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Dec 14, 2016 11:26 PM

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Mkim said:
About the title: No

About the comment: Taking up the fact that the dude is literally called "Monkey D. Luffy", is using One Piece as his single example and saying that other creators should follow it's example, I'd say he's a """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""anime fan""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" and that he """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""totally knows what he's talking about""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I think your quotation mark key has glue on it.

BannoBunka_snork said:
edit - thought to comment on his Monkey D. Ruffy avatar, decided against it, and only now see mkim already covered that. nice. /edit

Ain't nothing wrong with liking a famous character.

EcchiLordMamster said:
Strong female characters are the best, my prefrence, and girls fighting/who can fight are my fetish, ecchi can only make it that much better

maybe this motherfucker should realize that some ppl are really into that.. i mean, thats kinda why those shows get made

i do believe though that there is a stigma against those kinds of characters, but then again, anytime girls body parts fill half the screen ppl start whining

This is actually a pretty interesting thing I've noticed in anime.

The "traditional sexist" view is that girls aren't good for anything other than sex appeal. But so now anime comes along and then puts them in action roles and makes them do all sorts of neat things. While also playing up their sex appeal. So is this "backwards" or "forwards" or both?

I've just gone with "both, and it's a complicated thing that can't be summarized like that".

That said, I agree with you, up to the point where you mentioned ecchi, though, since my personal taste is that I'd rather they not be ecchi'd.

OppaiSugoi said:
inb4 SJW's lmao

@cherrylover

edit: what have I done :0

methinks you basically b4'd your own inb4 lol

Hitman640509 said:
Isn't asking for a "Shounen" (a word that literally means "young boy") to be female centric a little silly? Generally these shows are power fantasies for young men, who project themselves onto these shows' powerful heroes and thereby achieve wish fulfillment. Specifically "shounen" action shows, therefore, will probably never have that many female protagonists. A lack of female main characters might also result from the preponderance of males in the industry, but that is just a guess.

Technically, "shounen" also refers to the demographic group, and stuff like Azumanga Daioh gets counted as shounen.

bratus said:
"meninist" I hope that signature is a troll because that coin of phrase is obviously to mock feminism's label and to parody femininsts in a way that mocks their entire ideology. I don't think that OP is sexist but is perhaps misguided.

Wouldn't the proper analogue be "masculinist" anyway?

And lol I turned sigs off. I like the forum better that way.

Faederwulf said:
People dislike such things because it defies basic human nature - the sexes are two complimentary halves of a whole, and are not intended to conflict. To use some real world examples: Why do you think it is that females tend to go for jobs that are people oriented (nurses, teachers, secretaries) while men go for object oriented jobs (engineer, mechanics, truck drivers)? Because we have a disposition towards this behaviour, and it's reflected in our taste in entertainment.

No, it's just that we raise them that way.

In recent years people have started to think outside those stereotypes and voila, it turns out that both genders can do both sets of jobs equally well, but people just largely choose the one that other people typically expect of them. So gender doesn't actually matter like that.

Also, the funny thing is that you're drawing a conclusion from OP's post after a bunch of people have debunked it. lol
 
Dec 14, 2016 11:50 PM
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GlennMagusHarvey said:
Faederwulf said:
People dislike such things because it defies basic human nature - the sexes are two complimentary halves of a whole, and are not intended to conflict. To use some real world examples: Why do you think it is that females tend to go for jobs that are people oriented (nurses, teachers, secretaries) while men go for object oriented jobs (engineer, mechanics, truck drivers)? Because we have a disposition towards this behaviour, and it's reflected in our taste in entertainment.

No, it's just that we raise them that way.

In recent years people have started to think outside those stereotypes and voila, it turns out that both genders can do both sets of jobs equally well, but people just largely choose the one that other people typically expect of them. So gender doesn't actually matter like that.

Also, the funny thing is that you're drawing a conclusion from OP's post after a bunch of people have debunked it. lol

You mean by forcing quotas and propaganda, people are starting to think outside these "stereotypes"? Even feminists who are the result of this reversing of natural gender roles go for people-orientated fields - sociology, women's studies, etc.

Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology. The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse. Female happiness has been declining since females were given the vote - why? Because political responsibility and power are burdens for a female, just as a responsibility to be forth-coming with emotions would be a burden for a male.

There are outliers of both sexes (men who are female-minded, women who are male-minded), but these could be argued to be a result of society. Either way, outliers are outliers - the majority forms the rule, minority forms the exception. This is the basis of rational thinking - if 9 people are safe and 1 person is sinking in quicksand, while it's important to try to help that 1 person, getting all 10 people stuck in the quicksand would be extremely unwise.
 
Dec 15, 2016 12:05 AM

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Faederwulf said:
GlennMagusHarvey said:

No, it's just that we raise them that way.

In recent years people have started to think outside those stereotypes and voila, it turns out that both genders can do both sets of jobs equally well, but people just largely choose the one that other people typically expect of them. So gender doesn't actually matter like that.

Also, the funny thing is that you're drawing a conclusion from OP's post after a bunch of people have debunked it. lol

You mean by forcing quotas and propaganda, people are starting to think outside these "stereotypes"? Even feminists who are the result of this reversing of natural gender roles go for people-orientated fields - sociology, women's studies, etc.

Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology. The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse. Female happiness has been declining since females were given the vote - why? Because political responsibility and power are burdens for a female, just as a responsibility to be forth-coming with emotions would be a burden for a male.

There are outliers of both sexes (men who are female-minded, women who are male-minded), but these could be argued to be a result of society. Either way, outliers are outliers - the majority forms the rule, minority forms the exception. This is the basis of rational thinking - if 9 people are safe and 1 person is sinking in quicksand, while it's important to try to help that 1 person, getting all 10 people stuck in the quicksand would be extremely unwise.

Even if society is constructed by biology (which is a lie), there is no reason for it to remain constructed by biology in the future. We can remake it, just like we have remade everything else. Because we are humans.
Well, I think we have already argued before, and you're still the same backwards-thinking person that tries to stop progress.

P.S. In my country, most doctors are female. Especially general doctors, but specialist doctors are mostly female too. And there are male nurses, but they work in places where strength is needed, like morgues.

Luuji222 said:
yes! mostly.
I'm having trouble watching medaka box,
because medaka always got beaten shit until she got hospitalized, it's frustrating :D lol. but shes strong. also freezing.

I don't remember Medaka being beaten up all that often, but anime has a lot of protagonists like this. Kamijou Touma did it so often, the doctor was suspecting he has a nurse fetish.

MasterHavik said:
People just want their waifus or husband at attempts at good writing is looked as," Boring" or "2 deep 4 me."

You shouldn't ask if they hate strong female characters you should ask if they hate well written and developed characters? I have seen people tell me it doesn't matter how bad the female characters are in harem anime just need to make sure they look good.

That's because "developed" is not a sign of good writing. It is a sign that a show had spent a lot of time on the character. For a short show, this probably means that it had done so at the expense of things actually happening, which is boring.
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Dec 15, 2016 12:12 AM

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Faederwulf said:
Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology.

The beginnings of society may be a product of biology, but the rest of it follows from a shitton of other factors.

Faederwulf said:
The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse.

For you to say this, it seems you don't have much experience with either romance or sex.
 
Dec 15, 2016 12:37 AM
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Why focus on battle shounen, though? And what's wrong with half-naked women? I mean, Witchblade is awesome, and hot. Oh, also, One Piece is a weird example considering characters like Hancock and Big Mom. 8 year olds don't seem to mind them.

Anyway, in thw time it takes to read that stupid comment you can find like a dozen top 10s of badass female characters or whatever.
 
Dec 15, 2016 12:43 AM

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@op

you read the subhuman shit that gets spewed on youtube?

tsk tsk

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on point watch tuskikage ran.

its probably the only show where the lead is a female. no fanservice. the show is basically a samurai show, where the mc is pretty much a guy, except its a woman. [read: not girl, woman]

unlike waifu erza, doesnt play 2nd fiddle to weaker natsu. and its not an all girl setting either.

btw, lucy is supposed to be the main protag in FT, the shows seen thru her.
 
Dec 15, 2016 12:56 AM

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I'd like more physically strong female characters actually, as they are my favorite type of character, though I like the sentimentally strong too.

I guess Air Master falls more into the "Satire" territory, but Maki is a fun and weird character nonetheless.

 
Dec 15, 2016 1:10 AM
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GlennMagusHarvey said:
Faederwulf said:
Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology.

The beginnings of society may be a product of biology, but the rest of it follows from a shitton of other factors.

Faederwulf said:
The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse.

For you to say this, it seems you don't have much experience with either romance or sex.

The most important questions are as follows - why does there need to be change to gender roles that stem from biology? Moreover, if gender roles in society are a result of biology (you agree'd that society started off this way), why would we change that? Biology hasn't changed, males are still males and are born with male brains, females are still females and born with female brains. Even if you deny that male and female brains are inherently different (which I can easily disprove with biologically accurate studies), why would society begin with gender roles if we weren't inherently different? Gender roles didn't just come from nowhere, they came from the natural differences in our sexual biology - male preference to object oriented tasks, female preference to people oriented tasks - men are like the Sun, females are like the Moon - both are important.

As for your claim that I don't have much experience with romance or sex, you would be very mistaken. I'm not proud of it, but I've "wooed" a lot of females, and I can tell you this - the more domineering you are, the more likely you are to get an ideal response in conversation. It's almost always men who will actively search for females, rather than the reverse. Why? Because females know they can wait and choose, if a male waits he'll die without offspring. Females are receptive and impressionable - including in conversation. They will always go along with what the males closest to them tell them is the correct path.

flannan said:
Faederwulf said:

You mean by forcing quotas and propaganda, people are starting to think outside these "stereotypes"? Even feminists who are the result of this reversing of natural gender roles go for people-orientated fields - sociology, women's studies, etc.

Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology. The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse. Female happiness has been declining since females were given the vote - why? Because political responsibility and power are burdens for a female, just as a responsibility to be forth-coming with emotions would be a burden for a male.

There are outliers of both sexes (men who are female-minded, women who are male-minded), but these could be argued to be a result of society. Either way, outliers are outliers - the majority forms the rule, minority forms the exception. This is the basis of rational thinking - if 9 people are safe and 1 person is sinking in quicksand, while it's important to try to help that 1 person, getting all 10 people stuck in the quicksand would be extremely unwise.

Even if society is constructed by biology (which is a lie), there is no reason for it to remain constructed by biology in the future. We can remake it, just like we have remade everything else. Because we are humans.
Well, I think we have already argued before, and you're still the same backwards-thinking person that tries to stop progress.

P.S. In my country, most doctors are female. Especially general doctors, but specialist doctors are mostly female too. And there are male nurses, but they work in places where strength is needed, like morgues.

If society does not stem from biology (that is to say, if biology did not predate society, which it obviously did), then where did society come from? Society is a function carried out by life, namely humans - life and humans are both biological. If you can suggest another origin of society, I am all ears - did society fall from the sky?
Why is there no reason for society to remain constructed by biology? If humans are biological and a part of nature, why would we defy our very existence? You claim that I'm backwards-thinking and against progress, but you're the one who is rotting the world around you, simply so you can live in your comfortable bubble-wrapped world, free from traditional male responsibilities. Or perhaps you're just obsessed with the illusion of freedom we have in modern society? The freedom to take actions that go against your best interests and make you miserable will not bring you happiness.
 
Dec 15, 2016 1:12 AM

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Not at all. I mean, there are a lot of otakus who fantasizes with having an hyperpowerful magical girlfriend who will protect them from every danger. Of course there will always be the sexists people who say things as stupid as that one dude you quoted, but they are not that vocal.

Btw, you should learn that Youtube community is pure cancer. Never take anyone from Youtube seriously.
 
Dec 15, 2016 1:26 AM

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no
if they hate strong female character, Fate series and AoT wouldn't become popular like now
 
Dec 15, 2016 1:41 AM

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Do anime fans HATE bait threads?

seems not
 
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I also wish there were more females as the main character. That's why someone like Misaka appeals to me. She's very cute and likable, but she also gets to kick ass and be the main focus in Railgun. That seems very rare, especially with a male author/director.

Also, I think I would like Fate/Stay Night more but the guys get in the way
 
Dec 15, 2016 1:55 AM

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"Anime fans" "HATES ON" "any and everything"... Nothing new about it...

Personally, I like good strong characters like Misaka Mikoto from Raildex...

But the Strong but annoying af characters like Mikasa from Attack on Titan?? Ye.. Screw em all...

Btw, you should learn that Youtube community is pure cancer. Never take anyone from Youtube seriously.
 
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irresolute said:
tragedydesu said:
no, i dont hate them
but i prefer cute ones over strong ones :3


is there a reason why we can't...have both
my thoughts exactly. It's one or the other. But if they're both then most of the time it's because it's for fanservice (Erza, Nami? Anyone? Just me? Ok.)
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Faederwulf said:
GlennMagusHarvey said:

The beginnings of society may be a product of biology, but the rest of it follows from a shitton of other factors.


For you to say this, it seems you don't have much experience with either romance or sex.

The most important questions are as follows - why does there need to be change to gender roles that stem from biology? Moreover, if gender roles in society are a result of biology (you agree'd that society started off this way), why would we change that? Biology hasn't changed, males are still males and are born with male brains, females are still females and born with female brains. Even if you deny that male and female brains are inherently different (which I can easily disprove with biologically accurate studies), why would society begin with gender roles if we weren't inherently different? Gender roles didn't just come from nowhere, they came from the natural differences in our sexual biology - male preference to object oriented tasks, female preference to people oriented tasks - men are like the Sun, females are like the Moon - both are important.

As for your claim that I don't have much experience with romance or sex, you would be very mistaken. I'm not proud of it, but I've "wooed" a lot of females, and I can tell you this - the more domineering you are, the more likely you are to get an ideal response in conversation. It's almost always men who will actively search for females, rather than the reverse. Why? Because females know they can wait and choose, if a male waits he'll die without offspring. Females are receptive and impressionable - including in conversation. They will always go along with what the males closest to them tell them is the correct path.

flannan said:

Even if society is constructed by biology (which is a lie), there is no reason for it to remain constructed by biology in the future. We can remake it, just like we have remade everything else. Because we are humans.
Well, I think we have already argued before, and you're still the same backwards-thinking person that tries to stop progress.

P.S. In my country, most doctors are female. Especially general doctors, but specialist doctors are mostly female too. And there are male nurses, but they work in places where strength is needed, like morgues.

If society does not stem from biology (that is to say, if biology did not predate society, which it obviously did), then where did society come from? Society is a function carried out by life, namely humans - life and humans are both biological. If you can suggest another origin of society, I am all ears - did society fall from the sky?
Why is there no reason for society to remain constructed by biology? If humans are biological and a part of nature, why would we defy our very existence? You claim that I'm backwards-thinking and against progress, but you're the one who is rotting the world around you, simply so you can live in your comfortable bubble-wrapped world, free from traditional male responsibilities. Or perhaps you're just obsessed with the illusion of freedom we have in modern society? The freedom to take actions that go against your best interests and make you miserable will not bring you happiness.

1) Humans are not a part of nature. At least since we've invented agriculture.
We shape the world around us. My environment is not the savannah where we evolved, it is a building of stone, metal and concrete. When I go outside, it's too cold there (because I'm far to the north of my biological niche), and I wrap myself in many layers of protective technology. It is so bulky that some people suggest we can adapt spacesuits for this role.

2) "Natural" does not mean "best possible". We do not hit our enemies with natural sticks and stones, we attack them with tanks, planes, bombs and guns.

3) Very little of our society is determined by our biology. Most ideas that shape modern society would apply to any sapient creature as we understand sapience. Things like democracy, capitalism, mass-production and anime have no basis in nature. The only thing we still have is family, because we're extreme K-strategists. But modern "nuclear" family is not much like extended families of the past.

4) There is not much reason to assume male and female brains are very different. But if they are - we should use female brain potential to the fullest, and encourage them to bring their unique perspective and insight into science and engineering. Because these fields are fuelled by diversity, not homogeneity.
 
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A character is just that... a character, doesn't matter as long as you can relate to them and find their story immersive as well as entertaining.
 
Dec 15, 2016 2:40 AM
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GlennMagusHarvey said:


That said, I agree with you, up to the point where you mentioned ecchi, though, since my personal taste is that I'd rather they not be ecchi'd.


looks like you need some converting then, bruh... i will teach you the beauty of the lewd camera angle

MasterHavik said:
Says the Keijo fan.............

*satima face*

:D


you've never even watched the show lol

and an anime girl can't care if theyre nothing but fap material for you -____-
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I feel that youre allowed to dislike strong female character like I dislike stupid male MCs who only want girls.
But you aren't allowed to tell people to not watch it or try and stop people from making anime with strong female main characters.


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I have a fetish for strong female characters.
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flannan said:
Faederwulf said:

The most important questions are as follows - why does there need to be change to gender roles that stem from biology? Moreover, if gender roles in society are a result of biology (you agree'd that society started off this way), why would we change that? Biology hasn't changed, males are still males and are born with male brains, females are still females and born with female brains. Even if you deny that male and female brains are inherently different (which I can easily disprove with biologically accurate studies), why would society begin with gender roles if we weren't inherently different? Gender roles didn't just come from nowhere, they came from the natural differences in our sexual biology - male preference to object oriented tasks, female preference to people oriented tasks - men are like the Sun, females are like the Moon - both are important.

As for your claim that I don't have much experience with romance or sex, you would be very mistaken. I'm not proud of it, but I've "wooed" a lot of females, and I can tell you this - the more domineering you are, the more likely you are to get an ideal response in conversation. It's almost always men who will actively search for females, rather than the reverse. Why? Because females know they can wait and choose, if a male waits he'll die without offspring. Females are receptive and impressionable - including in conversation. They will always go along with what the males closest to them tell them is the correct path.


If society does not stem from biology (that is to say, if biology did not predate society, which it obviously did), then where did society come from? Society is a function carried out by life, namely humans - life and humans are both biological. If you can suggest another origin of society, I am all ears - did society fall from the sky?
Why is there no reason for society to remain constructed by biology? If humans are biological and a part of nature, why would we defy our very existence? You claim that I'm backwards-thinking and against progress, but you're the one who is rotting the world around you, simply so you can live in your comfortable bubble-wrapped world, free from traditional male responsibilities. Or perhaps you're just obsessed with the illusion of freedom we have in modern society? The freedom to take actions that go against your best interests and make you miserable will not bring you happiness.

1) Humans are not a part of nature. At least since we've invented agriculture.
We shape the world around us. My environment is not the savannah where we evolved, it is a building of stone, metal and concrete. When I go outside, it's too cold there (because I'm far to the north of my biological niche), and I wrap myself in many layers of protective technology. It is so bulky that some people suggest we can adapt spacesuits for this role.

2) "Natural" does not mean "best possible". We do not hit our enemies with natural sticks and stones, we attack them with tanks, planes, bombs and guns.

3) Very little of our society is determined by our biology. Most ideas that shape modern society would apply to any sapient creature as we understand sapience. Things like democracy, capitalism, mass-production and anime have no basis in nature. The only thing we still have is family, because we're extreme K-strategists. But modern "nuclear" family is not much like extended families of the past.

4) There is not much reason to assume male and female brains are very different. But if they are - we should use female brain potential to the fullest, and encourage them to bring their unique perspective and insight into science and engineering. Because these fields are fuelled by diversity, not homogeneity.

1) Humans are a part of nature, because anything that lives is natural. You say you're far to the north of your biological niche, but that's only true if you're not a European - Europeans have light skin and are thus suited to environments that are cold/have little sunlight, and our skin can also act as camouflage against snow. Whether you believe in the theory of evolution or not (at the very least, the out-of-Africa theory has been debunked), we are none-the-less a product of nature.

2) Natural is simply a word used to describe living things. Advancing in technology (using tanks, planes, etc.) is a natural desire, as the desire to improve is present in all life (although we are the only living things to create such high technology). Technology is created by humans, who are living things and a part of nature, therefore while technology isn't a part of nature, it doesn't always harm human nature - although some technology such as automatically opening doors simply weaken humans by encouraging us to avoid simple physical tasks.

3) Democracy, capitalism, and mass-production are ways of organising humans and our resources - although misguided, the intended goal of these things is to increase prosperity - to further ourselves as humans within the physical realm - the material realm, which includes biology/nature. Even anime is a reflection of nature, is it not? Most anime depict life, particularly human life, and our functions (talking, eating, movement, etc.)

4) As I say, female brains are geared towards people-oriented tasks. Hence, they should use this ability that most males are lacking in to the best of their ability. Females are typically better than males at reading emotions (this can be used to keep steady relations between groups/individuals, and in raising children who can not yet talk well). Females influence (in a subtle manner) the environment around them - not just in the sense of former duties which are now viewed as antiquated (such as cooking and cleaning), but in the sense of the emotional and subconscious environment also.

Contrary to popular modern belief, the females of the past (for most of history, at least) haven't been miserable in comparison to today. Females, when honest with themselves, are quite happy to do as a man tells them to do, to cook, clean, and look after their children. On the contrary, I know women who follow what society expects them to do, and act like "liberated women" - but what are they liberated from? Happiness? Family? A loving environment? I've seen countless of them, that whore themselves around, excessively drink alcohol and do drugs - and they're continuously pained with sadness. But what does society tell them? "Do what you want with your own body", and "purity is quaint and old-fashioned".

As society grows worse and worse, simpler and stupider, driven only by base desires and selfishness - as it all crumbles, the majority inevitably search for more personal freedom as if it is the solution to their problems - in reality, it is the cause. But don't misunderstand, I support the exploration of individual self and the potential of all individuals. My problem isn't with all personal freedom, just with the freedom to do things that can only cause harm. Of course, I understand that ranting on some anime forum probably won't make a difference, and that it'll all come crumbling down shortly anyway. I can only hope to influence even one person into understanding what steps are necessary to rebuild an ideal civilisation.
 
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I agree with you OP, the lack of great female main characters in anime and manga is dead obvious.
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tragedydesu said:
no, i dont hate them
but i prefer cute ones over strong ones :3


You can have both.

OT: This feminist "sexist man" archetype is more or less out of touch with reality. I believe there are very few men who hates women simply because they are women. If anything I prefer strong female characters to weak ones but most of all I prefer well-rounded and femal characters.
 
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Yes everyone of us absolutely despises them.
That's why stuff like GitS, Black Lagoon, Nausicaä, Seirei no Moribito etc. are universally hated and considered to be the worst animu ever.


It's really just the ramblings of insecure babies, that just can't handle the notion that female characters can be as strong/stronger than male characters. No point in paying attention to them.

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As long as we're talking about strong female characters in general and not ones that have to be the MC there's a few characters worth mentioning.

Yuno Gasai from Mirai Nikki: The yandere queen herself, she's insane and she's usually murdering someone with anything she can get her hands on. For spoiler reasons I won't elaborate too much, however she is the most popular female character ranking at 11 overall.

Saber from the Fate series: The female portrayal of King Arthur Pendragon, need I say more? On MAL she's the 27th most popular character.

Asuna Yuuki from SAO: Well Sword Art Online is extremely popular so it's no surprise that one of the girls made it up there. If fans aren't beating off to Kirito, they're oggling this chick but enough about her looks. She's the second strongest player in SAO and is known as the berserk healer in ALO. She ranks 36 on the charts.

To conclude, not really. Sure there are way more male characters that have garnered the attention of the community more so than "strong" women, but to say strong female characters are hated is dubious.
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So I read this really retarded Youtube comment recently:
I get that this is pretty extreme and doesn't represent the entire anime community, but it really got me thinking. Sometimes I just get the feeling that anime fans dislike strong fictional females. If you look at battle shounen series with female protagonists (fan service shows excluded, so half naked women don't count), there aren't really a whole lot: Claymore, Soul Eater, JoJo Part 6 Stone Ocean and that's pretty much it. Maybe you know a few others, but you can't deny that the amount of anime/manga with action girls is pretty low. When it comes to all-female casts, then you really only got Claymore and nothing else. Is there really no demand for series like this?

I do realize that shounen are targeted at boys. However manga like Hxh or One Piece have in reality a relatively broad audience of all genders and ages (especially in Japan). It's not like these kinds of manga wouldn't sell well, because some 8 year old boys would be like "ewww girls". Also most moe manga like K-On are also targeted at guys (either shounen or seinen). So the demographic is hardly a good argument and shouldn't hold back creators from writing more tough female characters, right?

Of course there are some great series with a male MC, that also happen to have good female support characters (for example NGE or Gintama). But female protagonists in these kind of series are still super rare, which pisses me off to no end, especially since only very few people seem to care about this issue. Do you think I'm exaggerating or can you relate to my displeasure?


Gonna love how you don't think female characters from fan service shoews don't count

Lol who the real sexist

I know that people like ecchi and fan service, that's why I excluded it. I'm only talking about characters where the appeal is in the personality and importance to the plot, not the sexy outfit.
 
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That said, I agree with you, up to the point where you mentioned ecchi, though, since my personal taste is that I'd rather they not be ecchi'd.


looks like you need some converting then, bruh... i will teach you the beauty of the lewd camera angle

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Says the Keijo fan.............

*satima face*

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you've never even watched the show lol

and an anime girl can't care if theyre nothing but fap material for you -____-
Look at my watching list fool. I seen two episodes of that trash. I'm waiting for the dub so I can marathon the rest since the sub is just bleh.
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Nope, we hate stupid and bad characters, gender doesn't matter.
 
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You mean by forcing quotas and propaganda, people are starting to think outside these "stereotypes"? Even feminists who are the result of this reversing of natural gender roles go for people-orientated fields - sociology, women's studies, etc.

Think about it logically - society is a product of biology, among other things. If gender were a societal construct, why was society constructed this way? Society is created by people, and people adhere to nature - biology. The evidence is abundant if you look for it, even in sexual biology - the male impresses upon the female, both in a psychological sense and in the sense of intercourse. Female happiness has been declining since females were given the vote - why? Because political responsibility and power are burdens for a female, just as a responsibility to be forth-coming with emotions would be a burden for a male.

There are outliers of both sexes (men who are female-minded, women who are male-minded), but these could be argued to be a result of society. Either way, outliers are outliers - the majority forms the rule, minority forms the exception. This is the basis of rational thinking - if 9 people are safe and 1 person is sinking in quicksand, while it's important to try to help that 1 person, getting all 10 people stuck in the quicksand would be extremely unwise.

Even if society is constructed by biology (which is a lie), there is no reason for it to remain constructed by biology in the future. We can remake it, just like we have remade everything else. Because we are humans.
Well, I think we have already argued before, and you're still the same backwards-thinking person that tries to stop progress.

P.S. In my country, most doctors are female. Especially general doctors, but specialist doctors are mostly female too. And there are male nurses, but they work in places where strength is needed, like morgues.

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yes! mostly.
I'm having trouble watching medaka box,
because medaka always got beaten shit until she got hospitalized, it's frustrating :D lol. but shes strong. also freezing.

I don't remember Medaka being beaten up all that often, but anime has a lot of protagonists like this. Kamijou Touma did it so often, the doctor was suspecting he has a nurse fetish.

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People just want their waifus or husband at attempts at good writing is looked as," Boring" or "2 deep 4 me."

You shouldn't ask if they hate strong female characters you should ask if they hate well written and developed characters? I have seen people tell me it doesn't matter how bad the female characters are in harem anime just need to make sure they look good.

That's because "developed" is not a sign of good writing. It is a sign that a show had spent a lot of time on the character. For a short show, this probably means that it had done so at the expense of things actually happening, which is boring.
you dont remember , because maybe you havent watch it yet.


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What that guy wrote was an honest and valid opinion.. I just disagree with it entirely.
That being said, I think that guy is a total faggot... And that is my honest opinion.
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Strong female characters I hate: Erza Scarlet, Rori Mercury, Yuno and most of Yandere craps, Lightning, this red b***** from the first Ninety-nine Night game (god I hate her...)

Strong female characters I love: Balsa Yonsa, Motoko Kusanagi, Erin, Horo, most of Tsukasa Hojo female characters and Avatar franchises (Last airbender and Legend of Korra), Belle and Tyana from Disney

To be frank, I thought I hated strong female characters, but many of my favorite characters are strong ladies. So I think I hate them when they are strong in a "geek-stereotype way".
Over-the-top badass, bikini armors, arrogant or mad and of course boobs..
 
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Luuji222 said:
flannan said:

I don't remember Medaka being beaten up all that often, but anime has a lot of protagonists like this. Kamijou Touma did it so often, the doctor was suspecting he has a nurse fetish.
you dont remember , because maybe you havent watch it yet.

I did watch the first season of Medaka Box, but not the second one.
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Dec 15, 2016 6:56 AM
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looks like you need some converting then, bruh... i will teach you the beauty of the lewd camera angle



you've never even watched the show lol

and an anime girl can't care if theyre nothing but fap material for you -____-
Look at my watching list fool. I seen two episodes of that trash. I'm waiting for the dub so I can marathon the rest since the sub is just bleh.


oh great, here comes "Mr Intellect" to tell me why the show doesn't have strong women in it
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EcchiLordMamster said:
MasterHavik said:
Look at my watching list fool. I seen two episodes of that trash. I'm waiting for the dub so I can marathon the rest since the sub is just bleh.


oh great, here comes "Mr Intellect" to tell me why the show doesn't have strong women in it
Do you want me to explain? I mean it's not hard. But I feel it would be unfair as I only seen two episodes. I can tell you this.

1. I can't remember anyone's names. I think the Mc's name is Nozomi or some shit.
2. And the animation is fucking garbage.

So to I may start back with episode 1 and see if I can endure this since there is only 8 episodes of the dub. I really don't feel like there is no such thing as a strong character in Keijo though.

I'll get back to you when I at least have watched 8 to 10 episodes...if I can make it that far.
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THE FUCK? The reason I don't score Charlotte as low as other MAL pseudo-intellectuals is that Nao overshadows Yuu and Misa is badass asf so I FUCKING LOVE STRONG FEMALE LEAD WTF
 
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This is a general problem in fiction which comes from a patriarchal view that women are best at nurturing and being at home.

Nothing new, and I don't care if my female characters swing weapons or not. I only care if they have a personality.
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Strong female characters I hate: Erza Scarlet, Rori Mercury, Yuno and most of Yandere craps, Lightning, this red b***** from the first Ninety-nine Night game (god I hate her...)

Strong female characters I love: Balsa Yonsa, Motoko Kusanagi, Erin, Horo, most of Tsukasa Hojo female characters and Avatar franchises (Last airbender and Legend of Korra), Belle and Tyana from Disney

To be frank, I thought I hated strong female characters, but many of my favorite characters are strong ladies. So I think I hate them when they are strong in a "geek-stereotype way".
Over-the-top badass, bikini armors, arrogant or mad and of course boobs..
or when they are just poorly written. Just look at the ones you like, they all are well written characters.
Unlike the dislikeable ones you dislike like:
- Erza who literally wears plot armor
- Yuno who is just a poorly written Yandere
- Lightning who is just a whiny pink haired bitch.
These 3 are badly written characters.
 
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This is a general problem in fiction which comes from a patriarchal view that women are best at nurturing and being at home.

Nothing new, and I don't care if my female characters swing weapons or not. I only care if they have a personality.
And that is the right thing to do.

Personality trumps all and makes Characters likeable. Strength doesn't do that.
 
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I don't hate them, in fact, they're even hotter if they are beautiful
 
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Probably.

But the real fault is usually in the character's writing.
I love Mirajane. I think it's awesome how she can be innocent and soft and then do a complete 180 when in Satan Soul.

I liked Maka too, but her voice was annoying, lol.
 
Dec 15, 2016 7:55 AM
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Get your facts right...

Yuno, mikasa and many more girls are loved...

Lmao
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here is exactly the opposite. It's hard to find a good male character.
And no, it's just a minority.
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What you're complaining about is female fighting characters exploited for fanservice. However, in many anime, there are badass female fighters who do not need to be male and should not be, because they are badass on their own. Here is a list of strong female characters that have earned respect from the anime community that I have watched. Try telling me any one of these characters shouldn't have been female or fighting because they are female.

Popular strong female characters from anime I have seen
Saber- Fate/Zero
Revy- Black Lagoon
Morgiana- Magi (Labyrinth and Kingdom) - 1 of 3 MC's
Homura- Madoka Magica
Clare- Claymore
Gen Olivier Armstrong- FMA Brotherhood
Shiki- Kara No Kyoukai
Yatorishino Igsem- Nejimaki
Eien- Requiem for the Phantom
Shana- Shakugan no Shana
 
Dec 15, 2016 8:59 AM
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i dont hate them, female or male good characters are rarity.
complaining that fiction is too fictional just ridiculous.. if guy dislikes females its his problem
 
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Ohhhh Revy wouldn't like him at all. She's got to be one of my favourite badass female characters



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Badass girls are awesome. And yeah, gender doesn't matter.
I do agree on fanservice part with him, though.

 
Dec 15, 2016 9:55 AM
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Strong females > pathetic/weak/"cute" females
 
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Lmao, a thread based on a youtube comment. That made my day. Keep up the good work, chaps. Nothing better for some thought-provoking, relevant and interesting debate than the youtube comment section. That is where the intellectual elite of our times thrives. That's where the important opinions are shared with the world.

But seriously, idgaf about gender, I only care about personality in a character. Except when I fap of course.

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Popular strong female characters from anime I have seen
Saber- Fate/Zero

Unfortunately, Saber is popular for all the wrong reasons. As horribly-written as Fate/Stay Night is, the entire point of her character was supposed to be that she's above mere humanity and her gender is irrelevant (which also served to make her an unrelatable alien to her contemporaries)...until Nasu decided to make her a love interest in the Fate route like a fucking moron.

So no, people don't like Fate/Zero!Saber because of her badass personality and her complex personal dilemmas--they want a shitty waifu from the shittiest route of an already-of-questionable-quality visual novel.

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YouTube is no real point of comparison but generally I don't think that's really the case anyway.

Who doesn't love a badass chick every now and then, or even just a badass character in general?
 
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