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Feb 3, 2013 4:50 AM
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Even though the idea of Maria being the mother of a child that now helps the enemy fight humans sounds pretty much like that's actually the answer,but I still doubt it.
I mean considering that Maria and Mamoru were 14 when they left, how old can their child be?
12 could not really be possible, this means they must have had sex immediately after leaving, so if they really had a child or even some children together, they would most likely be around 10, which is maybe a little too young to be able to use cantus or to be taught how to even use it.
It was said that their bones where found, but how many years after they left? It was mentioned before that they would send out copycats to kill them right away and that even naighbour villages would help out with that.
So that means that those cats weren't able to kill them which of course leads us to think that they joined the enemy. But I think it's a little odd that they would look for them for at least several years (which is very likely considering that maria didn't immediately give birth after leaving)
So maybe Tomiko was lying, maybe they got fooled or maybe they are really dead, I personally still hope that they are alive.
On thing that is actually totally unrelevent, still gives me hope.
And that is the ending, the first one was sung by Saki, the main character within those episodes. So now the ending is sung by Maria, which is maybe a hint, that she will be of greater importance in this arc?

Ah well all in all I liked the episode and it's very interesting to read different ideas on how the show could continue.
In the end I hope that at least Maria isn't dead, I really liked her from the start and found her relationship with Saki very nice.
Feb 3, 2013 6:21 AM

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That was too damn awesome !!! I thought the new arc was going to be boring , but the series are surprising me again . Awesome ! That guy was really badass when he got serious xD Looking forward for more .
Feb 3, 2013 6:35 AM

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Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.
Feb 3, 2013 6:59 AM

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This episode made my eyes wet and I don't even know why. Probably the way they use the amazing soundtrack in this anime together with some stunning visuals.

Shit gets real and I love it. All my hope in this anime has been fulfilled. I can clearly say it's anime of 2012/early13.
I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe.
Feb 3, 2013 7:00 AM
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MoonageDaydream said:
Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.
12 and a half years (it was winter, now it's summer) have passed, the child can be almost 12 (or 12, if maria was already pregnant)
Feb 3, 2013 7:11 AM

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pinotto90 said:
MoonageDaydream said:
Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.
12 and a half years (it was winter, now it's summer) have passed, the child can be almost 12 (or 12, if maria was already pregnant)

Actually 11 and a half years past assuming it was snowing in the winter.
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MoonageDaydream said:
pinotto90 said:
MoonageDaydream said:
Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.
12 and a half years (it was winter, now it's summer) have passed, the child can be almost 12 (or 12, if maria was already pregnant)

Actually 11 and a half years past assuming it was snowing in the winter.


But that would mean she had sex with Mamoru immediately after leaving, when they were both just 14...
somehow this seems so unlikely but then again, in a stressful situation things like that seem to happen more quickly.
But I still think, since Maria actually loved Saki, a decision like having a child with Mamoru would still take some time till it really happens.
Feb 3, 2013 8:35 AM
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MoonageDaydream said:
Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.


12...
Feb 3, 2013 12:22 PM

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wohooooooooooooooooooo heating. Great episode!
Feb 3, 2013 2:48 PM

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kpk10 said:
MoonageDaydream said:
Assuming Maria had a child, I would guess it would be 10, almost 11.


12...

I don`tsee how.
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Another amazing episode. That masked dude was completely badass, power beyond anything we've seen so far. It feels like as long as he's there, Yakomaru has no chance... because of that he'll probably die now :/ (I hope he doesn't)

Sad to find out that Mamoru and Maria are dead.. unless they're not...

Anyway, I'm really loving this anime. So original..
Feb 3, 2013 4:39 PM

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dat ending with maria's wild hair. she looks just like mama....from that horror movie. you should all watch it. scary as hell
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Feb 3, 2013 6:33 PM

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Shit got real, man, I wasl aware that Shisei is the most powerful Cantus user but damn, he still surprised me, especially with his eyes.

I hope they are going to explain the light that came out of that one guy, strange scene.
Feb 3, 2013 7:10 PM
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rul said:

That woman being more like a goddess or spirit is more plausible since she also is showing a sort of emotional reaction... she is smiling, it looks as if she is smiling to Saki. No doubt itțs the same woman from episode 4, except there she looks in pain. In both cases, she appears when someone is killed and Saki seems to be the only one able to see her.

That's right, we even see here two times in episode 4. Didn't Shun see her the first time, too (when the false minoshiro died)?
Damn, I miss Shun.

I agree that Maria's child seems to be the plausible option but still it feels way too obvious. As long as Shisei doesn't die I'm fine with everything.
Feb 4, 2013 1:22 AM

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Shit got real.
Feb 4, 2013 9:46 AM
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1345819/absurdres-akizuki_maria-aonuma_shun-asahina_satoru


Such a sad and sweet comic. *sniff*

I'm sure that it's true and that even if Shun was still alive and Saki and Satoru would have still got to be together he would have been happy for them since he loved both of them.
Feb 4, 2013 11:37 AM

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Am I the only person who for some reason found this the most terrifying part of the episode?



no you're not. it actually put me in mid-freaked mode when i saw it. and the last part where in Maria is talking is creepy if i focused to her eye for the duration of the scene


You definitely weren't the only one...

This episode was a little bit weird. hehehe

I agree that the relationships aren't well designed in this arc yet. They changed a lot from arc to arc, episode 8 was the first shock 'cause I was watching something and then a new line of relationships appeared (I'm not against it but they seemed a completely different group of people after childhood). Maybe I would explain these differences with the fact that they had their memories changed so many times during life...

I felt a mixed of fear and compassion for Maria in the end of the episode. It seemed that she was trying to convince herself... If in the novel Saki was never in love with Maria, as who read the novel are always telling us, I don't think the anime is telling us that she was. What I think the anime is directly saying is that Saki loved Maria (not that she was in love, although in a society like that is pretty much hard to define love and passion; I mean, Saki loved her friend and the love between them even had the sex ingredient, but since that was pretty much a regular habit let's say that she actually thought all the time about Shun and maybe that defines what passion is...) The anime also says that Maria loved and was in love with Saki but she knew she couldn't actually have her. I think that they are trying to explain the importance of Maria to the story adding so many things about her, and not that Maria was Saki's true love etc.

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm starting to learn japanese is to read the novel. I really want to read the novel! Maybe in 10 years... :(

PS.: The music of the battle moments is creepy and I liked it very much! lol
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Cantus manifests itself in puberty. I'm not too far along the novels, but what I've read implies that heavily. Once Cantus manifests itself, you get moved from the elementary school to the Unified School.

As noted in the above discussions, Maria and Mamoru's kid can be at most 12 years old. On top of that, the child would lack most of the Cantus knowledge that the human communities understand (the False Minoshiros have little/no knowledge about Cantus I think?). I find it unlikely that the Bakenezumi are using Maria and Mamoru's child, but maybe I'm wrong.
Feb 4, 2013 5:06 PM

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ArtificialxSky said:
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? They were seen with their kid.

Maria and Mamoru are alive still with their kid. Maria even made herself appeared naked to Saki.

WTF are you talking about. They are both alive and the bones are fake shit.

You all not smart about this. Most of the shit that happened in this episode I knew SINCE THE START. All that happened in this episode I KNEW! I did not even have to read the LN I KNEW! Therefore I am better than all. I did not need to read any book to even know what was not shown in the anime.

Shows what serious can be and what fun is, not much in comprehension at least.

Maria is dead if anything due to childbirth or will be killed by her kid.

They are not stupid as to get killed by shit ass rottens.

If anything their kid could have turned Karma Demonic and killed them both. Who knows.
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Feb 4, 2013 5:18 PM

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Damn Kaburagi is a badass looking character
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After seeing this a second time and not being delusional I have rather intense RAGE! WTF is this BS for real. This unreal. Maria and Mamoru got killed for real. I mean I can’t even apply my theorem I realized no matter almost what.

About my theorem on why it might have been possible for Maria/Mamoru to live on, I was thinking Mamoru evolved his Cantus or Maria perhaps in to acquiring Shape-shifting and cloning somehow. Thus in fear could have cloned themselves to fool squealer or at the very least to fool all of their death. By doing so the DNA and Denture fooling could have been possible and the belief they are alive out there.

About the reality, well reality sucks shit! With all the signs pointing that the death is more real than a joke I slowly realized my hatred. DEATH TO THE RATS AND TO ALL WHO ASSOCIATE WITH THEM! WTF! How could Maria and Mamoru die even. This is not thinkable. I still can’t believe. SOMEONE PROVE IT TO ME THEY ARE DEAD! Were is the LN passages to has more details of this? This could be the only shot and the manga might detail WTF happens. If anything it’s the following,

Whom comes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backstab
Whom is pretty much head on. The reason I site it is cause the rat mostly learned this from that library shit I call it. It really is a big shit that gave huge amount of power to the Rats. After all Knowledge = Power.

IMO Maria was already at the Moth Colony and treated with death to hide for the time being. Gradually she let her guard down perhaps after sometime of having a kid with Mamoru. The kid was taken and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing
Was possible to learn from the library shit. I infer strongly from the notion of Third Category of Class 4 forbidden documents says of catastrophe whom weapon building is told. Third category might also have other classes of weapon able technique like brainwashing. They did that to the kid in thinking it was the humans who killed his parents and easily make him into a killing machine. This goes back to what some said. However I think there is more to it.

About other references, IMO of other things learned by the Rats would be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist
And
Linked with
http://mises.org/community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/05/11/anarchism-and-democracy.aspx
While together both already can give out a nice set of brain food. Combined with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_control
Could have led to how the F the rats knew of camouflage and being in crowds while killing that person. Terrorism might another knowledge they got from the library.

About Third Category of Class 4 forbidden documents says of catastrophe whom weapon building is told, basically my thinking was to all in the room of the conference. Euh WTF are you doing. RED ALERT! NOW! Setup defence around. The groups of five should have been done before even any annihilation is told. In case they got this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spying
From the library shit. Just that notion makes them know all what is planned ahead.

So in not doing so Torigae Hiromi IS DEAD! GREAT SHIT LEADERS THERE ARE! Amazing really. This cost so many lives and so much shit that it’s incredible dumbfounded.

About Maria’s figure, in the spoiler (NSFW)the explanation is perhaps that Maria conveyed a last appearance and got sent to Heavens with this guy? Looks logical to me but I still refuse to believe she is dead.

About thee end, well I am DAMN PISSED OFF! I WANT ALL THE RATS DEAD! ERASE THE RACE! On the anger makes me caps. Oh this is really bad to cap like this. I would go to all of Japan and make sure every spec of that race is dead. That’s all. Nothing more to add other than the first reaction. THE CREATOR IS STUPID! He should have never gotten Maria and Mamoru killed like that. They better show WTF happens to them before they die.

Show me the truth damn it! Creator man!

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Feb 5, 2013 3:07 PM

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That was great! Can't wait for the next episode. I can't help but admit I'm a little lost though >_< This is all very subtly but brilliantly done haha xD

Was that girl flying in the blue light Maria...? That would explain Saki's surprise. And what was that with Maria at the end ?

Uwaaa so many unknowns. But it keeps me on my toes ^_^

But I really hate those Monster Rats. I know it's horrible, but when Tomiko-san said what she did, I was pretty dang happy.
Feb 5, 2013 6:24 PM

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I think you guys should consider holding all those spolerish info for yourselves.
Feb 5, 2013 7:09 PM

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Damn that bald dude that died was kinda cool. Shisei is awesome though especially those yes. Kill those damn bastard rats.

Maybe they found a way to harness powers or take them from people?

I hope Kiroumaru is still alive and comes back.
Feb 5, 2013 8:01 PM
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I want to see the next episode!!!
Feb 5, 2013 8:19 PM

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Leave it to Shinsekai to make you speechless. So that's the reason that guy was wearing a mask.

You have to give it to Yakomaru, he's smart to come up with something like that.
Feb 5, 2013 10:14 PM

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shit just got real...everything is starting to make sense now (at least a bit)

I hope maria and that dude is still alive. damn that yakomaru
Feb 6, 2013 2:03 AM

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I thought I'd share this,it might have some spoilers so watch at your own risk.






Nah, that's just an old classmate or a work buddy they grouped with. Maria wouldn't go back to the village so easily.

I knew Yakomaru wasn't good. Although probably he wouldn't have came up with all that plan without that mysterious source of information.
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Feb 6, 2013 11:48 AM

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It was a great episode,really liked that madman's death.
Feb 6, 2013 6:28 PM

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great episode, cant wait for the next one bah xD
Feb 7, 2013 7:38 PM

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YES! Finally a great episode! Maybe Shun back in one of the next episodes as the Ogre??
Feb 7, 2013 8:03 PM

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I think it's clear now that it's not Maria who should have died all those years ago but Squealer.

So it's all actually Saki and Satoru's fault because, if Saki wouldn't have saved him from the queen or if Satoru wouldn't have helped him and his colony in battle Squealer would have been dead and none of that shit would have happened :/


Hindsight is 20/20 man. I think they made a rational decision helping Squealer back on the summer trip. After all, he did rescue them in the first place, and they needed his help to get out of that situation.
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4. Maria wanted to have kids
I thought about that too. A few people might think that she might be dead or alive, but recall the queerat-queens. Maybe they lobotomized Maria into a birthmachine. That would be very cruel to see.


Even if they did, it wouldn't be very efficient because she can only give birth to one child at a time, unlike the bakenezumi queens.
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Feb 8, 2013 6:59 PM

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DAMN! This show just got awesome!
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Feb 8, 2013 8:42 PM

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dude, that fucking scream in the preview...
Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
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near the end when tomiko san mentioned how tomigae suggested postponing the festival, i dont understand the meaning of this. i'm probably just slow but could someone please explain? not sure if it just means she died or something
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near the end when tomiko san mentioned how tomigae suggested postponing the festival, i dont understand the meaning of this. i'm probably just slow but could someone please explain? not sure if it just means she died or something

Yes. She did... and it's ironic because she's the one who said they shouldn't have the festival.

THIS EPISODE WAS OVER 9000!!!!
Feb 23, 2013 8:38 AM

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Sorry, but even assuming they had sex immediately, you have to give them the 9 months pregnancy. It can't be older than 11.
Feb 25, 2013 10:18 PM

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What was with the naked lady with the huge knockers flying out of that dudes eyeball?
Feb 26, 2013 7:08 PM

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There was something in the second episode that was bugging me ever since... Saki said: "I guess if Maria had never been born, many people could have been spared.".

DAT FORESHADOWING. Guess it all makes sense now.
Mar 17, 2013 12:20 PM

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Maybe the director of this series doesn't like an opposite sex relationship? :/
Before, they showed us some scenes of Shun and Satoru kissing.. Saki and Maria too..
But when it comes to Saki and Satoru? there was none! ><
Mar 17, 2013 12:40 PM

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wow. i like this episode..
that 4eyed guy is very powerful!
i wonder who is that girl just came and flying up in the sky..
Mar 21, 2013 3:21 PM

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Dang.. So Maria and Mamoru died from the Queerats then? So they really did exterminate Maria and Mamoru back then.. That's they only way that the bones even have the DNA of the two. Seems like Saki accepted their death, whatnot with her yukata matching that of mourning clothing. Plus the ending scene with Maria's final words so to speak. And now that I look at the ending visuals, it's not that the plot is going to be all about Maria and how she and Mamoru are planning all these issues, it's about Saki accepting the death of Maria. Sine in the visuals we saw Maria's spirit/essence fly up to the sky like how one's spirit would do after the body dies.

Nice episode, the ending visuals really are nicely animated, especially those falling sakura petals^^ We got to see more of Satoru comforting Saki too<3 But I do hear that it was supposed to be more than what they showed us >.< Kyaa!

Next ep!
Mar 23, 2013 9:25 PM

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"We can't have children since we're both girls, right?"
THE FORESHADOWING IS SO STRONG HERE. And I would know, since I've read spoilers. lol

I'm excited! This Queerats vs Humans arc seems so exciting and interesting! :) AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Too bad I have to sleep now ):

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There was something in the second episode that was bugging me ever since... Saki said: "I guess if Maria had never been born, many people could have been spared.".

DAT FORESHADOWING. Guess it all makes sense now.

HOLY SHIT!

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What was with the naked lady with the huge knockers flying out of that dudes eyeball?

Death feedback I think...

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Maybe the director of this series doesn't like an opposite sex relationship? :/
Before, they showed us some scenes of Shun and Satoru kissing.. Saki and Maria too..
But when it comes to Saki and Satoru? there was none! ><

+1
Mar 27, 2013 6:50 PM
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Damn, Maria and Mamoru are dead already... I liked her... Him, not so much, but still. That ending scene made me cry, this show needs to stop making me cry .____. I think her death saddens me so much because she and Saki were SO freaking perfect together, like, the most beautiful couple ever. <3 Damn.

Ahem, moving on... Should I comment about how badass Shisei was in this episode? Really. He is quite the handsome also.... Ah, what is the deal with his eyes? I didn't get it. Lastly, I still want at least one kissing scene between Saki and Satoru. Just one...
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Damn they're really dead... that's rather sad, I wished to see them reappear again with a happy reunion! But ow damn that masked man, his eye's sure are interesting two iris in one! That's sick and what power he holds!

Great power but sad to know the information! But still awesome character and story development!
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Really sad that they are already dead.
Shit seems to be getting really serious now, but I suppose it is to be expected... the way the humans treated the Bakenezumi could only lead to rebellion at a certain point.
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Apr 20, 2013 10:33 PM

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Damn, good episode! Crazy battle.
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One of the best episodes so far.

Surprise attack (good strategy btw) after the annihiliation of the Giant Hornet colony (or just the army?) with the aid of (possibly) a human (which could be the other two).

Shisei Kaburagi was fucking badass. Especially him absorbing the blast and releasing it back at them.

We didn't really know the big guy, but I still feel sad for him :/ What the heck was up with that eye-lazor?

I don't think Maria and Mamoru are dead. And was that foreshadowing them having a child now? It could be at most 11 if I count it right.
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Queerats really used terror tacticts. What happen to the group that went to annihilate them i wonder. Also it's quite clear cantus power was used to destroy Giant Hornet colonies. So who is the human helping them. Is Maria and Mamoru really dead?
If not then how did Yakomaru managed to pull such a trick that will even fool a DNA test?

I was thinking about Maria's bones and such. If both of their friends are really dead could it be that Maria left a child that Yakomaru raised? Then Saki's words about Maria could still be true. Could they have used Maria in the same way they used their mother queen? Then they will have a cantus user they raised.


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Why did that light come out of the bald guys eyes when he was dying and who was the women that came out of the light?


My guess is that this has something to do about the mysterious question on where all that energy they use for cantus comes since food doesn't seem to be enough except if each of them ate as much as 100 people.
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