| simple, in the early days of anime, there were a lot of extremely shitty dubs. and even between the newer ones there are some pretty weak ones. but compared to dubs, you can always expect subs to be at least "good" if not amazing. now that said, there are still a lot of great dubs out there. it's just that many sub watchers will never give them a chance. although that is slowly changing. from everything that I have seen most people are ok with both these days. not on mal though. there are way to many dub haters on here, and they are far from being the minority. at least not in the forums. |
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SouthernmostIsle said: BirdyTheMighty said: is mha s6 spy x family s2 dub goodThere are a few reasons: 1. No way Im waiting for the dub to come out, when the sub appears days after airing 2. Not such an issue with big titles, but with smaller titles they really tend to fuck up the dubs quite often, so subs end up more enjoyable 3. If i read the manga before watching the anime, the translation tends to be more faithful with the subs, the dubbed version can mess with the way it feels (hope that makes sense), the experience you already had after reading the manga What are the best legendary dubs? my hero's dub is fantastic, I like it better than the sub. but for spy x family the sub is the way. the dub is just soulless. which is a shame considering how a good dub would fit the setting of the show a lot better. some legendary dubs are: FMAB, assassination classroom, steins;gate, akudama drive, konosuba, and black lagoon. |
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| I hate listening to voice actors, but it's easier to listen to when it's in a language you don't know |
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| Because I watch a show in its original language with characters played by professionals, not some dollar store version with characters played by someone with the talent of your average high school drama club member |
| Mostly elitism, they don't realize that Japanese dub is just as cringe and bad as English dub because they don't understand it. Just watch whatever dub you like and don't listen to these people. chronofantasy said: I'm on the minority side. I prefer dubs as much as possible. Watching dubs is by far the majority side. |
| Sub is heavily preferred over dub because its the original language of the show and well, contextual relevance since most Anime take place in Japan the use of Japanese obviously makes the most sense right? especially when it comes down to formalities and way of speaking in japanese, it sometimes just doesn't translate over accurately also people hate on dub watchers because they hate when other people have diffrent opinions to them |
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ateks said: Mostly elitism, they don't realize that Japanese dub is just as cringe and bad as English dub because they don't understand it. Just watch whatever dub you like and don't listen to these people. chronofantasy said: I'm on the minority side. I prefer dubs as much as possible. Watching dubs is by far the majority side. Really? I rarely see anyone say dubs is better than subs. I've been watching anime for 20+ years and I always see more in favor for preferring subs over dubs the 100 times I've seen this debate come up. |
| Because I don't need anime to be adapted to my language, it would lose all meaning to me. Why modify something for which I approached, which are Japanese series. With the subtitles it's enough. I'm not saying dubs are bad, It's just my preference. |
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chronofantasy said: ateks said: Mostly elitism, they don't realize that Japanese dub is just as cringe and bad as English dub because they don't understand it. Just watch whatever dub you like and don't listen to these people. Watching dubs is by far the majority side. Really? I rarely see anyone say dubs is better than subs. I've been watching anime for 20+ years and I always see more in favor for preferring subs over dubs the 100 times I've seen this debate come up. Because they don't care about these kinds of discussions. It's always the loud minority that needs to tell everyone how superior they are when actually nobody cares about it. Around 80-90% of non-Japanese people watch anime dubbed. |
| Ignoring the abilities of VA, I just think the original VO are more natural simply due to the language. Since most of them are writen in Japanese, it obviously works better with Japanese VO. There are some often used phases that just doesn't work on other languages. One example is Itadakimasu (いただきます). It is often translated to Bon Appetit, but it just isn't the same and doesn't feel right since saying that before a meal is not common. Thanks to all the little cultural differences the dubbed versions usually end up unnatural, overacted and cringy imo. |
| Because usually, sub is better in terms of voices and acting. I don't know why they hate dub watchers. I myself watch both. There are awful dubs and good dubs. Shit ones like Girls und Panzer filled with voice actors who cannot act or even bother with the show. Worst dub I have ever seen. The most enthusiastic hyper character sounds like she doesn't care about life. Deadpan and monotone af. Then there are dubs regarded as better than the original such as Black Lagoon which nailed casting and the translation. |
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| In most cases dubs just sound very silly to me, and it's more natural sounding to me watching subs. There's nothing wrong with preferring dubs, but people who refuse to even consider trying subs are being very close-minded. |
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| Dubs just usually sound awkward to me. Like they're trying to hard to be anime and for some reasoin, it doesnt fit. I wonder if I were Japanese if the Japanese dub would sound awkward to me. Because who knows, maybe the separation of me not understanding japanese is to my benefit. |
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| "Why do people always say that sub is better?" Because subs are the more authentic way to experience every media, not only anime. "And hate dub watchers so often?" Because they are so annoying and antagonizing. It is them who are constantly coming up with the "Dub vs Sub" topics, instead of leaving it to one's preferences. It is them coming out with ideas like "English dub is better suiting western and sci-fi setting"... Like on what grounds? Are all the western country speaking english? Are sci-fi ideas some sort of english exclusive/privilege thing? It is them constantly screaming "English dubs are better now!". Are they? Like we always had some really good english dubs here and there, but the majority are doomed to be cheap rush jobs, just because the distribution companies care only so much. And there's another category - translators who are way too eager to showcase their writing skills (or lack of). They hijack someone's else work and shove their own ideas, authenticity be damned. |
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| Preference over hearing something in it's original intended language makes perfect sense to me. I wouldn't watch any western show in a different language. I've tried that and it's jarring as hell, and often unintentionally hilarious. Ghost Stories and Dragon Ball are pretty much the only exceptions I'll make. No one will convince me Japanese Goku sounds good, and Ghost Stories is obvious for anyone who's seen the dub. I will agree that hating people for choosing dubs over subs is pretty stupid and childish though. Why the hell would I care if someone prefers to watch dubs. That's their choice and has absolutely no impact on me. It's like hating someone for having certain shows in their favorites. Fuck off and let people watch what they want. No ones forcing you to watch it yourself. |
| In the past, there were a lot of obnoxious people from both sides that would not only call their own side superior, but also deny any kind of artistic merit to the other side in some very narrow-minded arguments, in which the sub watchers outnumbered the dub watchers on online communities and forums. The community for the most part has gotten passed that stupid era, but there are stragglers, which is why you don't see it as often in a forum like this but will see it more in places like Twitter and Youtube comment sections where people are more willing to just dump their argumentative bullshit and move on. Though I guess it's still present here seeing as some people see the question "why do dubs get shit on" as an excuse to explain why they think dubs are shit and inferior. Y'all know self-awareness is free, right? |
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| I just prefer hearing japanese VAs over others |
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| JP Audio, no sub > JP Audio + JP sub > JP Audio + EN sub > EN Audio. |
| I think the dub hate is stupid it's all a matter of preference, for Hellsing I watch dub for kill la kill I watch sub. The biggest benefit to watching sub is it uses the original script which in most cases is better. But as for as the performance's go if don't speak Japanese how can tell which is better? because anything in Japanese is going to sound good to you. |
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chronofantasy said: I want to agree with you, but I'm just too damn picky about dubs, I won't ever touch the sub if the dub is great, hearing FMA in Japanese feels downright weird, but I just end up watching nearly everything subbed because there's always some major issue with a dub that prevents me from getting immersed in it. I'm on the minority side. I prefer dubs as much as possible. I'll still watch subs since there's more of them, but when there's an option for both, I always pick dub. I feel I can get more engrossed and enjoy the anime more. With subs I feel a bit disconnected when reading and watching, because then I tend to tune out the Japanese voices since I can't understand Japanese anyway and use my own internal voice. I'd be better off reading a book or manga instead in that case. |
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Skullknight91 said: OK, but the Kill la Kill dub is genuinely great, just for the record. I think the dub hate is stupid it's all a matter of preference, for Hellsing I watch dub for kill la kill I watch sub. The biggest benefit to watching sub is it uses the original script which in most cases is better. But as for as the performance's go if don't speak Japanese how can tell which is better? because anything in Japanese is going to sound good to you. |
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kycnui said: The original version of an anime will always be superior to alternatives. There's more detail and years of training that went into it, so it pays off. One thing that I notice is that several characters are voiced by only one voice actor in English dubs. Since characters have different personalities, it can't be avoided to say that a certain voice has become redundant which leads to degradation of quality. ^this i always noticed like the same 4 english voice actors in everything |
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| Its like watching a movie in my native language which is not english. It sound wrong, bad and the acting is mostly very bad. I always prefer watching movies / animes and playing games in its original language since the VA's have way more "feelings" in it. Idk how to explain else. Dubbed feels empty and has no feel to it at all. Idk thats how i feel about it. Japanese VA sounds right and it add tons of emotions compared to english or other languages. |
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giffica said: Why should someone care if the voice acting quality is "objectively" superior in a language that they don't even speak? I'm only concerned with whether or not the dub is actually good, not whether it's better in a language I have to read subtitles for (which often sound awkward/unnatural to English speakers). It obviously will just come down to preference unless you're someone unbiased who has a lot of experience with both, only then could there be any meaningful objectivity on the subject. It objectively is superior, 90% of the time. There are reasons for this as well, but people want to cope and pretend like it's just some hyper-rationalization/preference. In Japan, voice actors ACTUALLY ACT OUT THEIR SCENES. Correct. This is not how western dub actors fulfill the role, and they each do them alone in a closed room, often being director by the lead ADR. For example, look at the series that began the "otaku boom", Gundam. The series was so well received because the voice actors for Char and Amuro acted as real rivals in person. They didn't drink together because they didn't want to become friendly during the recording. Not only that, they actually have a big room where they stand in front of a microphone. All of the Toei, Sunrise, Dynamic Planning (Go Nagai) works were done in rooms with 3-4 mics, where they would watch the scene together, and get in front of the mic when it was their role, actively performing things, and actuallyhaving body language most of the time. Voice acting in Japan was taken seriously, and was viewed as a serious art, unlike the west. Which is sadly the truth, but western VAs simply are nothing compared to actual actors. In Japan this is not necessarily the case. Even Steve Blum is treated like a D list celebrity by mainstream hollywood when he's probably more of a house hold name than anyone on the B-List. It's a totally different profession, and the culture surrounding it is different. Another reason is that the actual anime directors are there in the room, directing the Japanese cast. Unlike the dubs, where they have no part in the creation. Japanese audio therefore will always match the series more. Tomino was in the room, screaming at people to perform better. Except for the what is EXTREMELY rare scenarios such as Space Dandy, where it was intended as an english series BEFORE Japanese (and thus released in the states before Japan), this holds true. Some great series like Ghost in the Shell or Cowboy Bebop are better in english, and the directors have themselves preferred the english voice cast (Spike was intended as an english speaker, originally, thus Steve Blum does fit spike more). |
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321kayla said: I recognize the same JP VA's all the time, but since I don't speak Japanese it ultimately makes no difference, it's a silly comparison. kycnui said: The original version of an anime will always be superior to alternatives. There's more detail and years of training that went into it, so it pays off. One thing that I notice is that several characters are voiced by only one voice actor in English dubs. Since characters have different personalities, it can't be avoided to say that a certain voice has become redundant which leads to degradation of quality. ^this i always noticed like the same 4 english voice actors in everything |
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OnionKnightRises said: Nah. I'm pretty sure it was always just sub purists being elitists, and dub watchers trying to defend their right to exist. lolIn the past, there were a lot of obnoxious people from both sides that would not only call their own side superior, but also deny any kind of artistic merit to the other side in some very narrow-minded arguments, in which the sub watchers outnumbered the dub watchers on online communities and forums. The community for the most part has gotten passed that stupid era, but there are stragglers, which is why you don't see it as often in a forum like this but will see it more in places like Twitter and Youtube comment sections where people are more willing to just dump their argumentative bullshit and move on. Though I guess it's still present here seeing as some people see the question "why do dubs get shit on" as an excuse to explain why they think dubs are shit and inferior. Y'all know self-awareness is free, right? |
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giffica said: Are you brain damaged? How would dubs be awkward for English speakers, when they're literally made for English speakers? Did you not understand the context I was speaking in? I said the language used in subtitles is awkward to English speakers, not that reading subtitles is awkward. The irony that you're failing at reading comprehension is not lost on me. LostSpectre said: Why should someone care if the voice acting quality is "objectively" superior in a language that they don't even speak? I'm only concerned with whether or not the dub is actually good, not whether it's better in a language I have to read subtitles for (which often sound awkward/unnatural to English speakers). It obviously will just come down to preference unless you're someone unbiased who has a lot of experience with both, only then could there be any meaningful objectivity on the subject. What are you even talking about? Dubs are the awkward unnatural one, the anime is MADE FOR JAPANESe how is it awkward to read subtitles? You not being fluent in english is your own issue. |
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giffica said: I can't converse with someone who has zero reading comprehension, I don't know what else to tell you. LostSpectre said: Are you brain damaged? How would dubs be awkward for English speakers, when they're literally made for English speakers? Did you not understand the context I was speaking in? I said the language used in subtitles is awkward to English speakers, not that reading subtitles is awkward. The irony that you're failing at reading comprehension is not lost on me. Uh, the anime isnt made for the dub, its made, naturally, for the sub 🤣 Subtitles are in Japanese, too, do you think that is something in English? Make it obvious you've never seen a foreign film. |
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giffica said: Considering you've failed to comprehend a single one of my points thus far, I'm not sure how you know whether they're wrong or not. LostSpectre said: I can't converse with someone who has zero reading comprehension, I don't know what else to tell you. No your points are wrong lol Subtitles are in the Japanese language. The show is made with subtitles. Try learning who the deaf are, they exist. |
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giffica said: You don't know what my point is, since you have absolutely no reading comprehension, you can just stop replying now, it's absolutely pointless. LostSpectre said: Considering you've failed to comprehend a single one of my points thus far, I'm not sure how you know whether they're wrong or not. Your point is wrong. Someone who is incorrect on the fact "show is not made for subs" when the original show has subtitles has No business being part of a conversation. You are not part of this conversation becuase you cant follow a conversation. Try addressing how wrong you were first then you'll get some respect. |
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giffica said: You literally have not understood a single thing I have written or any points that were made, because you have no reading comprehension abilities. Stop. LostSpectre said: You don't know what my point is, since you have absolutely no reading comprehension, you can just stop replying now, it's absolutely pointless. You've made the same post 3 times in a row, your memory is slipping. Try following the cinversation and address the fact you were wrong about anime being made for subtitles. |
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giffica said: Not a single comment you've made has actually been relevant to my original comment in any conceivable way, and yet you continue to flaunt your stupidity. LostSpectre said: You literally have not understood a single thing I have written or any points that were made, because you have no reading comprehension abilities. Stop. Thats post 4 bucko. Its hard being so consistently wrong. but you are that person lol Embarassing for everyone in this thread that you thought subtitles were something made for English 💀 This "conversation" is over now, but feel free to get the last word in, despite the fact you've said nothing of value this entire time. |
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