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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Solid action this episode. I really like how well made they made the batttle scenes (reminds me of Warhammer cinematics). We also got to see Nina fight (not in her Red Dragon form). I think her combat skills even improved since we've last seen her. Gotta love how Favaro standing up to fight for what he believes in. That ending with the dragon gave me legit chills. ED Card  |
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| Another episode of "Charioce did nothing wrong" with even Favaro defending him now. Yeah, there's no saving this mess. I'll give it a 3/10. What a shame. |
| If they are bringing Bahamut back they have better save Amira as well... |
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| Bahamut was revived and Charioce's goal was to slay him. He should sit back and let Favaro handle it. Since Bahamut was revived, does that mean Amira will come back?? Nina fighting her way through was impressive. She showed a different side of her. |
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BenMS said: @ Topic - I hope the Angels and the Devils can forgive Charioce - I'm pretty sure Jeanne has become the tyrant type which she despised originally. Yeah. How dare she seeking justice after the King trying to murder her and her son, forcing her to cut her own sons wing off, bathing him in demon blood and then let him life as a mute slave while getting imprisoned by the king. Really. She should just hug and forgive him. |
Leo_10 said: Bahamut was revived Charioce's goal was to slay him. Since Bahamut was revived, does that mean Amira will come back?? Most likely. She did become part of Bahamut at the end of Genesis after all, so the chances of seeing her again next episode or in the finale are pretty high. |
| I was sure that we will have something like that (main opponent of the story turns out to be a good guy who is dedicated to fight bigger threat and sacrifice his life for humanity). But why Charioce had to hide his true intentions? Why fight with gods? They would surely cooperate with him if he reavealed what he knew. It doesn't make sense and only reason why he behaved like that is obviously poor scenario which required that kind of plot twist - which, as I said before, wasn't even suprising. |
| Reminder that Alessand is responsible for the war. Fuck Alessand. Other than that, that first Bahamut blast was fkin LIT, animation had me sweating almost. wew. o_O That twist wasn't really a twist as everyone who paid attention saw this coming from a mile away. What i didn't like was Nina going in there fucking shit up without thinking and then when she can cut off the hand...does not finish the job. That was pretty weak writing. Hella entertaining though, i'm interested how this will end. |
| I'm not convince with Charoice reasoning. If he want to defeat Bahamut, then why did he hide it from the rest and even risk fighting Gods? It doesn't make any sense. If this is not explained, it will be the biggest plot holes in anime. Anyway, welcome back Bahamut. I hope Amira will return too. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: I'm not convince with Charoice reasoning. If he want to defeat Bahamut, then why did he hide it from the rest and even risk fighting Gods? It doesn't make any sense. If this is not explained, it will be the biggest plot holes in anime. Anyway, welcome back Bahamut. I hope Amira will return too. This. You're absolutely right If there's one thing every species could agree upon it is that Bahamut is bad news. It's all part of anime's "no one is really bad" zeitgeist. I'm getting a pretty fed up to be honest of this constant softening up of villains. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Smudy said: Reminder that Alessand is responsible for the war. Fuck Alessand. Other than that, that first Bahamut blast was fkin LIT, animation had me sweating almost. wew. o_O That twist wasn't really a twist as everyone who paid attention saw this coming from a mile away. What i didn't like was Nina going in there fucking shit up without thinking and then when she can cut off the hand...does not finish the job. That was pretty weak writing. Hella entertaining though, i'm interested how this will end. Yeah,... weak writing... Look up the phenomenon known as "love". Something you can not fathom =/= bad writing. You're going to try to defend this garbage with "it's love, you just don't get it"? Man, how delusional are you? |
| Alright, what is this shit? He wishes to revive Bahamut, so he went out to enslave all the demons and slay all the gods? Where the fuck is the logic in all of that??!?!?! I don't give a damn if he wasn't involved in ordering Nina's assassination or Mugaro's murder, but what was the point in making all of God-kin and Demon-kind your enemy? Would it not have been better to have started negotiations to acquire the technology and necessary equipment needed in order to do whatever you're doing to revive Bahamut without resorting to turning the other two factions of your world against you? Was there no room for negotiation 10 years ago when all three factions had banded together to imprison Bahamut? Could the King back then, once they found the demon's records, not have called an alliance that could have included all parties for the very purpose of coming up with a scheme to vanquish Bahamut once and for all?!?!?! Seriously, where the fuck has logic gone??? Oh and on a side note, Kaiser, how much MORE of a beta bitch are you going to become? What did you think you could do after claiming responsibility for causing Mugaro's death anyway? You expected Jeanne to execute you on the spot and walk back to heaven? You really think you could abate her anger by offering yourself up as penance? My god does this man even have any more braincells left? Everything she said there was spot on. Can't fault her one bit for continuing with her vendetta. |
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| THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS thats the principle of Charioce actions all along, he will do even evil things as long as the end result is for the greater good and that is to finally kill Bahamut and wow i never thought Bahamut will be shown this season too lol and i hope Favaro can finally save Amira this time from Bahamut |
isekai said: THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS thats the principle of Charioce actions all along, he will do even evil things as long as the end result is for the greater good and that is to finally kill Bahamut and wow i never thought Bahamut will be shown this season too lol How does murdering, torturing and mutilating innocent children fit into his plan? |
Fipse said: isekai said: THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS thats the principle of Charioce actions all along, he will do even evil things as long as the end result is for the greater good and that is to finally kill Bahamut and wow i never thought Bahamut will be shown this season too lol How does murdering, torturing and mutilating innocent children fit into his plan? he cannot control everything thats how bad and unfair the principle of THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS anyway and he only care about humans from what i remember, he does not care about god race and demon race |
isekai said: he cannot control everything thats how bad and unfair the principle of THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS anyway and he only care about humans from what i remember, he does not care about god race and demon race Sounds like a racist asshole to me. |
Fipse said: isekai said: he cannot control everything thats how bad and unfair the principle of THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS anyway and he only care about humans from what i remember, he does not care about god race and demon race Sounds like a racist asshole to me. well he is, remember when he fight Kaisar and said that its humanity's time to shine while Kaisar wants co-existence with god race and demon race? ye Charioce goal is to kill Bahamut for revenge and for the sake of humanity only |
| I sort of dislike this sudden 'Charioce is working for the good of humanity' twist. It doesn't make much sense either, like all of the reasons you could come up with why he allowed the situation with gods to deteriorate that much instead of, I don't know, trying to talk to them? why he abused the demons so much, why he picked up a fight with gods, all what happened with Jean, why he spouted all that crap about proving humanity better and a multitude of other various whys - all those reasons are shallow and unconvincing. Well, the show's still spectacular, but I have to drop my score now from 9 to 8. |
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isekai said: well he is, remember when he fight Kaisar and said that its humanity's time to shine while Kaisar wants co-existence with god race and demon race? ye Charioce goal is to kill Bahamut for revenge and for the sake of humanity only The problem with this is basically that never in this show, has there been a moment when it was mentioned that any weapon, not even the one set up at Anatea, had the power to vanquish Bahamut once and for all. All that was mentioned was that Martinet's research was the destructive force of Bahamut and that the gods had sealed away that technology. There was no correlation that said sealed technology could destroy Bahamut. Now here's the question, if Martinet's research had already revealed so much, then why did no one in the last decade call out the Gods about this? Not the Humans, nor the Demons who did this research? If there was such a way to vanquish Bahamut 100%, then obviously it should've been revealed to all three parties, regardless of the risks involved. Heck, they could've even forced cooperation from the gods if it really were 100% worth the risk (like, either you let us use the tech, or we make you obsolete by turning all your believers against you by revealing that you had a way to kill off the greatest evil in our world but decided NOT to use it, or something like that). It's obvious that Charioce doesn't have a 100% surefire plan to kill off the monster, otherwise he would have revealed what he was doing to the gods and demons to force their cooperation, and probably would have received it as well (heck, who wouldn't want to obliterate Bahamut permanently in their world). The only reason why they had to do everything in secret is because they believe it will work, but have no basis for supporting that belief. That's why they had to forcibly steal the tech from the gods (and yet it still doesn't explain the torture and enslavement of demons). There is no indication, and no reason to believe what he's planning will work, yet he is willing to unleash Bahamut onto the world, use an unsealed weapon of the gods AND turn every other faction against him just to try it. Where's the logic in all of that? |
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| @L-Ryoshi but even the Goddess Gabriel said that forbidden technology can give destruction as much as Bahamut so that fact alone is convincing enough for him especially that Charioce and the rest of his minions wants to kill Bahamut once and for all (but ye they will fail anyway since there will be no sequel if Bahamut is killed now lol) |
Wasshio said: isekai said: THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS thats the principle of Charioce actions all along, he will do even evil things as long as the end result is for the greater good and that is to finally kill Bahamut and wow i never thought Bahamut will be shown this season too lol and i hope Favaro can finally save Amira this time from Bahamut Yes, ends justify the means. However, that doesn't make it even less of an asshole, if that makes sense. I still dislike him but I don't dislike him more, it's less, but still disliking him. ye i agree with that Hitler for example is an example in history using the idea of the end justify the means, he wants to conquer the world all for the sake of white supremacists or german race |
isekai said: @L-Ryoshi but even the Goddess Gabriel said that forbidden technology can give destruction as much as Bahamut so that fact alone is convincing enough for him especially that Charioce and the rest of his minions wants to kill Bahamut once and for all (but ye they will fail anyway since there will be no sequel if Bahamut is killed now lol) Yeah, I understand that, and I think you do too. But what we're discussing here is the logic of Charioce and his retainer's decisions. I don't believe that anyone in the human faction have their heads on straight right now. Like I said before, they are willing to risk the destruction of their world purely by releasing Bahamut from his seal for a possibility and not an absolute assurance that they might be able to kill him for good with ancient sealed technology which even they probably don't know how to use properly. You would think there'd be some people on the human side who might just go "hey wait a sec, this plan isn't 100% foolproof, maybe we should think this through, or better yet consult with ALL THE OTHER FACTIONS before we do something stupid like offend all the gods and demons and destroy the entire world." like maybe 10 years ago? The logic for all of their actions thus far has been flawed and that makes for some awful writing and if you ask me. The fact that 99.5% of the entire human population in this series are born with no braincells just blows my mind. |
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| Charioce's logic isn't really making a lot of sense but honestly I'm just happy to see Bahamut returning so I'll just sit back and enjoy these final 2 episodes. Maybe we'll even see Amira again, who knows. |
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The thought of Alessand being "resposible" for the war, this goes both ways of right & wrong. Just like Jeanne has said it out, regardless of Alessand killed her son or not, the war will still goes off in the future. Thats because the "seed" has long been planted by Charioce himself, Alessand's d1ck move only speed up the war to happen. |
| How I suppose to take serious people who said that Charioce's logic has "no sense" when since the episode 5 he said he wanted humankind to be powerful enough in order no never depend of Gods or demons, and be able to defeat even the final boss, Bahamut. Gods are prideful and demons are abusives towards humans, Charioce's rasoning of not depending of them has many sense and I totally support it, and even if everything has sense, he is able to feel guilty about everything he has done and was able to say it in the episode 17. It seems that there are people here that watch the episodes in which only appear their favorite characters and then they forget about the rest. Why I am not surprised at all? I feel bad for Jeanne but now her actions are really cuestionables, I know she feels horrible because her child was killed by an idiot, but bring people to death because of her own suffering looks like what she did in the previous season killing the archangels, because of her own suffering, and this time is even worse because she is not being manipulated, it's everything her own choice but surprinsingly there is no people talking about it. I am tired of this double standard in this fandom. Stop blaming characters only because you don't like them and start to be rational. |
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| this is so absolutely stupid attempt to give "charioce did nothing wrong!" moment. his goal is to kill bahamut, OKAY, why did he stay silent and play villain who make enemy of literally everyone instead of actually working with everyone to slay bahamut? like you know, how the previous groups slain bahamut togheter or during ancient flashback times where everyone working togheter? moron. he murdered gods and enslave demon for nothing. god this is so stupid. |
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GangsterCat said: he murdered gods and enslave demon for nothing. god this is so stupid. That's just BS sorry but seriously? nelliecatalinas also wrote it he stated many episodes ago that one of his goals is to make humans the greatest race. What i actually find insane is that Charioce went ahead and made the demons and gods his enemy but didn't get rid of the gods before going on with his primary goal of slaying Bahamut. And where did they say "Charioce did nothing wrong"? What he did he did for his goal of killing Bahamut and having humans as the strongest race, which literally means kill the gods and demons. The pacing was horrible this episode. Clearly they didn't plan properly and wasted too much time the last episodes and now it is rushed like hell. |
| The CGI dragon of my nightmares is back |
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L-Ryoshi said: I don't give a damn if he wasn't involved in ordering Nina's assassination or Mugaro's murder, but what was the point in making all of God-kin and Demon-kind your enemy? Would it not have been better to have started negotiations to acquire the technology and necessary equipment needed in order to do whatever you're doing to revive Bahamut without resorting to turning the other two factions of your world against you? Was there no room for negotiation 10 years ago when all three factions had banded together to imprison Bahamut? Could the King back then, once they found the demon's records, not have called an alliance that could have included all parties for the very purpose of coming up with a scheme to vanquish Bahamut once and for all?!?!?! To be fair, no one took humans seriously at the time. In fact, up until Bahamut escaped the seal, the gods and the demons were still basically in a Cold War instead of banding together to stop the impeding apocalypse. I don't agree with everything Charioce did, but I can understand why he didn't trust the gods or the demons. |
| Some people have been saying the enslaving and kill at first was to help revive Bahamut since he's the reset button when things go too south in the world. That means he did that to revive him faster I guess? |
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| Guys guys....everyone chill. We are officially at the point in the story where it can be summed up as one sentence: FUCK IT, WE'RE DOING IT LIVE! |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| There's some really poor writing at work here We does Charioce need to kill the gods and demons? to be the strongest? WTF does this matter when you up against Bahamut. Its insulting as a viewer to watch as they try an excuse him under the pretence it was for the greater good. How may tyrants and dictators in history have done the same but we dont revere them as some anti hero. Why do his plans need to be so secret anyway, im sure nobody want the bloody Dragon back. Its also never really explained why Bahamut is back they just skimmed over it. Also Nina's character has also been ruined by her constant pining for King Genocide. Can we get Amira back please, a heroine who at least had conviction and backbone. |
| I still don't think of Charioce as a good guy, he commited terrible sins and there is no way a reason like "I want to slay Bahamut" will work. Anyway Bahamut gave me straight up chills, what a beautiful dragon! I'll be pissed if we don't see Amira now, also I want Nina to know of Favaro and his feats, that would be cool |
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| Leave it to Nina to disappoint the fuck out of me (AGAIN) and for Favaro + Kaisar and to try and use some type of bullshit means to attempt to redeem Charioce THIS MAN IS AN EVIL TYRANT PIECE OF SHIT THAT IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF ThOUSANDS....Yeah he didn't order king of fuckboys to kill Mugaro but this cunt king tried to kill him many times before (It's amazing how Kaisar doesn't know that) The only thing keeping me from raging during this ep was watching Jeanne and the others go HAM + Favaro thinking about best girl Amira (Please let her come back to life) and like I thought, Charioce's plan does not paint him in a good light at all yet alone does it make any fucking sense (So it was good to have my hate for him be 100% justified) I hope Bahamut kills his ass though because man do I miss seeing that beautiful dragon killing/machine lol |
nelliecatalinas said: How I suppose to take serious people who said that Charioce's logic has "no sense" when since the episode 5 he said he wanted humankind to be powerful enough in order no never depend of Gods or demons, and be able to defeat even the final boss, Bahamut. Gods are prideful and demons are abusives towards humans, Charioce's rasoning of not depending of them has many sense and I totally support it, and even if everything has sense, he is able to feel guilty about everything he has done and was able to say it in the episode 17. It seems that there are people here that watch the episodes in which only appear their favorite characters and then they forget about the rest. Why I am not surprised at all? I feel bad for Jeanne but now her actions are really cuestionables, I know she feels horrible because her child was killed by an idiot, but bring people to death because of her own suffering looks like what she did in the previous season killing the archangels, because of her own suffering, and this time is even worse because she is not being manipulated, it's everything her own choice but surprinsingly there is no people talking about it. I am tired of this double standard in this fandom. Stop blaming characters only because you don't like them and start to be rational. Sorry bro, you aren't that rational yourself also. If you have stand in the middle, I would not have reply your comment. But you have take your stand on Charioce's side, then let me speak up a little. Firstly I want to point out the Gods are not prideful, angels is. The Gods(season 1) gave human the power to defend against the demons for nothing in return except prayers & an entity to look up to. Even the angels are not prideful from the start, a good example is Michael who have great faith in humanity. The reason why Gabriel become prideful the way she is now was all because of the Bahamut incident(season 1) which killed many Gods & angels along with it and Charioce's incident which he using the god given power to strike back at the Gods temple(episode 1). Seriously even me would get agitated by all the events, definately Gabriel's personality was warped as she needs to lead the remaining angels. Secondly "demons are abusive", part right part wrong. Demons never start a war with human nor did they enslaves the humans to the extent like what Charioce did. So basically the demons are just like your average crooks in alley, doing bad things here & there, which is an obvious thing because they are demons duh. But the Gods did gave human the power to defend. In the end what happen? Both Gods & demons lost many due to Bahamut incident from working together to seal it for the sake of world. Your comment support for Charioce is definately not wrong, but its not something to be encouraged. Charioce's action & choice for the sake of humankind and slaying Bahamut as end goal have too much price to pay and many karmas will come from it. Killing Angels and enslaving demons are definately not the only way for the sake of something, and along the way other casualties suffer from it. Regardless of angels & demons, life is still life. Charioce feeling guilty doesn't change the fact of him doing many evils, slaying Bahamut in the price of many doesn't make him any good, he is not a saint but a selfish king. What did his action brings? Seed of hatred and revenge all over the place which will cause something sooner or later just like in this episode. There should be plenty of ways to make humankind stronger, remaining angels maybe prideful but they never ask for anything physical and even continue to provide power after Bahamut incident. Charioce could have in a way ignore the the angels, and continue to use god's power to kill the demons. Charioce could have the choice to have table discussion with Gabriel & Lucifer in regards to Bahamut, but no, lets kill angels & enslave demons to slay Bahamut himself. I believe you never watch this episode properly. Jeanne has already exlained it, whether Alessand killed her son or not, the war will one day happen and the seeds of hatred & revenge will explode. Alessand's d1ck move only speed up the process. As I have already said Charioce slaying Bahamut goal doesn't make him a saint of the world, Jeanne to you who opposed Charioce doesn't make her look bad also. You think all the human/demon/angel fighting along in this war is all because Jeanne's son was killed? Wrong. All of them fight because Charioce's selfish action affected them, Jeanne is only leading the armies. Just so you know if Charioce do evil for the sake of humankind then Jeanne also has the right to start war(which the fuse is lighting up at the back) for the sake of her son. El may have been killed by Alessand, but the cause and evil intention all comes from Charioce. Don't forget that Charioce has wanted to kill El from the start. Her war only kill the armies defending the city, all the residents are evacuating. To sum up, Jeanne's action is not questionable and deem just, the one who bring people to death is because Charioce brought forth the war himself. Bro, don't Idolize Charioce just because he is doing it for the sake of humankind and start to be rational. " tired of this double standard in this fandom", saying this doesn't make you looked right and clever, you are just standing at the opposite of those who are against Charioce, not the middle ones who think Charioce's action is understandable but still wrong. |
valvravetruthSep 15, 2017 4:01 PM
| So Charioce did all those evil things just so he can revive Bahamut and kill it for revenge. Okay... It makes sense I guess. No one would agree to help him do it so he had to make everyone hate him to make the plan work. And it looks like it worked. I still don't like him though. The end doesn't justify the means. |
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valvravetruth said: nelliecatalinas said: How I suppose to take serious people who said that Charioce's logic has "no sense" when since the episode 5 he said he wanted humankind to be powerful enough in order no never depend of Gods or demons, and be able to defeat even the final boss, Bahamut. Gods are prideful and demons are abusives towards humans, Charioce's rasoning of not depending of them has many sense and I totally support it, and even if everything has sense, he is able to feel guilty about everything he has done and was able to say it in the episode 17. It seems that there are people here that watch the episodes in which only appear their favorite characters and then they forget about the rest. Why I am not surprised at all? I feel bad for Jeanne but now her actions are really cuestionables, I know she feels horrible because her child was killed by an idiot, but bring people to death because of her own suffering looks like what she did in the previous season killing the archangels, because of her own suffering, and this time is even worse because she is not being manipulated, it's everything her own choice but surprinsingly there is no people talking about it. I am tired of this double standard in this fandom. Stop blaming characters only because you don't like them and start to be rational. Sorry bro, you aren't that rational yourself also. If you have stand in the middle, I would not have reply your comment. But you have take your stand on Charioce's side, then let me speak up a little. Firstly I want to point out the Gods are not prideful, angels is. The Gods(season 1) gave human the power to defend against the demons for nothing in return except prayers & an entity to look up to. Even the angels are not prideful from the start, a good example is Michael who have great faith in humanity. The reason why Gabriel become prideful the way she is now was all because of the Bahamut incident(season 1) which killed many Gods & angels along with it and Charioce's incident which he using the god given power to strike back at the Gods temple(episode 1). Seriously even me would get agitated by all the events, definately Gabriel's personality was warped as she needs to lead the remaining angels. Secondly "demons are abusive", part right part wrong. Demons never start a war with human nor did they enslaves the humans to the extent like what Charioce did. So basically the demons are just like your average crooks in alley, doing bad things here & there, which is an obvious thing because they are demons duh. But the Gods did gave human the power to defend. In the end what happen? Both Gods & demons lost many due to Bahamut incident from working together to seal it for the sake of world. Your comment support for Charioce is definately not wrong, but its not something to be encouraged. Charioce's action & choice for the sake of humankind and slaying Bahamut as end goal have too much price to pay and many karmas will come from it. Killing Angels and enslaving demons are definately not the only way for the sake of something, and along the way other casualties suffer from it. Regardless of angels & demons, life is still life. Charioce feeling guilty doesn't change the fact of him doing many evils, slaying Bahamut in the price of many doesn't make him any good, he is not a saint but a selfish king. What did his action brings? Seed of hatred and revenge all over the place which will cause something sooner or later just like in this episode. There should be plenty of ways to make humankind stronger, remaining angels maybe prideful but they never ask for anything physical and even continue to provide power after Bahamut incident. Charioce could have in a way ignore the the angels, and continue to use god's power to kill the demons. Charioce could have the choice to have table discussion with Gabriel & Lucifer in regards to Bahamut, but no, lets kill angels & enslave demons to slay Bahamut himself. I believe you never watch this episode properly. Jeanne has already exlained it, whether Alessand killed her son or not, the war will one day happen and the seeds of hatred & revenge will explode. Alessand's d1ck move only speed up the process. As I have already said Charioce slaying Bahamut goal doesn't make him a saint of the world, Jeanne to you who opposed Charioce doesn't make her look bad also. You think all the human/demon/angel fighting along in this war is all because Jeanne's son was killed? Wrong. All of them fight because Charioce's selfish action affected them, Jeanne is only leading the armies. Just so you know if Charioce do evil for the sake of humankind then Jeanne also has the right to start war(which the fuse is lighting up at the back) for the sake of her son. El may have been killed by Alessand, but the cause and evil intention all comes from Charioce. Don't forget that Charioce has wanted to kill El from the start. Her war only kill the armies defending the city, all the residents are evacuating. To sum up, Jeanne's action is not questionable and deem just, the one who bring people to death is because Charioce brought forth the war himself. Bro, don't Idolize Charioce just because he is doing it for the sake of humankind and start to be rational. " tired of this double standard in this fandom", saying this doesn't make you looked right and clever, you are just standing at the opposite of those who are against Charioce, not the middle ones who think Charioce's action is understandable but still wrong. Sorry "bro" but if you point out to something so trivial as "I believe you never watch this episode properly", you are here the only one who is trying to look clever for someone who has a loli as an avatar. But oh well. Talking about what it matters here: The only one reason why Gods gave humans the power was not for them to pray at them, but submit them, because the Gods and the angels were always the only ones with power enough to confront the demons, that is a sign a pride, to have someone who constantly to be devoting at you, that's a very basic thought. And Gabriel was always like that, since the first season, I do think that's obvious when you watch the first season, but oh well, I can't blame if you don't remember because she appeared not much, but even the rest of archangels, being Michael the only exception (as Sofiel in this season) never trusted or thought about humans, they were constantly saying that give humans such power was unnecesary. So I'm right, Gods and angels doesn't care about humans. And yes, demons are abusive, Azazel being the first one in the first season with such theme, or you already forgot that was him the one who killed just for fun Favaro's and Kaisar's dad? And that's not all, in the episode 10 of this season, one of them killed an innocent child in front of Jeanne and Kaisar. And it's supposed to be me the one who's forgetting details? Human's dependency to Gods and fear to demons is what brought someone like Charioce to the scene, someone who is tired of it and for the first time, someone to rised humankind from being the last one to the top, and that's something you can easily see in the episode 1 of the first season. Of course, you can't pretend that something like that is not gonna bring some cruel actions and behaviors, but even knowing that he took the risk in order the their people to be free about. We are not talking about just 10 years, we are talking about humankind being ignored and killed by centuries, and that was something that Michael said in the episode 11 of the first season: "We forgot how to work together". But I can't forget how the Gods and the demons were dealing with humans all this time, I mean, you think they are gonna take the humans serious or their king? If they never did it before, why now? You are wrong, the races doesn't want to coexist, they want to be in the top, be powerful and better than any other race, what you are saying has no sense. Now, I know who is the one who doesn't understood anything about the first season and it's impossible for you to understand this one. And who here have said Charioce is now a saint? Ironically, the one who said that was you, because I was pointing out to just one dimension of his character, but thanks to God he is better than just that. He is not saint, not a savior, but someone who tried to do something different and take a risk in order to make his people not depending on anyone, that was his vow in the episode 10 and he talked about his goals to Kaisar in the episode 5. And this turns really funny when I remember that Charioce gave Jeanne the choice of be free and keep her son away of this war, and what was the thing that Jeanne did? Choose the God that abandon her the previous season, Jeanne did that choice, Charioce gave her the election back in the episode 11, and now what she is doing? Bringing hurted people to start the war with zero winners because her son was killed, she is not doing this because of that people behind her, she said by HERSELF, that people behind her has suffered thanks to Bahamut 10 years ago, that was something that Gabriel and even Lucifer pointed out in previous episodes, many times, and now everyone is marching out to a annihilation. How heroic, right? Again, it's questionable. I don't need to idealize someone or in this case, a fictional character to understand that what he wanted to do is to brake up the status quo that the Bahamut's world have. His plan itself has many things that I don't like, it's understandable and reckless, but at least he doesn't belong to that bag of beloved character of the fandom because he is victimized. |
CatnelacSep 15, 2017 11:15 PM
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