| Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember suicide booths in futurama. |
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_Charl said: Why not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want?Is the right to commit suicide to be legalized? No. |
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| Suicide isn't illegal here. Suicide booths as envisioned in Futurama are a bad idea. Too many people will die who could have benefited from alternative treatment, or who were forced in. Suicide with a doctor's supervision, following your consent, an interview as to why you would like to die, and offers/ attempts at remedies to your suicidal condition... that's fine. It's better that people go through a doctor, someone who would try to steer them away from suicide if they could, and at least make sure they died painlessly if they could not... than people attempt things less thought-out and potentially more painful when really they are looking to end pain. It is better to live than to die, most of the time, but it is nobody's right to force another human being to live just so they can be a background character in the stories of other people, whilst hating their own. |
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| I really hate how people look down on people who commit suicide. I hear it all too often. Things like "If that idiot killed himself, then he probably deserved it. What a selfish prick." Yes of course, suicide is selfish. But it's still a valid fucking choice. If a person doesn't want to live, then they have every right to choose to do so. So yes. Suicide should be legal, and it shouldn't be looked down on. People need to stop acting like guru's on life, and let people do what the fuck they want. Errrr. I kind of went off on a rant... Sorry ~ |
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MechaKiryu said: People don't want to feel sad lol_Charl said: Why not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want?No. |
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| I don't think anyone wants to commit suicide if they can help it. |
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| If people wants to legalize all, why not just burn the constitution and make an anarchic state? people wants anarchy it seems |
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| There are many reasons for people to choose suicide. Those who choose suicide because of a terminal illness are different from those facing stress at work or school. The former is unable to change the situation he is in while the latter can seek help. The law sets the boundaries for what is acceptable in society. IMO it is acceptable to choose to end your life to shorten your suffering as the result of a terminal illness. However, choosing to do so because of other reasons would not solve anything. The suicide booths would turn into a kind of 'rubbish dump' for people who can't cope in the current society instead of trying to change society to accommodate these very people. Potential for misuse is also very high and it may become a tool for murder. Minors have their whole lives in front of them and it would be a shame to end it so quickly. They are also very impressionable and bullies might even knowingly bully their victim into using those booths. |
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| Majority of the decisions people take under depression are illogical and nonsense anyway. Providing them the option of suicide would be giving them a free ticket to end their lives without struggling. Too damn inefficient, I will never concede for suicide. By antagonizing suicide, you prevent majority of those decisions. Yes, suicide does become justified under a few circumstances but all hell has to break loose before one reaches those circumstances. Better to prevent the disease than to look a cure for it. |
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| I think it should be properly administered by a doctor. In the US I've heard that people are required to have less than six months to live in order to be allowed assisted suicide. This does make sense, but if an athlete becomes a paraplegic and doesn't have any reason to live anymore, we shouldn't force them to live the rest of their life if they won't enjoy it. Suicide for short-term depression is harder to justify. |
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| This is a tough one, while i believe everyone should have the ability to take their own life and subsequent death into their own hands I don't believe we should do things that would encourage or make suicide a social norm. By making suicide a readily available choice that anyone could make at a whim you are in turn making depression, anxiety, PTSD, and other mental health issues into a potentially increasingly more "terminal" illness. In other words by making it more readily available and relatively easy you don't give a person the opportunity to possibly rethink their options and or their choice, for the greatest deterrent of suicide is time. |
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| Yes, for suicide booths. I wouldn't use them, just build them. |
RedTie47 said: Doesn't matter if its legal or not. No one is going to chase the person through death and bring them to court. I wouldn't mind having these booths installed. It's their own life, people can do what they want. But what about mental illness, ya know, depression and all that? Should we allow people to die when they're not in a good mental state? |
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| It's only a matter of time. OT: Suicide is a preversion, so no. |
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RedTie47 said: PeripheralVision said: But what about mental illness, ya know, depression and all that? Should we allow people to die when they're not in a good mental state? I don't think its up to anyone but them to get treatment, no one should force it into them. Plus we don't have the right to keep anyone alive when their entire existence is a burden. The wrong thing to do imo is not allow them the relief they so desperately want. That's where I disagree. If people can't make decisions for themselves then they shouldn't. I think the fact is we should force people into treatment. In fact we already do. We should live in a society where we take care of the ill and downtrodden, even at the expense of certain liberties, and I believe this is one of those cases where the government has to step in to prevent people from hurting themselves. After all, do we allow prison inmates to commit suicide? How about regular citizens? You see, no one wants to die, and they shouldn't feel forced. It's a sort of...paranoia? Iunno. |
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PeripheralVision said: RedTie47 said: I don't think its up to anyone but them to get treatment, no one should force it into them. Plus we don't have the right to keep anyone alive when their entire existence is a burden. The wrong thing to do imo is not allow them the relief they so desperately want. That's where I disagree. If people can't make decisions for themselves then they shouldn't. I think the fact is we should force people into treatment. In fact we already do. We should live in a society where we take care of the ill and downtrodden, even at the expense of certain liberties, and I believe this is one of those cases where the government has to step in to prevent people from hurting themselves. After all, do we allow prison inmates to commit suicide? How about regular citizens? You see, no one wants to die, and they shouldn't feel forced. It's a sort of...paranoia? Iunno. That's awfully bigoted of you! What gives you the right to validate someone else's decisions? It's their life, stop being a control freak! (sarcasm). |
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RedTie47 said: I don't think you realize how effective treatments are. And yes, I would, unless we're talking physical pain, for which case there are methods already available.PeripheralVision said: That's where I disagree. If people can't make decisions for themselves then they shouldn't. I think the fact is we should force people into treatment. In fact we already do. We should live in a society where we take care of the ill and downtrodden, even at the expense of certain liberties, and I believe this is one of those cases where the government has to step in to prevent people from hurting themselves. After all, do we allow prison inmates to commit suicide? How about regular citizens? You see, no one wants to die, and they shouldn't feel forced. It's a sort of...paranoia? Iunno. Treatment isn't guaranteed to work for all. What will you do with those who can't be helped with any kind of medication and therapy? Will you still keep them here suffering just to fulfill the selfish wish of someone that's not in their shoes taking the pain? Here's the thing, by opening the floodgates to more accessible suicides you threaten to unleash the treatable in there. And to an extent, everyone is treatable. This isn't about letting the "untreatable "die, this is about the commercialization of suicide into being more accessible. But with it are consequences. Treatable people die, and that's unnecessary. If we don't allow people with mental illness to make even the most basic decisions such as healthcare, etc, how can we expect them to pull then plug? |
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| Please no >.< I have my reasons for saying this that I'm not comfortable with sharing, but a device such as a suicide booth will not be a pleasant thought. Their are many people who have random stints where they feel like commiting it, but afterwards they regret ever thinking it. Having access to an easy device to do it will basically make these people who do have a liking to their most of.their lives consider the implications less due to the public access as well as legality. |
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| I never knew suicide was illegal in the first place. If you kill yourself you go to jail or what? |
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Ulquiorra1923 said: I never knew suicide was illegal in the first place. If you kill yourself you go to jail or what? You go to jail in the afterlife. |
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Syrup- said: Wait, what?MechaKiryu said: People don't want to feel sad lolWhy not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want? |
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MechaKiryu said: _Charl said: Why not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want?No. Wrong, we can't do whatever we want in life, it's called morality. In most countries it's illegal to kill people. We don't own our bodies, because we didn't create them. Our parents created us but they don't own us either, because they used their bodies to create us, which they don't own. And it goes on forever. Meaning you can't kill yourself because you don't have the right. |
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Open-Dice said: fuck that, I have the right.... if I want to taste a gun barrel that's my business MechaKiryu said: Why not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want? Wrong, we can't do whatever we want in life, it's called morality. In most countries it's illegal to kill people. We don't own our bodies, because we didn't create them. Our parents created us but they don't own us either, because they used their bodies to create us, which they don't own. And it goes on forever. Meaning you can't kill yourself because you don't have the right. |
Killaclown said: This is sums up what I was going to write.Open-Dice said: fuck that, I have the right.... if I want to taste a gun barrel that's my business Wrong, we can't do whatever we want in life, it's called morality. In most countries it's illegal to kill people. We don't own our bodies, because we didn't create them. Our parents created us but they don't own us either, because they used their bodies to create us, which they don't own. And it goes on forever. Meaning you can't kill yourself because you don't have the right. |
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Open-Dice said: MechaKiryu said: Why not? We're always told "You can do whatever you want with your life". Why is it that when it comes to suicide, suddenly we can't do what we want? Wrong, we can't do whatever we want in life, it's called morality. In most countries it's illegal to kill people. We don't own our bodies, because we didn't create them. Our parents created us but they don't own us either, because they used their bodies to create us, which they don't own. And it goes on forever. Meaning you can't kill yourself because you don't have the right. This logic makes no sense. If I bought something from the store, it is MINE. If you take it from me, you have stolen something I own. Just because I didn't create something, doesn't mean I don't own it. And lol at we do not own our bodies. I can cut of my dick, I can get tattoos, I can do as much drugs(legal) as I want and no one can stop me. Did you think this through? |
PoeticJustice said: I can cut of my dick By all means do so if that's what the laws allow. But in an ideal society, the laws are there to stop people bringing harm to themselves and others, and people like that should instead be institutionalized and psychologically treated for their insanity. Same goes for anyone who wants to kill themselves... They are mentally ill. |
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Open-Dice said: Laws against it? WTF? What do they do with you? Take your dead body to court and lock you up in jail?PoeticJustice said: I can cut of my dick By all means do so if that's what the laws allow. But in an ideal society, the laws are there to stop people bringing harm to themselves and others, and people like that should instead be institutionalized and psychologically treated for their insanity. Same goes for anyone who wants to kill themselves... They are mentally ill. |
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MechaKiryu said: if you fail they will lock u up in an institutionOpen-Dice said: Laws against it? WTF? What do they do with you? Take your dead body to court and lock you up in jail?By all means do so if that's what the laws allow. But in an ideal society, the laws are there to stop people bringing harm to themselves and others, and people like that should instead be institutionalized and psychologically treated for their insanity. Same goes for anyone who wants to kill themselves... They are mentally ill. |
Killaclown said: Well that's messed up.MechaKiryu said: if you fail they will lock u up in an institutionLaws against it? WTF? What do they do with you? Take your dead body to court and lock you up in jail? |
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MechaKiryu said: they get you help. Which usually makes you want to kill yourself more.Killaclown said: Well that's messed up.if you fail they will lock u up in an institution |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Rumanshi-xanic said: Let me guess, by help, do you mean shitty drugs? If so, I would want to kill myself even more if I had to take those too.MechaKiryu said: they get you help. Which usually makes you want to kill yourself more.Well that's messed up. |
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MechaKiryu said: Rumanshi-xanic said: Let me guess, by help, do you mean shitty drugs? If so, I would want to kill myself even more if I had to take those too.they get you help. Which usually makes you want to kill yourself more. Nah, they make you talk to them about your problems. Which you don't want to tell anyone. Then you make up shit to tell them and then they try and fix these made up problems. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
prkbjoctght said: please no. I wouldn't be here if there were, and if there was some sort of afterlife, I would regret it.By the way, I'm sorry if I used incorrect or opaque expressions so that you misconstrue no.1. With 'legalize the right to commit suicide', I mean providing some social tools to commit suicide not punishing the dead. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
prkbjoctght said: Open-Dice said: Wrong, we can't do whatever we want in life, it's called morality. In most countries it's illegal to kill people. We don't own our bodies, because we didn't create them. Our parents created us but they don't own us either, because they used their bodies to create us, which they don't own. And it goes on forever. Meaning you can't kill yourself because you don't have the right. Nice. I think you successfully confuted my opinion that there is a quantitative difference but no qualitative difference. This is a reason I couldn't think of for denying one's total ownership of his/her life. Not from the influence our existence has but from who and what contributed to our existence. Certainly, I cannot help conceding that no small part of my existence is not only from my own and that I owe some of what I am now to my parents, my relatives, my friends, and finally this society and country which I belong to. I hazard a guess that this kind of idea that one's existence is half from him/herself and the other half from the society he/she lives in can help solve many moral dilemmas such as the draft(Here in S.Korea, all men are obliged to serve the army for about 2 years. There are so many people averse to this. I, however, agree with conscription per se but want for this system to be implemented more fairly and justly inasmuch as many of the established successfully circumvent their obligations.) Good point. |
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