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zurgboy00 said: Black King Hitler or Jesus? The comedy though I liked it but Its going overboard its not being balanced between the seriousness of the story. THIS ALSO: lol Well, that pretty much confirms it. As if it weren't obvious enough... |
thebrentinator24 said: wow people keep repeating this stupid theory. I mean I would expect it from japanese s they have little to no idea of western culture. Also Rasputin was not killed unjustly. He was a maniac that tried to rule Russia by making fake miracles. Both him and Joahne D'arc where demonically possessed. If they go that way it would be a huge scandal.I wouldn't be surprised if the Black King is Jesus, all of the Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed, and Jesus is definitely considered one of the prime examples of that. At this point I'm not even going to complain about the comedy anymore, I'll just sound like a broken record. It was a bit more fitting in this episode because there wasn't much going on, but I still didn't care for it. |
Low_Ki said: but Jesus dying was part of the plan. I mean he could not beat death and resurrect without dying.Stigmata, wanted to save humanity but was betrayed, healing powers....... Black King's identity seems too obvious and has to be a red herring, right? |
ErwinJA said: TheTsunami said: There seems to be a bit of a theme to the ends: those who served their people (or masters) only to be betrayed by them:Jesus didn't handle rejection very well. Jeanne d'Arc, an ardent Catholic, was tried and convicted by a religious court supposedly following Catholic law, but almost every right she had under that law was violated because it would have been impossible to convict her otherwise. Grigori Rasputin was murdered by the royal family he was serving. Anastasia was murdered by her subjects as a result of the Russian Revolution. Akechi Mitsuhide felt betrayed by Nobunaga after the latter indirectly and unrepentantly caused the murder of a family member, which is what led to his betrayal and eventual death. Gilles de Rais is a little more complicated, but his family did set the equivalent of a restraining order against him selling property (he was a profligate spender), and there have been persistent rumors that he was set up in the child murder case, a charge lent some credence by who got his estate after he died (his lord). Jesus, obviously, follows this as well, and can be interpreted to have suffered the ultimate rejection and betrayal by those he tried to help. Jeanne d'Arc was deceived by demons pretending to be angels of light. Grigori Rasputin was a lecherous drunkard that tried to manipulate and control the royal family. Anastasia Romanov was the victim of a civil war and manipulated by Rasputin Akechi Mitsuhide was an opportunist truing a coup d'etat and failing Gilles de Rais was a maniac executat for multiple murders rapes and many others; he was a friend of Jeanne so things do link together as they are all either evil people or people that blindly follow those evil people. Neither of them served their people. Why would Jesus be grouped with these guys? Makes no sense. |
nightcrawlercyp said: thebrentinator24 said: wow people keep repeating this stupid theory. I mean I would expect it from japanese s they have little to no idea of western culture. Also Rasputin was not killed unjustly. He was a maniac that tried to rule Russia by making fake miracles. Both him and Joahne D'arc where demonically possessed. If they go that way it would be a huge scandal.I wouldn't be surprised if the Black King is Jesus, all of the Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed, and Jesus is definitely considered one of the prime examples of that. At this point I'm not even going to complain about the comedy anymore, I'll just sound like a broken record. It was a bit more fitting in this episode because there wasn't much going on, but I still didn't care for it. I wasn't going to respond to this, but I changed my mind because I would like to thank you. Out of all the comments above my original one that said the literal same thing about the "Black King = Jesus" theory, thank you for choosing MINE to respond to, almost an entire week after I posted it, at which point I no longer care about (or even remember, for that matter) what I originally wrote. |
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Low_Ki said: nightcrawlercyp said: but Jesus dying was part of the plan. I mean he could not beat death and resurrect without dying. Not the first time anime/manga has taken liberties with retelling religion. While Evangelion, D-Gray Man and Fate are the most popular it's a very common thing. Though when I reflect, it's kinda funny that the most hilariously offensive version I've seen was from a western comic aka Preacher. Low_Ki said: nightcrawlercyp said: but Jesus dying was part of the plan. I mean he could not beat death and resurrect without dying. Not the first time anime/manga has taken liberties with retelling religion. While Evangelion, D-Gray Man and Fate are the most popular it's a very common thing. Though when I reflect, it's kinda funny that the most hilariously offensive version I've seen was from a western comic aka Preacher. Evangelion is considered one of the worse anime of all time although it had plenty of followers at the time. Fate is more about the Grail myth with has little to nothing to do with christianity and more with druidism. D'Gray is about exorcisms. And there is a big difference. Because it isn't retelling religion but is trying to change the core of christianity. And keeping details from the Biblical account shows it is explicitely directed at that. The core of christianity is Jesus's willing death and resurrection. If that did not happen then christianity is nothing more than madness. |
thebrentinator24 said: I answered your comment because of this piece of sentence " Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed" which is false.nightcrawlercyp said: wow people keep repeating this stupid theory. I mean I would expect it from japanese s they have little to no idea of western culture. Also Rasputin was not killed unjustly. He was a maniac that tried to rule Russia by making fake miracles. Both him and Joahne D'arc where demonically possessed. If they go that way it would be a huge scandal. I wasn't going to respond to this, but I changed my mind because I would like to thank you. Out of all the comments above my original one that said the literal same thing about the "Black King = Jesus" theory, thank you for choosing MINE to respond to, almost an entire week after I posted it, at which point I no longer care about (or even remember, for that matter) what I originally wrote. |
nightcrawlercyp said: thebrentinator24 said: I answered your comment because of this piece of sentence " Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed" which is false.I wasn't going to respond to this, but I changed my mind because I would like to thank you. Out of all the comments above my original one that said the literal same thing about the "Black King = Jesus" theory, thank you for choosing MINE to respond to, almost an entire week after I posted it, at which point I no longer care about (or even remember, for that matter) what I originally wrote. I'm not entirely sure how that statement is false. I looked up most of the Ends and they all seem to be people who were wrongly killed (Joan of Arc being executed but then posthumously exonerated) or people who died earlier than they should have, like Rasputin. I never said Rasputin was killed unjustly, so he would fall into the category of people who died prematurely, since he would have lived longer if he wasn't assassinated (obviously). |
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nightcrawlercyp said: Low_Ki said: but Jesus dying was part of the plan. I mean he could not beat death and resurrect without dying.Stigmata, wanted to save humanity but was betrayed, healing powers....... Black King's identity seems too obvious and has to be a red herring, right? That is if you actually believe every word the Bible tells you. If you don't, you can interpret the whole thing in other ways. Like in way that don't include godly magic for example. |
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thebrentinator24 said: nightcrawlercyp said: I answered your comment because of this piece of sentence " Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed" which is false. I'm not entirely sure how that statement is false. I looked up most of the Ends and they all seem to be people who were wrongly killed (Joan of Arc being executed but then posthumously exonerated) or people who died earlier than they should have, like Rasputin. I never said Rasputin was killed unjustly, so he would fall into the category of people who died prematurely, since he would have lived longer if he wasn't assassinated (obviously). thebrentinator24 said: Jeanne D'Arc was exonerated because the Pope was a populist and wanted to keep people happy not because she was innocent. While I do not agree with the execution she was in grave demonic delusion and had an important role in an war that basically only cause useless deaths. About Rasputin... everyone that is killed you can say died earlier than it should. He was 47 when he died so he did not exactly died young either.nightcrawlercyp said: I answered your comment because of this piece of sentence " Ends seem to be historical figures that were wrongly and/or prematurely killed" which is false. I'm not entirely sure how that statement is false. I looked up most of the Ends and they all seem to be people who were wrongly killed (Joan of Arc being executed but then posthumously exonerated) or people who died earlier than they should have, like Rasputin. I never said Rasputin was killed unjustly, so he would fall into the category of people who died prematurely, since he would have lived longer if he wasn't assassinated (obviously). |
Klimat said: nightcrawlercyp said: but Jesus dying was part of the plan. I mean he could not beat death and resurrect without dying. That is if you actually believe every word the Bible tells you. If you don't, you can interpret the whole thing in other ways. Like in way that don't include godly magic for example. If I believe what the Bible told me? The roman records confirm this is how things happened. In what other way can you interpret it? The jews wanted the Messiah to be an earthly ruler that basically liberated Israel from roman occupation. This is the main reason why they had him killed. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Klimat said: That is if you actually believe every word the Bible tells you. If you don't, you can interpret the whole thing in other ways. Like in way that don't include godly magic for example. If I believe what the Bible told me? The roman records confirm this is how things happened. In what other way can you interpret it? Here is the other way: god does not exist, Jesus was a mere human like everyone else, also he was either delusional to think he was a son of god, either a conscious lier/manipulator. His attempts to gain power failed when Romans successfully killed him off. 20 years later his few followers that left started recording history mixed with myths and fairytale about Jesus. Those stories gained traction and with time became a foundation of a new religion. |
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Klimat said: nightcrawlercyp said: If I believe what the Bible told me? The roman records confirm this is how things happened. In what other way can you interpret it? Here is the other way: god does not exist, Jesus was a mere human like everyone else, also he was either delusional to think he was a son of god, either a conscious lier/manipulator. His attempts to gain power failed when Romans successfully killed him off. 20 years later his few followers that left started recording history mixed with myths and fairytale about Jesus. Those stories gained traction and with time became a foundation of a new religion. Even if you start with the premise he was just a man he never attempted to get power or wealth. Actually this is the reason the jews had him crucified. I know the romans actually executed them but it was the jews that asked for it in a violent manner. Pilate found him innocent. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Klimat said: Here is the other way: god does not exist, Jesus was a mere human like everyone else, also he was either delusional to think he was a son of god, either a conscious lier/manipulator. His attempts to gain power failed when Romans successfully killed him off. 20 years later his few followers that left started recording history mixed with myths and fairytale about Jesus. Those stories gained traction and with time became a foundation of a new religion. Even if you start with the premise he was just a man he never attempted to get power or wealth. He told people he was a living god and that they should abandon their families and follow him and his teachings. If that is not power, I don't know what is. |
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Klimat said: maybe you should read the gospels again. It never says to abandon your family it is about the value one puts on things. Is about not being blackmailable.nightcrawlercyp said: Even if you start with the premise he was just a man he never attempted to get power or wealth. He told people he was a living god and that they should abandon their families and follow him and his teachings. If that is not power, I don't know what is. |
| Another EPIC hype episode! Comedy never gets old! Oda Nobunaga is really a genius and casually knows what's he's talking about and what's about to happened! and also evil and wants to be behind the scene pulling the strings! It's confirmed! Black King is Jesus himself! just look at his palm of his hand! there's a stigmata! Toyohisa appointed as leader even though he's a bit hesitant and never agreed! LOL at that Oppai grab of Oda to Olminu! Oppainu "Boobinu" Put to display Shimazu Clan tactics with back-up Oda Nobunaga tactics! this is so much hype! 5/5! |
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nightcrawlercyp said: Klimat said: maybe you should read the gospels again. It never says to abandon your family it is about the value one puts on things. Is about not being blackmailable.He told people he was a living god and that they should abandon their families and follow him and his teachings. If that is not power, I don't know what is. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 10:34 It's about putting values that Jesus specifically tells are good above everything, including family. Of cause in that case values that are not approved by Jesus should be abandoned. It's about Jesus telling people he is the only one who knows what's right for them, so that they should follow his orders blindly at all times antagonizing everyone and everything that is in the way of doing so. That is seeking for ultimate power over people. |
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royaldocks said: The comedy is getting worse and worse. I have no problem with Hellsing's comedy and even enjoyed it why the hell do I find Drifter's comedy so cringe worthy !? It feels so out of place. But Im still liking this show so far. I love the comedy. Think it brings a perfect balance to the brutality. |
| that ending suprised the hell out of me, those scum ass vatos are gonna pay bigtime they shall reap what they have sown |
Klimat said: Well that is because He does know. There is a quote from the epistles that says that those "which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves" . What this means is that inside human heart is written the law of God . Have you not find it interesting that most human have the same basic morals, that we believe is bad to hurt others and that is good to help them for instance? Christ said that all the law can be contained in two commandments : to love God with all your being and your fellow man as yourself. Do you think that killing someone because your wife tells you to is good? Or not helping someone because your family tells you not to? Ok ultimate power but you should also see how it is used. It is never used for personal gain but for the person to have a virtuous moral life instead of a self destructive one. What use for instance is to hoard wealth if you cannot enjoy it? If you die today what use would it be you gathered the wealth? Also please note that Christ can resurrect the dead so if it were Him he could just resurrect all his dead army.nightcrawlercyp said: maybe you should read the gospels again. It never says to abandon your family it is about the value one puts on things. Is about not being blackmailable. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 10:34 It's about putting values that Jesus specifically tells are good above everything, including family. Of cause in that case values that are not approved by Jesus should be abandoned. It's about Jesus telling people he is the only one who knows what's right for them, so that they should follow his orders blindly at all times antagonizing everyone and everything that is in the way of doing so. That is seeking for ultimate power over people. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Well that is because He does know. There is a quote from the epistles that says that those "which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves" . What this means is that inside human heart is written the law of God. That I can easily argue against, but the fact is that is not even relevant for this conversation at hand. You've asked for an interpretation of the Bible in which Jesus being upset about his death makes sense, I gave you such an interpretation: there is no God, Jesus was a mere mortal, Bible is a book of history mixed with fairy tales. If you want to put holes in this interpretation from within, you can't bring up god being real, you can only use internal logic of the interpretation itself. |
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Klimat said: How about Him commanding to love those that do harm to you, to do good to them? does not that contradict the whole idea?nightcrawlercyp said: Well that is because He does know. There is a quote from the epistles that says that those "which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves" . What this means is that inside human heart is written the law of God. That I can easily argue against, but the fact is that is not even relevant for this conversation at hand. You've asked for an interpretation of the Bible in which Jesus being upset about his death makes sense, I gave you such an interpretation: there is no God, Jesus was a mere mortal, Bible is a book of history mixed with fairy tales. If you want to put holes in this interpretation from within, you can't bring up god being real, you can only use internal logic of the interpretation itself. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Klimat said: How about Him commanding to love those that do harm to you, to do good to them? does not that contradict the whole idea?That I can easily argue against, but the fact is that is not even relevant for this conversation at hand. You've asked for an interpretation of the Bible in which Jesus being upset about his death makes sense, I gave you such an interpretation: there is no God, Jesus was a mere mortal, Bible is a book of history mixed with fairy tales. If you want to put holes in this interpretation from within, you can't bring up god being real, you can only use internal logic of the interpretation itself. Nope. He was a mere human, so he changed his mind over a traumatic experience. Simple explanation. |
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| Wish it focused more on the other group of historical figures in this episode. |
| Damn the humor was so bad i even closed my eyes, next time they should refrain from using too much humor. I am a comedy fan but that was awful. Drifters should do what they good at war and superpower. |
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That face makes me damp... in sweat... due to nightmares. His father/son-ish relationship with Toyohisa though. Yoichi learned the Elven language fair and square, not that this is a competition or anything but it goes to show that he's dedicated, observant and quite the scholar if he was able to learn the language without the assistance of magical paper strips. Those cute little elven boys are older than me and Toyohisa lol. That 21-year-old-looking elf is older than Oda. lol. I'm also guessing Black King is Jesus. |
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| Good episode that helped define some of the black kings personality and his motivations for fighting the war Its also nice that Toyohisa didn't forget about the elves either Lol Easy being all high and mighty as she addresses a empty desk that Murasaki was supposed to be at well Olmine at last tells the drifters their purpose for being brought to this world eh Nobunaga sure loves his speeches eh Man the ends look like a dark reflection of humanity as a whole in truth they were all prosecuted and killed by those that they tried to protect Joan of Arc is a good example here Lol So the drifters are now planning to take over the world in order to protect against the ends Lol i bet that wasn't in olmine's calculations but it looks like she doesn't mind it against a unified army that the black king has built you need an army of your own to repel them hmm so the black king does care about his troops and its interesting to see that he once tried to save humanity but was instead rejected by them similar vibes to Jesus here Hmm i forgot about the villagers actually since they helped kill the lords knight the lord will send forces to destroy them but at least the drifters hasn't forgotten about them lol Olmine should have produced that charm earlier lol would have saved Yoichi a lot of time if anything apart from being a powerful warrior Toyohisa is also a great orator as well that speech he gave to the elves was pretty good ah so Nobunaga is reminded of his own son that Toyohisa resembles somewhat still i think that Toyohisa's retort was a bit too much But it looks like they recovered quickly Man the elves sure look young for their age lol man those troops have no idea on just how powerful the drifters are I hope that the zero pilot survives though but since he's a drifter he has to |
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| Dang, so the Black King seems to be super strong. It looks like all the Ends had "unjustified" deaths and are super angry about that ... I don't know too much about Hijikata, but I guess Rasputin and Joan can be considered that. So they basically want to free all the demi-humans ... interesting! Looks like the Drifters managed to get the elves on their side though. Nobunaga is hilarious lol, I love him XD So he just wants Toyohisa to be the leader so he can tell him what to do from behind the scenes :P Seems like now they have a universal translation charm as well ... are they gonna go away with the Elvish language entirely then? I guess it's easier for them XD Seems like the Organization isn't super useful though, with no troops or anything ... I wonder who their Grand Master is though? This person seems strong at least. Looks like the Elves are gonna take revenge on the soldiers next episode .. oh boy, next episode's gonna be fun isn't it :D |
| Ok, this was a build-up episode I guess. Still don't like the comedy but I can live with that. 3/5 |
zurgboy00 said: Black King Hitler or Jesus? The comedy though I liked it but Its going overboard its not being balanced between the seriousness of the story. THIS ALSO: I have no idea about the BK being Jesus but I do found it odd that BK have the power to heal wounds and the fact that he actually cares about his soldiers. Rather than healing the soldiers, I thought he going to kill them all for being weak & useless from being injured. Another point to add is that Jesus are said to be a carpenter in his life. Reveling his true identity will bring nothing but a shitstorm when it hits the fan. |
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| A person who fought until the very end then committed suicide. Maybe they'll bring in Hitler? Not that he is the only one in that, but it would be interesting. |
| Surprised at how well the show does comedy when it's not the main focus of the anime. My guess is that the Black King is an elf. |
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| My God, the comedy scenes are even worse than the ones in Hellsing smh. |
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| This anime is just awesome. Really looking forward to going through the rest of this season |
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| An episode with a bit more character development! Pretty nice, let's see what's next! |
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| The beginning definitely stated out what the motivation of the dark king is and why he wants to destroy all the humans. After that it was a bunch of comedy for this episode. Definitely more then normal but it was fun to watch. Nobunaga, Toyohisa and Yoichi are so crazy together hahaha. Seems like they're taking it pretty easy even after hearing who the dark king and the ends are and why the magicians need the help of the drifters. It also seems that the group in the elve village which got killed by Toyohisa, Nobunaga and Yoichi came from Olme? And now they dispatched 200 people to kill them and the elves. Toyohisa managed to persuade the elves to fight for their lifes. Crazy that even the little elves were older as Toyohisa xD |
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