How do you feel about the show and people who are bored by it?
| I voted: I find the show interesting and can't see how someone would find it boring unless they have short attention span. If you find this show boring then you're missing the subtext. The show is slow-moving, and that's intentional. This show is about a war machine learning to be human. Violet doesn't understand what emotions are, they've been systematically removed from her. She's a tragic character - she has no idea how to be a person, she only knows how to be a solider. This is reflected in how she approaches other characters, and more importantly how she approaches herself. She is incapable of self-reflection. She has this incredibly debilitating psychological condition, but proceeds through life as well as she can, even when faced with a world she doesn't understand and problems she doesn't know how to solve. The episodes so far have been establishing who Violet is - what the war has made her. Only now that we've had 3 episodes of contrast between Violet's machine soldier personality and the characters and world she finds herself in can we start to see some degree of growth as she learns how to acknowledge and understand her traumatic and tragic past. If you didn't get feels when Violet delivered the letter to her classmate's brother then you probably should drop the series because it's not for you. --- Note: I am reading from people who are familiar with the source material that KyoAni is going anime original with this instead of adapting the source material accurately. It's quite possible this anime can still end up shitting the bed if KyoAni goes too far off the rails. Nothing is certain until the anime is completed, but what we've seen so far seems pretty damn good to me (as someone not familiar with the source material). |
MatorJan 25, 2018 6:24 PM
| I find the show to be pretty interesting and I'm fine with the snail pacing, it actually feels more comfortable to watch and I'm still curious as to what the show will deliver once it's done with its exposition. They did a great job setting up the atmosphere for the anime. Although I can see why people wouldn't find this entertaining when they were expecting something else. I mean things of this genre usually get overlooked when not overhyped and I guess the hype was one of the factors where even those that weren't a fan of this type of anime were dragged into watching and thus hating it. I don't think people just like it for the pretty art/animation and sound. Even if those factors are taken away, I'd probably still enjoy the show as much as I do now. |
Mator said: I voted: I find the show interesting and can't see how someone would find it boring unless they have short attention span. Mator said: The show is slow-moving, and that's intentional. Uh... Why, thank you for the default assumptions that others, who think differently than you or may not have the same views as you, are somehow less learned, understanding or capable of analysis...I guess. And "if you don't get that the show is doing A thing for B purpose or didn't like C moment, that means the series is not for you, just drop it" paired with "this show is supposed to be slow-moving, you know" was the most amusing part of your commentary for me personally. Because...surprise, I enjoy slowly paced series usually a hell of a lot more than fast-paced ones. I love my slow burning narratives. They have more space for building up the atmosphere and developing cast of main characters, making them more like living, breathing human beings, instead of flashy cookie-cutter anime tropes. "Slow paced" does not equal "boring" or "uneventful" in any way by default. I was, if anything, expecting it to be slow, methodical and introspective. But I don't feel and see that the show uses its' time wisely. So far, it just repeats its' main themes, ideas and points over and over and over again for the past three episodes. (And Violet's personality and traumatic past were fully established in the first episode, honestly.) It's not just "slow-paced" anymore, it's dragging tediously. |
AlexandepJan 26, 2018 9:05 AM
| Just like Made In Abyss or Steins;Gate first few Episodes are Boring but when reaches its climax it will be GOLD |
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Alexandep said: But I don't feel and see that the show uses its' time wisely. So far, it just repeats its' main themes, ideas and points over and over and over again for the past three episodes. (And Violet's personality and traumatic past were fully established in the first episode, honestly.) It's not just "slow-paced" anymore, it's dragging tediously. That's why the story is mainly separate stories which focus on the customers Violet goes to. Each are unique and go deep into the customers' pasts and feelings. |
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| I personally like the show and I'm also surprised of myself that I'm not getting bored by it. I guess the visuals are interesting too. I do understand why a lot of people find it boring and overrated, and it's also about different tastes, I can't judge someone just because they don't like the same things as me. I usually never drop an anime and I'll continue watching this, I just hope it'll get more interesting in the following episodes. It will have 14 episodes but I can't understand what will they include in them, because everyday life in that anime is so.. peaceful. |
Violet-Everaped said: its just overrated !! happens when there is too much boku no pico fans I'm pretty sure a show is overrated when someone decides to create a special account just to hate on it lol xD |
| I'll first state that I don't keep up to date on recent anime coming out, so I have no idea what's been hyped for the season. The trailer for this just came up after I completed a series on Netflix and didn't immediately return to the menu. The story sounded intriguing enough for me so I gave it a shot. I definitely like the war story aspect more than the workplace one, that part can be a little slow. I can definitely see why people would find it boring, but I've kind of warmed up to Violet enough(cold as she can be at times) to keep watching to see how her story plays out and what kind of answers she gets. Talk of it being overhyped seems definitely founded though. |
| It's simply show not for everyone like many expected. MC is female, in love with man, she has mental issues and there is no character for selfinsertfags, there is no yuri or fujobait. It's not an action show. Obviously shitload of people doesn't like it. |
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| The one thing that got me pushed for this anime is the novel. I'm not gonna lie that the visuals on this anime is quite amazing. But since that KyoAni is not adapting the novel for the moment, they focused on building Violet's personality. I agree that the pacing is slow, like really slow. I'm fine with that. IMO, I think that the short PV may be responsible for the hype of this show since it showed us the short action scene-ish. But, at the end of the day, it is still drama, not action. So if you're looking for an action-related genre, looks like Violet Evergarden is not for you. |
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| From my experience people throw the "its boring" argument at a lot of Kyoani shows so it's nothing new. |
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ReddayeSocks said: From my experience people throw the "its boring" argument at a lot of Kyoani shows so it's nothing new. "it's boring" is not an argument. It is a statement about the viewers' experience. |
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Alexandep said: Uh... Why, thank you for the default assumptions that others, who think differently than you or may not have the same views as you, are somehow less learned, understanding or capable of analysis...I guess. I didn't write the text for that vote option. I wouldn't have phrased it that way, but it was the closest to how I feel about the criticisms this show has been getting so far. Honestly, I find a lot of anime fans have very short attention spans and don't understand how slow, character-driven story-telling creates investment so events later the anime have greater impact (see the first episodes of Steins;Gate). Also, thank you for putting words in my mouth. I never said or assumed that others who have a different perspective than me are less learned/capable of analysis. The point of my post was me saying: "This is what I think the series is doing, and I think it's doing it well." And "I disagree with people who find this show boring - I do not find it boring." The purpose of this thread was to discuss this very point. Alexandep said: And "if you don't get that the show is doing A thing for B purpose or didn't like C moment, that means the series is not for you, just drop it" paired with "this show is supposed to be slow-moving, you know" was the most amusing part of your commentary for me personally. Again, that text was not my words, it was what the OP wrote as one of the vote options. I copy-pasted the text from the vote into my post to give people the advantage of knowing how I voted in the OP. There were only 4 options in the OP, and the next one down from that one was "I don't find the anime boring but I can see how other people would", which wasn't the position I was interested in taking (because I honestly can't see how people would find this anime boring unless they aren't understanding it). And yes, I think if people don't feel any emotional connection to the characters/appreciate what is clearly intended to be a moving scene, they're probably better off dropping the show. That's a recommendation which I'm making based what I perceive in the show's direction. You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to accuse me of being arrogant/preachy when all I'm doing is making an observation and a recommendation based upon my subjective interpretation of the show. Alexandep said: Because...surprise, I enjoy slowly paced series usually a hell of a lot more than fast-paced ones. I love my slow burning narratives. They have more space for building up the atmosphere and developing cast of main characters, making them more like living, breathing human beings, instead of flashy cookie-cutter anime tropes. "Slow paced" does not equal "boring" or "uneventful" in any way by default. I was, if anything, expecting it to be slow, methodical and introspective. That's great! I like shows with slow-moving plots too so long as they take the time to develop their characters or world in a meaningful way. Keep in mind: my post was not addressed to you. My post wasn't addressed to any individual. I didn't quote any post you made in the thread, so don't take what I said so personally. This isn't about "me" and "you", this is about my perspective on the anime Violet Evergarden and my response to people who say the show is boring (and create a discussion topic asking other people if they find it boring with a suggestive poll open to alternative opinions). Alexandep said: But I don't feel and see that the show uses its' time wisely. So far, it just repeats its' main themes, ideas and points over and over and over again for the past three episodes. (And Violet's personality and traumatic past were fully established in the first episode, honestly.) It's not just "slow-paced" anymore, it's dragging tediously. Finally, some meat to your post that amounts to more than a personal attack! I think that the show using its time inefficiently could be a legitimate criticism. That said, I personally don't feel particularly anxious/impatient with it yet. I think these episodes have served some purpose in establishing Violet's character, though I think 2 episodes could have been sufficient to do that. That said, doing what has been done so far in 2 episodes could have lost some narrative realism in illustrating how deep-set Violet's mental conditioning is. Even if it is somewhat repetitive and if the narrative suffers for this, I could see potential flaws with taking a more straightforward approach. So far, I think the anime has shown some promise in presenting interesting characters in an interesting setting. It's taken a prodigious amount of runtime to do so, and hasn't really gone into depth on any characters other than Violet and Luculia. It also hasn't really done much to expand on the world. That said, I think all of these issues will be resolved quite quickly in the next few episodes. I doubt the story will continue to drag its feet all the way through 14 episodes (though I could of course be wrong). |
| I voted for the last option. I think this anime is geared towards romanticism - the poetic meaning of 'I love you' rather than its literal meaning. I mean, wouldn't it be hilarious if everybody around Violet thought that was what she was looking for, but it turns out all she wanted was just the definition, one which she stumbled upon in a dictionary when she went to a bookstore in Leiden? But I digress. It doesn't make sense that they have automail technology in 19-20th century when we can't even manage that in 2018, but I still love this anime as a romantic drama. It's got so much feels; something hard to come by in anime nowadays. Also, it's about an almost-robot-soldier girl's personal journey to become a human again through her clients. It explores human emotions. So I can see why people who expected it to be a war time slugfest or Holy Grail fight to be boring. Mismatched expectations, I guess. |
TheSmilingShoujoJan 28, 2018 2:50 AM
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| i heard this show went full retard and didn't follow orignal source at all? all of episode goes full filler? some people even compare it to musaigen because how awfully different the distortion between original source and the adaptation.. can somebody confirm? |
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TheSmilingShoujo said: Yeah that anachronism bothers me too. If they have the technology for artificial limbs, why does she need to type with her hand when they can just build a typewriter/printer into her? That would seem a more useful feature for an auto-memory-doll. Just put a roll of paper into her arm and out comes printed text. Can even put in a dot matrix sound effect.It doesn't make sense that they have automail technology in 19-20th century when we can't even manage that in 2018 |
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Username23489023 said: Yeah that anachronism bothers me too. If they have the technology for artificial limbs, why does she need to type with her hand when they can just build a typewriter/printer into her? That would seem a more useful feature for an auto-memory-doll. Just put a roll of paper into her arm and out comes printed text. Can even put in a dot matrix sound effect. It'll look funny lol. Given the setting and automail, I thought it was the same author for Full Metal Alchemist but it's a different person. |
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Kuma said: i heard this show went full retard and didn't follow orignal source at all? all of episode goes full filler? some people even compare it to musaigen because how awfully different the distortion between original source and the adaptation.. can somebody confirm? They are not necessarily fillers. KyoAni are simply covering what the novel didn't: how Violet became a doll. This is the structure of the novel: (put in spoiler tag just in case) From this you can clearly see that the novel is not starting from Violet as a completely oblivious person who is emotionless. KyoAni probably expected that it would be easier for the audience to understand if they adapted the novel chronologically, starting from chapter 6-8. Episode 1 was an adaptation of Chapter 8, which focused on Violet getting discharged from hospital and also gets to know Hodgins' company. For chapters 6 and 7, which cover everything from Violet's discovery until the end of the war, they have been (only partly) shown as flashbacks in episode 1 and episode 2. I hope they get an episode each, but I may be wrong. Episode 2 and 3 are mainly (episode 2 98% and episode 3 100%) extra content, focusing on how Violet becomes a doll. Hopefully the next episode starts on her adventures, which is the biggest part of the novel. As for how well they have adapted the novel, that's something else. First things first, everyone knows that a lot of the dialogue from the novel is reduced in the anime adaptation. Here's the other differences between the anime and novel so far, but I have no choice to include some spoilers. Don't worry, they're not big spoilers. |
Major_GilbertJan 28, 2018 2:28 PM
"Le vent se lève!... Il faut tenter de vivre!" - Paul Valéry, Le Cimetière Marin - |
| was gonna post my thoughts but Veronin said: Most KyoAni shows are driven by the art and music. Many anime fans are more interested in 'looks nice, sounds nice' than story or characterisation. Hence the high ratings. You are not alone. yeah, this sums it up pretty nicely. sat through the entire first 2 episodes thinking "well the music and animation is beautiful, but when will the writers give me a reason to care about the main character?" i'm still waiting |
Major_Gilbert said: Kuma said: i heard this show went full retard and didn't follow orignal source at all? all of episode goes full filler? some people even compare it to musaigen because how awfully different the distortion between original source and the adaptation.. can somebody confirm? They are not necessarily fillers. KyoAni are simply covering what the novel didn't: how Violet became a doll. This is the structure of the novel: (put in spoiler tag just in case) From this you can clearly see that the novel is not starting from Violet as a completely oblivious person who is emotionless. KyoAni probably expected that it would be easier for the audience to understand if they adapted the novel chronologically, starting from chapter 6-8. Episode 1 was an adaptation of Chapter 8, which focused on Violet getting discharged from hospital and also gets to know Hodgins' company. For chapters 6 and 7, which cover everything from Violet's discovery until the end of the war, they have been (only partly) shown as flashbacks in episode 1 and episode 2. I hope they get an episode each, but I may be wrong. Episode 2 and 3 are mainly (episode 2 98% and episode 3 100%) extra content, focusing on how Violet becomes a doll. Hopefully the next episode starts on her adventures, which is the biggest part of the novel. As for how well they have adapted the novel, that's something else. First things first, everyone knows that a lot of the dialogue from the novel is reduced in the anime adaptation. Here's the other differences between the anime and novel so far, but I have no choice to include some spoilers. Don't worry, they're not big spoilers. it is 3 episode and they done 2 episode filler? will they adapted novel complitely? sound impossible to me... |
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Sharri said: Really. Why is she taking off her gloves with her mouth? Seriously. i laugh every time she does that! besides it'd be more logical to keep them gloves on.... |
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peh-soh-nah said: Veronin said: Yeah, I can believe that but what I'm wondering is what exactly is missing from this show that makes it less interesting than other shows, even from this season, that have lesser production value and things going for it. Maybe, it is just characterization.Most KyoAni shows are driven by the art and music. Many anime fans are more interested in 'looks nice, sounds nice' than story or characterisation. Hence the high ratings. You are not alone. Eh, the show is very focused on visual characterization and narrative. I'd say that the story is simply not engaging to you, which is understandable because it has a pacing, an environment and deals with themes that not everybody is going to find interesting (Ghostwriting? Finding the meaning of love?). I myself kind of like this Victorian setting but it's not my exact favorite, so it's the classic melodrama vibes and themes what sell the show to me. There's no reason to force yourself to like this, since it's taste and preferences. But don't listen to the first random shit somebody throws at you, much less when it tries to reduce the appeal of a KyoAni show to "pretty colors". |
jal90Jan 28, 2018 6:07 PM
| I mean no mate you are really not alone on that one. I know a lot of people that are lukewarm on Violet Evergarden me included. That's why it always facinates me to get in the forum here and see so many praise the show even calling it AotY.For me it is not even close to my Top 3 for even this season. Compared to Sangatsu S2 or Sora Yori the storytelling and characterization lokk like they were written by a child. ^^' |
Sorreh said: Lmao people repeating the same bullshit on kyoani saing that is just pretty and nothing more On en est pas loin pour Violet pourtant. :p |
| I chose option 2, but I don't think it's so much that I found it boring. I've only seen 2 episodes of it, and breaking the 3 episode rule here, but it just didn't click with me and I feel like I generally have a good feel for if I am going to enjoy a show. I didn't really care for the premise, the setting, and what I assume is the main character. I hear it gets better after 5ish episodes. I've already dropped it, but maybe someday I'll come back to give it another shot. I will say that I would expect great things from Kyoto Animation, and maybe this particular offering just wasn't for me. I generally feel if people like it, if it gets high scores and high praise, then it must be a good show to the audience it caters to, and leave it at that. I really feel like the world would be a better place if alot of people adopted that mindset. |
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| Overhyped piece of shit. |
| I find the show interesting but can see why people find it boring. |
evaw said: Overhyped piece of shit. I won't be this blunt, but it's not far from what I think. It looks pretty, the animation is beautiful but everything story and character related is so underwhelming. It makes me mad that KyoAni can produce such beautiful looking work but waste it on something so forgettable. |
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| I found it boring and completely uninteresting, was watching only coz it looks good:) that was until i randomly didn't watch one ep after it was released mid season and then never catched up. Probably most boring anime that i tried watching this season. |
| No OP you are not alone in your jorney of boring violet evergarden , the only good thing on violet are music and art , other stuff is pretty bad imo , so it found out violet evergarden surprisingly boring |
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| well KyoAni has its hater fanbase as well, tbf....just like A1 Pictures does....honestly Violet Evergarden to me is perhaps the only one where it wasn't just the animation that was appealing to me....no offense to anyone here who may not agree with this in the end, it's all on preferences and it's all subjective at best |
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Major_Gilbert said: Kuma said: i heard this show went full retard and didn't follow orignal source at all? all of episode goes full filler? some people even compare it to musaigen because how awfully different the distortion between original source and the adaptation.. can somebody confirm? They are not necessarily fillers. KyoAni are simply covering what the novel didn't: how Violet became a doll. This is the structure of the novel: (put in spoiler tag just in case) From this you can clearly see that the novel is not starting from Violet as a completely oblivious person who is emotionless. KyoAni probably expected that it would be easier for the audience to understand if they adapted the novel chronologically, starting from chapter 6-8. Episode 1 was an adaptation of Chapter 8, which focused on Violet getting discharged from hospital and also gets to know Hodgins' company. For chapters 6 and 7, which cover everything from Violet's discovery until the end of the war, they have been (only partly) shown as flashbacks in episode 1 and episode 2. I hope they get an episode each, but I may be wrong. Episode 2 and 3 are mainly (episode 2 98% and episode 3 100%) extra content, focusing on how Violet becomes a doll. Hopefully the next episode starts on her adventures, which is the biggest part of the novel. As for how well they have adapted the novel, that's something else. First things first, everyone knows that a lot of the dialogue from the novel is reduced in the anime adaptation. Here's the other differences between the anime and novel so far, but I have no choice to include some spoilers. Don't worry, they're not big spoilers. Imagine if they just went more or less exactly how the novel went without that background....most of us would've been lost, imo....I would've sure had my preliminary doubts confirmed if they left that bit out. So we really have to appreciate what this series Violet Evergarden achieved as an adaptation without just complaining about it being simply just KyoAni visual showcase or bait or something or the sort. I'll be real about this....the majority of people I see that didn't appreciate this series...are not grateful about anime in general (I mean, it's not supposed to be all about that shounen, action, non-episodic formats or whatever the sort) |
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Prim said: I personally like it, though people who want to hear characters talk with their fists with several fight scenes per episode may find themselves disappointed. But no clue why such people would be watching this, it's listed as "drama", not "action". well people tend to be ignorant nowadays :P |
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| I heard that the earlier episodes were anime original, that's why it's boring and seem out of place. It gets better after that. If you like this anime or find this anime a bit boring, try Letter Bee. Both have similiar premise but Letter Bee executed it better. |
| Dropped it on 6th episode because it seems random, cliched and boring. This show forces you to feel sad with using cheap methods. Overdose of unnecessary drama. Dramatic music every moment, even when it is not needed. Random cliched stories, with lots of tears and silly drama fanservice. So-called soulless doll bites toy's ear for no reason, kisses a brooch, puts her glove off with her mouth. what a pathetic fanservice. Having no feelings but somehow being obsessed by Major and treasuring the brooch he presented her. Having read lots of books and having a great capabality to analyze, still can't understand the meaning of phrase "I love you". It's so primitive |
Nemo_NiemandAug 11, 2018 6:42 AM
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| [quote=HaXXspetten message=53829618]Well as with most KyoAni shows in recent years it sure looks pretty but I'm not impressed by the actual story of it So far I'd just describe the show as Autistic Saber Learns to Use the Typewriter And no, that's not really a compliment[quote] Give this person a day of immortal thread. It's sort of what I feel when I read synopsis. I voted other people would find it interesting though. Some people like chill saber :p |
| I don't think that the anime itself is bad but I find it boring. I can't understand how this is top 100. |
| It's more of an emotional anime, not an action or a drama necessarily. I guess there is drama and action in it but it's not the focus. It had a slow start as we get to see Violet and some of the other characters, but they actually all have character growth. Each episode kind of follows Violet and how she changes and how others are also affected by her presence. She becomes less 'robotic' or 'order-driven soldier' into a human and she learns about emotions. That's LITERALLY the entire premise of the show, if you're not into a show about emotions and development then don't even watch... This anime is really nice, especially once the story picks up I'd say around ep7 when the most emotional stories begin. But the early eps are all about how people start shaping her emotional understanding, and by ep7 she can fully feel emotions and empathy. And by ep8 she is reflecting back on her past actions as a soldier and going through survivor's guilt. I can agree it had a slow start but it wasn't boring to me, it was pleasant especially because there was so much to admire on the screen and through the music (if the art had been of lower quality I probably wouldn't have made it past 1 or 2 eps...) |
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