| it still objectively wrong to attracted to real life kids... fiction is differet debate... |
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FoeToeMoe said: >Also it is not fair to compare violence in anime with Loli as violence is completely different. It is a pretty fair comparison considering that when you kill a person in a video game, no one in real life actually dies, just like how when a lolicon jacks off to a loli, no kid in real life is being harmed. I completely agree that when you kill someone in an anime(edit: meant to say video game) no one dies in real life, as well as no kid is being harmed in real life. I still stand by my original statement its not fair comparing death to sexual acts. 2 different topics as I believe. Death and destruction, as scary it is, completely normal. People die, things get destroyed, its what we accept as a society since its so often. However, sex with children is not okay by today standards which is why loli gets the reputation it gets. In my opinion its borderline CP. |
KraykenAug 12, 2018 8:07 PM
| warning this idiot is a professional retard |
| bc most people r not pedos and do not approve of pedophilia |
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| Does Megumin count as a Loli? Cause if it does , I'm GUILTY. |
| It sucks, but anime is getting more popular and result of that is normies are starting to see and get heated over otaku content, It's not even exclusively to loli, even a seventeen year old anime girl that involved in fanservice are going to upset those people. |
Dillicious said: It sucks, but anime is getting more popular and result of that is normies are starting to see and get heated over otaku content, It's not even exclusively to loli, even a seventeen year old anime girl that involved in fanservice are going to upset those people. Yeah, this makes sense. Lolis have literally been around forever. Most of the people that hate them seem to think they're some sort of "hot new trend", but really, they have been around for decades! |
| There seems to be very 2 different notions: In Japan itself and outside Japan. In Japan, it is believed that lolis materials helps to prevent real cases of child pornography from happening as those people get to satiate their urges with them. Outside Japan however, it is looked as they are harmful because they encourage people to conduct these acts irl. Just like how the reason for "violent games promote violent tendencies", the West and everyone outside Japan believes this notion is applicable to everything else, including lolis. If we look from a history point of view, there have been cases where foreigners would just casually grope women on the train because they believe the chikan stuff they watch is normal. Though that doesn't really have anything to do with 2D/3D materials, one can't help but to acknowledge the fact that there are some pretty unique "Japan only" problems(chikan etc) that reinforces the notion of "watching X have the tendency to promote it irl". Since child pornography is a VERY SENSITIVE topic worldwide, there are a lot of debates about whether does lolis actually bring more harm than good and what not. It's ultimately about deciding whether does that protect irl children or not that spark the entire debate about morality of lolis |
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For the same reason people cared too much about morality when Lolita was released (despite the fact that the child AND the man were both fictional). Things didn't change that much in the minds, what changed was only the environment with the explosion of younger peoples sexualization / "objectification" (sorry if it'z not a word). Krayken said: The problem is any sexual activity with a child is wrong in the real world "Any"? Shouldn't the term be "illegal" ? |
Jare4lopez said: Does Megumin count as a Loli? Cause if it does , I'm GUILTY. I don't think so? She has a petite body but she doesn't look like a kid in my perspective. |
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| From a BBC news article -''This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.'' My opinion:-It's utterly ridiculous it's like saying playing CS will make you a potential terrorist. Also they expect it to get banned until the 2020 olympics. -"By 2020, when the Summer Olympics will take place in Japan, we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture." It's a description which supporters of manga strongly reject. But as the Olympics approach, outside eyes will turn to Japan, exerting a powerful pressure for manga and anime to be part of what people see as "cool Japan" rather than "weird Japan". My opinion:-They're telling me that in about 2 years a huge revolution is going to happen and anime will cease to be anime . |
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Jare4lopez said: Does Megumin count as a Loli? Cause if it does , I'm GUILTY. Tennouji said: Jare4lopez said: Does Megumin count as a Loli? Cause if it does , I'm GUILTY. I don't think so? She has a petite body but she doesn't look like a kid in my perspective. megumine is definetly a loli ...... ? |
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| People care about morality regarding lolis so that they appear "morally righteous/virtuous or superior" to others, regardless of reality or fiction. Humans have the tendency to project their ideals onto others. It takes a lot of effort, intellectual honesty and patience to not pass quick judgements on others. If you have mentally evolved to the point where you can clearly draw a line between fact and fiction, you are doing it right sir ;) |
That's why said "in my perspective". |
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Fate_Saber88 said: From a BBC news article -''This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.'' My opinion:-It's utterly ridiculous it's like saying playing CS will make you a potential terrorist. Also they expect it to get banned until the 2020 olympics. -"By 2020, when the Summer Olympics will take place in Japan, we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture." It's a description which supporters of manga strongly reject. But as the Olympics approach, outside eyes will turn to Japan, exerting a powerful pressure for manga and anime to be part of what people see as "cool Japan" rather than "weird Japan". My opinion:-They're telling me that in about 2 years a huge revolution is going to happen and anime will cease to be anime . That's just rubbish. Japan does not succumb to peer pressure and they have deflected UN attempts once a few years ago. Whoever who wrote the article need a dose of reality. 大日本帝国バンザイ! |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
Jiharo said: Spot on,here is someone of culture responding to such travesty.Fate_Saber88 said: From a BBC news article -''This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.'' My opinion:-It's utterly ridiculous it's like saying playing CS will make you a potential terrorist. Also they expect it to get banned until the 2020 olympics. -"By 2020, when the Summer Olympics will take place in Japan, we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture." It's a description which supporters of manga strongly reject. But as the Olympics approach, outside eyes will turn to Japan, exerting a powerful pressure for manga and anime to be part of what people see as "cool Japan" rather than "weird Japan". My opinion:-They're telling me that in about 2 years a huge revolution is going to happen and anime will cease to be anime . That's just rubbish. Japan does not succumb to peer pressure and they have deflected UN attempts once a few years ago. Whoever who wrote the article need a dose of reality. 大日本帝国バンザイ! "There's every reason to be critical, that's fine," says manga translator and free-speech advocate Dan Kanemitsu. "But when you give people the authority to police others based on what they might do or what they think, that's thought-policing." "I'm not comfortable with it, but it is not my right to tell people how they think or what they want to share," he says. "As long as it doesn't infringe upon people's human rights, what's wrong with having a fantasy life?" |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| People are so caught up with feeling good about themselves by being self righteously outraged with things that doesn't really affect them tbh. |
FoeToeMoe said: They're drawings! I don't care what type of logic you try to use on me, it all gets thrown to the trash when you go back to the fact that, lolis are drawings! It's not like someone's going to hurt them, SENSE THEY AREN'T EVEN REAL! They don't have feelings or a nervious system. And if you actually believe people should be arrested for the possesion of loli hentai, you're an idiot. > Why do people care so much about morality with lolis? Basically, lolis look like children. They look more like children than real children do. And children bring out people's desire to protect them. It is not rational, it is an instinct ingrained way before humanity. That's why you hear stories about people brought up by wolves and monkeys. That's why you care about those cute kittens. It doesn't matter than an anime loli doesn't look human, they've got all those "neoteny" markers. People with strong rationality and habits of overriding their emotions can keep a cool head about whatever happens to imaginary lolis. Most people aren't like that. That's why you can expect an anime loli to survive ordeals that would have killed a platoon of special forces. The audience (and possibly the authors) care about her too much to let her die. Unless it's one of the stories where she gets to die for audience sympathy. On the rational front, the debate goes between people with the "sublimation" theory and the "instigation" theory. The first group of people believe that as long as pedophile has a steady supply of lolis and a conscience, he would not go raping real people. The second group of people believe that an ordinary person who watches anything involving lolis gradually transforms into a tentacle monster. |
| Coz people have a bad habit of generalising things. For Example let us suppose there is a person who is reading news about a pedophile raping a minor. Police checks that Pedo's personal belongings and finds loli hentai and magazines. So the guy reading the news gets to the coclusion that those stuffs were the reasons why he became a pedo and will start thinking that anyone who possess loli porn is a pedo who likes to sexualise kids irl. Sure, it might be true for that particular criminal but not everyone is like that. But people will always generalise the fact. Its the sad truth and u cant change that. I personally dont like sexualising lolis. But like others said if someone is into that, i dont mind. As long as he knows where to draw a line between fiction and reality. Everyone has a fetish or two, there is no problem with that. In fact, anime is all bout exploring weird fetishes lol. |
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| It's not so much what they are, but what they represent, maybe? I honestly don't know or care. Cute stuff with lolis is fine, it's the hentai that's just fucking wrong. |
| in my country, although reading child pornography be legal (if it is fictional) but the ambiguity of the text allows people to be imprisoned for having the physical material. He was not imprisoned but had his name smuggled into child pornography but his social image was ruined. I can not answer why such sensitivity (besides taboo and fear) but I can say that the lack of commitment of the authorities is relevant. |
No-a-nimeAug 13, 2018 4:42 AM
| heh. |
| Why do people constantly create threads like this ? |
| My answer is the same as always, I guess. Parents and society in general instill a fear and hatred of these things in children and generate a taboo around it in order to protect their children from predatory practices. And to me, that's fine, at the end of the day the taboo ostensibly exists to protect children from things that legitimately can harm and damage them quite a bit. Protecc the kiddies from some actual harm, instill things in them that will let them protecc themselves to some degree if the need arises. All's fine there, not wanting to cause some revolutionary societal upheaval to rid that taboo. My sympathy and tolerance for the sexual desires of others only extends so far, no actual victims really need to ever come from it to any extent. Then, going on from there and to the case of lolicon and fiction, I'm much less understanding. It usually comes across like quite a number of people aren't able to get past as much and view everything through that lens, never swapping it out according to any number of variables that could be potentially taken into consideration, just reaching a direct point A to point B conclusion and applying it on a broad, sweeping, holistic level indiscriminately. I don't think the taboo or same problems should even be in the same discussion with loli and fictional material, even though I'm not into it myself, because the primary issue has always been protecting children from harm, and I think that caring too much about it is often a result of people getting too carried away in what they've known for practically all of their lives. Maybe they convince themselves that they're still doing so through this, but I think that's a pretty stupid outlook that doesn't really amount to much in the way of actually doing anything whatsoever. Never will make these things and these desires vanish, and forcibly repressing them as opposed to trying to provide legitimately healthier outlets for these things seems like the much more ineffective and ludicrous option to me. |
ManabanAug 13, 2018 4:18 AM
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AuronAug 13, 2018 4:26 AM
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Jiharo said: There seems to be very 2 different notions: In Japan itself and outside Japan. In Japan, it is believed that lolis materials helps to prevent real cases of child pornography from happening as those people get to satiate their urges with them. Outside Japan however, it is looked as they are harmful because they encourage people to conduct these acts irl. Just like how the reason for "violent games promote violent tendencies", the West and everyone outside Japan believes this notion is applicable to everything else, including lolis. If we look from a history point of view, there have been cases where foreigners would just casually grope women on the train because they believe the chikan stuff they watch is normal. Though that doesn't really have anything to do with 2D/3D materials, one can't help but to acknowledge the fact that there are some pretty unique "Japan only" problems(chikan etc) that reinforces the notion of "watching X have the tendency to promote it irl". Since child pornography is a VERY SENSITIVE topic worldwide, there are a lot of debates about whether does lolis actually bring more harm than good and what not. It's ultimately about deciding whether does that protect irl children or not that spark the entire debate about morality of lolis Don't bring in the West they're retarded. The notion of belief that violent games cause violent tendencies is complete rubbish and there have been more than enough studies published that find no connections between the two. Fact is people definitely do have common sense to diffenetiate between what's a game and what's real life. The same goes for anime as well. Lolis look like little kids but realistically aren't little kids, and i'm 100% sure their existence isn't a countermeasure to pedophelia. When people want to do something wrong they look for the real life thing not drawings of it, so pedos would exist in the same number they do today with or without lolis. |
AstZeroAug 13, 2018 5:24 AM
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
Fate_Saber88 said: From a BBC news article -''This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.'' My opinion:-It's utterly ridiculous it's like saying playing CS will make you a potential terrorist. Also they expect it to get banned until the 2020 olympics. -"By 2020, when the Summer Olympics will take place in Japan, we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture." It's a description which supporters of manga strongly reject. But as the Olympics approach, outside eyes will turn to Japan, exerting a powerful pressure for manga and anime to be part of what people see as "cool Japan" rather than "weird Japan". My opinion:-They're telling me that in about 2 years a huge revolution is going to happen and anime will cease to be anime . Yeah, Japan also threatened to shut down all anime streaming sites and it kinda didn't work out lol. Plus it's BBC it's full of morons and you can see that by their first sentence in the article. It doesn't normalise, facilitate or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse cause people actually have common sense and a conscience to differentiate between reality and fiction, the same way they know the difference between what's a game and what's real life. If people want to do something wrong they will do it, with or without anime or games. Oh and people that do something(law breaking that is) just cause they saw it in a game show, movie, anime or game(or any other kind of piece of entertainment) need to be put in a mental hospital. |
AstZeroAug 13, 2018 5:27 AM
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
| Because media reflects the society which produced it, along with the fandom which consumes it. There is a reason lewding the dragon loli is highly discouraged, that being that the character in question, regardless of how old she is canonically by virtue of being a long-lived draconian creature, is presented, and resolves to the viewer, as a wide-eyed and psychologically vulnerable child. Rhetorical: To whom does such a normalisation appeal? One of the words in that question is key and I bet anyone here can pick it out. I can understand finding lolis adorable in the same way that one finds a real life child or a puppy adorable; sadly, surrounding such a relatively innocuous moe culture is a darker, sleazier, more potentially predatory under-belly that seems to be exclusive to paedophilic circles and cancerous, weeb-centric meme culture. What is the worth in catering to either of them? |
SchmengieAug 13, 2018 5:53 AM
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Fate_Saber88 said: From a BBC news article -''This is what worries critics - the concern that even if no-one is harmed in the creation of sexually explicit manga, it might normalise, facilitate, or lead to an increased risk of sexual abuse.'' My opinion:-It's utterly ridiculous it's like saying playing CS will make you a potential terrorist. The difference is that in Counter Strike, you're bombing an objective that's not even clearly defined. It's a sterilized target. You bomb a bunch of boxes, whoopee-doo. You don't know why you're bombing it. You don't derive perverse pleasure from bombing. Bombing it is simply a win condition. What you get off to, that's a different thing. Deeper urges than just simply "winning" are involved there. You can see why people would be concerned. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree. I'm not sure I do, actually, but I get where they're coming from. |
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