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Jul 2, 2014 2:15 PM

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JizzyHitler said:
Wait its a harem? I thought it was only the new gender person that liked him(for absolutely no reason within probably a hour of knowing him)


It is called physical attraction. Do you need a grand reason to like someone in real life? Do they have to save you from being mugged or something?
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Botato said:
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It is a harem




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Botato said:



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PoeticJustice said:
JizzyHitler said:
Wait its a harem? I thought it was only the new gender person that liked him(for absolutely no reason within probably a hour of knowing him)


It is called physical attraction. Do you need a grand reason to like someone in real life? Do they have to save you from being mugged or something?
thats just an excuse for poor characterization. Sure its realistic for a relationship to form like that in real life, but that doesnt make it automatically ok in a storytelling format. Its realistic for extremely important people to die anticlimactically possibly from something as simple as choking on food, that wouldnt make it automatically ok for that to happen to a main character.

ssjokg said:
Who cares about age anyway?
pedophiles, they are very adamant about having a cut off date.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Jul 2, 2014 2:32 PM

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JizzyHitler said:

thats just an excuse for poor characterization. Sure its realistic for a relationship to form like that in real life, but that doesnt make it automatically ok in a storytelling format. Its realistic for extremely important people to die anticlimactically possibly from something as simple as choking on food, that wouldnt make it automatically ok for that to happen to a main character.


Why is that a poor excuse? And why wouldn't that make it ok? Does everything need to be a grand spectacle for it to be ok? As long as a relationship develops throughout the story, that is what matters. The reason is unimportant. It is all about execution. The characters are bland in Sidonia, but that was total bs.
Jul 2, 2014 2:32 PM

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the problem with Knights of Sidonia is that
Jul 2, 2014 2:46 PM

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JizzyHitler said:
thats just an excuse for poor characterization. Sure its realistic for a relationship to form like that in real life, but that doesnt make it automatically ok in a storytelling format. Its realistic for extremely important people to die anticlimactically possibly from something as simple as choking on food, that wouldnt make it automatically ok for that to happen to a main character.
There's actually instances where anti-climactic deaths can give more meaning to a scenario, albeit not as a result of choking on McDonalds or eating too many crayons. One of my favorite examples is not on your list so I'll refrain from saying the anime but I'm sure some people will understand when I say Gungi.
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How come we can rate anime after only one episode is out? Is this fair or not..?
The anime industry is dead, the otaku fanbase killed it.
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kikohunter said:
How come we can rate anime after only one episode is out? Is this fair or not..?

Fair to rate it? Sure. Impressions can change after all.
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kikohunter said:
How come we can rate anime after only one episode is out? Is this fair or not..?



If you can't judge it by then then you have crappy judgement skills.
I'm judging you right now.
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PoeticJustice said:
JizzyHitler said:

thats just an excuse for poor characterization. Sure its realistic for a relationship to form like that in real life, but that doesnt make it automatically ok in a storytelling format. Its realistic for extremely important people to die anticlimactically possibly from something as simple as choking on food, that wouldnt make it automatically ok for that to happen to a main character.


Why is that a poor excuse? And why wouldn't that make it ok? Does everything need to be a grand spectacle for it to be ok? As long as a relationship develops throughout the story, that is what matters. The reason is unimportant. It is all about execution. The characters are bland in Sidonia, but that was total bs.
I'm not saying grand scale, what im asking for is context and reasoning, WHY do they like eachother, not something as weak as "I wanna fuck that". Sure they can comment on the other being attractive but leaving that as the ONLY justification behind the relationship is weak and demeans the fact.

Ratohnhaketon said:
JizzyHitler said:
thats just an excuse for poor characterization. Sure its realistic for a relationship to form like that in real life, but that doesnt make it automatically ok in a storytelling format. Its realistic for extremely important people to die anticlimactically possibly from something as simple as choking on food, that wouldnt make it automatically ok for that to happen to a main character.
There's actually instances where anti-climactic deaths can give more meaning to a scenario, albeit not as a result of choking on McDonalds or eating too many crayons. One of my favorite examples is not on your list so I'll refrain from saying the anime but I'm sure some people will understand when I say Gungi.
I meant only in the sense of antclimatic deaths brought on by meanial things, like slips on the way down the steps, chokes on food, accidental car crash(may work in slice of lifes if done right). Anticlimatic deaths can be pretty powerful when done right, Legend of the galatic heroes had a really really REALLY powerful one where one of the characters simply passes away in his chair reflecting on all that has happened and what his existence has meant up to this point and for the future. What im trying to say is that those anticlimatic deaths over small meaningless mistakes with no bearing for the greater picture are realistic and very possible but they dont automatically get a pass because of it.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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I agree with Jizzy. The problem with 'love at first sight' in storytelling mediums is that they do not invoke any real emotional connection to the viewer, unlike a more developed/'explored' romance does.
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gedata said:
the problem with Knights of Sidonia is that

There's an explanation on why he's so badass in season two most likely.

kikohunter said:
How come we can rate anime after only one episode is out? Is this fair or not..?

I don't. But I keep track of how consistent it's been.

Botato said:
kikohunter said:


A score of 8.10 is fine for Sidonia, you're making it sound for more then what it actually is. It's underwatched not underrrated.
Should be 8.50

This.
Jul 2, 2014 3:23 PM

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cupc said:
I agree with Jizzy. The problem with 'love at first sight' in storytelling mediums is that they do not invoke any real emotional connection to the viewer, unlike a more developed/'explored' romance does.
It makes the relationships feel artificial and as a result also begins to make the characters themselves suffer, A video game called the last story has what could had been a pretty memorable main character be held back by a weak love at first sight romance that makes all his actions and motivations feel fake and as a result made the character bland and forgettable, the romance is also the main reason that game's story went to shit aswell but I'll just be getting of track.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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cupc said:
I agree with Jizzy. The problem with 'love at first sight' in storytelling mediums is that they do not invoke any real emotional connection to the viewer, unlike a more developed/'explored' romance does.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Gundam?
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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^ I thought season one of Sidonia gave the explanation why tanizake was so good.

Major spoiler...

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cupc said:
I agree with Jizzy. The problem with 'love at first sight' in storytelling mediums is that they do not invoke any real emotional connection to the viewer, unlike a more developed/'explored' romance does.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Gundam?
Oh god dont get me started on gundam romance. So far G-gundam of all things is the only one with a relationship that doesnt feel like the most artificial and half assed romantic subplot.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Koi Kaze

Just wondered if this one has ever been discussed here. Judging by the reviews it seems to fall either in the "$hit" or "masterpiece" category. I wish there was an intra-thread search function...
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Gymkata said:
Koi Kaze

Just wondered if this one has ever been discussed here. Judging by the reviews it seems to fall either in the "$hit" or "masterpiece" category. I wish there was an intra-thread search function...


From what I hear, it is the only anime that takes on the topic of incest in a serious manner (unlike Oriemo lol). I have yet to watch it myself though. Reviews, outside of MAL, have largely been positive.

Jul 2, 2014 3:43 PM

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Zeally said:
Gymkata said:
Koi Kaze

Just wondered if this one has ever been discussed here. Judging by the reviews it seems to fall either in the "$hit" or "masterpiece" category. I wish there was an intra-thread search function...


From what I hear, it is the only anime that takes on the topic of incest in a serious manner (unlike Oriemo lol). I have yet to watch it myself though. Reviews, outside of MAL, have largely been positive.


Yeah that's what I gather too. That's what made me wonder whether its rank of 1600ish was due more to the subject matter or execution. Hell, I'll try on any "serious" anime, so I'll give it a go.
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PoeticJustice said:
JizzyHitler said:
Wait its a harem? I thought it was only the new gender person that liked him(for absolutely no reason within probably a hour of knowing him)


It is called physical attraction. Do you need a grand reason to like someone in real life? Do they have to save you from being mugged or something?


It didn't happen that fast anyway.
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Sapewloth said:
cupc said:
I agree with Jizzy. The problem with 'love at first sight' in storytelling mediums is that they do not invoke any real emotional connection to the viewer, unlike a more developed/'explored' romance does.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Gundam?


Yeah Gundam loves to play that card. But because of the Gundam mecha legacy, it isn't Gundam without the good old weak romance.
Jul 2, 2014 3:54 PM

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skudoops said:
^ I thought season one of Sidonia gave the explanation why tanizake was so good.

Major spoiler...


Yeah this. The stuff in the spoiler will be revealed later so it's not like he's Kirito or Mahouka's guy sorry I can't remember his name
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Zeally said:
Gymkata said:
Koi Kaze

Just wondered if this one has ever been discussed here. Judging by the reviews it seems to fall either in the "$hit" or "masterpiece" category. I wish there was an intra-thread search function...


From what I hear, it is the only anime that takes on the topic of incest in a serious manner (unlike Oriemo lol). I have yet to watch it myself though. Reviews, outside of MAL, have largely been positive.


i think Oreimo took the matter of Incest pretty realistically though.
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cupc said:
Sapewloth said:

Why am I suddenly reminded of Gundam?


Yeah Gundam loves to play that card. But because of the Gundam mecha legacy, it isn't Gundam without the good old weak romance.
I hear even the newer ones dont fare much better.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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JizzyHitler said:
cupc said:


Yeah Gundam loves to play that card. But because of the Gundam mecha legacy, it isn't Gundam without the good old weak romance.
I hear even the newer ones dont fare much better.


They were ok in 08th MS team and Stardust.
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AzuStar said:

i think Oreimo took the matter of Incest pretty realistically though.

Yeah I agree. And their backstory and why she became cold towards him, was pretty decent.
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JizzyHitler said:
cupc said:


Yeah Gundam loves to play that card. But because of the Gundam mecha legacy, it isn't Gundam without the good old weak romance.
I hear even the newer ones dont fare much better.
I think I'm kinda used to it by now (Zeta is so fucking horrible in that department), tho. So used to it I won't even try and complain about it in any future Gundam I watch.

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They were ok in 08th MS team and Stardust.

One of the worst offenders, imho.
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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.
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skudoops said:
JizzyHitler said:
I hear even the newer ones dont fare much better.


They were ok in 08th MS team and Stardust.
MS team's romance suffered from the exact same artificially placed relationships the others did except it couldnt rely on the excuse of newtypes. Granted im less critical on MS team for this aspect because unlike the other romantic subplots forced into gundam, ms team actually used its admittidly cheap relationship for a greater use in the plot that actually excelled the series to new ground not possible without it.

Stardust actually did have a a better build up in the relationship, too bad the characters were downright inhuman and unlikable with some of the most inconsistent and illogical actions/motivations in the entire franchise. And thats REALLY saying something for gundam.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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skudoops said:
^ I thought season one of Sidonia gave the explanation why tanizake was so good.

Major spoiler...


Yeah this. The stuff in the spoiler will be revealed later so it's not like he's Kirito or Mahouka's guy sorry I can't remember his name
Wait I thought it was because
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JizzyHitler said:
skudoops said:
They were ok in 08th MS team and Stardust.
MS team's romance suffered from the exact same artificially placed relationships the others did except it couldnt rely on the excuse of newtypes. Granted im less critical on MS team for this aspect because unlike the other romantic subplots forced into gundam, ms team actually used its admittidly cheap relationship for a greater use in the plot that actually excelled the series to new ground not possible without it.

To me it was precisely because the romance subplot felt so cheap and out-of-thin-air that I had a hard time buying any of the themes it ended up being used for.
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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Gymkata said:
I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.

Katanagatari
Berserk
Btooom
Chrno Crusade (heard it's good, didn't watch/read it)
Girls of the Wild's
Gantz (sorta)
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Gymkata said:
I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/237/Eureka_Seven/
http://myanimelist.net/anime/165/RahXephon
http://myanimelist.net/anime/73/Full_Metal_Panic!_The_Second_Raid
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2593/Kara_no_Kyoukai_1:_Fukan_Fuukei
http://myanimelist.net/manga/3638/Kurogane_no_Linebarrel
http://myanimelist.net/manga/10552/Hoshi_no_Samidare

*prepares for possible backlash on some of them*
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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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tsudecimo said:
Gymkata said:
I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.

Katanagatari
Berserk
Btooom
Chrno Crusade (heard it's good, didn't watch/read it)
Girls of the Wild's
Gantz (sorta)


I haven't seen most of those, but I liked the end of Katanagatari and REALLY liked chemistry between Casca and Guts.
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tsudecimo said:
Gymkata said:
I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.

Katanagatari
Berserk
Btooom
Chrno Crusade (heard it's good, didn't watch/read it)
Girls of the Wild's
Gantz (sorta)
I'm still in the process of watching Katanagatari

still

After like a bajillion months

another +1

I fucking love fmp
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Gymkata said:
tsudecimo said:

Katanagatari
Berserk
Btooom
Chrno Crusade (heard it's good, didn't watch/read it)
Girls of the Wild's
Gantz (sorta)


I haven't seen most of those, but I liked the end of Katanagatari and REALLY liked chemistry between Casca and Guts.

In Gantz case, the romance is vital for the protagonist's character development. If you are interested in it, I suggest reading the manga or watching the first season, and switch to the manga.


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Such a shame FMP will go forever unfinished.

Can I watch the comedy spin off? I only watched 7 episodes of the first season of FMP.
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Put that (sorta) in bold and size 500.

I think it's the same as Berserk. The romance was vital to certain developments in both of them, but wasn't a main genre of the series.
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jpem said:
Such a shame FMP will go forever unfinished.

Can I watch the comedy spin off? I only watched 7 episodes of the first season of FMP.
It's been a while since I watched it but iirc it didn't really depend on the plot of S1 much so you should be okay. Maybe someone else can confirm if that's true though.
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tsudecimo said:

Can I watch the comedy spin off? I only watched 7 episodes of the first season of FMP.
It's been a while since I watched it but iirc it didn't really depend on the plot of S1 much so you should be okay. Maybe someone else can confirm if that's true though.
Can confirm.
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at least the manga finally got fully translated
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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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at least the manga finally got fully translated
Doesn't that end before any of the post Second Raid content?
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I forgot about RahXephon. I've heard there's some great interaction in it.

I was really impressed with Jin Roh's, even though it was fleeting.
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tsudecimo said:
Gymkata said:
I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.

Gantz (sorta)

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It was hilarious how that romance started.

Also, it reminded me of that wonderful page
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tsudecimo said:
Sapewloth said:

Put that (sorta) in bold and size 500.

I think it's the same as Berserk. The romance was vital to certain developments in both of them, but wasn't a main genre of the series.
Indeed.
Only difference is that I wouldn't call Gantz great by any means (the manga's final arc was all kinds of lame imo).

@Setsu Oh my, thanks for reminding me of that.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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antonn said:
tsudecimo said:

Katanagatari
Berserk
Btooom
Chrno Crusade (heard it's good, didn't watch/read it)
Girls of the Wild's
Gantz (sorta)

No. Just no.


sounds like the title of a porno lol

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I'd kill for a truly great action-romance series.
Shakugan no Shana
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