideal world, but life is never that black and white. There's this famous anecdote of Reagan cutting down on welfare, in order to lower taxes. Then this single mom writes him a letter of how she's struggling with two jobs and two kids, and he sends her a cheque from his personal account. He finds she's not cashing it, so he contacts her again to ask her why. She has actually framed it and put it on her wall, so he sends her another. Someone who's as straightforward and harsh in his personal relations as in his policies is a shitty person, but someone who's as kind and as compromising in his policies as he is in his personal relations is a shitty politician. Not saying Charioce's policies should be aproved off, just that a distinction between his policies and personal relations is not at all that odd. deadoptimist said: I wonder if he will have to give his second eye if he activates it again. I'm guessing that's the road they'll take, and we'll end up with something of a Speed Grapher ending. deadoptimist said: Btw, Animesuki speculates that he may have had backing from that very ancient civilization. And it reminded me about the strange shot when he was pressing Kaisar - it was as if something else looked from behind and above his throne. That's an interesting point. First thing that came to my mind when that Godess mentioned Dromos being as potent as Bahamut was: "Ha, that ancient civilization must have developped that weapon against Bahamut". And yes, the throne room shots have always seemed brooding to me too. |
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What I mean is that her experience with him isn't solely positive. As for his personality, sadly, it's not explained enough - we have seen more of him than Nina, but I don't think that it has become clear what makes him tick, no backstory either, and Nina, actually, hasn't interacted with his real self aside from a few moments in weird situations. She can't possibly love him for what she doesn't know (she may love him for what she imagines to be his personality though, ok). Btw, what irks me the most is the complete lack of life in his normal environment, that's not even realistic. Even if he was downright psychopatic, he should've had close henchmen and should've worried more about his elite soldiers. I agree that it doesn't seem so strange that he can separate between his personal attractions and his work, actually he even should do so to a degree to be a good king, so it must come natural to him. (Even though I am not sure that you can be a king with a big idea solely as a job, his plan for superiosity of humans seems to be his conviction.) And he is an authority so he has space for maneuver - nobody's gonna oppose him for minor things. Nina is in his power or at least in the midst of his plans, so it wouldn't be so easy to make a distinction for her, and she's very young, it's her first love - it's a bit cruel to heap all this on her. But my take on it is that Charioce probably just allows himself to have a bit of fun in dealing with a cute and pure girl, who is also strong and special, teasing her a bit, before letting go of his life. I suppose he know that Dromos comes with a price I haven't watched Speed Grapher. Was it tragic? Bahamut isn't too random with its shots, and this panning shot (eh, if I use the term right) was extremely strange. It doesn't make much sense unless something was lurking in the shadows.  But maybe I overthink things regarding this moment. Making Charioce a puppet would give them a way to redeem him, but I like characters who suffer because of their own mind, so I am not sure I would be happy with this development. On the other hand, him dying spectacularly is too predictable. |
deadoptimistJul 2, 2017 11:29 AM
| I just caught up and realized this was a 2-cour. Inb4 the King dude is actually the scion of some ancient peoples who wants to reclaim his rightful place. Inb4 humans actually ruled the universe before gods and demons, but were the first to get rekt by Bahamut. MAPPA animation and even CGI as good as always. Shitty card game doesn't deserve this studio =/ |
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deadoptimist said: What I mean is that her experience with him isn't solely positive. As for his personality, sadly, it's not explained enough - we have seen more of him than Nina, but I don't think that it has become clear what makes him tick, no backstory either, and Nina, actually, hasn't interacted with his real self aside from a few moments in weird situations. She can't possibly love him for what she doesn't know (she may love him for what she imagines to be his personality though, ok). Btw, what irks me the most is the complete lack of life in his normal environment, that's not even realistic. Even if he was downright psychopatic, he should've had close henchmen and should've worried more about his elite soldiers. I agree that it doesn't seem so strange that he can separate between his personal attractions and his work, actually he even should do so to a degree to be a good king, so it must come natural to him. (Even though I am not sure that you can be a king with a big idea solely as a job, his plan for superiosity of humans seems to be his conviction.) And he is an authority so he has space for maneuver - nobody's gonna oppose him for minor things. Nina is in his power or at least in the midst of his plans, so it wouldn't be so easy to make a distinction for her, and she's very young, it's her first love - it's a bit cruel to heap all this on her. But my take on it is that Charioce probably just allows himself to have a bit of fun in dealing with a cute and pure girl, who is also strong and special, teasing her a bit, before letting go of his life. I suppose he know that Dromos comes with a price I haven't watched Speed Grapher. Was it tragic? Bahamut isn't too random with its shots, and this panning shot (eh, if I use the term right) was extremely strange. It doesn't make much sense unless something was lurking in the shadows. But maybe I overthink things regarding this moment. Making Charioce a puppet would give them a way to redeem him, but I like characters who suffer because of their own mind, so I am not sure I would be happy with this development. On the other hand, him dying spectacularly is too predictable. I don't know if you have read akatsuki no yona manga .there is an antagonist in that story you may find very interesting.he killed king to save his country.he sacrifised a lot and has a very well written internal conflict(suffers because of his own mindset).he is intellegent and very kind to his people and subordinates.his interactions with his subordinates is also well written.but he is antagionist anyway because the story is about previous king's doughter. Also you can be sure they will give charioce a proper and probably tragic backstory.plus more encounters with nina.they wrote a romantic story ,they will not allow people think:charioce has his fun with a very young pure girl.they will deepen it.(if you saw the endcard charioce hand was on his heart with smile and hopeful look on his face.they add it to emphasize on charioce true love.)otherwise female audience will not be pleased. i agree with you.they must show more of his every day life .it is also irritating how he does'nt show any emotions when his soldiers die.he has their complete obeyance so he must be a good leader for them.it just does'nt fit that image.. |
Natsume_hikariJul 2, 2017 3:45 PM
Natsume_hikari said: I don't know if you have read akatsuki no yona manga .there is an antagonist in that story you may find very interesting.he killed king to save his country.he sacrifised a lot and has a very well written internal conflict(suffers because of his own mindset).he is intellegent and very kind to his people and subordinates.his interactions with his subordinates is also well written.but he is antagionist anyway because the story is about previous king's doughter. The fact that Akatsuki no Yona quickly switches to "collect all bishies" instead of showing more of him is the true tragedy of that manga. I do find this part of the story intriguing as hell. Sadly I find the rest is not on par, though I am not up to date with the events. Judging from what you write there were new developments on his character. And yeah, big thanks for your advice! |
| BUT WHERE IS AZAZEL??? That major concern aside, this was an awesome episode...it felt like 5 minutes. It was great seeing Nina fighting in her dragon form- the scene where Charioce takes his glove off to touch her cheek was beautiful. Does that mean he basically has complete control over her transformations though? Right now she's madly in love with him so only he can affect her enough to transform...and it looked like she turned back human because he touched her too. also did anyone else see that subtle boob grab...like Charioce, please don't grope unconscious ladies lol Seems like he's really in love with her too though; that hug said it all. Definitely not an Azazel hug lmao Still want Azazel & Nina as end game though- I like their dynamic more, it's just more my cup of tea. I don't see Charioce x Nina actually working once they spend more time together...it feels like simple fascination & puppy love. Something just doesn't feel right with them! Favaro got blown away, Kaisar went back and let himself get caught (probably to try to save him). Assuming they both get thrown back in jail again, I'm guessing they'll meet Azazel there? Then Rita will have to save them again. Things are getting interesting now with two separate parties- Nina & Jeanne going to the Dragon Village and Rita, Kaisar & Favaro back at the castle. |
Strawberrycake48Jul 2, 2017 4:44 PM
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| Goddamn!! This episode was excellently intense!! |
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| This show reminds me of Starcraft. Terran dominating both Zerg and Protoss, the space alien versions of demons and gods lel. @Strawberrycake48 He's probably in the process of escaping, and might pop up l8tr. |
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MortalMelancholy said: This show reminds me of Starcraft. Terran dominating both Zerg and Protoss, the space alien versions of demons and gods lel.. I think it's pretty clear how everyone thinks about the Gods in this show: I think you just identified the one general flaw of Bahamut: the whole governmental workings in general make no sense and feel lifeless. We see commoners, we see kings, we see knights, and a lavish palace, but there is no court at life. There's no nobles, hardly any pages, no politics, no nothing. Then there's Anatae, a huge wealthy capital at the core of the nation, quickly rebuild after the Bahamut incident, yet there is no periphery. There seem to be no other cities, only small villages, most of which decimated or economically crippled by Bahamut. There is Dromos, there is a massive army of knights in full plate or better (onyx),.. it just doesn't add up. There is no population, no economy, no trade, no nothing to support the wealth, development and maintenance of the nation. (Demon) slaves only get you so far if you're lacking raw materials, and in order to defeat Gods and Demons, Charioce would allready have had to have substantial resources at his disposal priorly. Regarding Speed Grapher, I will PM you my answer, since it will be too spoilerish for a non-related forum. |
LaionidasJul 3, 2017 12:59 AM
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| Another awesome satisfying episode! especially the OST! Red Dragon form of Nina is still powerful as ever! As expected..that forbidden power is related to Bahamut! LOL at Kaizar...he has the time to smile to all those soldiers that's gonna beat him up! 5/5. |
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Laionidas said: I think you just identified the one general flaw of Bahamut: the whole governmental workings in general make no sense and feel lifeless. We see commoners, we see kings, we see knights, and a lavish palace, but there is no court at life. There's no nobles, hardly any pages, no politics, no nothing. Then there's Anatae, a huge wealthy capital at the core of the nation, quickly rebuild after the Bahamut incident, yet there is no periphery. There seem to be no other cities, only small villages, most of which decimated or economically crippled by Bahamut. There is Dromos, there is a massive army of knights in full plate or better (onyx),.. it just doesn't add up. There is no population, no economy, no trade, no nothing to support the wealth, development and maintenance of the nation. (Demon) slaves only get you so far if you're lacking raw materials, and in order to defeat Gods and Demons, Charioce would allready have had to have substantial resources at his disposal priorly. Regarding Speed Grapher, I will PM you my answer, since it will be too spoilerish for a non-related forum. I would go as far as saying that Virgin Souls fails at depicting politics, despite making it into one of the central parts of the show in this season. For example, even after all said and done, it's still unclear what demons want from people (gods want prayers and demons - ?) and whether they're ontologically bad or at least fundamentally hostile to humans. And the show jumps a lot - demon slavery is quickly forgotten and the big question where they ship demon kids from is left unanswered (I mean, do they maintain a military presense in Cocytus?) Does the king give papers to legal slavers? Why the king is willing to integrate some demons into human society but wants only blood from gods? And it'd be a huge waste if the demon who won the "honor" of being the leader of the demon brigade died like that. What's with demons ransacking the capital as recently as 7 years ago? What's with the top of Orlean knights going to demon brothels? Shouldn't they have shown at least some bits of the gods' worshipping religion besides Jeanne? Secondly, imo, Anatae still doesn't feel like a living place, and that's bad, considering that everything happens there. I totally agree that what they say about the scale of humanity's operations just doesn't add up with what we see. But I can ignore some of these things while they show action and pretty love scenes, since Bahamut obviously isn't trying to challenge anyone's ideas about governing. But flavor could've been done better, and - yeah - the show fails especially, painfully hard at depicting court life, which hurts Charioce's character (and Kaisar with Jeanne a bit). And this is major. We see him from Nina's pov, we know a bit about how others view him, but his scenes in his normal environment are mostly a waste of time - not informative at all, aside from confirming that he doesn't have social skills (and he's a leader, wtf). I did facepalm at the scene where he watched his army die sitting on a balcony, surrounded by ministers, not even generals or war advisors, not even a person to relate orders quickly in sight or a personal guard close by. Why doesn't anybody navigate to him when they see him on the battlefield in the last ep.? They would normally want orders and a chance for ass-licking. Why is his working room so uncomfortable? And why doesn't he replace the minister he expressedly disrespected even during his coronation? It's his court, ans he's not some sort of a conforming token heir, he's an usurper, a warrior king and a bringer of reform. He can't be sucessful without some trusted people. Like, it's impossible. Even if they can't spare too much designs on the court, there should've been at least two named characters the king interacts with. Or they at least should've made him interact with masked soldiers. We could at least see how he called that mage and what the mage's reaction was like. |
deadoptimistJul 3, 2017 1:23 PM
(The quotes in your posts are not right, methinks.) I agree with your statements about the court life, but I think that what you say doesn't excuse the lack of good court scenes but make the need for them only bigger. When the gods' gate appears, Charioce is surrounded by the same old ministers who were whispering during his - very in-your-face- coronation. Why hasn't he replaced them in 7 years? New faces shoud've appeared. Everyone has read during their school history about an example of strife among the older nobility and the newer nobility after a young monarch has been crowned. And if he is a military leader and loves to fight (which is inconsistent, since he was shown to be more battle-hungry in early episodes, but they finally added a sword to his everyday garb in later episodes), then why is he sitting on an armchair instead of leading his army? It must be demotivating to his soldiers too. Well, yeah, if I calculate it again with new info, he may be in his early 20-s. I saw somewhere that the director said that Kaisar was of his age back then, and that was 26, but it's hearsay, nothing proven. Technically Charioce could start his political life around 14, even though going through 3 other kings in 3 years for a mere bastard seems too fast. Still it's often said that people matured faster back then, and he can very well be a prodigy (or get assistance). But during the coronation he looks younger than Kaisar in the first season, even if that was 7 years ago, and he said that he was as old as Kaisar 10 years ago. Anyways, anime age has always been bullshit, and Nina is still very immature and barely legal, but ok, I agree that maybe the age difference is smaller than I thought. |
| Why did charioce decide to help nina turn into a dragon and slay his own troops? The fuck is going on here? |
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| Whoa, that was a really great episode :o Putting my fangirling aside for a moment, it was quite a surprise that Nina doesn't seem to care much that Charioce sent her to prison, or for what he's done to Jeanne :D Ow man, can't even blame her, how can you resist this guy!  HNNNNG >w< Such a shame Favaro and Kaisar are split AGAIN already, I wanted to see more of them, I don't care about some dragon village :( |
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| @Tigerblanket @deadoptimist Still seems weird... I remember a few episodes back, Charioce already had a suspicion that Nina was the Dragon in city, so to help her with such a strange request just seems odd. My best guess is that Charioce just doesn't care about his men (as he already won the battle) and just wanted to see the capabilities of the Dragon/Nina, being the sociopath he is. This, or he actually had no clue and he just did it out of romance (even though it seems very forced and atypical of his character). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Comander-07 said: Charioce used his eye to activate the doomsday device, and the bracelet on his wrist is imbued with the same impure energy, slowly eating at him. It will be elaborated later one.just went from a 7 to an 8. These animations where flawless! Also it seems charioce is actually concerned about nina. But do you loose eyesight just by getting hit? Or was that some sort of negative side effect of the weapon? Noticed the strains on his arm where his magic wrist band is? Ah Okay I thought something like this would be going on because I saw his hand/arm but since he lost eyesight on the side where nina hit him I was wondering if this was actually the reason XD |
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| a great dragon transformation adn the battle stopped...was a nice episode too!!!! |
| Charioce lost his eye, he could be a nice guy, and I could ship him with Nina, but really, why can't he accept to live in peace with demons and angels?! |
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| Large scale conflict so much animation needed. Good episode as usual. |
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| Epic episode! Why the hell Nina didn't kill Charioce when she was in dragon form?? Is she in love? Or did she want to keep him alive because he is the only one who is able to turn her upside down?? |
| The clash between Nina and the stone giant was so exciting and full of anxiety, I almost thought she could not win the clash and not even get rid of black knights who wanted to immobilize her. The character of Charioce, remains a mystery to me, who knows who really is. Nina has not disfigured in this episode, but the best is Rita, the final scene was mythical, with her almost like a boss. I'm only sorry that the characters of Favaro and Kaisar, have not seen much during the episode. |
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We can say that with this scene, the episode is complete in every point of view. Including the funny scene in which Kaisar smiles at his detractors. XD |
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