Nejimaki Seirei Senki: Tenkyou no Alderamin Episode 8 Discussion

Lelouch0202 said:


That's a very well thought out analysis and makes a lot of sense. I suppose it isn't hard to imagine that the noble's influence is why all these incompetent officers exist and putting them up North to reduce their influence is something the military is likely to do.
If the Sinak war were to wipe out all these 'puppet' officers isn't that something beneficial to the military? So does that mean there are chances that the whole incident with Taekk dying could have been set up?

Magito said:
How the hell does these incompetent nincompoops get promoted to higher positions!?

And because of that, the soldiers were slaughtered, including Kanna? :(

Lelouch0202 said:

My only complaint about this series, Why the hell are these superior officers made out to look so stupid? Makes me wonder how they even rose up the ranks. The first Lieutenant in this episode is an example of that.

Olem said:
I love how most the high ranking officers are incompetent lol

Lelouch0202 said:

My only complaint about this series, Why the hell are these superior officers made out to look so stupid? Makes me wonder how they even rose up the ranks. The first Lieutenant in this episode is an example of that.

Zefyris said:


Not really. Most probably the officers would survive and good soldiers would die on the front, as well as sinaks (who are citizens of the empire just as well), plus even after the war it would still make the zone very unstable so it's a loss/loss/loss situation for anyone in the empire.
Well, think about it. Why of all peoples the one who could stop the war(or at least avoid the military side to lose so much men in this) died (and he was THE target of the assault since the Sinak retreated right afterwards saying they accomplished what they came for)died a few minutes before the Sinak announced they go to war?



As I said on the previous page :

Actually, if you think about it, the incompetence of several commanders in the northern garrison of the Empire makes perfect sense.
Let's gather all we know here
-We know that there are political manoeuvres in play which include having the army do what they want (through stuff like the second episode and Rikan's order, as well as making the 5 saviour of the princess soldiers by force, for example ).
-It's therefore not hard to imagine that political manoeuvres from nobles would try to place peoples they can influence easily in key position when needed.
-We also know that the commander of the Imperial Army is Yatori's Father (this is revealed in the beginning of episode 1 by Halo, who call her father Marshal (or whatever title that was in the english trad, anyway the title was above other generals ).
-It is very hard to imagine that Yatori's father is an incompetent (sure didn't look like that from what we heard in episode 5, and he seemed to be a close friend of Ikta's father as well)
- IT is therefore not hard to imagine that the top of the military IS (very?) competent and would not want to have incompetent leaders in important places.
So if you're stuck with peoples placed at X rank of power by political manoeuvre, what can you do as the top of military? Well, at least make sure that they aren't anywhere where it matters, because placing them is your job that cannot easily be influenced.
-We know that the east of the empire is extremely important (frontier with kyoka republic), we also know that the central military base of the empire is near the capital (from maps you see in the opening and on the anime's official website) , we don't know about the west but we know that the North is particularly secure due to the big mountains here, that no army ever passed. You still need a base to keep the country in the North in check, but it's pretty much a base that will only deal with minor cases, like the cases of thievery and few commotions like the Sinak.
-So we know that the North is very away from the centre of command, from the capital (so little to no political influence over the centre of power if you're that far away), and that the incompetence will have low risk of giving bad consequences as long as someone or a few someone keep those guys in check since the place is quite peaceful and well protected by a natural barrier. Sazaref even says it to the newly arrived recruits in episode 6. Military in the north don't really have any eager to go to battle or stuff. The place is so far away from everything important, peaceful, and so on.
-We also know that Toakk (as the right hand of the general) was pretty much doing the work instead of the north army base instead of the general. We also know from Ikta that he was here to "keep him in check".
It is pretty obvious that as long as Toakk was alive, the general wasn't able to do some stupid or reckless stuff like that. Toakk would have probably send a message to Central if he didn't follow his advice anyway. On paper, Toakk was under the general's command since of inferior army rank, but in reality it was clear in episode 6 that the general wasn't deciding anything without checking with him first (well, except for the spirits' imprisonment that he seems to have managed to keep hidden from him).

-----> The incompetence of the military in the northern region is logical. The top of the military is placing there the incompetent officers that political manoeuvres brought into the army and they can't just get rid off completely easily in the northern base to limit as much as possible the impact of such manoeuvres both politically and on the army's competence during conflict.

Now, we could also try to even go a little further ahead:
-Unfortunately, a war starts in the supposed-to-be-peaceful area, and quite interestingly, Toakk died that same day so no one to control the situation. No one to make sure central is aware of the problem and can send correct orders, too.
Don't you think it's quite a coincidence that the only man that could have avoided that disaster of war to happen died the day that the Sinak start a war in a sector that didn't know any war during so many generations? ~

L-Ryoshi said:

As always, great exposition for the overall situation. It made for a great read. The one question here is, who planned for the people of the north declare war on the empire the same day that they killed off the one person who could contact Central Command? It's pretty obvious that someone planned this out, as I don't believe the Sinak are smart enough to figure out that killing one soldier would cut off communications between the northern front and central command without inside info. They wouldn't have known that the General would be reluctant to call for help.

That would also raise the question of exactly what the people behind all this are trying to accomplish, since the Sinak's declaring war against the Empire will only result in a prolonged war, which given the competence of those higher ups in Central Command, they would eventually lose once the rest of the Army gets word of the situation.

Deadhouse said:
So Kanna has died? No way! Seriously that obvious death flag and foreshadowing this and previous episode caught me off guard! Who would thought that hard focus on a side character for 2 episodes would lead to that characters death?! Any more obvious would be if Kanna was saying "I am going to die" for 2 episodes.

ixarising said:


It's a bit wasted if you ask me, Kanna had so much potential in her, she just needed a good mentor like Ikta and she could've achieve a lot.

Hajinnie said:
Kanna's death flag had already been raised high in the previous episode but it's still sad to watch her die especially when a lot of people were rooting for her. She and Ikta would have made a great duo even as friends and allies.

I hope Ikta or the main cast really does something about the incompetence of the authority system in the army. There's only a few episodes left so there's no knowing where this will head to and I'm not so sure if rebellion or uprising is part of this anime theme.

ixarising said:


Tell the princess to stop fooling around with her 5 knights only and start interacting with more people so that she can gather talented people, that would help a lot in changing the country. Though i doubt Chamille is capable of doing that anyway.

konatachan80 said:

Oh, she wants to change her country, and she isn't fooling around with them.
There's an unadapted scene which should've been a few episodes ago (before
the duel) in that regard.

They've probably moved it to the finale of this season.

eclipter said:


I feel ya bro. My best guess would be corruption and family names. Also, from what I've seen, it looks like the Katjvarna Empire are the aggressors in their war with the Kiorka Republic. And Ikta and co are your average good folkes forced to fight a war they don't fully believe in. But they naturally try to make the best of it and hope to bring about change.

Zephy-SB said:
No Kanna!! D: she was the only other person around that understood how Ikkta though, with what he was taught from his teacher R.I.P. T.T

TrashDax said:
Her death felt a little unspectacular...on the other hand, that was probably the point.
But I have a hard time believing that an army with so many so incompetent leaders is functional in any way, let alone win battles or even wars.

ixarising said:


Tell the princess to stop fooling around with her 5 knights only and start interacting with more people so that she can gather talented people, that would help a lot in changing the country. Though i doubt Chamille is capable of doing that anyway.

Ibuki_doji said:


PS PS PS: Learned that she was only 19. Which makes Ikta 17, since she is two years older than him.