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| Finally, after 4 episodes they realised that Ikoma & Mumei aren't their enemies lol Ikoma was the boss in this episode, that last shot in the heart! damn xD |
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| This ep was awesome, I only found one problem with it, it was that Ikoma fight was really small for that all build up, he could beat the monster overwhelming but it should last longer, it didn't even used the two swords against him... |
| WHY did she give THEM the master key?? Oh, and they're going through the mountains even though it's 1) more dangerous and 2) they're not done with repairs. Despite this fact, they go outside and try to separate the cars whilst going through the mountains...... And then a gaping hole through a noble sacrifice appears! Kurusu, Ikoma/Mumei action! Hell yeah! That scene with the blood was...interesting, but at least now everyone is cool with them. Good ep! |
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zellami said: MysteriousBanana said: Well, are we positive those rifles are pure steam rifles? So far the only things we've really learned about their weapons are that the bushi rifles use lead bullets and that while doing maintenance on the barrel, the oil they use comes out black - so either they're using contaminated oil to lubricate/clean their weapons or it's being contaminated during maintenance (by rust? lead shavings? gunpowder residue?); we also know that Ikoma's weapon uses both steam power and explosive charges, so that establishes it's possible for both to exist in a weapon (in the KnK world, that is). They fire way too quickly for steam powered rifle, doubly so when they have such a small steam (engine?) pack on their back. I'm wondering if they're not actually gunpowder weapons, but the steam is used in lieu of a spring system to chamber the the gunpowder and bullet whenever they pull the charging handle. Could be, but I don't think it is possible in real life. That is, pairing gunpowder with steam is something one should avoid at all costs - it could only amount to a mess or won't be a fire arm at all. This is why what the first user said was relevant - regardless the preceding development of capsule-detonators or even fire arms in general, smokeless GP changes everything about the weapon in a every way GP bullets did worse - the firing range, rate, impact, maintenance and usage. I do think using steam pressure in a steampunk setting was meant to serve only as an alternative development of real life fire arms and actually Ikoma's gun is indeed improvement of sorts. @opiktea Before we achieve logic, let's work on consistency. I declare that Japan had or could have fire arms at that time. Now, where in Japan's history they had a zombie apocalypse or how come you are certain my grand-grandfather's rifle would kill a kabane. I actually agree that fire arms are better choice of weapons than steampunk imaginary weapons, for the sheer reason I can test only something that is real. I mean, if we pretend to use logic, how logical is to complain about consistency in something that was meant to be fictional by demanding to fit reality (or reality in past, it doesn't really matter which). I mentioned this couple episodes prior. That steam and gunpowder is a really bad combination. The steam would wet the gunpowder making it either less effective or not work at all. You need to keep gunpowder dry. Also, a pressurized steam gun is possible in our world, but they won't all that powerful. Gas pistols, airsoft, BB guns and riot guns all use pressurized gas to fire projectiles. But all of them are non-lethal. Though it is possible to increase the power of them to lethal levels but like the anime shows, ineffective against Kabane or anything remotely armored. The problem is that they are generating steam through liquid to reload their guns, and not using already prepared pressurized canisters. This means they are carrying a heavy water tank on their back and a hot furnace. A whole water tank, mini-boiler and pressurizing system would be VERY heavy, making the gun very unwieldy. And even if they want to use already pressurized canisters, it's not possible because steam is liquid. In room temperature, it would cool off and would not be very effective. |
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| I have 2 questions, Why does Ayame gave the key so easily? and Why did they choose that shortcut that is infested with kabanes? |
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| When Ikoma exited the car I don't get why he completely kicked out the panel, completely leaving his human buddies open to attack. Do those suicide explosives always demolish the train cars? That sounds like it could be disastrous. When Kurusu was blade locked with dual sword zombie I don't get why it didn't just stab him with the other sword. Isn't that one of the major advantages of even dual-wielding? Also when he tackled it it didn't even try to bite him for some reason. Stuff like that keeps happening. The zombies' behavior in general is kinda inconsistent. Apparently the tunnels were hardly an issue. And lol why did Ayame throw her scabbard off the train? |
mintkatMay 9, 2016 12:24 AM
Atlas77 said: I guess she didn't have enough confidence or she is weak to pressure even though previously she has shown more determination. Beacuse the shortcut is shorter and those elders want to get to the city as fast as possible despite the more dagerous route.I have 2 questions, Why does Ayame gave the key so easily? and Why did they choose that shortcut that is infested with kabanes? mintkat said: They are cannon fodder anyway.When Ikoma exited the car I don't get why he completely kicked out the panel, completely leaving his human buddies open to attack Do those suicide explosives always demolish the train cars? That sounds like it could be disastrous. There was an explosive barrel behind, although the people near him and the floor didn't receive damage from the explosion despite how strong it seems to be.When Kurusu was blade locked with dual sword zombie I don't get why it didn't just stab him with the other sword. Isn't that one of the major advantages of even dual-wielding? Questionable battle choreographies, happens often with Ikoma too. Also when he tackled it it didn't even try to bite him for some reason. Stuff like that keeps happening. The zombies' behavior in general is kinda inconsistent. Apparently the tunnels were hardly an issue. The issue was fighting the kabane in the tunnel, I am not sure why but that's it.And lol why did Ayame throw her scabbard off the train? The blade is the important part anyway, lol. I think she did that because it is more "cool". |
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mintkat said: When Ikoma exited the car I don't get why he completely kicked out the panel, completely leaving his human buddies open to attack. Do those suicide explosives always demolish the train cars? That sounds like it could be disastrous. When Kurusu was blade locked with dual sword zombie I don't get why it didn't just stab him with the other sword. Isn't that one of the major advantages of even dual-wielding? Also when he tackled it it didn't even try to bite him for some reason. Stuff like that keeps happening. The zombies' behavior in general is kinda inconsistent. Apparently the tunnels were hardly an issue. And lol why did Ayame throw her scabbard off the train? The guy who suicided did so next to a barrel of gunpowder. I take it you have not read this thread before asking alll those questions that are already answered huh |
mintkat said: Do those suicide explosives always demolish the train cars? That sounds like it could be disastrous. No. He was (deliberately) leaning back against several barrels of powder, which caused a massive explosion. The suicide back merely acted as a detonator. mintkat said: When Kurusu was blade locked with dual sword zombie I don't get why it didn't just stab him with the other sword. Isn't that one of the major advantages of even dual-wielding? Actually it isn't, or at least it's not that simple. Real life dual wielding isn't like in anime, live action movies, or video games. You cut only with one sword really, and use the other to parry, close distance, and/or force an opening. In European fencing, the parry blade tends to be a small main gauche. However with Japanese swordmanship it is usually the larger blade that acts as the parry. The larger parry blade could be a katana, but more often a ko-katana, while the other attacking hand would generally be a wakizashi. A ko-katana is a katana with a shortened blade, but normal length handle. However, you have to bear in mind that katana, and katana handles, were traditionally shorter than portrayed in the media, and than modern production katana. So, if you blade lock the non-parry blade, or blade lock the parry blade with the enemy in a for him unadvantageous position from which he has to expose himself to cut with the attacking hand, he might not get to stab you. That said, blade locking is something you want to avoid at all costs. In the Kurusu vs wazatori fight, I'd say the whole approach was ridiculous, and both of them ended up in a less than ideal position. The wazatori could actually try cutting with his left hand, as Kurusu's right side was open. Then again, Kurusu had his blade high and well close to the wazatori's head. If the latter had attacked with his left hand, Kurusu might have moved to the wazatori's right, using his sword as a lever, and threathening to cut the wazatori's face. zcv45 said: I mentioned this couple episodes prior. That steam and gunpowder is a really bad combination. The steam would wet the gunpowder making it either less effective or not work at all. You need to keep gunpowder dry. Also, a pressurized steam gun is possible in our world, but they won't all that powerful. Gas pistols, airsoft, BB guns and riot guns all use pressurized gas to fire projectiles. But all of them are non-lethal. Though it is possible to increase the power of them to lethal levels but like the anime shows, ineffective against Kabane or anything remotely armored. The problem is that they are generating steam through liquid to reload their guns, and not using already prepared pressurized canisters. This means they are carrying a heavy water tank on their back and a hot furnace. A whole water tank, mini-boiler and pressurizing system would be VERY heavy, making the gun very unwieldy. And even if they want to use already pressurized canisters, it's not possible because steam is liquid. In room temperature, it would cool off and would not be very effective. Well, I agree wholeheartedly with that. You basically debunked 'steampunk' alltogether though, so I think we should leave it at that. As far as I'm concerned, KnK uses pressurized cannisters, and has found some way to keep that manageable, which in reality is impossible, just like how it is imposibble in AoT, to keep enough pressurized air in two carryable cyllinders to consistently propel you through the air on a rope. Award for most ridiculous tech goes to Ayame's steam pully assisted bow though. Regarding the point of whether the tech would be available in 18th/19th century Japan: obviously not, since it is impossible, but again, it's steampunk. Muskets have been available to, and have been widely used in Japan since the Sengoku period, at which time they were generally of better quality than the junk used in Europe. In the 19th century they were falling behind again, but after Perry, the Americans could basically get them anything available in the West. The most notable innovation in small arms during the mid 19th century was the Minié ball round, that allowed for a muzzle loading rifle with increased accuracy, that could be loaded as fast as a smoothbore musket. |
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MysteriousBanana said: last one I recall with a similar idea is Steamboy - which was probably worse since the whole "all the steam in one ball" idea was central to the movie's plot. Hahaha,.. I've seen that, it wasn't just ridiculous, the whole movie was poorly executed too. Entertaining though, good enough for a one shot movie. |
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kamisama751 said: genesic123 said: The nitpicking brigade,spewing terms like"bad writing" for a show that has held well so far.... Posers. Can you clean my listing then? Let me try to explain one of then..... or at least teorize about it. •There is no reason for the body check and 3 day rule to exist since you will turn into a Kabane in a few minutes anyway. Well, I'm sure i'm not the first that had that teory, but I think the speed with which the virus spreads has to do with two things: first, how wide is the wound (logicaly a bigger wound would allow the virus to infect you faster). Second, how far is the wound from your brain. (It is explained that you're only done for if the virus reaches your brain, so if the wound is on your neck is would reach the brain way faster than if it were your leg for example). That being said...why did the pregnant lady taked so long to transform? heck, why was she able to enter the train in the first place? It's because her wound was so small and far from her brain that not only it taked time for her to transformed, but the chekup staff didn't even noticed it. And finally, answering your question (or not?), they know that the infection works the way i explained and thats why they impose the checkup and the 3 day rule. So, was that good enough? Any flaws? Any questions? I'm not here to shut you down, just to help. Also if my grammar was cringy, i'm sorry. |
HyperLMay 9, 2016 3:18 PM
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HyperL said: Someone already proposed your idea but he replied with the fact that the speed at which a normal virus spreads doesn't depend on the dimension of the wound or something like that, I think.Let me try to explain one of then..... or at least teorize about it. •There is no reason for the body check and 3 day rule to exist since you will turn into a Kabane in a few minutes anyway. Well, I'm sure i'm not the first that had that teory, but I think the speed with which the virus spreads has to do with two things: first, how wide is the wound (logicaly a bigger wound would allow the virus to infect you faster). Second, how far is the wound from your brain. (It is explained that you're only done for if the virus reaches your brain, so if the wound is on your neck is would reach the brain way faster than if it were your leg for example). That being said...why did the pregnant lady taked so long to transform? heck, why was she able to enter the train in the first place? It's because her wound was so small and far from her brain that not only it taked time for her to transformed, but the chekup staff didn't even noticed it. And finally, answering your question (or not?), they know that the infection works the way i explained and thats why they impose the checkup and the 3 day rule. So, was that good enough? Any flaws? Any questions? I'm not here to shut you down, just to help. Also if my grammar was cringy, i'm sorry. And about location of the wound, based on the speed of the infection seen with Ikoma the position of the wound wouldn't justify a variable of 3 days, not even an hour. Don't worry about shutting him down because he will try to do that to you :) |
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zal said: HyperL said: Someone already proposed your idea but he replied with the fact that the speed at which a normal virus spreads doesn't depend on the dimension of the wound or something like that, I think.Let me try to explain one of then..... or at least teorize about it. •There is no reason for the body check and 3 day rule to exist since you will turn into a Kabane in a few minutes anyway. Well, I'm sure i'm not the first that had that teory, but I think the speed with which the virus spreads has to do with two things: first, how wide is the wound (logicaly a bigger wound would allow the virus to infect you faster). Second, how far is the wound from your brain. (It is explained that you're only done for if the virus reaches your brain, so if the wound is on your neck is would reach the brain way faster than if it were your leg for example). That being said...why did the pregnant lady taked so long to transform? heck, why was she able to enter the train in the first place? It's because her wound was so small and far from her brain that not only it taked time for her to transformed, but the chekup staff didn't even noticed it. And finally, answering your question (or not?), they know that the infection works the way i explained and thats why they impose the checkup and the 3 day rule. So, was that good enough? Any flaws? Any questions? I'm not here to shut you down, just to help. Also if my grammar was cringy, i'm sorry. And about location of the wound, based on the speed of the infection seen with Ikoma the position of the wound wouldn't justify a variable of 3 days, not even an hour. Don't worry about shutting him down because he will try to do that to you :) Well yeah, the dimention of the wound doesn't directly affect the speed of the infection, rather how long the Kabane bite took. Imagine two people drinking poison, one drinks a hole bottle and dies on the spot, the other just drinks 1/4 and it takes some time before he dies. Get my logic? What i'm trying to say is, since the Kabane contaminate through his teeth (acording to zombie standards), the longer the bite (that will determine the size of the wound), the more of whatever it is that infects your body is able go in (And YES. It is NOT confirmed that it is a virus, it could be something else). That's why the pregnant lady that had the smallest wound only got infected with a little bit of the evil thing, resulting in a slow transformation process. |
HyperLMay 9, 2016 4:48 PM
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MysteriousBanana said: HyperL said: Well yeah, the dimention of the wound doesn't directly affect the speed of the infection, rather how long the Kabane bite took. Imagine two people drinking poison, one drinks a hole bottle and dies on the spot, the other just drinks 1/4 and it takes some time before he dies. Get my logic? What i'm trying to say is, since the Kabane contaminate through his teeth (acording to zombie standards), the longer the bite (that will determine the size of the wound), the more of whatever infects your body is able go in (And YES. It is NOT confirmed that it is a virus, it could be something else). That's why the pregnant lady that had the smallest wound only got infected with a little bit of the evil thing, resulting in a slow transformation process. Honestly, we're just overthinking the mechanic of the infection. Simple fact is all diseases have variable incubation rates, take ebola for example: the fastest it takes for symptoms to show up is 2 days, on average it takes 10 days, but the observation period is 21 days. That's not a mistake, that's just how long it takes for people to be sure a person doesn't have ebola. Same thing here. We see that most people get infected really quickly, but we also know there are outliers who taker longer. This isn't a contradiction, it's just how diseases are, and thus the three day observation period isn't a mistake because that's how long it takes for people to be sure someone isn't turning into a kabane. It's unnecessary to theorize about the mechanics to justify the observation period. Fair enough. It's just that when it comes to anime or any kind of show, there will always be those people that will judge as a flaw anything that seens even a little bit "inconsistent", without even trying to theorize why it is inconsistent beforehand. They need to realise that the people that write those plot are not stupid (at least most of them) and know how to write a story better than us, otherwise that wouldn't be their job in the first place. Anything that it seens inconsistent have yet to be explained later in the anime or it's something that can easily be realised with a bit of thinking, just like my theory earlier. |
HyperLMay 9, 2016 5:52 PM
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HyperL said: I completely agree with you, though I do get why people are upset over the infection not spreading at a consistent rate (or people turning into a Kabane at a consistent rate). This episode Kuranosuke got bit and it shows the purple infection quickly move up his neck, but a bit later it shows the Wazatori walking through a room of dead people who had no visible signs of a spreading infection (most of which I presume got bit in a similar area and didn't have time to use a suicide bag).MysteriousBanana said: Honestly, we're just overthinking the mechanic of the infection. Simple fact is all diseases have variable incubation rates, take ebola for example: the fastest it takes for symptoms to show up is 2 days, on average it takes 10 days, but the observation period is 21 days. That's not a mistake, that's just how long it takes for people to be sure a person doesn't have ebola. Same thing here. We see that most people get infected really quickly, but we also know there are outliers who taker longer. This isn't a contradiction, it's just how diseases are, and thus the three day observation period isn't a mistake because that's how long it takes for people to be sure someone isn't turning into a kabane. It's unnecessary to theorize about the mechanics to justify the observation period. Fair enough. It's just that when it comes to anime or any kind of show, there will always be those people that will judge as a flaw anything that seens even a little bit "inconsistent", without even trying to theorize why it is inconsistent beforehand. They need to realise that the people that write those plot are not stupid (at least most of them) and know how to write a story better than us, otherwise that wouldn't be their job in the first place. Anything that it seens inconsistent have yet to be explained later in the anime or it's something that can easily be realised with a bit of thinking, just like my theory earlier. I don't think any of them would have become a Kabane so quickly after first coming in contact with the infection as it takes time to fully transform the body, though maybe some of them should have had visible purple on them. I assume the creators didn't do that so beating the Wazatori would be a more complete victory to the audience and it wouldn't be implied the battle isn't over when there's no time left in the episode (plus, showing the characters having to take out some more regular Kabane after the Wazatori would have made it less impactful). Personally, I like the way they handled it. Koutetsujou no Kabaneri's main objective is obviously to entertain, not to make complete sense. |
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HyperL said: Poison is different than a virus, it doesn't replicate so the consequences of poison do depend on the quantity.MysteriousBanana said: Honestly, we're just overthinking the mechanic of the infection. Simple fact is all diseases have variable incubation rates, take ebola for example: the fastest it takes for symptoms to show up is 2 days, on average it takes 10 days, but the observation period is 21 days. That's not a mistake, that's just how long it takes for people to be sure a person doesn't have ebola. Same thing here. We see that most people get infected really quickly, but we also know there are outliers who taker longer. This isn't a contradiction, it's just how diseases are, and thus the three day observation period isn't a mistake because that's how long it takes for people to be sure someone isn't turning into a kabane. It's unnecessary to theorize about the mechanics to justify the observation period. Fair enough. It's just that when it comes to anime or any kind of show, there will always be those people that will judge as a flaw anything that seens even a little bit "inconsistent", without even trying to theorize why it is inconsistent beforehand. They need to realise that the people that write those plot are not stupid (at least most of them) and know how to write a story better than us, otherwise that wouldn't be their job in the first place. Anything that it seens inconsistent have yet to be explained later in the anime or it's something that can easily be realised with a bit of thinking, just like my theory earlier. The transformation speed has been pretty inconsistent for now, apart for the pregnant woman everyone has shown at least the sign in a very short period of time. I don't necessary consider it a flaw but it is mainly convenience. I don't expect an explanation because most of the time they don't care that much about these details but it would be nice if they did. @Phoebe3315 I thought it happened because they were dead. I don't think dead people turn into kabane, right? They are not classic zombies. |
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zal said: I thought it happened because they were dead. I don't think dead people turn into kabane, right? They are not classic zombies. Oh. You're probably right. I'm not sure why everyone would be dead though, since it didn't look like the Wazatori sliced into that many people. Maybe the Kabane just fed too hard and the people ended up bleeding to death? |
zal said: Poison is different than a virus, it doesn't replicate so the consequences of poison do depend on the quantity. The transformation speed has been pretty inconsistent for now, apart for the pregnant woman everyone has shown at least the sign in a very short period of time. I don't necessary consider it a flaw but it is mainly convenience. I don't expect an explanation because most of the time they don't care that much about these details but it would be nice if they did. @Phoebe3315 I thought it happened because they were dead. I don't think dead people turn into kabane, right? They are not classic zombies. Exactly, the fact that Ikoma amongst others suspect it to be a virus, doesn't mean it actually is a virus, or if it is, works like a known virus. I am still standing by my necrotic venom comparison theory. Regarding the 'incubation time'. We haven't actually seen anyone turn, have we? I mean, we've seen people turn into Kabane, and we've seen people get bitten/injured/'infected', but we've never seen one of the latter turn in the same or a temporal consecutive scene. We don't know how long Ikoma was actually away before he got back to his sister, we don't know how much time he took to setup his own strangulation, and we know neither when nor how the pregnant woman got bitten/injured/'infected'. Finally, no I also agree that Kabane are not classic zombies, nor the recently more common in popular media 'infected'. If anything, they are more like vampires. Consider the following:
Bear in mind we're still only at episode 4 here, so I might be proven entirely wrong at some or all of these points later on. I might have misread some things, or simply made too much out of it. It's just the way it seems to me now. |
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Laionidas said: For what has been said until now it is either a virus or a curse, if it changes in the future that's fine but until then it is most likely a virus because mc's intuitions tend to be right all the time even when making assumptions.zal said: Poison is different than a virus, it doesn't replicate so the consequences of poison do depend on the quantity. The transformation speed has been pretty inconsistent for now, apart for the pregnant woman everyone has shown at least the sign in a very short period of time. I don't necessary consider it a flaw but it is mainly convenience. I don't expect an explanation because most of the time they don't care that much about these details but it would be nice if they did. @Phoebe3315 I thought it happened because they were dead. I don't think dead people turn into kabane, right? They are not classic zombies. Exactly, the fact that Ikoma amongst others suspect it to be a virus, doesn't mean it actually is a virus, or if it is, works like a known virus. I am still standing by my necrotic venom comparison theory. Regarding the 'incubation time'. We haven't actually seen anyone turn, have we? I mean, we've seen people turn into Kabane, and we've seen people get bitten/injured/'infected', but we've never seen one of the latter turn in the same or a temporal consecutive scene. We don't know how long Ikoma was actually away before he got back to his sister, we don't know how much time he took to setup his own strangulation, and we know neither when nor how the pregnant woman got bitten/injured/'infected'. Finally, no I also agree that Kabane are not classic zombies, nor the recently more common in popular media 'infected'. If anything, they are more like vampires. Consider the following:
Bear in mind we're still only at episode 4 here, so I might be proven entirely wrong at some or all of these points later on. I might have misread some things, or simply made too much out of it. It's just the way it seems to me now. Ikoma's sister was bitten during the night he leaves asking for help to 2/3 people (what is shown) then comes back. It is still night but the flames are bigger so it passed some time but I doubt more than an hour or even half an hour. This goes for Ikoma too, maybe he didn't do the strangulation immediately but probably not more than half an hour. A strange thing about how they feed is that until now we've seen only bites and not them drinking. Like with Ikoma's sister why did the kabane leave her corpse there? Maybe we will have an answer or maybe they will just let it be like this so that everyone can interpret how they want. |
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zal said: Laionidas said: For what has been said until now it is either a virus or a curse, if it changes in the future that's fine but until then it is most likely a virus because mc's intuitions tend to be right all the time even when making assumptions.Exactly, the fact that Ikoma amongst others suspect it to be a virus, doesn't mean it actually is a virus, or if it is, works like a known virus. I am still standing by my necrotic venom comparison theory. Regarding the 'incubation time'. We haven't actually seen anyone turn, have we? I mean, we've seen people turn into Kabane, and we've seen people get bitten/injured/'infected', but we've never seen one of the latter turn in the same or a temporal consecutive scene. We don't know how long Ikoma was actually away before he got back to his sister, we don't know how much time he took to setup his own strangulation, and we know neither when nor how the pregnant woman got bitten/injured/'infected'. Finally, no I also agree that Kabane are not classic zombies, nor the recently more common in popular media 'infected'. If anything, they are more like vampires. Consider the following:
Bear in mind we're still only at episode 4 here, so I might be proven entirely wrong at some or all of these points later on. I might have misread some things, or simply made too much out of it. It's just the way it seems to me now. Ikoma's sister was bitten during the night he leaves asking for help to 2/3 people (what is shown) then comes back. It is still night but the flames are bigger so it passed some time but I doubt more than an hour or even half an hour. This goes for Ikoma too, maybe he didn't do the strangulation immediately but probably not more than half an hour. A strange thing about how they feed is that until now we've seen only bites and not them drinking. Like with Ikoma's sister why did the kabane leave her corpse there? Maybe we will have an answer or maybe they will just let it be like this so that everyone can interpret how they want. @Laionidas Very well systematized, it was a pleasure to read. One thing more to add (but of course, I am not entirely sure) - I think kabane are nocturnal. Someone above asked what was that thing about the tunnels. Aside that Mumei won't do the acrobatic fighting in a tunnel, I think during the day, the kabane hide in the dark tunnels or forests. In the previous episodes we have seen them only from twilight to dawn. Especially in episode 1, when in the end there was a scene full with kabane crawling out of the woods and in the next none of them is seen, when the train eventually left the station with the dawn. The group behavior additionally somewhat resembles rats. It's known that rats could plug pipes with the bodies of the eldest members, when poisoned/exterminated, and give the youngsters chance to flee and make out in safer or new places. I haven't noticed something specifically hierarchical about kabane (the Wazatori was just the biggest of them), but they definitely contribute in attacking and show not only organized behaviour but also some serious spite. @zal If the virus so quickly infects the bitten or torn spot, especially in the area around the neck, they will basically taste their own virus (and we know already it hasn't the desired effect). Choosing the neck and ripping the veins and aortas there would gush them with fresh blood for longer than biting a limb or the back. I mean, I don't know what are they, probably haven't evolved into blood-sucking classic vampires or animals, so they mostly tear where the circulatory system is abundant and fast with fresh blood. (Just some thoughts). |
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zellami said: @Laionidas Very well systematized, it was a pleasure to read. One thing more to add (but of course, I am not entirely sure) - I think kabane are nocturnal. Someone above asked what was that thing about the tunnels. Aside that Mumei won't do the acrobatic fighting in a tunnel, I think during the day, the kabane hide in the dark tunnels or forests. In the previous episodes we have seen them only from twilight to dawn. Especially in episode 2, when in the end there was a scene full with kabane crawling out of the woods and in the next none of them is seen, when the train eventually left the station with the dawn. Thanks! I was actually thinking about adding that to the list, but was thrown off by some scenes, mostly those involving Ikoma's sister, and the vampire concept. You're absolutely right though, by the time Ikoma sees his sister in daylight, the Kabane are more or less gone. Also, they might not react to sunlight like vampires from traditional lore, but that does not mean they are not nocturnal. Nocturnal creatures are simply active at night, but daylight doesn't hurt them. |
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| This time the background music truly gave me the chills, particularly after Ikoma defeated that armed kabane and everyone started chanting "Rokkon Shojo". Was exciting. |
| I just realized... is there a possiblity that Mumei is his sister? In the opening, there is this one odd scene which transitions from his sister to Mumei, with an oddly VERY similar appearance.... What do you think? |
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TheExplorer said: I just realized... is there a possiblity that Mumei is his sister? In the opening, there is this one odd scene which transitions from his sister to Mumei, with an oddly VERY similar appearance.... What do you think? No there is not. Ikoma destroyed his sister's heart and she was already turning. It had reached the brain. That OP is just symbolism of Ikoma more or less taking Mumei as a sister figure to make up for the one he abandoned back when he was a child |
GD1551 said: That's a question that is ignored in most zombie's shows. It's just for food.Only thing I don't understand is WHY are the kabaneri doing this. On one hand you can say, it's for food, but why would they just chase and kill people then? I know they possess some intelligence but I dunno. |
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| Sick action sequence during the second half. Loving it so far. Having not watched Attack on Titan I don't know about these similarities that people are seeing so that helps me enjoy this more than others I guess. |
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GD1551 said: Only thing I don't understand is WHY are the kabaneri doing this. On one hand you can say, it's for food, but why would they just chase and kill people then? I know they possess some intelligence but I dunno. Kabane not Kabaneri |
| Ikoma be like "Ez kill" |
Shirobako is AOTY 2015. Deal with it. |
Yasamura said: Ikoma be like "Ez kill" He had a good teacher :P |
| That waza-something monster was quite strong. Ayame <3. |
Everyone be like , struggling so hard to defend against that "Learner" and it only took 5 sec for Ikoma to kill him |
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GD1551 said: Most of them don't really know how to fight if they did Ikoma would be dead since the first ep. The wazatori is an exception, for now. Also he didn't "learn" he had experience of fighting. However I wouldn't exclude the appearance of intelligent kabane in the future or at least something like the mutants in "I am legend" where after sometime started showing intelligence and even feelings like love, anger. But even there it was specie vs specie no real reason to fight other than asserting dominance of the superior specie.zal said: That's a question that is ignored in most zombie's shows. It's just for food. Yeah but they are actually intelligent, they can learn to fight etc and react when their own are killed. |
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GD1551 said: I interpreted it more like he "knows how to fight from experience" because learn doesn't really fit the context. I think they meant he learnt before becoming kabane and now he knows.zal said: Most of them don't really know how to fight if they did Ikoma would be dead since the first ep. The wazatori is an exception, for now. Also he didn't "learn" he had experience of fighting. However I wouldn't exclude the appearance of intelligent kabane in the future or at least something like the mutants in "I am legend" where after sometime started showing intelligence and even feelings like love, anger. But even there it was specie vs specie no real reason to fight other than asserting dominance of the superior specie. Well the subs I had said "It learned how to fight from experience", which basically means it learned how to fight. |
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