If an Anime's average score on MAL is a 10/10, but it had a very low viewership, would you consider it legitimate?

Araby said:
@ troll rating conversation: My hypothesis is that the probability of any arbitrary rating of 1 on a Top 30 anime being a troll rating is 98+%.

I've known very few users to seriously include 1 as part of their rating scale, and, even among those that do, it is usually reserved for things that most people agree are atrociously bad (ie. things that would not be in the Top 30). Anime in the Top 30 tend to have at least one characteristic that influences people to rate them at least not the worst (besides the characteristic of being well liked, obviously); classic status, "good" visuals, etc.

Sushiii said:
I didn't have a discussion with you specifically about it, so no, I did not "make stuff up".
I'm also not going to find something I posted months ago without knowing specific key search words. It's basically what I provided in this thread, the statistics.

Sushiii said:
What's extremely likely is that you're being a contradictory now by saying "not all 1s are troll accounts". This can be said for any set score in the matter that not all xx are legit. Your refute relies on possibility, something which you are denying ATM.
Also your opinion that it doesn't.
It's like if I were say you have no hard proof that Gintama doesn't have more trolls.

Sushiii said:
Yes, it is. You should take the class.

Sushiii said:
I already admitted that I was wrong in saying that Gintama concretely had more trolls, and that it's a higher possibility that it does.

You're now denying that percentage wise, Gintama still doesn't have more trolls. Your argument that "not all 1s are trolls" is bs.

IntroverTurtle said:
I've went through all the 1-4 ratings of three anime(One Piece, FMAB, and Hajime no Ippo) and most of the 1s are actually what looks to be legit. Regularly active, have other varied scores, talk to people, etc. Most users only have a couple 1s though.

Araby said:
There is a big difference between troll rating and being a troll account, though. It's very possible for an otherwise reasonable user to troll rate, just because something bugs them enough.

Araby said:
Anime in the Top 30 tend to have at least one characteristic that influences most people to rate them at least not the worst (besides the characteristic of being well liked, obviously); classic status, "good" visuals, etc.

IntroverTurtle said:
Yeah that's definitely true that there are some. But there is no way ever that you can prove that there are 98%+ troll ratings or even that one person has scored like that. And bias like that affects everyone's scores no matter how little and what they scored the anime, so I guess in a way you are right, except it's about every score not just the 1s.

You're thinking too highly(maybe that's not the word) of people. It's already been shown that most people base their scores off of pure enjoyment. If someone hates the story or the characters or whatever, nothing else matters. It doesn't matter if it has "good" visuals or classic status. If they dislike it, it's crap.
I know my 1s are like that, they probably have some things that aren't a 1, but the bad overrides the good or the average so damn much.

Araby said:
I don't intend to test it, but it could be feasibly tested, I believe.

I agree. There's definitely a fine line between rating with strong but "legitimate" biases and troll rating. When I say troll rating, I'm specifically referring to rating something lower because of it's high average rating on MAL. I don't include anything else, although there are obviously many rating criteria that are extremely suspect. Cough cough, DateYutaka, lol.

Sourire said:
I still can't believe R2 is in the top 10 or even top 100

IntroverTurtle said:
I've went through all the 1-4 ratings of three anime(One Piece, FMAB, and Hajime no Ippo) and most of the 1s are actually what looks to be legit. Regularly active, have other varied scores, talk to people, etc. Most users only have a couple 1s though.

silversaint said:

it has a mess of a plot, its extremely absurd but damn is it fun kinda like Kill La Kill, is it difficult to believe its in the top 10?
I dislike Clannad AS but I can see why so many other people like it

Sourire said:
I never said clannad as deserved to be there in the first place, even though I think it does, but I can name you plenty of shows that are better than R2.. Also R1 > R2

Sourire said:
I never said clannad as deserved to be there in the first place, even though I think it does, but I can name you plenty of shows that are better than R2.. Also R1 > R2

IKKIsama said:
I said it not long ago, LoGH would be #1 if not for the haters.

HaXXspetten said:

Can't you apply that logic to literally every series? If there were no haters it'd be top-rated, no?

Paul said:


Anyone who gives any show less than a 10 is a hater?

gamer2710 said:
<DramaEnthusiast> Yes.

DramaEnthusiast said:
To put the thread discussion into more understanding context, here's an example.

NANA has an average score of 10/10 by those who have seen it on MAL, and most other actual professional review sites give it a 10/10 which must imply it's the cream of the crop. However, take into account NANA is a very unknown series, meaning most of you might have no idea what it was prior to reading this. It has a very small viewership, which means those who watched it are little more than a cult following compared to say, One Piece, which has a massive viewership and it's scores seem more accurate as a result.

As a result, do you think if an anime is constantly given high praise, but has very small following, it's score is not legitimate, and how good it is cannot be defined until much more people watch it? I got the question of this thread because I just fondly remembered NANA, but realized I'm one in the very few who knew it's existence.

Sourire said:
I never said clannad as deserved to be there in the first place, even though I think it does, but I can name you plenty of shows that are better than R2.. Also R1 > R2

DateYutaka said:
head sacher of a question

SaberKino said:
I sach every time

tsudecimo said:
OT: I don't think a score can be illegitimate but if there is one it definetly has to be LOGH.

It has everything an anime needs to be ranked high in this site.

It only has 30,109 members ( I know third and fourth seasons of anime that has more viewers than this). It's old and unappealing which explains the low amount of viewers.

It's long.

Araby said:

>only 30K
>"low amount of viewers"

30K is a significant amount. It's definitely significant enough such that any bias from low sample size is negligible.

This is true. Length helps, but it doesn't give LoGH "everything it needs to be highly rated."

Shuhan said:
Only 9k people have completed it though.

Araby said:
Okay, that's true. 9K is still a large enough sample size.

tsudecimo said:

Stop shit posting.

Sourire said:
yup because my opinion = shit posting, thanks for clarifying.

tsudecimo said:
How many times did you actually explained your reasoning or made the bashing of R2