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Yeah, sorry about that and sorry for being rude. I get why you thought that. It's just that I usually don't like it when people say negatives about other people all the time when they aren't them. I.e. talking negatives about females when they're male, and talking negatives about LGBT when they're aren't them, etc. I don't find it that bad the other way around though, since for the majority of history, the other side was deemed "better" and "more normal" than the "negative" side. It also kinda makes me sad because there was a time when females were actually seen as "half-human" or not human at all just because they didn't have an actual dick. I don't know if the 16th century was when this happened, but I know it was definitely before the 21st century. EDIT (literally 6 hours later, didn't want to make a new post): mlala said: joexmdq said: So men opinions can't be taken into account because they doesn't fit yours, ok then ¯_(ツ)_/¯ He obviously meant "people complaining about [struggle] being overstated are those who have never experienced that [struggle], how unsurprising". Just saw this now and exactly, thank you for that. Though I guess I should have stated it less aggressively. |
jd2001zApr 13, 2020 2:34 AM
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| I have mixed emotion. This anime has this thing that made me put on my "realistic" hat. Maybe because I like history. I maybe in the wrong but this doesn't look like it was written by a woman. The challenges that Arte faced come from none-existence to imposible for a human. In this episode for example: a woman in a cart is really NOT that big of a deal. Woman have to do hard work since the beggining but it was mostly domestic so "dOenS'T cOUNt aS job" And we can agree that the less money you have the more hard work you are going to do. The problem with her dress is that is too long (because she is a rich girl who doesn't need to do hard work), Just a little inches up and you can work as a normal woman without being "ScAndalOus" (btw i'm not sure women did wear those drawers as underwear that early en century, plz correct me) And she should know how to sew. On the other hand. A Human without previous training just simply injured themselves from the efford on the first try. wouldn't they? And I get the "your a girl" is something that happened, But it's in a simplystic way that made the struggle of a woman look dumb, Like women could not do all those things because neither of them really tried like Arte (who just happends to have super powers apparently. It's ignoring all the obstacles in the system. |
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| im liking the series, especially our heroine Arte, definitely a waifu material! |
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| My back aches from all the heavy lifting lol, someone get our girl a back brace. I can't wait for the next ep. |
| It would've been funny if one of the sisters had thrown something at the brother after he told them to do it themselves lol. Anyway, I didn't like this as much as the first ep, mostly because it sorta feels off how much they emphasized the sexism at the start, but I still liked it overall. The new guy seems like a simp nice and it's good that he's changing (hopefully so that he can be less sexist too). He's prob going to be the love interest but who knows (besides manga readers of course). I also get the impression that Leo isn't supposed to be the literal Da Vinci. Anyway, good episode and I think this will end up being a nice watch this season. 3.5/5 |
TheFlyingOrangeApr 12, 2020 10:40 PM
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| From the PVs, as mentioned above, this anime series did not particularly inspire me and even looking at the "classification" to which it referred, they did not encourage me much, but on closer inspection, after a very funny, nice and serious first episode of Basically, the narrative has not now denied its serious yet non-boring tone, which makes the story intriguing for the feminist aspects, so far succeeding particularly well. Finally, the anime is appreciated despite being markedly formal to the Japanese linguistic criteria and customs. in light of all this, I believe it has more than well passed the test of the nine this anime. |
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| This was a good episode, I like this show so far. Sometimes it is good to keep things simple. What I really like about this show is how nice all the characters are. Even after facing all this discrimination, Arte doesn't grow resentful and hateful, she just keeps moving forward and accepting everything with a smile. Angelo and Leo are also very nice and respectful of her in their own way. Even the background characters who are initially pretty mean to Arte due to their prejudice, actually start respecting her after seeing her determination. I know this show is not going to win any awards for innovation or quality, but it doesn't matter. It's just a refreshing change of pace between all the tsundere antics you see in a lot of shows nowadays. |
| Arte is such a charming character! I'm loving this so far |
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| I get the feminism thing and not being fair cause she was a girl but the presentation was so so simplistic that even a 3 year old could've done and other scenarios around it such as her carrying the bags felt so unrealistic, i've tried carrying 50kg bags of flour, yes i could carry them but 4-5 steps i had to drop them and the strain on your biceps carried on for the next 3-4 days. Also little to no concentration on the art, which is supposed to be the theme of the whole show. All in all they're losing direction. |
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| Just a comment: IT DOES NOT TAKES TWO MAN TO CARRY THOSE BAGS Just one is enough. Also, you don't need to be a "man", you just need to have the strength to carry the bad. Arte have the strength, she can carry those bags. The reason why was two apprentices carrying those bags was... BECAUSE THIS WAY IS EASIER. They are there working together the whole day, it's only natural that they will work together to get the job done, share the burdens. Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER.  Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality.  Where's all her optimism and energy? This is just a bad adaptation. They rushed Angelo introduction jumping from chapter 2 to chapter 8 and the way he talks with his sisters in the end of the episode is infuriating.  Incredible sad waste of good material. |
PaninaManinaApr 13, 2020 4:15 PM
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| I like Leo's character; his impartial treatment is truly ahead of his time. By the same token, though, I like Danilo; I think he's a representation of his time without being a blatantly archetypal 2D character with the personality and mental capacity of wet carboard. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| Pretty calm episode again, pleasant to watch tbh |
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PaninaManina said: Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER. Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality. This is just a bad adaptation. I just wanted to say thanks for showing off that portion of the manga. While I questioned her handling all the bags without showing more signs of strain, the latter portion of that page clearly shows that she did indeed have more athletic ability then the anime cared to admit. If they did show that, I think that there would have been less of a reaction to it. You're right about this being a poor adaptation. |
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PaninaManina said: Just a comment: IT DOES NOT TAKES TWO MAN TO CARRY THOSE BAGS Just one is enough. Also, you don't need to be a "man", you just need to have the strength to carry the bad. Arte have the strength, she can carry those bags. The reason why was two apprentices carrying those bags was... BECAUSE THIS WAY IS EASIER. They are there working together the whole day, it's only natural that they will work together to get the job done, share the burdens. Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER. Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality. Where's all her optimism and energy? This is just a bad adaptation. They rushed Angelo introduction jumping from chapter 2 to chapter 8 and the way he talks with his sisters in the end of the episode is infuriating. Incredible sad waste of good material. While I agree that the adaptation is lacking I think it's extremely useful and fun to read so many people saying in this thread : "she shouldn't be able to carry the bags". They just assume "because she is a woman from the nobility" that she has no training and no physical ability. Why ? Prejudice of course! And it becomes even more funny when you read after this that the anime is too obvious with the "because she is a woman" sentence. So many people are making fools of themselves in this thread, or let say, the prejudices of the firsts are completely countering the assumptions of the latters. It's like people criticizing this anime are destroying each others' argumentation naturally. BEAUTIFUL !!! |
Mystic_Writer said: I just wanted to say thanks for showing off that portion of the manga. While I questioned her handling all the bags without showing more signs of strain, the latter portion of that page clearly shows that she did indeed have more athletic ability then the anime cared to admit. If they did show that, I think that there would have been less of a reaction to it. You're right about this being a poor adaptation. Ysad_Ziwezhan said: While I agree that the adaptation is lacking I think it's extremely useful and fun to read so many people saying in this thread : "she shouldn't be able to carry the bags". They just assume "because she is a woman from the nobility" that she has no training and no physical ability. Why ? Prejudice of course! And it becomes even more funny when you read after this that the anime is too obvious with the "because she is a woman" sentence. So many people are making fools of themselves in this thread, or let say, the prejudices of the firsts are completely countering the assumptions of the latters. It's like people criticizing this anime are destroying each others' argumentation naturally. BEAUTIFUL !!! I also agree that Arte probably is and probably will be weaker than the average working man, but this is different from saying that she is weak. Weaker, yes, but not just weak, just because she is a woman. Specially because she is a woman, because women had to do a lot of manual work every day that made their bodies strong. This is less common for a woman of the nobility, but like the manga explains not in Arte's case. And I can't stress this enough, this episode rushed Angelo's introduction jumping from episode 2 to episode 8. (by the way, remember when Arte fell from the stairs in the beginning of the episode? That was made up to make she looks even more weak and clumsy) The anime prioritized Angelo's introduction over the City, The People, The Guild, Arte herself and Leo! By the time Arte steps into Danilo's workshop some 8 months already passed since she because apprentice! An OFFICIAL apprentice of Leo's, a guild member, and not the Guild don’t know what to make of it, if she is even allowed to be a guild member and be considered an official apprentice because they have no precedent. That’s why Arte tries to force her way into Danilo’s workshop, she wants to be part of that world, have access to the ateliers. The majority are against for a number of reasons, obviously, but the fact that they heard she comes from a noble family goes against her because this also makes they believe it’s just a fad of a feeble child. In this episode she manages to prove to Danilo that, yes, she is serious about being an painter/artisan, and that she has the physical strength and endurance required from the work. And here I sai, that Arte is not "ACCEPTED", she is "RESPECTED". THE ANIME IS MISSING THE POINT. Before Angelo's proper introduction there's a woman, a whole arc with a woman, a courtesan named Veronica. Arte disagrees with her work, but she learns to respect her. This "respect theme"" is stronger than anime "woman can do feminism theme", it's present on a number os ways. Arte interacts with people of various professions and comes to respect all of them, their works. There's a chapter where Arte almost starts a fight on the street because she watched some people disrespect a baker's work. |
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Ysad_Ziwezhan said: PaninaManina said: Just a comment: IT DOES NOT TAKES TWO MAN TO CARRY THOSE BAGS Just one is enough. Also, you don't need to be a "man", you just need to have the strength to carry the bad. Arte have the strength, she can carry those bags. The reason why was two apprentices carrying those bags was... BECAUSE THIS WAY IS EASIER. They are there working together the whole day, it's only natural that they will work together to get the job done, share the burdens. Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER. Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality. Where's all her optimism and energy? This is just a bad adaptation. They rushed Angelo introduction jumping from chapter 2 to chapter 8 and the way he talks with his sisters in the end of the episode is infuriating. Incredible sad waste of good material. While I agree that the adaptation is lacking I think it's extremely useful and fun to read so many people saying in this thread : "she shouldn't be able to carry the bags". They just assume "because she is a woman from the nobility" that she has no training and no physical ability. Why ? Prejudice of course! And it becomes even more funny when you read after this that the anime is too obvious with the "because she is a woman" sentence. So many people are making fools of themselves in this thread, or let say, the prejudices of the firsts are completely countering the assumptions of the latters. It's like people criticizing this anime are destroying each others' argumentation naturally. BEAUTIFUL !!! If people are prejudiced, why they would watch an anime where the main character is a female? It doesn't make any sense. This is not about prejudice. It's about unrealistic situations in 16 century. And doing pull-ups is one of them. The only funny thing here it's seeing you making assumptions of people you don't even know. |
| i am gonna drop this . bc author always throwing to our face what he wants say. art should be behind the scenes this anime is not art. it is good for education in schools |
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PastFuturist said: This. Even if her family was not powerful, even if she had no distant powerful relatives, even if she was so ugly that you were sure that she'd never marry into a powerful family, even if her family didn't know anybody who could bring in (or squash) jobs, even if all that was true, the nobility would not indefinitely tolerate commoners bullying a member of the nobility. How random people knows if a random person is from the minor nobility? Can you answer how? |
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| 5/5 Episode Arte is off the bat such an amazing character I also like this new guy Parker. I'd ship them but Arte doesn't have time for relationships she's boutta become Leonardo Da Vinci :D. |
KawaiiAoi-chan said: Somehow Arte reminds me of Kobato Kobato from what? |
| This show's ranked so low right off the bat how upsetting. |
TyDrian said: This show's ranked so low right off the bat how upsetting. Read the thread and you'll understand why. |
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| That's so nice!!! Arte must be the role model for all girls out there! I like Angelo! He's very nice guy! I agree with Arte though, you won't learn life if it's always good and easy things.. living life in hard way is much better because you learn more. |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
| the things i don't like in this ep is: - angelo's kindness is being rejected by arte.. - because arte, angelo starts to not helping her sister anymore, or something like that.. the only thing i like in this episode: - when arte trying to lifting the bag, she got a nice "hnnggh" pose and voice (seems like taking a pup.. dirty aren't i?) XD PaninaManina said: Just a comment: IT DOES NOT TAKES TWO MAN TO CARRY THOSE BAGS Just one is enough. Also, you don't need to be a "man", you just need to have the strength to carry the bad. Arte have the strength, she can carry those bags. The reason why was two apprentices carrying those bags was... BECAUSE THIS WAY IS EASIER. They are there working together the whole day, it's only natural that they will work together to get the job done, share the burdens. Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER. Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality. Where's all her optimism and energy? This is just a bad adaptation. They rushed Angelo introduction jumping from chapter 2 to chapter 8 and the way he talks with his sisters in the end of the episode is infuriating. Incredible sad waste of good material. now i know why arte can lift that bag.. thanks for your information... looks like the manga is better than the anime... well.. for the anime: the animation is not bad.. but it seems this one isn't fit into my taste after 2 eps.. looks like i should drop this anime for now... thank you for filling my time, "Arte" m( _ _ )m |
| This isn't high entertainment, it feels very much like a simplified anime version of this historical art story with ample artistic liberties taken to make the story simpler and the characters' circumstances/motivations simplified, but it's definitely an enjoyable anime. This episode was legitimately inspiring. I love its affirmative worldview that learning to do things for yourself is rewarding and makes you feel like you're growing as a person because of it. This show makes me want to learn a new craft, and just enjoy that thrill of learning to do something new. I wouldn't say that this is one of my favorite shows of the season, but I'm still enjoying the heck out of it! |
PaninaManina said: Just a comment: IT DOES NOT TAKES TWO MAN TO CARRY THOSE BAGS Just one is enough. Also, you don't need to be a "man", you just need to have the strength to carry the bad. Arte have the strength, she can carry those bags. The reason why was two apprentices carrying those bags was... BECAUSE THIS WAY IS EASIER. They are there working together the whole day, it's only natural that they will work together to get the job done, share the burdens. Now, said that, one of the things that they changed that annoys is is that THEY MADE ARTE WEAKER. Arte didn't had a sudden transformation the day she decided to leave her house, she was already working for hear goal long before that. But in the anime she suffered a transformation in her personality. Where's all her optimism and energy? This is just a bad adaptation. They rushed Angelo introduction jumping from chapter 2 to chapter 8 and the way he talks with his sisters in the end of the episode is infuriating. Incredible sad waste of good material. Came back here to see the new tea and WTF. I really like this anime so far, but it seems that it's really a bad adaptation to the manga. If they properly adapted the parts that you've shown, the anime would be a LOT better. Thank you for showing this. I'll definitely read the manga once the anime is over (or maybe in between to see if other parts will be badly adapted). |
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| Great episode. Seeing Arte's determination is so inspiring. Angelo has so many sisters. No wonder he is so nice to all girls. |
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| With this episode, Arte begins her new artisan journey, still being a treacherous one. The stance of women living out in men's world is still strong, but Arte's not gonna give up after bearing so much criticism. Arte meeting Angelo, another artisan (but more of being an assistant like her), and not necessarily a womanizer, he's just nice and being very spirited for a young man of his age. His family though, a little overbearing for sisters. Arte's determination knows no bounds, breaking the offensive against her first taskjob of painting for people, and going all-out to achieve her goals. A great episode honestly despite the shuffled adaptation. |
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Zee530 said: ]I get the feminism thing and not being fair cause she was a girl but the presentation was so so simplistic that even a 3 year old could've done and other scenarios around it such as her carrying the bags felt so unrealistic, i've tried carrying 50kg bags of flour, yes i could carry them but 4-5 steps i had to drop them and the strain on your biceps carried on for the next 3-4 days. Also little to no concentration on the art, which is supposed to be the theme of the whole show. All in all they're losing direction. This makes it more believable I guess and apprently the anime is portraying her weaker before hand |
| The italian setting was more prominent in this ep, I liked it ! Florence is one of my favorite cities so it makes me happy to see it. But I don't know why, there's really something lacking in this anime compared to the manga. I don't feel like anything particular has been added but I don't know, the characters' reactions didn't feel as forced as far as I recall... And I really have a hard time with the chara designs. They look so generic compared to the manga. It's especially true for Angelo, I feel like there's some of his charm missing here, his voice is also not the one I was expecting, but well, it's still pretty good. |
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PaninaManina said: Very disappointing, not just technically, but mostly how they changed even the little things and threw away everything that made the manga good! What the hell happened?! This is very sad, I'm a great fan of the manga, but this adaptation I can't recommend. And having Wave and Yesterday adapted with such incredible quality in the same season just makes me even more bitter. Oh, so I'm not the only one thinking this ! Since I didn't read the manga in a long time, I thought I just couldn't remember well, but there's really something different that makes the manga so much better than the anime... I can't really put my finger on it though. |
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DaGrigo said: Teodrik said: It's great anime, but for the God's sake Japan it's about Renaissance Italy touching someone's hand wasn't accident, they could accidentally sleep togheter at those times. Yeah, I mean, I'm liking this anime but as an Italian myself this feels WAAAAAY too much Japanese. It really chips away from my enjoyement of the series, the author went a long way to depict historical facts about living in Florence during the Renaissance and then put Japanese people in there, it's just not good writing at this point. Things like bowing should been a given, Arte does it a lot and it just screams WRONG. She also does it right during the episode at a certain point (holding her dress and kneeling a little) which makes me ask why the hell she does it the japanese way in every other occasion. I'm really hoping it gets better later on, this stuff kind of breaks the immersion for me. I feel this. I'm European too and I'm just like...why even is someone in Italy named 'Parker' but OK...it's a nice anime but I really have to ignore that it's not very realistic (I mean, I didn't see the Anime/Manga ever say that it wanted to be realistic or anything so it's OK) I kinda see it as some imagined version of Italy lol |
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| I like Arte, she's a true feminist that just wants her hard word to be acknowledged regardless of gender. |
| Oh my god how could they make it even cuter!!!?!?!?!?!?!?! Arte is so adorable! And dam, when she was picking those bags up I was rooting for her like I was with All Might versing All for One XD. This made me root for something like a shounen anime would. Its really doing this underdog story well. Not like Smile down the runway where they're shitting on the characters every five seconds. But OMG, I want to see romance between Leo and Arte!!! I loved it so much when he patted her on the head for doing a good job and when she talked about him not judging her for being a woman. I love Leo and I love Arte and I REALLY want to see them together. I was really worried that new boy would be the love interest but this reassured me a bit that its most likely Leo cause he's just such a man. (Then Im just reading this thread like, "Ok yeah, there was differences between the manga, which I have not read, but this was top quality content. Its so cute and nice!" Just typical manga to anime fans things lol) |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Arte is what a true independent women is supposed to be |
| This is so bland, one can appreciate the whole female empowerment theme but it is a shame that is depicted in the classic shounen hero way. |
| Oh, wow, Arte, great work, there! I can't even do that reparation alone. Even i can't bring that ten pile of sacks alone, damn its hard, man. Fuck me, i am so weak, as a man, compared to whatever damn side job Arte do. These episode really served as a self motivation to improved my life better, really great to knowing that. Ah, who's there young blonde guy? Angelo Parker? It seems understandable with his acted to help Arte. A coincidence. No, its a fate. Yet, Arte could bring an improvement to his life as well, to teach his sister to get a life better, alone. Well, her interaction with Arte kinda felt nice. Such an unfortunate he can't understand Arte's feeling for not being discriminate. How could he know since his sister along do a reverse usual action as a woman? Interesting relations, to be honest. A bit predictable while he viewed Arte more than any woman he helped all that time. Its seems fishy. I hope that thing nothing more to happen soon, and considering it as a side plot, really. Even, he can't stand a chance cause Arte really attached her feeling to that Leo-san. Hmm, what was i said? Okay, forget it. I just need to seen the development of Arte's dream. Her goal was to be the great artist, right? Okay, thats my focus, really. So, lets see how shit was going far to tribute the main idea... Nice story so far tbh. Its easy to understand. The OST for OP was pretty catchy in my ears, its served nice to the feeling of Arte. Not much for the ED soundtrack, tbh. But its well enough to served as the closurement of every episode. The whole gender discrimination served really well done as a great moral lesson to the story. Its well-written, yet, the storyline flawness might a bit exaggerating on these episode. Like, wtf, Arte, you are too strong, woman, really! Thats whole thing, somehow, too unrealistic. Idk if that thing really happen on the real world, nowaday world. The shit really irritating to saw, its too fast pace to recognize it as a development toward Arte's ability and strength. So, thats it. I hope, soon, i could actually see something more actual to the artist lesson. No more shitness about the whole Arte's crazy side job. I guess the next episode will fulfill my hope here, so let just see it. |
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| Those man really underestimate the great lengths Arte is willing to do things to reach her goal Kinda ship the Angelo guy and Arte, good thing Angelo slowly understands that Woman can do things on their own |
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| Yoo this Angelo dude is pissing me off. |
| The boy is growing. He was tired of their shit but was afraid to admit it. Arte gave him new understanding in life, lmao. |
| This episode really laid it on thick, so I'll just get this out of the way. While I'm rooting for Arte & feel for her, this is yet another classic example of how the exception proves the rule. Arte is exceptional and shouldn't be limited based on being a girl. That said, she's not an average representation of girls in her society. One should also keep in mind that she's barely 15. If she were pursuing a job in 21st century America, she'd get shot down just for not being 16. With all of that out of the way, Arte's determination is contagious and I'm finding myself encouraged by her remarkable will. The whole bit with Angelo & his sisters was a nice touch as well. I especially like how the boss who was initially lambasting Arte even came to respect her. I hope that settles it for the whole "Girls can do it too" and the focus shifts back to the SOL elements. |
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