Sweet said: Scerberosu said: The fact that you fully trust them doesn't have anything to do with this. A guy who fantasizes about you in private can still have self-control when it's due and still be a trustworthy friend; what they're thinking about while beating their meat isn't necessarily a problem per se. I fully trust them because I know them like the back of my hand, and no user on the internet can know better about how they think than myself. Look, I don’t care if you have wet dreams about your female friends, but don’t go around saying that every guy does the same. I think you can understand that everyone’s inner world is different without me having to explain it to you, right? Gotta hop in on this one. Soo naive to think that you know someone fully ;D You may think that you know them fully,but they have their own conscious and unconscious thoughts,thats how it works,they may respect you and have 200% self control and act professional but I can guarantee that they do sometimes have those thoughts of fucking you but will never show you unless they see a real chance. |
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Ever_Onward said: Now I'm curious about your looks :V This is going to sound like boasting, but almost every female friend I've had (and 3 of the 4 main ones) eventually developed some not-so-platonic feelings for me. It just happens. Not sure what else to say. It's a natural process. They confessed their feelings to me, and sometimes I honestly returned them, and others not so much. I confessed first a few times too. Of course, that's not to say that's the case for everyone. I'm sure there are completely platonic male-female relationships out there where the boundaries are firmly established and are never challenged. And so whatever vague temptations there are to make it sexual are ignored in the knowledge that it simply will not happen. Can I ask for a PM with your picture? The easiest way for there to be boundaries that are never challenged is when you have two people who earnestly don't find each other sexually attractive, although sometimes mutual attraction still somehow happens anyway along the way. People are just wired that way, asexual people aside. But none of that means that friendship isn't possible even when there's sexual attraction. Mutual respect goes a long way, and so does being faithful when you're already in a relationship. |
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Scerberosu said: Okay, perhaps I wasn't clear. It's not that I didn't understand the point you were trying to make, it's just that your premise is flawed. At no point have I said that "all men do X because I do X". I've simply said that "all men do X" based on my understanding of what men do (straight men to be precise), which goes far beyond just what I do personally. The "because I do X" part was added by you for your own convenience. Me: "it’s still impossible for me to understand how can someone think about having sex with every friend of the opposite sex they make." (look at how I didn't even mention men in the first place) You: "Welcome to how the male brain works." How can you be so sure as to "how male brains work exactly"? First and foremost, because you're a male yourself. And there are other men out there who fantasize about their female friends, yes. Just by reading through this thread you can find plenty of them. However, you can't conclude, by induction, that "all straight men think X or Y way" just by your personal experience (by personal I mean your own thoughts and what you've seen in other men). You can't say it's a fact. This is the type of fallacy I'm talking about: MatsuSpeeddraw said: I can guarantee that they do sometimes have those thoughts of fucking you but will never show you unless they see a real chance. Anyways, from what I can see we are not going to agree even if we spend 5 more hours talking about this, but I hope that at least I was able to express myself correctly. And by the way, you said in your other reply that sounded quite defensive: I am actually not. I'm just a bit intense with these things lol but I have nothing against you. :) |
 Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| If they're not attracted to each other, yes. If they are, it'll depend on how close their friendship is. I think if both parties find the other attractive and their friendship is close enough at least one will eventually develop romantic feelings. Humans are shallow creatures, it's just the way it is. |
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Sweet said: Scerberosu said: Okay, perhaps I wasn't clear. It's not that I didn't understand the point you were trying to make, it's just that your premise is flawed. At no point have I said that "all men do X because I do X". I've simply said that "all men do X" based on my understanding of what men do (straight men to be precise), which goes far beyond just what I do personally. The "because I do X" part was added by you for your own convenience. Me: "it’s still impossible for me to understand how can someone think about having sex with every friend of the opposite sex they make." (look at how I didn't even mention men in the first place) You: "Welcome to how the male brain works." How can you be so sure as to "how male brains work exactly"? First and foremost, because you're a male yourself. And there are other men out there who fantasize about their female friends, yes. Just by reading through this thread you can find plenty of them. However, you can't conclude, by induction, that "all straight men think X or Y way" just by your personal experience (by personal I mean your own thoughts and what you've seen in other men). You can't say it's a fact. This is the type of fallacy I'm talking about: MatsuSpeeddraw said: I can guarantee that they do sometimes have those thoughts of fucking you but will never show you unless they see a real chance. Anyways, from what I can see we are not going to agree even if we spend 5 more hours talking about this, but I hope that at least I was able to express myself correctly. And by the way, you said in your other reply that sounded quite defensive: I am actually not. I'm just a bit intense with these things lol but I have nothing against you. :) Oh, I can see that you're intense, no need to tell me that. I just think you're extremely naive if you claim to know for a fact that your guy friends have zero sexual thoughts about you, no matter how much you trust them, unless 1) They're gay/inert 2) You're so utterly hideous you send men running for their lives screamnig. |
| Why the hell can't they be friends or best friends? |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| this forum is so fucking pathetic do your dick immediately get hard from just having a conversation with a girl? |
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| @Scerberosu Yeah, tbh I'm really fucking ugly and that's why nobody would think sexually about me :// |
Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| Absolutely! I have plenty of female and male friends, we all get along and connect well. |
| Sure, if you as a guy isn't only hanging around because you're trying to fuck, and if you as a girl isn't being presumptuous about your male friend's intentions for being around you. Oriionx said: this forum is so fucking pathetic do your dick immediately get hard from just having a conversation with a girl? I like the cut of your jib, good sir. ...or ma'am. ...or non-binary. |
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| the only thing that matters is my 2D CharacterS |
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| If they couldn't, incest would be rampant. |
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| Yes that's called being friendzoned |
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| probably if it doesnt get messy. thats why probably lots of females (ive met) tend to friend gay guys |
| I'm not sure why everything has to revolve around attraction in this day and age. Can people be friends with those of their own sex? Yes. So why would the opposite be so intangible and impossible? |
  WORK IN PROGRESS ~The frog leapt forth to my lilypad memory.~ I was indoctrinated by an inamorata rabbit, Adenomata affronted. It was the verecund, dismissed creatures That I jubilated in most. This rabbit I would nurture, At the aiguille of esse, The anneal of noblesse. ❤️ Birdie ❤️ |
Bayek said: If they couldn't, incest would be rampant. Only in anime. Anyway, I do genuinely think it's not that hard even when you think the other person is attractive. You might dislike their personality as a partner or think it'd be a bad idea. |
| I see no reason to limit relations with others by mere labels to begin with since each individual one can be unique. I do mostly have female friends and even in cases we are attracted to eachother it doesn't get in the way of that at least on my side of things. |
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| Very possible! Throughout the years, I've became friends with a ton of guys with no strings attached. It's a nice change of pace. Although, the possibility of liking one of them or vice versa is still there. That's only natural, though. It doesn't mean we can't all get along! |
╔════════════════ • ❊ • ════════════════╗ Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind I want to get off, but I keep riding the ride I never really noticed that I had to decide To play someone's game, or live my own life - Get Free, Lana Del Rey  ╚════════════════ • ❊ • ════════════════╝ |
Ever_Onward said: Sweet said: @Scerberosu Yeah, tbh I'm really fucking ugly and that's why nobody would think sexually about me :// Dang, he really wants to get a rise out of you, huh? Nah, it's just that I'm too naive to understand his awesome logic. u w u I guess I should accept the truth that all men fantasize about banging every female in their lives ://// |
Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| If you're broken trash like me it's better to be friends, cause dating someone when you're not ok is not a good idea, I mean I doubt that any girl you end up meeting is going to date you if you're broken trash. |
  Ascended Taste I only came back to this site for the forum sets and to promote my RYM list... Anilist ftw still :dab: |
| Well, in my case, even if I don't find a female friend attractive at first, there's a chance that I might develop an attraction for her over time (unless they're obese). This doesn't mean I would immediately catch feelings for her but it's highly probable. I think it is possible to be just friends but only under certain circumstances, like lacking mutual attraction, dating other people, etc. |
| It's extremely difficult. I don't think they can, but that doesn't mean that a girl and a boy can't be friends. And as we say in my country, the exceptions don't necessarily break the rule. |
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| yep im a straight guy and there are girl even the cute ones whom i started talking to just a few days, it was VERY VERY tough and seriously like seriously so much huge task for me to talk to them but now i casually talk with them though i dont think they or even i consider them my good friends but still i dont feel much sexual attraction towards them as i started to get to know them so ya it is possible. Well there also this thing that before starting to talk to them i made sure in my mind to treat them not as sexual partners but as males and this kinda helped me pump down my 'straight guy finding mate thing' which used to make me awkward around girl and yes i do used to feel sexual attraction towards them before getting to know them but now? nah they re nothing special ones you get to know them. |
foscor70Sep 5, 2018 11:06 PM
| see.... your first mistake is thinking that girls are real and not some creature from a fairy tail. |
| Yes. Last school i had mainly female friends and this school also mainly female. Its just that uhm lets see.. Usually first day I talk with girls because ehm.. I'm not explaining why I like girls more than guys XD my best friends are all male though. Never ever ever got interested in them sexually.. I mean I sometimes look at her oppai >.> but that's okay I'm a male and straight! |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| Well a lot of the time if I make friends that are guys, they’re my friends boyfriends since they end up hanging out with us a lot. So there’s not much to worry about there and it’s easy to get along with them for the most part. |
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| I think it really depends on how desperate you are. If you're a normal person then you should be able to, but a thirsty person will look into things and always view males/females as fresh meat. |
| of course they can you horny fucksss |
| They sure can. And even if you consider other person attractive, it doesn't have to interrupt friendship or change it into romantic relationship. |
| Not saying it's impossible but it can be risky cause who knows when one party is gonna start wanting more, also it can be super problematic if you're in a relationship and your partner keeps seeing you and that friend really close but that's just one outcome, it can certainly work if you put in the effort and are both tenacious enough to keep it at that level |
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YaoiMaster said: I'm not sure why everything has to revolve around attraction in this day and age. Can people be friends with those of their own sex? Yes. So why would the opposite be so intangible and impossible? It's not a "this day and age" thing. It's biology. As with all living things, we are biologically hardwired to continue on the species. This isn't the case for every individual, as genetics we very from individual to individual. but when looking at the whole human species, the majority of us are going to attracted to someone, and the majority of those attracted to the opposite sex, just because that's the way we were designed. |
| man straight people sure have some silly problems don't they |
| Of course. And even if there is sexual tension, that shouldn't be a problem. If you're an adult you should be able to separate such feelings so that they're not problematic. For instance, I can be friends with let's say "Sarah" and think she's really hot and would really love to have sex with her, but realize we don't have a connection like that so it's best to just stay friends instead of being weird about it. |
| I mean....yeah? That's a really dumb question.... Friendships with the same gender are usually easier, but the opposite is possible. |
Oriionx said: this forum is so fucking pathetic do your dick immediately get hard from just having a conversation with a girl? Gets hard taking a crap sometimes. That sucks. |
| Just my two cents. I used to think that men and women cant be just friends. But shit, of course they can be, unless other feelings complicate it, then they arnt friends anymore. I personally dont have any female friends, and honestly dont think i would want any, i dont need the possibility of such complications and frankly, they dont offer anything in a relationship that i cant get elsewhere without having to worry about complications. |
| yes. i've been friends with a lot of guys and i've seen young people of opposite sex and different orientations who have strong friendships. i think television and mass media made us think that this isn't possible. |
| Of course they can. I have developed some pretty good platonic relationships with various girl friends since elementary school. Besides, just like someone already mentioned before in this thread by that logic bisexuals cannot be friends with other human beings. |
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| Yes, they can, but societal expectations have not made it easy. Unless either the girl or the guy is, ya know, gay. It all boils down to how much value you place on friendship. If you think of the 'friend zone' as something negative, you're already doomed. Learn to be happy without a romantic relationship. Take pride and enjoyment in the things you do. Then you won't feel so desperate to get a relationship, and you will be able to enjoy being friends. |
| "Bang." -Spike Spiegal "Everything... is connected." -Lain Iwakura "Life is too short to watch bad anime. Long Live the 1st Episode Drop." -InkSpider "Anime fans make me embarrassed to be an anime fan." -InkSpider |
| not without sex being part of the friendship naturally lol |
 アニメの幼女を見てるのが楽しいぜ |
| I can be a really good guy friend for you ladies. But you've gotta pay. Ain't no way I'm listening to you all yammer on about your fat ass and your exboyfriend drama without money. |
| Yes,is not necessary to be sexual tension between girls and boys,some boys see some girls as friends and vice versa. Idk why people nowadays think that if someone see a girl and a boy together,theyre a actually couple,is just wrong to think that way in the first place and besides,everyone have different standards so its not like they be a couple on the first sight. |
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