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| Bruh that shot that went through Kazuta's hole in his head thoughhh lmao.. And did Matsuoka really just watched Hondomachi fight Kazuta without giving any assistance at all? Pretty sure both of them had a gun. Or that might be intentional on Matsuoka's part if he was confident in Hondomachi's skills and wanted to see her reaction after she dealt with Kazuta to see if she would be suited and better off as a brilliant detective or not. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: phantomfandom said: I'm wondering if Matsuoka is the John Walker, a long coat is one reason, but I suspect when he recommend Koharu to be a detective. While his reason is perfect, she just kill a man and probably on a verge of being a serial killer, she may need a push in a well to be an actual serial killer, and Matsuoka just done that. What you say does not make any logical sense to me, and is simply incorrect in-story. Hondoumachi is already a serial killer, which is WHY she can dive into the ID-wells now, and why Matsuoka recommended her to get rid of a dangerous partner. Matsuoka being John Walker is the worst theory(=the one going against most facts up to now) right now, I do not mean any harm but this is really so. shubh_jain_2 said: Well if sakaido is not hated, I don't see any reason why she would be hated. Everyone is fighting for a cause and I am sure she had a back-story too!! Back-stories can convert even hateable characters into likable!! What a great power! Sakaido is a distraught man who lost his family to a synthetic serial killer. He is now helping others catch serial killers even though it takes great mental toll on him and he is considered a criminal. Hondoumachi is a 23 year old nidget thot who joined special task force to feel the thrill of a danger and inflict harm on people, putting others in danger as well. I would say the comparison is kinda not in her favour. Dignity said: Honestly feel bad that Kazuta died. Was hoping him and his crush would be in or near the same cell so they could finally confess to each other.. Really messed up relationship they were in, though. Quite reminiscent of a lot of toxic, dysfunctional relationships in reality. For Japan this is a real deal (although maybe usually the genders are reversed? Do not cite this), and the story might speak against it, but in the end, in the train, the authors show compassion to such people. I think you are being kinda unfair, Hondoumachi did not have a hole on her skull when she 1st entered the task force, saying she "joined special task force to feel the thrill of a danger and inflict harm on people" is just wrong unless you are talking about things I am not aware of aka manga stuff otherwise it is totally believable that she is just suffering from mental problems caused by the hole. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: HistoricalMaize said: I think you are being kinda unfair, Hondoumachi did not have a hole on her skull when she 1st entered the task force, saying she "joined special task force to feel the thrill of a danger and inflict harm on people" is just wrong unless you are talking about things I am not aware of aka manga stuff otherwise it is totally believable that she is just suffering from mental problems caused by the hole. Were you paying attention to the dialogues? Matsuoka bluntly states that Hondoumachi's willingness to impale herself on the drill (which registered as a murder) is a clear mental deviation which is not caused by any wounds. you are taking things a little bit to literally matsuoka himself states that he does not condemn hondoumachi's "suicide attempt" his whole argument is coming from the fact that 2 episodes ago she went by herself after the suspect and in the most recent episode she felt nothing when she killed the serial killer, going from stabbing him to consulting the device like if nothing had even happened. We have different understandings on what is happening but we both agree that she is currently crazy and serial killer material but, in my opinion, that is caused by the head injury which can in fact cause mental problems and even complete change of personality. |
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| Whew, there was a lot in this episode! I really wanna know who John Walker is and I agree with Wakashika; I think John Walker has to be someone who works within the team. It was super obvious from episode 1 that John Walker was involved in Narihisago's daughter's murder though so I wasn't that surprised by that particular reveal I can't believe Hondomachi is going to become a Brilliant Detective! When she got happy about that I was like "Girl, no... you're life is about to become so bleak and horrible!" It's so sad that she has to fill that role but i guess it's the safest option for her AND for the people closest to her. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: HistoricalMaize said: you are taking things a little bit to literally matsuoka himself states that he does not condemn hondoumachi's "suicide attempt" his whole argument is coming from the fact that 2 episodes ago she went by herself after the suspect and in the most recent episode she felt nothing when she killed the serial killer, going from stabbing him to consulting the device like if nothing had even happened. We have different understandings on what is happening but we both agree that she is currently crazy and serial killer material but, in my opinion, that is caused by the head injury which can in fact cause mental problems and even complete change of personality. We will have to agree to disagree on this. Her overall behaviour (this is deeply psychological series playing with a lot of narratives, taking questions we cannot answer yet and providing discourse into them) is clearly that of a deranged person. 1. She is a 23 year old female midget. Nevertheless, she joins a special police force which works with a mysterious facility. 2. She, defying common sense in a psychological series, tries to go after dangerous culprits by herself. 3. She, which is a fact in-story, WILLINGLY THROWNS HER HEAD ON A DRILL. Matsuoka, as a realistic no-nonsense policeman, calls her out on this. Whether we might be reading into this too much or not, this is the reality of the series. And it does not suggest Hondoumachi to be anyhow "fine". I am not saying she is fine CURRENTLY but your 1st point does not matter even in real life let alone anime she can do whatever she wants and her stature and age do not matter, I already said that I agree with your 2nd point in my previous answer, and regarding your 3rd point the fact that she did that made her appear in the well and that made sakaido and the others able to find out where she was being held at. As I said the only thing we disagree is whether or not she was crazy since the beginning or just after the drill that made her head injury and until we have more information on this, like her backstory or something explaining her motives, I think my point is the most plausible. |
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Swagernator said: I knew it, i knew there is something wrong with Hondoumachi, girl's crazy in the head. That bitch was Psych all alone |
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| Great Episode 8/10 |
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BlackCicero said: Aside from the action scene between Hondoumachi and Kazuta being a little dumb, the episode was nice. I'm looking forward to seeing Hondoumachi play the role of the brilliant detective. Right? That scene where the bullet went through Kazuta's hole. That was some Devil May Cry levels of over the top there lol. |
phantomfandom said: I'm wondering if Matsuoka is the John Walker, a long coat is one reason, but I suspect when he recommend Koharu to be a detective. While his reason is perfect, she just kill a man and probably on a verge of being a serial killer, she may need a push in a well to be an actual serial killer, and Matsuoka just done that. I think the same thing too |
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| bruh they really did the bullet through the hole huh some kojima level of silliness granted all those shots missed at least they were counted for but our girl is crazy right when she said she'll shoot i knew it was bait but at the same i thought she might do it and how totally fine she was having just killed a person ,this development has been interesting. everyone is realizing how useless Sakaido is so i wonder what will happen now. show is still going good but every episode theres just something that happens that's just beyond dumb |
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| Bullet through the hole...no. If Hondoumachi is a psycho, then things may get interesting. |
| The irony in every dive into the well is quite something. Everything is connected. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| That bullet though the hole served 2 important purposes - lighten the mood of the scene and distract everyone's attention from how different Hondomachi was acting, she wasn't newbie cop that we used to see, but stone cold hunter setting a trap for a pray, just how quickly she grabbed knife at the last second and impaled Kazuta on it right in the chest, the way she was holding knife felt like she knew what she was doing Also, it was a good fan service too, for us, audience, to go "Wow!" |
adbeaver said: Bruh that shot that went through Kazuta's hole in his head thoughhh lmao.. And did Matsuoka really just watched Hondomachi fight Kazuta without giving any assistance at all? Pretty sure both of them had a gun. Or that might be intentional on Matsuoka's part if he was confident in Hondomachi's skills and wanted to see her reaction after she dealt with Kazuta to see if she would be suited and better off as a brilliant detective or not. My thoughts exactly. Pretty sure it was just lazy writing. And the bullet through the whole in the head was beyond stupid. IMHO the only saving grace of the show seems to be Hondomachi's transformation into a cold badass after getting the drill to the head. Looking forward to more of that. But the rest of the show is failing quickly, despite the very cool premise. |
| not sure if anime just bad or i'm missing something lol seems like all adults are useless except hondomachi |
phantomfandom said: I'm wondering if Matsuoka is the John Walker, a long coat is one reason, but I suspect when he recommend Koharu to be a detective. While his reason is perfect, she just kill a man and probably on a verge of being a serial killer, she may need a push in a well to be an actual serial killer, and Matsuoka just done that. very true, didn't think of that. |
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| I think if Narisihago finds out who John Walker may be in connection to his family's murder, he might try to escape and take things into his own hands or something like that. |
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Mayuka said: not sure if anime just bad or i'm missing something lol seems like all adults are useless except hondomachi what about Narisihago? He solved most until now. Most of Hondoumachi's deductions are huge jumps in logic with big risk, but I guess that's her character. |
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| Although I don't understand the story so much, I like Hondoumachi/real part rather than Sakaido/virtual part. Actually, it seemed the real investigation did much better than the virtual investigation in the latest case. Since Hondoumachi was assigned to imprisoned as a virtual investigator, we won't be able to see tense investigation anymore. (This may have denied the base of the plot unintentionally!?) |
kuroneko99Feb 5, 2020 6:59 AM
J891319 said: yea he's def useful but only useful when he's brainwashed inside an ID. it's surprising that the guy that works with hondomachi does nothing when she was dealing with the woman and man who loves the woman.Mayuka said: not sure if anime just bad or i'm missing something lol seems like all adults are useless except hondomachi what about Narisihago? He solved most until now. Most of Hondoumachi's deductions are huge jumps in logic with big risk, but I guess that's her character. |
FullyCharged said: Hmmm. I think the little girl won't be okay. The one who smashed her head on the drill. My bet is that now she will be controlled by that John dude thanks to this interaction... I hope to be wrong. My hope is becoming thinner after the last episodes...she's breaking. |
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| Damn Hondoumachi the GOAT, I really like her. Hope she doesn't become a criminal thou. |
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| i'm liking this a lot so far! |
I think I don't know wtf I'm doing. Maybe. Probably. |
Wytera said: Just stopping by to give my own interpretation of the last part of the episode. There seems to be some misconceptions about what Matsuoka said to Hondoumachi, and this may have been in-part due to to the English captioning for the episode. When Matsuoka told Hondoumachi that one of the prerequisites to being a brilliant detective was "You have to be a serial killer," he was moreso implying that a brilliant detective needed to have "a serial killer's tendency." He wasn't actually stating she was straight up a serial killer, but saying that she was straying very close to the thought process/actions/reasoning of a serial killer. This line of interpretation is supported by the fact that a couple seconds earlier, Matsuoka told Hondoumachi "I wish you didn't have it in you." He was wishing she didn't have the capacity to be a brilliant detective, which also means he was wishing she didn't have the capacity to think like a serial killer. The later dialogue between the two further implies that Matsuoka was very critical about how Hondoumachi's view of dishing out justice and dealing with criminals was in comparison to the rest of the police force. He was not a fan of her VIGILANTE-style of justice. This can be tied back to the first episode of ID: Invaded, where Hondoumachi was asking Matsuoka about being allowed to carry guns, with Matsuoka being against all field units having guns on their person. Matsuoka recommended her to become a brilliant detective both for the safety of himself and the rest of the field units working with him, but also as a way to keep her from hurting others or herself with her way of enacting justice. It was a misguided way to fixing this issue though, since Hondoumachi will most likely be emotionally scarred from this interaction. She looks up to him, but instead of warning her that the path she's taking will only lead to her ruin, he instead is trying to push her away from police work entirely. This in particular is something I've seen a lot of parents do to their kids. Instead of telling them what they did wrong and what they should have done, they instead tell them not to do it and punish them without clear explanation. On a side note, there also seems to be a kind of backstory to Hondoumachi with regards to serial killers in general. During the flashback to Genpei Oono's house, you can see her looking down on the false gravedigger killer with semi-dead eyes. This hints at some kind of bad history between her and killers, which further corroborates the idea that she is more likely to take a vigilante approach to dealing with criminals. Vigilantism is very much a thing that can happen to people, especially when they've been affected by certain events. Anyway, that's pretty much my interpretation of the last part of the episode. Your interpretation/observation is pretty spot on imo. Anyways, not much for me to say that hasn't been said about this episode in detail. That fight scene was too fantastical/ridiculous to me but eh. Anime has been good so far overall. One of the few winter shows I still look forward to seeing every week. |
DreddFeb 7, 2020 2:59 PM
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| The episode was beautiful Somewhat saddened at the end of the episode when Sakaido talk with Kaeru. And does what happened between Hondomachi and Matsuoka mean that he does not trust her? It seems to me. that Also, will we see Muku's killer? I am very excited ,Also very excited to see the real John Walker form as well |
| You can easily see how clever the show is. Clever =/= good, but of course clever > stupid. |
| they should have shown Sakaido's life at this point ......... |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
| The soundtrack is very good I'm liking the story so far, I hope I don't get disapointed by the ending |
| This anime makes me sleepy thanks to the asmr ost and voice acting, at the same time it makes me awake because of its curious plot, excellent! |
| Anime is fun. |
| The whole Kazuta’s death scene was weird, like, what’s the correct way to act, I accept that the scene started with Inami’s interrogation, but Kazuta making his appearance throwing knifes, which could be very dangerous, but he should be no problem against officers (trained) with guns, a fucking bullet went across Kazuta’s hole in his head like wtf, and Hondomachi murdered Kazuta and they just stood there like Inami wasn’t an accomplice. I think Kazuta should’ve died shot, unless the kiss was something really important, I guess. So, mizuhanome’s orginis are unknown, interesting. Matsuoka’s words were nothing than the truth, Hondomachi always acted strange, looking for danger, to be honest, I don’t really like her character. The Challenger about to appear, his murder method is disgusting. |
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| The bullet passed through a hole in the head = next level Matrix shit |
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| The gravedigger case is closed. Looks like Hondomachi will be joining the ranks of the detectives as well; not sure if that's a good or bad thing, with Matsuoka's words and all. |
| why did they made him dive for no reason ? didn't they already found out who was the killer and the rermain of the victims ? That shot tha twent through kazuta hole.. is that a reference to Highschool of the dead ? lmao So Hondomachi is turning into a serial killer ? At the very least she's kind of weird to figure out the true intention of that girl just by talking to her. |
 「 To other people, I might not have changed at all, but I feel like I was able to change... 」 |
| It seems our rookie could possibly be insane but I don't think that is the case since her getting herself drill was to help them find the killer. I think she is reckless if anything but man to know being a "Brilliant "detective" is a job title is insane. The requirements to be one sound shitty and you're pretty much a tool for the Police to solve cases and you got no social life. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| Wait so a brilliant detective has to be a serial killer, kinda expected seeing Hondomachi is a bit messed up in the head being able to kill Kazuta without hesistation to get some cognitive particles. |
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| Brilliant work by Hondoumachi, though I gotta ask if she's somewhat off in the head because of the hole-drilling event. Inami's coolness with everything that happened is disturbing. But if I'm completely honest I feel a bit of sympathy for her. It seems like a lot happened in her life that completely warped her mind, specifically her mother killing herself by jumping in front of a train and that train turned out to be the one that Inami herself was on. I wonder why Matsuoka did something like that. Could Matsuoka perhaps be the culprit, or is he really in a way afraid of what'll happen if Hondoumachi continues in the field? This show continues to be interesting, but I do feel that there's a certain something missing that I just can't put my finger on. |
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