Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| Subaru's seiyuu is amazing. This lap scene was very emotional and realistic. It's good to know that Emilia can help him. I loved this episode Great job, it was a beautiful episode. |
Sure it was. When he was in front of the cause. Should've shown that scene. Don't remember it well. Sure, but he feeling shaken for a moment doesn't invalidates every of his moments. He can't deny that facts have occurred. But that doesn't means that he has to keep thinking about them all the time - which would then, equal to ignoring. How is the scene at the store related? His mental state? Anything he could've been worried about at the time was another thing entirely. You can see he gets a bit sad after seeing the couple walking outside. Giving us clues that he might feel very lonely with his current life. He might live alone, but he's still a high school student. He is not completely isolated from the world My comment regarding his life before is just speculation on my part, but it is definitely a personality he could've developed as a coping mechanism. Just because he doesn't act the same way around the clerk, does not devalue my argument. It's obvious, to me, that he is someone who wants to be liked, which is why he has developed such a happy and jokey personality. When was it said that he was studying? All I heard is that he was playing video games all day... I didn't see it being told that it wasn't school time. That should be his actual personality, not one developed for him to 'cope'. It's just that he having no friends, has no opportunity to make use of it. And who doesn't wants to be liked? That person wouldn't be human. Someone doesn't have to develop a 'happy and jokey' personality for that. All they've to do is become someone that another would be able to count on. The incidents are getting in the way of his enjoyment. He's trying to make everything work, but he keeps getting back at square one. That is why he breaks. Of course he'll enjoy all the small moments, but all the resets are slowly getting to him as well. Culminating in ep 7 and 8 for now. No they weren't getting in the way of his enjoyment at all... He didn't break simply because of that. It was the occurrence that I've shown. He was reminded of the fear he felt of the dark hand, lost his confidence in fighting, and became cornered - without leads. He then succumbed to stress, that was built up by despair. The 'small moments' are bigger than what you seem to think. How do you think he keeps his morale high, like I said? Those good moments were outweighing the bad ones, most of the time. I think you are misunderstanding what we're saying when we say he's using a façade. We're not calling his personality fake. He is just hiding all his pent up emotions. A façade he breaks when he cries in Emilia's lap in the latest episode. A façade is a wall you show your friends while hiding the negative emotions behind it. The "wall" is still going to be a part of you, but you're hiding the hole picture. You seem to be agreeing with us, but we're arguing about semantics. What I mean is simple: those worries aren't in his mind all the time. They're placed on the side, as to not get in his way. This being the case, there'd be no need for him to put up a façade. He isn't thinking about them all the time. He doesn't have to conceal what isn't in front of him, disturbing him. He worries when it's time to. Didn't you see he alone, in his bed? He was normal. Talking to himself, like a loner would... Reviewing his thoughts; even there, by himself, he was normal. Again, if he were feeling so worried all the time, he'd not be able to hide it. What do you expect him to be? He's no actor. Instead, what I see is him relaxing, lying on the grass (or bed - you get it.) When you say that he's hiding them, it implies that he's thinking about them - which he isn't. He only felt the need to go that far into his acting, a.k.a façade (which was more like paranoia), when he had lost hope. When he fell into despair. This hadn't happened before. It wasn't needed before. He wasn't so worried about suspicion as he became then. When Emilia is in front of him, what do you think'll have more of an effect on him? Something he isn't currently experiencing, or something that he is? He's paying attention to her. Not to unpleasant, past events. There's...no wall. If there ever was, it was built almost instantly, in episode 8. The bad experiences were only bricks before then. EDIT: These metaphors... Bad experiences = Reasons to. |
removed-userMay 26, 2016 8:30 PM
| The first five chapters of the manga with the third arc were translated into English and published by OTS today. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| Well, things went downhill quick. Hopefully this was the only episode Subaru acts like that, it ruined everything. And all that made it right was... a lap pillow? Get real, she's just another girl that's glorified as a divine being for some reason. 3/5 |
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| Emilia is too sweet <3 |
iRels said: You sentence structure is really fragmented and hard to follow. You should try to write more cohesive paragraphs, it would make it easier to understand you. Your understanding of what a façade is and how people might use one seems a bit limited to me. You're also putting a lot of words in my mouth and making weird assumptions I never even implied. You've done this with other people you've discussed with in these threads. It's a tad bit frustrating. You're even repeating what I've said, but with different words, going in circles. "The 'small moments' are bigger than what you seem to think. How do you think he keeps his morale high, like I said? Those good moments were outweighing the bad ones, most of the time." This is exactly what I'm trying to say, but you aren't Even trying to acknowledge that. Read the summary of the show. He is a high school student. Honestly, I find some of your views awfully simplistic. I think we can only agree to disagree on most of this. |
Ninjasander said: iRels said: You sentence structure is really fragmented and hard to follow. You should try to write more cohesive paragraphs, it would make it easier to understand you. Your understanding of what a façade is and how people might use one seems a bit limited to me. You're also putting a lot of words in my mouth and making weird assumptions I never even implied. You've done this with other people you've discussed with in these threads. It's a tad bit frustrating. You're even repeating what I've said, but with different words, going in circles. "The 'small moments' are bigger than what you seem to think. How do you think he keeps his morale high, like I said? Those good moments were outweighing the bad ones, most of the time." This is exactly what I'm trying to say, but you aren't Even trying to acknowledge that. Read the summary of the show. He is a high school student. Honestly, I find some of your views awfully simplistic. I think we can only agree to disagree on most of this. As you've told me everything I had already considered, I might've not felt very motivated to make it more well-structured. That's how I act, it seems. More to amuse myself... And I didn't find it very amusing to repeat everything. Simply, all you guys are telling me is that he's an actor. When he isn't. "overly happy personality of his was merely an act to cope with the traumatizing experiences." Like I said, don't we think this because we're not feeling as excited as he is? Not close to how excited he is. What has been said in this, is that he's exaggerating. That he's not believable. But how can we know? I believe in what's in front of me. And Subaru's not shown worried even alone. That's enough proof. Subaru's not forcing an 'outward appearance'. If he tried to, it'd appear on his face. He was instead, feeling easily unaffected by the past events. And isn't it only to Emilia that he tries to act more composed? But most of the time, he doesn't have to even try to, as he's already. While with Beatrice he's all open. He might even feel the need to open himself more to her, as to increase his chances of getting help from. Even so, he's shown to be quite relaxed... He relieves his stress by confessing to her, it appears. He can practically tell everything to her except for the 'Return by Death'. He appears truer there than everywhere else. She's his mental support. He is shaken by the bad experiences, but gets over it later. Aren't you people underestimating human's capabilities to adapt? He might be getting used to all of it. (If I were in his place I'd find it all quite exciting... when I think about it.) It's really incredible, isn't it? How someone as naive as him is enduring all that's been thrown at him. And it's not their fault, but his, for getting involved in all of it. (When I see someone like Roswaal, I believe that he's gone through much more unpleasant experiences than Subaru. He appears much more developed. And guess what? He overcame them. Subaru's still too much an easy prey, as he's too inexperienced... Even so, he still endures.) I don't really think the author's intention is to prove Subaru that the world he's in is worse than his previous one. That'd be too cliché. And by doing so, he'd be proving him that not even someone as impressive as Emilia, is enough to compensate for his unpleasant experiences (which should be unwanted). What I see instead is that she's being more than enough. The show I'd see then as no better than 'The Twelve Kingdoms'. There it was simply too obvious. I felt the need to drop it, as I was seen to be be forced a lesson I hadn't asked for, nor that I was unaware of. |
removed-userMay 26, 2016 8:32 PM
| Once again, you're putting words in other people's mouths. Also, I am not speaking on the behalf of everyone else, only myself. Your view of things is one-sided, and you discard every other possibility. What you're saying is just one part of Subaru. There's more layers to this than you're using to explain it. You are currently using your own opinions as fact to counter other people's opinions. This is not how you base an argument. No one's assumptions are going to be correct until the show outright confirms them. I can see that you have a lot of opinions on this, but that's no reason to discard everyone else's. You have to consider that what you think just paints a small part of the picture we are all collaborating on. Saying that you've already heard everything I've said, so you pay me no respect, is simply disrespectful. Especially when I've barely even written my thoughts because you keep making assumptions about what my own opinions are. See, you bring up a lot of good points, but not everything you say is an universal truth. EDIT: If you still feel the need to discuss this, send me a PM. Let's keep the forum clean |
| ...The only complaint I have is double posting and general hard-to-read feels. Now I dunno what the argument is right now, but while I agree Subaru is dying due to incompetence and lack of knowledge of the world, the general issue that the situations around him aren't too favorable to him may also have to do with it (after all, the whole deal with the shaman, running into the 3 stooges constantly, and whatnot). |
hailanth said: ...The only complaint I have is double posting and general hard-to-read feels. Now I dunno what the argument is right now, but while I agree Subaru is dying due to incompetence and lack of knowledge of the world, the general issue that the situations around him aren't too favorable to him may also have to do with it (after all, the whole deal with the shaman, running into the 3 stooges constantly, and whatnot). None of his death have been through incompetence though. Lack of knowledge sure (which why his been investigating about them in the first place), but otherwise they have either come out of nowhere (like the 1st loop) or when he was expecting/planning it to happen (2nd and 3rd). |
Iron_MawMay 27, 2016 1:01 AM
| @Jagd84 Many of them were through incompetence. He not handling the thugs well, resulted in his death. He adventuring in that fantasy world, wandering in the slums, then dying by surprise at Elsa's hands, was due to his incompetence. What he did was basically wander alone, far from town, in a foreign world. This isn't wise unless you're feeling confident about yourself - i.e, competent. Before he entered that storehouse, he made sure to Emilia that she could count on him. Before that, he had already experienced violence. He had already saw a magician casting dangerous magic. Even after that, he still thought that the situation he was getting involved with, was something he could handle. In fighting capabilities (and such), he's, by Ram's words:  Subaru's basically getting involved in situations like that of the game Baldur's Gate, where it's required that you possess some kind of fighting skill, when practically having none. He took the fantasy world too lightly. |
| I may be called a douche bag, but I really hate Rem and Ram. Due to the fact of continuously killing the MC, while he is trying his hardest to save them. It feels like both of them are flipping the bird towards him. |
Jagd84 said: hailanth said: ...The only complaint I have is double posting and general hard-to-read feels. Now I dunno what the argument is right now, but while I agree Subaru is dying due to incompetence and lack of knowledge of the world, the general issue that the situations around him aren't too favorable to him may also have to do with it (after all, the whole deal with the shaman, running into the 3 stooges constantly, and whatnot). None of his death have been through incompetence though. Lack of knowledge sure (which why his been investigating about them in the first place), but otherwise they have either come out of nowhere (like the 1st loop) or when he was expecting/planning it to happen (2nd and 3rd). I meant incompetence as in a general lack of ability. He doesn't quite have top tier fighting skills or magic like many other mary sue protagonists (which is exactly why I like Subaru, he's more normal). Although yes, incompetence is probably not the best wording. |
| Aww Emilia was so cute near the end, heh double date for Subaru :I |
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| Welp can't wait to see how this arc ends.. :D |
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hailanth said: Jagd84 said: None of his death have been through incompetence though. Lack of knowledge sure (which why his been investigating about them in the first place), but otherwise they have either come out of nowhere (like the 1st loop) or when he was expecting/planning it to happen (2nd and 3rd). I meant incompetence as in a general lack of ability. He doesn't quite have top tier fighting skills or magic like many other mary sue protagonists (which is exactly why I like Subaru, he's more normal). Although yes, incompetence is probably not the best wording. Ah, okay I see. I thought you meant as him making mistakes or not planning ahead. And @iRelis Most of Subaru's screw ups have coming from inexperience and not him being inept. Here is the rest of Ram says about that isn't in the anime: |
Iron_MawMay 27, 2016 8:42 AM
| Episode 9 PV is up on youtube WTF Rem >_> ? |
FodshelloMay 27, 2016 8:50 AM
| @Fodshello We have dedicated thread for preview discussion :-) |
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oo sorry i didn't pay attention :3 should i delete it ? |
| What for? More people will learn about preview discussion thread :-) |
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Jagd84 said: hailanth said: I meant incompetence as in a general lack of ability. He doesn't quite have top tier fighting skills or magic like many other mary sue protagonists (which is exactly why I like Subaru, he's more normal). Although yes, incompetence is probably not the best wording. Ah, okay I see. I thought you meant as him making mistakes or not planning ahead. And @iRelis Most of Subaru's screw ups have coming from inexperience and not him being inept. Here is the rest of Ram says about that isn't in the anime: Wow... I'm speechless. So in the manga THAT'S how that scene was conveyed...? Yeah, but the world he's in is too dangerous. Lemme think... Yeah. Using that game - Baldur's Gate as reference, it's as if Subaru was a character created with charisma as his highest stat. It'd then be at 13 or so. While the rest of his stats would be below 10. When the maximum would be 20. Not only but he'd have no weapon expertise. A goblin would then be enough to finish him off... Eh. (Felt should've been able to at least injure him - if not by the unrealistic moves he pulled.) But as shown, he might learn some spells in the future. Should be able to aid him. |
| I have the feeling that silver hair must be kinda rare and being half-elf too...so, maybe Emilia is actually Satella? Subaru is working really hard. |
bittersweetloveMay 27, 2016 6:31 PM
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bittersweetlove said: Beatrice used words "It is said..." which implies that no one really knows how the Witch looked liked.I have the feeling that silver hair must be kinda hard and being half-elf too...so, maybe Emilia is actually Satella? Subaru is working really hard. It's just what people believe she looked like. |
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mozgow said: bittersweetlove said: Beatrice used words "It is said..." which implies that no one really knows how the Witch looked liked.I have the feeling that silver hair must be kinda hard and being half-elf too...so, maybe Emilia is actually Satella? Subaru is working really hard. It's just what people believe she looked like. Even if some people knew, it doesn't mean absolutely everyone does. When you learn about someone branded as evil at school, you don't necessarily learn about their appearance. I have no freaking idea how Stalin looked like, but I do remember being taught shittons of people died because of him. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
| This episode is intense and heartwarming after a stressful previous episodes, this episode relieves it. I love this episode, this concludes Subaru's suffering for this arc. And yeah he deserves that cry and Emilia's lap xD I'm excited for the next episodes. |
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Tony_SansNom said: You're right, there are probably people who knows how she looked liked (so I should use different words :-)).mozgow said: Beatrice used words "It is said..." which implies that no one really knows how the Witch looked liked. It's just what people believe she looked like. Even if some people knew, it doesn't mean absolutely everyone does. When you learn about someone branded as evil at school, you don't necessarily learn about their appearance. I have no freaking idea how Stalin looked like, but I do remember being taught shittons of people died because of him. What I was referring to was the hatred and discrimination towards half-elves that is based on common believes and not historical facts. I'm not saying that the believes are wrong, but, as Beatrice described it, it wasn't written in the history books how the Witch looked liked. So, there are some people who knows the truth, but the rest only believes the Witch was a half-elf with silver-hair. |
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mozgow said: You're right, there are probably people who knows how she looked liked (so I should use different words :-)). What I was referring to was the hatred and discrimination towards half-elves that is based on common believes and not historical facts. I'm not saying that the believes are wrong, but, as Beatrice described it, it wasn't written in the history books how the Witch looked liked. So, there are some people who knows the truth, but the rest only believes the Witch was a half-elf with silver-hair. As far as I remember they go more into the reason for this "racism" in the side stories involving the other 4 kingdoms surrounding Lugnica. I'm pretty sure we won't see them animated so maybe it's ok to talk about it. |
mozgow said: Tony_SansNom said: You're right, there are probably people who knows how she looked liked (so I should use different words :-)).Even if some people knew, it doesn't mean absolutely everyone does. When you learn about someone branded as evil at school, you don't necessarily learn about their appearance. I have no freaking idea how Stalin looked like, but I do remember being taught shittons of people died because of him. What I was referring to was the hatred and discrimination towards half-elves that is based on common believes and not historical facts. I'm not saying that the believes are wrong, but, as Beatrice described it, it wasn't written in the history books how the Witch looked liked. So, there are some people who knows the truth, but the rest only believes the Witch was a half-elf with silver-hair. I see. Well, note that I don't necessarily try to refute it. (Actually, I'm also an anime viewer only so I don't know what she's really like --if it's ever told with certainty that is--). My logic is that people are told about the evil deed and all that jazz in the legends but not necessarily how she looks like because if she really has been banished, there's no need to know how she looks like, as you don't need to defend yourself or run away from her-- |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
Fappa said: Oh, so there is even more to that than the Witch? Now I'm really intrigued.mozgow said: You're right, there are probably people who knows how she looked liked (so I should use different words :-)). What I was referring to was the hatred and discrimination towards half-elves that is based on common believes and not historical facts. I'm not saying that the believes are wrong, but, as Beatrice described it, it wasn't written in the history books how the Witch looked liked. So, there are some people who knows the truth, but the rest only believes the Witch was a half-elf with silver-hair. As far as I remember they go more into the reason for this "racism" in the side stories involving the other 4 kingdoms surrounding Lugnica. I'm pretty sure we won't see them animated so maybe it's ok to talk about it. I thought that destroying half of the world was good enough for a reason to hate half-elves. So there are only two possibilities: a) the half-elves were already discriminated before the Witch destroyed half of the world, or b) something else happened after that event. Tony_SansNom said: Yes, of course (I thought it was obvious that this is the case :-)). People are told only about the dreadful event that destroyed half of the world and that it was the Witch doing. As it wasn't written how she looked liked, they made assumptions and somewhere along the way they blamed it on half-elves (with silver-hair).I see. Well, note that I don't necessarily try to refute it. (Actually, I'm also an anime viewer only so I don't know what she's really like --if it's ever told with certainty that is--). My logic is that people are told about the evil deed and all that jazz in the legends but not necessarily how she looks like because if she really has been banished, there's no need to know how she looks like, as you don't need to defend yourself or run away from her-- |
mozgowMay 27, 2016 2:24 PM
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mozgow said: Oh, so there is even more to that than the Witch? Now I'm really intrigued. I thought that destroying half of the world was good enough for a reason to hate half-elves. So there are only two possibilities: a) the half-elves were already discriminated before the Witch destroyed half of the world, or b) something else happened after that event. Yeah, there is a lot revolving around pretty much everything in this world. If the author keeps this up it will eventually turn into its own lore if that's not already the case. I'll keep it short and put it in tags because not maybe everyone wants to read that. It's no spoiler though as it doesn't really spoil anything in the future of the story |
FappaMay 27, 2016 3:15 PM
Oh damn. Sorry, it's very late :D Thanks! |
Thank you for writing this up, I really love learning about these kinds of background details. Maybe I should get around to reading the source materials, eh? |
DemonicDread said: Thank you for writing this up, I really love learning about these kinds of background details. Maybe I should get around to reading the source materials, eh? No problem! If you dive into the source material you have to be prepared for a long and complex story though. The author creates a huge world filled with details so you have to fully embrace it otherwise you may feel a bit overwhelmed by it. As eye rolling as this sounds, it's not your common novel story you rush through volume for volume just to forget most of it after two or three weeks. Once you make it past arc 3 which can be seen as the author testing you whether you're fit for his story or not, then you're absolutely fine :) |
iRels said: Razi_N said: Rather than annoyance, I felt really bad for him because he was obviously falling apart and trying to hold it all together. I was relieved when Emilia came to the rescue. I don't think that's exactly the way I see it... He seemed to be behaving that way since he appeared in the fantasy world. In the mansion what was clear to me is that he had accumulated too much stress; he then broke down in Emilia's lap. But he wasn't putting up a façade: he was really enjoying himself with Emilia and the others. To say that he was putting a façade, is to say that he was actually not - which is certainly not the case. Because, HOW could he? Except for the deaths, he's getting everything that he ever wanted. There's no way that he'd not be satisfied with it; thus, feeling happy about it. Definition of façade: "an outward appearance that is maintained to conceal a less pleasant or creditable reality." With everything repeating, coupled with him having to worry about finding out who his killer is, it then became challenging, as it normally would, to behave as joyously many other times, the way did the first few times. (But still not too much - as Emilia and the others were capable of making him feel pleased enough with their company.) But he thought that he had to. He believed that it was necessary to act normally (the way he always acted). The reason was that he didn't want to worry the residents--with troubles he considered his, only. He didn't want the 'unwanted stuff' to ruin his moments with the others, because he considered those moments too precious for him. He did it for them. After he had found out that he died to an 'assassin', he then planned to meet him in person - outside the mansion. He did so, primarly as to not endanger the residents - he sacrificed himself for them. Subaru's not...'walling himself off'; what he is doing is the opposite: completely opening himself to this new world. It's inevitable, then, that he gets hurt (getting killed thou is too much...for us - possibly not for him). So I believe that you misjudged Subaru quite a lot, dude. You've precipitated yourself. Don't you realize that the author wants him to want a female's company, such as of Emilia? (Otherwise, why'd she appear so impressive?) What seems to be happening is that he's telling Subaru that he isn't worthy, yet. And Subaru isn't giving up. Subaru deserves more credit for his acts - for all the fighting that he's doing, and will continue to do. (It just appears to me that people aren't seeing it clearly.) His belief in those characters makes him more a man than many others calling him a child - people that would, in his place, have given up much earlier. Very well-written, and I agree wholeheartedly. |
Stark700 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Episode starts with Subaru in bed and wonders about recent events but gets more emotional especially the insert song played when he is in Emilia's lap during the second half. I also really like the connection that he built with Emilia this episode. A lot of humorous moments and I find this rather funny:  Puck is just so awesome! No cliffhanger (finally), thank goodness. I like the feeling that i have no idea what's gonna happen from now on. There's a total of 25 episodes (i think). I think many plot twist are gonna come. Can't wait.. also PUCK IS CUTE! |
| I freaking love puck |
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| Good episode! Subaru's and the others relationship got better. No cliffhanger this time! |
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Ultranumbed said: Xenocrisi said: Why is this anime so good? Definitely going to watch all episodes again when they're out. The wait is horrible The wait is what makes this series more awesome. I'm so glad i'm watching it while it's still airing. Friendly reminder: It's only 8 episodes and this series has already exceeded my expectation. We haven't even reached Rem and Ram conclusion, and there are Emilia and that loli thief's mystery |
| I was dismissing this anime pretty early despite liking it so much lol. But I've really grown to love the characters. ^~^ Emilia is just so cute, especially with that lap pillow she did for Subaru. I'm guessing the arc is gonna end in the next episode or two? |
| I can't stop feeling like something is going terribly wrong (especially with his assumption that he caught that curse in the village) but if he dies another time at that place it really drags the story out which I can't really imagine to happen. At this point it looks way too easy if this actually is the way to go. Not like his first loop in which he still got his guts spilled even as he succeeded. |
| Intense lap-pillow scene. He's trying a little too hard to win them over. I enjoyed the episode, but this is going nowhere fast. |
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| Damn Subaru hyper overtalking made my ears screech! It's hard to know who is the one who's casting the curse! And I don't think Subaru's plan is enough to make the situation better or even stable... 5/5. |
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