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Feb 22, 2015 2:41 PM

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I'm not worried at all about Tusk. and none of you should be either. BE WORRIED ABOUT HILDA. Shes the one most likely to kick it. Or rosealie.

Still though, Ange's mental strength is impressive. She resisted where the commander could not. I am REALLY excited to see how this all plays out.
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Feb 22, 2015 3:15 PM
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*praying tusk will die, oh pls let him just die

hes probably gonna make it tho :(
Feb 22, 2015 3:27 PM
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KazuhoYoshii said:
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I don't think there is anyone that can stop her. Besides psycho sis and Momoka, I don't see even one other Mana user there. I guess they got an earlier ticket to extermination.



I don't know, but about 10 and 19 episodes ago, the Misurugi palace and capital were crawling with guards/police.


There is another possibility I just thought of. Maybe they died when they assaulted Arzenal. All those commandos could had been the properly armed versions of the palace guards and cops.

RLinksoul said:
I'm glad Vivian didn't die, or end up in Embryo's hands. The show hasn't been doing much of the fanservice stuff with her thankfully. Also seeing Jill get slapped was pretty cathartic.

I'm surprised people say that Ange and Tusk's romantic development together is lacking in development and illogical, but no one questions Hilda suddenly being willing to molest Ange in the shower. It's all illogical. Did the time Ange and Hilda spend in the cell really advance their relationship to such a level? Is Hilda merely pretending again?

I love how the music tries to be all serious and dramatic when we watch Ange being forced to go to town on herself. The show wants you to take the darkness and drama stuff seriously, but it also wants to be a comedy with heaps of fanservice. It just doesn't work keeping them all together at the same time.

Basically literal torture porn: the episode. "I'm going to break you so that you can't reject my advances." It's episode 12 of Daybreak Illusion all over again.

This scene here made me question physics.



Also, that bit with the ring case... ew. Good thing Embryo doesn't have a table to bend her over.


Well, I think this anime has made it really clear that Hilda has a really active libido, that she does not separate sex and friendship, and Ange is really hot.

Now, I understand the ring is super important, but why did she have to go to such lengths to hide it? Embryo was not trying to take it from her.
Feb 22, 2015 3:30 PM
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Lichtspiel said:
The way how Ange was being tortured was quite funny lol
And the Sailor Moon reference was hilarious.


Did you notice the outfit Sallia made for Embryo?
Feb 22, 2015 3:54 PM

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That's a lot of death flags in one preview.

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Feb 22, 2015 5:26 PM

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Rebelhero said:
I'm not worried at all about Tusk. and none of you should be either. BE WORRIED ABOUT HILDA. Shes the one most likely to kick it. Or rosealie.

Still though, Ange's mental strength is impressive. She resisted where the commander could not. I am REALLY excited to see how this all plays out.


Mostly worried about Salia tbh. She's still Ange's enemy now, even if she helped her escape and a future confrontation might be inevitable.

That being said, I'm definitely excited to see how it'll all play out too and who'll live to have a cup of coffee at the great Cafe Ange.
Feb 22, 2015 8:21 PM

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damn hilda ♥


Feb 22, 2015 9:46 PM

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Dammit, this show used to be awesome. Now it just gets worse and worse. Ange is dumb for trying to kill Embryo; doesn't she know by now that you just can't kill him?

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
Feb 22, 2015 10:37 PM

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man this show really has ppl riled up XD

I think that's a good sign ;)
Feb 22, 2015 11:00 PM
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animefan8800 said:
Well aside from the Ange humiliation scenes, which were lol level awful, this episode was alright. In particular I enjoyed Momoka calling out Riza over her crimes against Ange. At this point I can't decide if Salia or Jill is the more pathetic character, but they definitely belong together. They can mourn their lost flings with Embryo together. Glad Salamandinay is back anyway. Man though...that Ange humiliation stuff still overshadows all the decent stuff so easily. It really is lol worthy, but as I said last week par for the course here.


You say that as if they are willing participants - that man is a rapist!
Feb 22, 2015 11:05 PM

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Imagine how many tables would be flipped if Salako got mind raped by Embryo. Actually, I'm surprised more people aren't flipping shit about Ange's humiliation scenes.
Feb 23, 2015 12:33 AM

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guyklc said:
Dammit, this show used to be awesome. Now it just gets worse and worse. Ange is dumb for trying to kill Embryo; doesn't she know by now that you just can't kill him?


You forgot that she plans to kill him until he dies.
Feb 23, 2015 4:53 AM
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AlexTheRiot said:
Imagine how many tables would be flipped if Salako got mind raped by Embryo. Actually, I'm surprised more people aren't flipping shit about Ange's humiliation scenes.


As long as there is no rape there will be no rage lol
Feb 23, 2015 5:10 AM

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Feb 23, 2015 7:05 AM

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TLR just got BTFO on this episode.
I'm not sure but this is the episode with a record on fanservice and the likes.
Feb 23, 2015 7:24 AM

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ex_necross said:

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There you have it guys, all of us who enjoy Cross Ange are gonna go blind. That dude's white knight's armor shines too brightly.
Feb 23, 2015 7:41 AM

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FloydBt said:
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Ange was like


Lol

Speaking of Tusk, where are the rest of the Ancient People? Tusk's mission before meeting Ange was to find his friends. Libertus was restarted, Arzenal is gone, most of the dragons are dead, and yet nothing from them.

Tusk is the last ancient.

Also, about the romantic parings... hmmm... I'm confused. Did Hilda give up when she went to see Tusk? It's almost like she was testing him to see if he and Ange really loved each other, saying she'd "give him, her body."

Also, all the girls that have been mind-raped by Embryo so far have never really loved anyone. Jill had no love and was susceptible to it. Salia didn't like anyone else so she was susceptible.

It's almost like, if your heart's empty Embryo can get in.

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I don't know why people even support hilda x ange, well it's just people who are hungry for yuri fanservice, even after this disturbing scene of ange which at least got saved from her calling out for tusk, can't wait to see the swordfight the opening shows Tusk vs Embryo, and if Tusk dies instead of him, dropped it that instant


Well I don't know why people even support Ange x Tusk, those two didn't have a much proper development to have romantic feelings. Their relationship was force and rushed.

Didn't Ange and Tusk spend a lot of time together on that island just surviving. Also, Ange and Tusk were together when Tusk saved her from the empire of Misurugi... Also, remember how Ange could not stand being around other people when she came to Arzenal. While she was bitten by the snake and couldn't move, Tusk helped her out. She had trust issues before that and Tusk never made a move on her when she was physically uncomfortable with it.

They went through highs and lows, and I don't think any relationship (romantic or not) was developed to that extent in this anime... Actually I think Rosalie and Chris might've reached that level recently. Before this episode though, the only episode where Rosalie and Chris got any development was the beach episode. Their relationship prior was purely physical.

I do think Ange and Hilda's relationship got some development as well, but the fact that Ange herself hasn't noticed Hilda i think is proof that, that relationship is currently quite shallow.

Vivian's relationships with everyone at Arzenal were all very shallow... Salia's relationships were all one-way.

The way Ange and Hilda bonded was by hating the same thing. They were together in jail and hated the same thing.

Either way. It's quite likely that someone will die soon, and I hope it's not Tusk.
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MgMaster said:
ex_necross said:

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There you have it guys, all of us who enjoy Cross Ange are gonna go blind. That dude's white knight's armor shines too brightly.


It's a chick.
Feb 23, 2015 8:36 AM

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ex_necross said:
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There you have it guys, all of us who enjoy Cross Ange are gonna go blind. That dude's white knight's armor shines too brightly.


It's a chick.

Cross Ange doesn't even hate women.
All the women in the show move the plot. They're all very beautiful, and while they're sexualized they're not sex objects.

All the men in the show are either complete assholes or have no direct effect on the plot.
Feb 23, 2015 10:06 AM

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TitanAnteus said:
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Lol

Speaking of Tusk, where are the rest of the Ancient People? Tusk's mission before meeting Ange was to find his friends. Libertus was restarted, Arzenal is gone, most of the dragons are dead, and yet nothing from them.

Tusk is the last ancient.

Also, about the romantic parings... hmmm... I'm confused. Did Hilda give up when she went to see Tusk? It's almost like she was testing him to see if he and Ange really loved each other, saying she'd "give him, her body."

Also, all the girls that have been mind-raped by Embryo so far have never really loved anyone. Jill had no love and was susceptible to it. Salia didn't like anyone else so she was susceptible.

It's almost like, if your heart's empty Embryo can get in.

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Well I don't know why people even support Ange x Tusk, those two didn't have a much proper development to have romantic feelings. Their relationship was force and rushed.

Didn't Ange and Tusk spend a lot of time together on that island just surviving. Also, Ange and Tusk were together when Tusk saved her from the empire of Misurugi... Also, remember how Ange could not stand being around other people when she came to Arzenal. While she was bitten by the snake and couldn't move, Tusk helped her out. She had trust issues before that and Tusk never made a move on her when she was physically uncomfortable with it.

They went through highs and lows, and I don't think any relationship (romantic or not) was developed to that extent in this anime... Actually I think Rosalie and Chris might've reached that level recently. Before this episode though, the only episode where Rosalie and Chris got any development was the beach episode. Their relationship prior was purely physical.

I do think Ange and Hilda's relationship got some development as well, but the fact that Ange herself hasn't noticed Hilda i think is proof that, that relationship is currently quite shallow.

Vivian's relationships with everyone at Arzenal were all very shallow... Salia's relationships were all one-way.

The way Ange and Hilda bonded was by hating the same thing. They were together in jail and hated the same thing.

Either way. It's quite likely that someone will die soon, and I hope it's not Tusk.


No Ange and Tusk did not spend time surviving the island. Ange and Tusk just spend a lot of time chilling, there was no surviving just paradise which it was stupid. Ange and Tusk did not have real interaction because the producers pull a disney move by playing a song between Ange and Tusk while acceleration time. Ange and Tusk have no real interaction and no deep relationship. Ange could have trusted the girls at Arzenal without Tusk because Ange was saved by Vivian and Ersha and see how much they care for her despite her rude attitude toward them. Episode 5 would of work out without Tusk. And seriously anybody could have taking Tusk role to rescue Ange from Misurugi. And Ange and Tusk did not went highs and lows together, only Ange was the one that went highs and lows.
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guyklc said:
Dammit, this show used to be awesome. Now it just gets worse and worse. Ange is dumb for trying to kill Embryo; doesn't she know by now that you just can't kill him?


Yeah I've definitely felt like this show has gotten worse. While it's awful how norma were treated as tools to defeat the DRAGONs, I did enjoy the beginning where they would fly around and kill DRAGONs at Arzenal. Even when they went to the alternate earth it was pretty cool. But now that she's back...It's been pretty meh. And this episode was just wtf

How are they going to defeat Embryo if you literally cannot kill him??? Maybe they have to retrieve Aura or something and then his powers will fade away?
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Ange was seriously hot, yet I was wishing someone would bail her out since the very beginning. Now, as Tusk's death flag has been triggered, I wonder how Embryo will deal with his rival in love. Or something like that.
Feb 23, 2015 6:45 PM

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No Ange and Tusk did not spend time surviving the island. Ange and Tusk just spend a lot of time chilling, there was no surviving just paradise which it was stupid. Ange and Tusk did not have real interaction because the producers pull a disney move by playing a song between Ange and Tusk while acceleration time. Ange and Tusk have no real interaction and no deep relationship. Ange could have trusted the girls at Arzenal without Tusk because Ange was saved by Vivian and Ersha and see how much they care for her despite her rude attitude toward them. Episode 5 would of work out without Tusk. And seriously anybody could have taking Tusk role to rescue Ange from Misurugi. And Ange and Tusk did not went highs and lows together, only Ange was the one that went highs and lows.

You know. You're probably right. I'm setting my standards really low especially since this is the same guy who did the Seed series, and human relations were horrible in that one.

Still, while I agree that anyone could've done what Tusk did, Tusk was the one who did it. I'm not even trying to shit on your Yuri ships either. You're just saying there was nothing there, when there clearly is.
Feb 24, 2015 12:46 AM

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How are they going to defeat Embryo if you literally cannot kill him??? Maybe they have to retrieve Aura or something and then his powers will fade away?


My guess would be that a new clone of him doesn't appear until the current one dies. So one way would be to simply immobilize him permanently and avoid killing him.

Still, if that doesn't work, Ange will simply kill him until he dies.
Feb 24, 2015 1:57 AM

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Here's for hoping Tusk dies next episode!

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I like JO and all, but I've learned that when it comes to these matters, she's extremely overzealous and her words need to be taken with caution. I can see where she's coming from, but she is overreacting.
Feb 24, 2015 4:55 AM
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Tusk can't die :3, not until he wears his bad ass armor suit at the opening (the one his father used to wear as well) LOL

So much death flags, It could either be..
Hilda
Vivian
Momoka
Tusk
Feb 24, 2015 5:25 AM

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Lol death flags.
I usually laugh at the episode previews, but now I'm worried someone may die...
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Feb 24, 2015 5:34 AM

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TitanAnteus said:
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No Ange and Tusk did not spend time surviving the island. Ange and Tusk just spend a lot of time chilling, there was no surviving just paradise which it was stupid. Ange and Tusk did not have real interaction because the producers pull a disney move by playing a song between Ange and Tusk while acceleration time. Ange and Tusk have no real interaction and no deep relationship. Ange could have trusted the girls at Arzenal without Tusk because Ange was saved by Vivian and Ersha and see how much they care for her despite her rude attitude toward them. Episode 5 would of work out without Tusk. And seriously anybody could have taking Tusk role to rescue Ange from Misurugi. And Ange and Tusk did not went highs and lows together, only Ange was the one that went highs and lows.

You know. You're probably right. I'm setting my standards really low especially since this is the same guy who did the Seed series, and human relations were horrible in that one.

Still, while I agree that anyone could've done what Tusk did, Tusk was the one who did it. I'm not even trying to shit on your Yuri ships either. You're just saying there was nothing there, when there clearly is.


You're too kind, it's obviously a yuri fanboy, saying that Ange and Tusk had no real developement but hilda did? Then how about Ange already knows she loves him, after episode 14 im seriously impressed yuri fanboys are still on the roads, but even after this episode where Ange almost submitted to the rapist bastard, her feelings for Tusk saved her again and she called out his name, after this when you still think they have no developement you are just a low fanboy who only watched this show for yuri fanservice, ill be straight you are wasting your time, in the end Tusk will shine the most in this show.
Feb 24, 2015 11:13 AM

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Salia was fool to believe that she was the "one" for Embyro, she is making the same mistakes that she did with Jill...Too bad Embyro just won't die.

So Hilda finally realized her feelings (Rosalie too) team Ange x Hilda. but really, did she need to go to Tusk? I mean, she could have just asked if he did something with Ange, didn't need to offer herself in her place.

Nice thing Momoka saved Riza. Jill going nuts again...and she really knows how Embyro is, were the Ange's humiliation scenes necessary? I know it's a fanservice, but still...
And Sala comes to help! yeah! Hope Tusk dies next week! :D
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SanjiCC said:
TitanAnteus said:

You know. You're probably right. I'm setting my standards really low especially since this is the same guy who did the Seed series, and human relations were horrible in that one.

Still, while I agree that anyone could've done what Tusk did, Tusk was the one who did it. I'm not even trying to shit on your Yuri ships either. You're just saying there was nothing there, when there clearly is.


You're too kind, it's obviously a yuri fanboy, saying that Ange and Tusk had no real developement but hilda did? Then how about Ange already knows she loves him, after episode 14 im seriously impressed yuri fanboys are still on the roads, but even after this episode where Ange almost submitted to the rapist bastard, her feelings for Tusk saved her again and she called out his name, after this when you still think they have no developement you are just a low fanboy who only watched this show for yuri fanservice, ill be straight you are wasting your time, in the end Tusk will shine the most in this show.


First of all Tusk fanboy who say i was a yuri fan? No i'm not a yuri fan. You're too kind too defend Tusk because you deep down inside you know that Tusk was badly portrayed and you just hate yuri. LOL!
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TitanAnteus said:
AvatarJinzo said:

No Ange and Tusk did not spend time surviving the island. Ange and Tusk just spend a lot of time chilling, there was no surviving just paradise which it was stupid. Ange and Tusk did not have real interaction because the producers pull a disney move by playing a song between Ange and Tusk while acceleration time. Ange and Tusk have no real interaction and no deep relationship. Ange could have trusted the girls at Arzenal without Tusk because Ange was saved by Vivian and Ersha and see how much they care for her despite her rude attitude toward them. Episode 5 would of work out without Tusk. And seriously anybody could have taking Tusk role to rescue Ange from Misurugi. And Ange and Tusk did not went highs and lows together, only Ange was the one that went highs and lows.

You know. You're probably right. I'm setting my standards really low especially since this is the same guy who did the Seed series, and human relations were horrible in that one.

Still, while I agree that anyone could've done what Tusk did, Tusk was the one who did it. I'm not even trying to shit on your Yuri ships either. You're just saying there was nothing there, when there clearly is.


Wait who said i was a Yuri fan? No I'm a yuri fan. And I'm saying that clearly the romance was force.
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I wonder if they're ever going to explain Vylkiss or if that mech is just the mech that can do anything. Teleportation across dimensions? No problem? Teleporting to you even when turned off? Easy? Shooting song magic from the chest strong enough to destroy inter-dimensional collapses? No problem? HEALING? NO FUCKING PROBLEM! To be honest, I love the Vylkiss but I don't understand it so it confuses the hell out of me.

What about Ange's ring? Why did her mom have it?

Also, about killing off Embryo. There's 2 ways to do it.

1. Send embryo to the world of the dragons and kill him there. That way he'll stay dead.
2. Save aura, then kill embryo.

Embryo tries to sound all noble but this episode where he was quite literally torturing and messing around with Ange's feelings on a physical level proved he's a selfish ass. His statement about wanting to restart society is a lie in my opinion. The real reason he wants to combine the two worlds is because when he does, he'll become a god in both worlds.
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I'm all for Hilda x Ange, for the sake of non-meta endings. I also hope at least one person of the main cast dies. Pref not Hilda, but hey. If Tusk is a real man, he gives his life for Ange. Also, nice to see it confirmed that Elektra did know Embryo.

Moral of the show: getting turned on is your worst enemy.


A real man would live on with his love, not leave her heartbroken by dying.
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Is Embryo supposed to be the President, Funny Valentine?! What's up with coming back each time he dies. He must posses the Stand, "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap".
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To be honest, I don't think Tusk dying is a completely bad development.
I'd honestly like him to end up with Ange, but this wouldn't be the first time I've seen the main love interest get fridged.



These shipping wars are reminiscent of the rage people had at Korra's yuri end.

ATM, I'm mostly interested about how everything's going to tie up in the end. Which world will they open up Cafe Ange in XD? Also, what happened to the inspector lady, that got drunk and said Jill is the only one she can trust?

TOO MANY QUESTIONS!

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TitanAnteus said:
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It's a chick.

Cross Ange doesn't even hate women.
All the women in the show move the plot. They're all very beautiful, and while they're sexualized they're not sex objects.

All the men in the show are either complete assholes or have no direct effect on the plot.


Exactly, all the men are assholes or useless, maybe they are trying to make us hate men?

Just kidding, since I'm not a professional whiner.

Also, nothing can reduce a person to that of an object, especially not sex. The whole concept of "objectification" is nonsense.
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MdDaniels said:
TitanAnteus said:

Cross Ange doesn't even hate women.
All the women in the show move the plot. They're all very beautiful, and while they're sexualized they're not sex objects.

All the men in the show are either complete assholes or have no direct effect on the plot.


Exactly, all the men are assholes or useless, maybe they are trying to make us hate men?

Just kidding, since I'm not a professional whiner.

Also, nothing can reduce a person to that of an object, especially not sex. The whole concept of "objectification" is nonsense.


How dare you support rape culture and the patriarchy! This is an outrage, I'm calling Sarkeesian.
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The only rapists in the show are villains. I think it's a pretty good way to turn a character into a villain too. Libido focused get their way through violence type characters.

I don't agree that objectification is nonsense.

The idea of objectification is that the character has no purpose other than to be enjoyed by the other gender. For instance, if a girl is always a damsel in distress, always has fanservice for the sake of the other gender, and has no character of her own than you can consider that character objectified.

I think examples of such characters would be orihime from bleach and all of the female characters in guilty crown.

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Also, the dragon universe is a straight up matriarchy. The men do all the manual labor and quite literally live away from all the women in their lives. Being a male dragon sucks. You're born, get ridiculously huge and can't turn into your human form. You have children with a female dragon and if the child's a girl you probably wont get to see them.

I mean, i can sort of get why some people could call this show sexist. I mean... there's blatant pandering to the male gaze, but is that really all it takes for something to be considered sexist? Doesn't that just mean, that you're outside of the target audience? Like 50 shades of grey was mostly enjoyed by women for a reason. Twilight as well. Men didn't complain like... twilight's sexist because it hypersexualized the men in it.
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TitanAnteus said:
The only rapists in the show are villains. I think it's a pretty good way to turn a character into a villain too. Libido focused get their way through violence type characters.

I don't agree that objectification is nonsense.

The idea of objectification is that the character has no purpose other than to be enjoyed by the other gender. For instance, if a girl is always a damsel in distress, always has fanservice for the sake of the other gender, and has no character of her own than you can consider that character objectified.

I think examples of such characters would be orihime from bleach and all of the female characters in guilty crown.

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Also, the dragon universe is a straight up matriarchy. The men do all the manual labor and quite literally live away from all the women in their lives. Being a male dragon sucks. You're born, get ridiculously huge and can't turn into your human form. You have children with a female dragon and if the child's a girl you probably wont get to see them.

I mean, i can sort of get why some people could call this show sexist. I mean... there's blatant pandering to the male gaze, but is that really all it takes for something to be considered sexist? Doesn't that just mean, that you're outside of the target audience? Like 50 shades of grey was mostly enjoyed by women for a reason. Twilight as well. Men didn't complain like... twilight's sexist because it hypersexualized the men in it.


Objectification is nonsense. To view the opposite sex as, well, a sex partner is called having a sex drive. It's called biology. I'd go as far as to say that the word "sexist" (at least with its negative connotation) is equally nonsense. Both the male and female sexes have their different roles to play, for ALL non-asexual organisms. These are nothing more than buzzwords used to push agendas.
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ex_necross said:

Objectification is nonsense. To view the opposite sex as, well, a sex partner is called having a sex drive. It's called biology. I'd go as far as to say that the word "sexist" (at least with its negative connotation) is equally nonsense. Both the male and female sexes have their different roles to play, for ALL non-asexual organisms. These are nothing more than buzzwords used to push agendas.

I don't think we think of the word objectification the same.
You think about the word objectification as appreciating someone's sexuality.

I think about the word objectification as turning a character into no more than an object... no will of it's own and belonging to other people.

Sexist means not wanting equal rights for men and women. While I do think that the media takes it waaaaaay too far, I still think it's a thing. One way they take it too far is that whole wage gap. "Women make 77 cents to a man's dollar." That's actually completely wrong. If a man and woman apply and get the same job position they'll make the same amount of money. It's just that women legitimately AIM for lower paying jobs.
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I'm moved to tears that Ange didn't give in to temptation by Embryo sama aka The Sex God :'(



It proves she isn't a whore unlike most people these days who abandon their love just for a big cock.
A truly inspirational woman :'(
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Objectification is nonsense. To view the opposite sex as, well, a sex partner is called having a sex drive. It's called biology. I'd go as far as to say that the word "sexist" (at least with its negative connotation) is equally nonsense. Both the male and female sexes have their different roles to play, for ALL non-asexual organisms. These are nothing more than buzzwords used to push agendas.

I don't think we think of the word objectification the same.
You think about the word objectification as appreciating someone's sexuality.

I think about the word objectification as turning a character into no more than an object... no will of it's own and belonging to other people.

Sexist means not wanting equal rights for men and women. While I do think that the media takes it waaaaaay too far, I still think it's a thing. One way they take it too far is that whole wage gap. "Women make 77 cents to a man's dollar." That's actually completely wrong. If a man and woman apply and get the same job position they'll make the same amount of money. It's just that women legitimately AIM for lower paying jobs.


I'll just say this and not take the discussion any further: There's nobody more privileged than women in America.
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I could swear they did the same thing in episode 19 (or at least the preview for it) as well.
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I could swear they did the same thing in episode 19 (or at least the preview for it) as well.


They gotta save money on frames when they can. The little sister only gets 1 whip animation despite using it a good 3-4 times.

Loving this show so very much and I'll be very sad to see it go.
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Life is short... and then you die.

Expecting a death flag to be triggered next episode, and I'm pretty sure it ain't Ange, so the best bet would be Tusk. Considering that the last image in the ED scene showed an all girl cast, I really wouldn't bet against it. Plus, I don't see how the pervert boy's antics match up to "relationship growth", unless you mean Ange accidentally giving him head. Both Salamandinay and Hilda have had their moments with Ange that were inquisitive and not fueled by raging hormones. In that sense, I think either of them would have a greater chance at growing their relationship with her.

Actually, I feel like the biggest death flag they've shown was in this episode, which was Tusk's admittance that he would lose his cherry to Ange only. As much as I hate to see it, I'm afraid Tusk is gonna die a virgin now.

Hurry up next episode!
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Life is short... and then you die.

Expecting a death flag to be triggered next episode, and I'm pretty sure it ain't Ange, so the best bet would be Tusk. Considering that the last image in the ED scene showed an all girl cast, I really wouldn't bet against it. Plus, I don't see how the pervert boy's antics match up to "relationship growth", unless you mean Ange accidentally giving him head. Both Salamandinay and Hilda have had their moments with Ange that were inquisitive and not fueled by raging hormones. In that sense, I think either of them would have a greater chance at growing their relationship with her.

Actually, I feel like the biggest death flag they've shown was in this episode, which was Tusk's admittance that he would lose his cherry to Ange only. As much as I hate to see it, I'm afraid Tusk is gonna die a virgin now.

Hurry up next episode!


Hmmm....
For salako, they played games (in montage format) together as salako was trying to convince Ange to partner up with them. Also, they became friends after overcoming embryo's world merging. Ange's character doesn't change, but her perception of the dragon's change. (They've solidified their relationship as best friends, but with a big event it could turn romantic. Romantic Partner LV: 3(lower = better))

For hilda, ange allowed her onto the ship, they seperated when they landed, and they met up picking at each other's wounds until they became friends saying they hate the world. Ange's character doesn't change, but she perceives the whole world differently as well as Hilda. (Basically, they opened the door for progression to exist here. With a big event this relationship could go somewhere. Romantic Partner Lv: 2)

For tusk, they survive on an island for a while (in montage format.) Ange who hate's everyone by this point in time softens up to the point where she smiles when she meets up the other pilot's which they find surprising and point out. Even momoka sees her change in behavior. Ange also spends time with Tusk in the dragon world, where progression happened in many many ways. (tusk getting angry, ange who's had problems with sexuality from all the previous bad experiences offering herself up to him, ange getting jealous... etc etc...)
(Ange herself has shown homosexual tendencies once - when she kissed Rosalie, but she's clearly pining for Tusk as well, so I think it's safe to say she's bi. Romantic Partner Lv: 1)

I think if tusk dies, cross ange will get a yuri end for sure... but I won't like the show. Not even because I care that much about homosexual relationships but because I was on the fence for this show until the episode when Tusk appeared. He offered a tone change, helped us see a different side to Ange. It was ep 5 and on that the series really picked up for me, so if he dies, I'd be pretty sad.
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I think it's obvious that Ange has feelings for Tusk. But I wouldn't be surprised if they actually kill him off. It's a cheap method to accomplish two things: 1) Shove some forced feels down your throat and 2) Excuse for yuri end fanservice. I don't want them to stoop that low, but I fear that they just might.
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You know. You're probably right. I'm setting my standards really low especially since this is the same guy who did the Seed series, and human relations were horrible in that one.

Still, while I agree that anyone could've done what Tusk did, Tusk was the one who did it. I'm not even trying to shit on your Yuri ships either. You're just saying there was nothing there, when there clearly is.


You're too kind, it's obviously a yuri fanboy, saying that Ange and Tusk had no real developement but hilda did? Then how about Ange already knows she loves him, after episode 14 im seriously impressed yuri fanboys are still on the roads, but even after this episode where Ange almost submitted to the rapist bastard, her feelings for Tusk saved her again and she called out his name, after this when you still think they have no developement you are just a low fanboy who only watched this show for yuri fanservice, ill be straight you are wasting your time, in the end Tusk will shine the most in this show.


Well, it's obvious where this show is going: tragic death of Hilda and happy ending for Tusk and Ange.

That said, there's a LOT of character development between Ange and Hilda, and virtually none between Tusk and Ange.
Ange and Hilda came clashing from polar opposites, and found that they're the same: normas which were stripped from their families in a traumatic way, fought to return to their families, to find that there's no place for them now. And after that, isolation cell together. If not love, there's the basis for a deep mutual understanding there.

Now let's look Ange & RitoTusk: Nothing in common apart from the Vilkiss knight thing and ecchi goofs.

Of course, if Ange is straight there's no hope for Hilda, and being Tusk the ONLY no-duchebag male in the casting...
After all, you don't need a backstory to fall for a person you like, but for us yuri lovers this is a HUGE let down. After all, we're talking about a female only penitentiary, a whole Earth filled with lizard girls and dragons... and Tusk feels like out of place. I feel (slighty) cheated.
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Likewise, people who were looking for anime with good plot were seriously thrown off by the amount of fanservice at the beginning of the series. Thus, they dropped this show not knowing that a pretty good plot was in store for them. So ironically, we're left with tons of viewers who were in it for the yuri, who might leave sorely disappointed.

Because of that, Cross Ange is ranked at 2k+. Maybe this should serve as a lesson to the anime industry to not let unnecessary fanservice get in the way of the actual plot.
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Well, it's obvious where this show is going: tragic death of Hilda and happy ending for Tusk and Ange.

That said, there's a LOT of character development between Ange and Hilda, and virtually none between Tusk and Ange.
Ange and Hilda came clashing from polar opposites, and found that they're the same: normas which were stripped from their families in a traumatic way, fought to return to their families, to find that there's no place for them now. And after that, isolation cell together. If not love, there's the basis for a deep mutual understanding there.

Now let's look Ange & RitoTusk: Nothing in common apart from the Vilkiss knight thing and ecchi goofs.

Of course, if Ange is straight there's no hope for Hilda, and being Tusk the ONLY no-duchebag male in the casting...
After all, you don't need a backstory to fall for a person you like, but for us yuri lovers this is a HUGE let down. After all, we're talking about a female only penitentiary, a whole Earth filled with lizard girls and dragons... and Tusk feels like out of place. I feel (slighty) cheated.

You have a point that Ange has more in common with Hilda than Tusk, but I don't think commonality is the basis of relationships.

In Clannad, Tomoya and Nagisa have almost nothing in common. In Maoyu Maou Yuusha, Maou and Yuusha have nothing in common. In Sakurasou, Sorata and Mashiro have almost nothing in common. They're all really good relationships.

I think it's more about how they help each other grow as characters, which I think that Tusk has done for Ange more than any other member in the cast. When Ange first softens up, Tusk was the reason. When Ange, is confused about the future, she agrees with Tusks idea of what to do post-war and helps her regain some determination. When they first land in the world of dragon's he made Ange sad.

Seeing all this Ange X Hilda, I can't help but go back to their episode(s?) and I can't see it. For the life of me, all I see is friendship. Seriously. Flip the genders and how does it feel to you? Two men who were treated the same as children and after being abandoned by the world were sent to an isolation cell where they realized they got along when they previously didn't... This actually sounds like the plot of a shounen friendship I've read before. Ange and Hilda feel like Aoba and Dio from buddy complex imo.

Also, don't forget that Tusk brought the ancients to the table, which, without him would have no representation even though, they were the reason libertus existed. Also, it makes sense that the representation of Libertus is male and has no mana.
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Likewise, people who were looking for anime with good plot were seriously thrown off by the amount of fanservice at the beginning of the series. Thus, they dropped this show not knowing that a pretty good plot was in store for them. So ironically, we're left with tons of viewers who were in it for the yuri, who might leave sorely disappointed.

Because of that, Cross Ange is ranked at 2k+. Maybe this should serve as a lesson to the anime industry to not let unnecessary fanservice get in the way of the actual plot.

You know that's probably what happened.
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